Ticket Scalping: Fuzzy give the promoter's point of view

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As the debate on scalping rages on, ITM gets the promoter’s perspective from one of Australia’s biggest; John Wall at Fuzzy.

One of the biggest issues in clubland these days is scalping. Or is it? Depends who you ask, certainly every time a big event sells out fast, tickets immediately appear on eBay at up to 3 or 4 times their face value. Events like Big Day Out, Field Day and Splendour In The Grass have been selling out faster than ever before, leaving many prospective customers without tickets. Some get angry and many blame scalpers for “buying up all the tickets”, thereby depriving genuine buyers of tickets at the original price. Others just think it’s wrong for someone to resell something at a higher price – basically being a ‘parasite’. Some think it’s a free market and just as someone can buy a painting and sell it later for more than the artist got, the same should go for anything else. If someone is willing to pay then who cares?

As a promoter, the advent of eBay has meant that scalpers – previously a ubiquitous but relatively insignificant presence around the entrance to events – have become much more visible, and therefore have angered customers, who in turn demand that something be done to stop scalping. We, of course, have looked closely at the issue and follow how many tickets change hands on eBay. For Fuzzy events in the past they haven’t made up a big proportion of the total capacity, the most being around 500 tickets for a 25,000 person capacity event. Even if there are 4 times as many tickets changing hands as we’re able to keep track of, this is still less than 10% of the capacity.

Today on eBay there are 147 people selling Field Day tickets. Most say they have one or two, but if even if the average was 10 each, that’s still only 5.9% of the entire capacity – about the same size as the free guestlist. Scalping isn’t what makes these events sell out fast – it’s the increase in demand from real customers – it’s why there are more and bigger events on – and, unlike 5 years ago, most people now have a fast internet connection and are happy to buy things online. Even when Splendour In The Grass introduced a rule that tickets had to have the purchaser’s name and date of birth so it couldn’t be transferred, the festival still sold out in a flash.

The thing is, of course, no matter how many times we tell people “scalpers didn’t buy all, or most, or even a big percentage of the tickets”, no-one will believe it. They don’t care about the statistics, it’s the principle of the matter. What really makes people upset about scalping is that others are profiting from the misery (or at least, the disappointment) of others. Scalping makes us angry as event organisers because it introduces a lot of negative feelings around our events, even though we put in a huge effort to try to make them a positive experience from start to finish.

We’re about to introduce a new system which should make it very hard to resell tickets. The trick is to make it hard for scalpers but easy for real customers. When you buy the tickets you’ll put in your name and date of birth, then we’ll send you an email with a barcode. You print it out and bring it to the party, along with your photo ID. You’ll be able to bring in a few friends with you, or you can put in the name and DOB of each person so they can come in separately. It’ll also be possible to make changes online (up to a point), so you’re not stuck with a ticket if you can’t come. There’ll also be a limit, so serial ticket transferrers will be barred from making changes.

This will make it easy for you, but hard for scalpers, as they’ll be trying to sell a printout with “THIS TICKET CAN BE CANCELLED AT ANY TIME BY THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER” in big letters across the top! If they keep buying tickets then changing the name, they’ll be banned from the system. We could go further and insist on everyone’s name and date of birth and never allow changes, but then we’d be making life harder for the 95% of people who are just buying tickets for themselves.

Hopefully that’ll make everyone happier… well, except would-be scalpers.

Nobody has hearted this, be the first Be the first!

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M_adz

M_adz said on the 10th Oct, 2007

so there won't be any tickets, just barcodes?

filou

filou said on the 10th Oct, 2007

good idea but aren't you a bit late for field day, your biggest party of the year?

patrout

patrout said on the 11th Oct, 2007

I agree that scalpers have been around since day one, but I think due to these events selling out in record times, alot of people are just turning to the first excuse for this, SCALPERS, but in reality electronic music is becoming more mainstream, techno

phillis

phillis said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Sounds Like a very sensible suggestion! It will allow real festval lovers to buy tickets and sort out who needs to go without being a pain like moshticks where everone has to go in together!!

turftalk

turftalk said on the 11th Oct, 2007

I will be attending field day 08, i am glad that i did get tickets and dont have to buy them off some ebayer. It really suxs when you missed out because some scalper bought them up for resell and you end up having to pay double the amount. Good work!

djaudiophile

djaudiophile said on the 11th Oct, 2007

cool idea, too bad for those who like to keep the ticket stubs as a momento, you can now start a barcode collection! lol

Spekman

Spekman said on the 11th Oct, 2007

i dont see why ppl dont organise to meet a scalper and then go to meet him with a bunch of mates, beat the crap out of him and take all his tickets...

alchops

alchops said on the 11th Oct, 2007

they haven't let you keep stubs in ages!

Abbie Hamilton

Abbie Hamilton said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Well i am one who missed out, and i am very angry at it. I was online just like everybody else since 9am on tuesday for field day tickets, and missed out. I am buying tickets for myself and 4 friends who are currently in iraq and have been there for the p

erinfellows

erinfellows said on the 11th Oct, 2007

it does sound ike a sensible and it probably is the most logical suggestion but if security is checking the name and birthday of every person of the 40,000 people who walk through those gates, wont the lines be incredibly massive? i dont know about you,

MoRpH

MoRpH said on the 11th Oct, 2007

This is excellent news for punters.

hairyson

hairyson said on the 11th Oct, 2007

One issue I often see is that all the tickets for an event go on sale at once, for all 'seating' options. So, on the day of release of tickets, there's a massive rush to the box office, people can't get through on the phone, or the web system freezes (an

Lee Michaels

Lee Michaels said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Why not mandate that tickets can't be resold? And for the few legitimate people that require a refund, it is done so with a penalty (so promoters cover administrative costs) or there is no penalty and the promoter re-sells at a premium. It's only a small

qsnoop

qsnoop said on the 11th Oct, 2007

I think these changes are great. However one of the major problems with buying tickets seems to be that often the suppliers website crashes or slows to a snails pace (harbourlife this year). Come on guys its not like you werent expecting huge demand in th

FLUROBLOWS

FLUROBLOWS said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Sounds good, but its a little late for me, I was soooo hoping to go to Harbourlife before i move overseas on the 26th of november for a year and HArbourlife was going to be my Big Send off. Is there going to be a second release or anything?

marianakules

marianakules said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Well thank god something's being done, because me and about five girlfriends missed out on tickets this year and were there every year, so now of course we have to buy them off ebay or try to get them off someone else. I just think it's pretty lame that t

Kerri Jones

Kerri Jones said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Perhaps all festivals should be run over a few days.....I know in the UK a lot of festivals are 2 or 3 day festivals. The event organiser would make a shit load more money as they already have the venue in place, stages set, staffing etc therefore all tic

Nicolette

Nicolette said on the 11th Oct, 2007

I agree that scalping needs to be addressed, just in the past week i realised that i could not make it to harbourlife, So i rang moshtix. and asked if i could return the tickets in hoping that they could re-release them and i would pay a percentage cancel

DJ_LG

DJ_LG said on the 11th Oct, 2007

Bit slow aren't you? Sound Alliance already do this(name on ticket) for transmission and inthemix events. Catch up

austrance

austrance said on the 11th Oct, 2007

well said The bottom line is these events are selling out quicker than ever because they're becoming more popular and mainstream, simple!

ronotron

ronotron said on the 11th Oct, 2007

nice to see that there are attempts to stop the number of scalpers.... Although the math in this article isnt exactly accurate... Whilst the tix on ebay today may only represent just over 5 % they will be largely sold within the next few days, one guy is

babbibelle

babbibelle said on the 11th Oct, 2007

It's about time something's been done but seriously? walk in

photoKat

photoKat said on the 12th Oct, 2007

Thankfully i got tickets this year and it will be my first Field Day, yey! however i know some guys who tried to sell a ticket last year on the day for about double ....but all they could get was approx the price they paid for it.

shua2k

shua2k said on the 12th Oct, 2007

While I hear the angst of a lot writers here, I don't really understand or have much compassion for people who miss out on tickets and then blame the scalpers. Yes, they take a small percentage of tickets away from genuine festival goers, and there are ar

bobshled

bobshled said on the 12th Oct, 2007

I;m trying to understand what you said about "you can bring a few friends with you", does this mean that there is no 'set' capacity for an event as you can bring an indeterminant (I'm guessing max 3.) amount of people with you on the day? This sounds cool

Ken Knott

Ken Knott said on the 12th Oct, 2007

This is a positive and welcome initiative by Fuzzy I think that names should be printed on every festival ticket. To all those who say if you miss out you should get your tickets quicker, I disagree. On Tuesday night/Wednesday morning I tried to buy

Lee Michaels

Lee Michaels said on the 12th Oct, 2007

FOR ALL THOSE UPSET AT MISSING OUT. I have heard of dummy bids on EBAY for $1million for a ticket (Summerdayze 2006). So if revenge is your motive....

samwiseb

samwiseb said on the 12th Oct, 2007

Nice work Fuzzy. Hopefully everyone else follows suit. It's really not that hard to implement a system like this.

politik

politik said on the 12th Oct, 2007

John Wall has obviously never taken an Economics course. The only way to combat this issue, is to hold a dynamic auction for tickets. This way, demand is met at equilibrium, and most of the fans will get tickets (at the very least, they won't sell out in

Geezah

Geezah said on the 12th Oct, 2007

I've said it before and I'll say it again, scalpers are scum, but I have intermittently kept an eye out on festivals in both Australia and abroad, and it does seem that these events, both rock and electronica, are selling out with ever increasing alacrity

skour

skour said on the 12th Oct, 2007

i don't really like the idea. i'm not a scalper myself but from my experience, the people that purchase the tickets off scalpers are usually die hard fans because they are the only ones who will pay that price. i'm not saying that die hard fans should pay

jimihendrix

jimihendrix said on the 13th Oct, 2007

I'm of the opinion that half of the people on this forum are fuzzy promoters creating fake aliases and posting on the forum. Fuzzy makes an absolute killing off these festivals only to pay some of the artists as little as $200 to play a show. I mean think

SneakySundaySlut

SneakySundaySlut said on the 13th Oct, 2007

At first I blamed scalpers.. But after field day sold out so fast, I decided to blame the obvious: house/electro becoming pop culture and really the biggest thing around for australian youth. And that's just it! I guarantee the average age of a fuzzy even

macky

macky said on the 13th Oct, 2007

sound like a great system and i reckon itll work, i missed out on a tiket to field day myself and not willing to pay a scalper 4 one.

phillis

phillis said on the 13th Oct, 2007

Fact: Festivals don't sell out in hours because of scalpers!! Fact: Festivals sell out because more people want to go to them I have missed out on Splendor and falls tickets this year, and yes I was pissed on missing out, but I didn't blame scalpers!

DJ MooseKnuckle

DJ MooseKnuckle said on the 13th Oct, 2007

Are we going to have ID scanners as well??? why the hell not?

hyeyeon

hyeyeon said on the 13th Oct, 2007

Good idea, I was deverstated that I missed out on field day. hopefully fuzzy will do a second release. and it made me more dissappointed when I heard afew friends of friends had managed to buy 10 tickets and were reselling them on ebay. I know alot of eff

bwise

bwise said on the 14th Oct, 2007

Sounds like the biggest load of shit ever. I can't be bothered printing out a fucking barcode. You said that ticket scalpers only take a small percentage of the tickets... so why implement this retarded system? Lucky Fuzzy Festivals are shit.

exceeder

exceeder said on the 14th Oct, 2007

they didn't take into account that 5% of tickets had gone on ebay just DAYS after they sold out. Add it all up at the end of the year and i'm sure there will be a lot more scalped tickets than they are letting on.

j3sse

j3sse said on the 16th Oct, 2007

ummm people. i think there are customers that are happy to pay the premium to get their tickets from scalpers. that is why the scalpers do it in the first place. the price that they will pay the scalpers is what they think is worth it, and what the scalpe

sonofmurchy

sonofmurchy said on the 16th Oct, 2007

dont buy tickets from scalpers...there wont be a market for them anymore...no more scalping... sick of hearing people who whinge cause they weren't there is the first 25secs to get a ticket before a scalper, if people actually hated scalping so much then

adzieinthahouse

adzieinthahouse said on the 24th Dec, 2007

scaipers suck dam straight, decembeer and january in australia though are the best place on earth an events like big day out , feild day etc are just going to get bigger an always sell out if they where selling tix in july i'd buy regardless of the lineup