Dance will eat itself

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If you’ve turned on a radio, checked out Video Hits, hit up a club or been anywhere near the internet recently then you’d know that dance music is a big tent once more. Dance music has invaded popular culture, with big dance band and DJ lineups dominating festivals around Australia and the world and producers of every niche – from Tiesto to Rusko and Calvin Harris – have pop artists, rappers and rockers on speed-dial. DJs are certified stars. And dance music is one big party with everyone on the guestlist.

Because of that, everybody wants a piece of the clubbing pie. And whilst that can be a good thing in terms of exposure and revenue for artists, the bigger the bubble gets, the more obvious the flaws become. When Justice broke it big their sound became the sound and every producer looking to capitalise on the fad did so, leaping onto the band wagon and diluting it destructively. With dance music as a whole now venturing into some clear commercial waters, we’re at another tipping point where the same thing is happening again and it seems as though one good idea is the only good idea around, and everybody is going to ride that idea into the dirt. The point of running this feature is to foster some discussion on the current climate of dance music and the potentially rocky weather ahead. To start us off, we’re going to focus on what could be the most talked about songs of 2010.

Arguably one of the biggest – and most surprising – club hits to crossover to mainstream acclaim this year has been We No Speak Americano from Sydney producers Yolanda Be Cool collaborating with synth-whiz DCUP. While the tune owes more than a little bit of inspiration to Riva Starr’s scene-starting gypsy house jam I Was Drunk, its success has been a Cinderella story of sorts for the local producers who not only found chart glory at home – with the single climbing to #4 on the singles chart – but also abroad with Americano hitting the number one spot in countries as far off as the UK, Finland, Slovakia and Germany.

Instead of letting We No Speak Americano rest on its own as a lightning-in-a-bottle moment for Australian dance music and its creators, the biters have come out of the woodwork, ready to ride Americano’s already tattered coat-tails. Who’s first out of the blocks? That’d be KCB and Timmy Trumpet with their tune Tromba Ye Ye Ye.

It’s difficult to critique something like Tromba Ye Ye Ye without coming off as disrespectful to the producers behind the tune who’ve earned their stripes on the Australian circuit over the years, but this is unquestionably an insipid and obvious clone of Americano, fabricated with transparent speed and soullessness so as to cash-in on that original tune’s success and hopefully get a few downloads from blinkered kids that’ve worn out their copies of Americano by now. From the rinky-dink foreign language sample, to the cut-up horns and bouncing beat it’s a copy, and a sadly cheap one at that. And it inexplicably has a Daft Punk font attached to it…

Perhaps that assessment is a bit harsh because it is honestly hard to blame anyone for wanting to ride the wave and grab some of the spotlight cast by Americano’s success. Indeed, the song ballooned to another stratosphere altogether last week when prime-time Latino rapper Pitbull jacked the Alvaro remix for a rhinestone-embossed and typically Pitbull track called Bon, Bon.

This is somewhat murky territory now as the jury is still out on the current trend of rap/pop/dance crossovers, with many readers here on ITM raging against the widespread thrust of dance music into the mainstream. I’d put across an argument that it’s always good to see dance artists make a buck and get more fans in the process. Besides, hooking up with Pitbull isn’t the same thing as Carl Craig making tunes for Jordin Sparks. Not yet anyway. But the real problem here is that We No Speak Americano isn’t even cold yet and still its being wrung dry for any final bead of charisma, showing that the commercial side of dance music is seemingly stuck in an endless loop of making something big and then breaking it down into the ground, and alarmingly, it’s happening increasingly faster with every shallow cycle.

I guess the crux of it all is to do with originality in commercial dance music and where that ends when radio play and chart figures come into view. The current king of the mainstream is of course David Guetta who’s thrown integrity to the wind with his domination of dance-pop that’s seen the French house producer apply his beats to stars like Kelis, The Black Eyed Peas and up next, Madonna. And good on him for doing that because it was bound to happen eventually, Guetta was just the one to do it with enough brains and at the right time. While Guetta has publicly excused himself from an underground backlash by knowingly stating he’s “aiming to be incredible” as opposed to credible, that doesn’t excuse him from flooding his self-cultivated market with dire re-treads of the same sound – when will someone realise that Club Can’t Handle Me and I Gotta Feeling are the same song?! The most telling example of what I’m talking about, and indeed the one that has got the smiling Frenchman into some hot water recently, is his track 50 Degrees, a rather blatant rip of One (Your Name) ft. Pharrell by DJ buddies Swedish House Mafia. Judge ‘em side-by-side in the clips below.

Again, that’s a pretty indisputable duplication of an already big tune coming in remarkable speed from Guetta and it’s indicative of the limp that’s tripping up dance music right now. If someone like David Guetta, who’s one of the most recognisable DJs on the planet at the minute, can’t muster up the energy to escape this all consuming cycle that commercial dance is following then the bubble will burst. Simple as that.

Speaking of Swedish House Mafia, those dudes can’t feel too raw about Guetta’s beat cribbing as not only does One share some curious similarities to Avicii’s Ryu, but one third of the group, Steve Angello, has come under fire recently for his tune Knas.

Released back in June, Knas hit #1 on Beatport with ease, another club-ready bomb from the mighty Swede. Problem was, however, that the tune wasn’t as ‘creative’ as you’d expect from a favoured producer like Angello. Indeed, some incensed producers took on Angello, slamming the Swede for using an Ableton sample pack and publicly shaming him on the internet. Here’s the original version and a video recreating almost every sound and detail of Knas in a seven minute Ableton session like the one below.

“Everyone can sample,” the Swedish House Mafia maestro said, responding to the backlash on Twitter. “Its about finding the sample, how you use the sample, how you produce the track. Look at every single hip hop track from gang starr , kanye west , jay z , to anyone u can name. They always sample but makes a hit out of it .. Look at daft punk, even prodigy & chemical brothers. Its easy to judge after the sample is discovered. Be the first to use it or stop judging [sic].”

Angello makes a fair point, but when viewed against the video recreation above, it’s hard to put him alongside someone like Kanye West or DJ Premier in terms of creatively manipulating a sample.

The bleak reality of all this is that somehow recycling and retreading has become the norm and we’re not blinking an eye when a scene, a sound or the spark of a trend is ignited and subsequently pulled apart by hungry DJs declaring ‘me too’ and jumping on it with all their weight. Just as a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy (and so on) gradually diminishes in quality every time it gets scanned and copied again so does dance music lose its potency and authenticity as good ideas get hit with some Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V action. Where will it end? Because if ‘dance’ is indeed the new ‘pop’ like the industry is prophesising, then dance will eat itself. And right now it looks like there’s a lot of fat on those bones.

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Dexter Ramone

Dexter Ramone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Good read once again. I'd love to hear a Timmy Trumpet rebuttal.

beyondandabove

beyondandabove said on the 1st Sep, 2010

That David Guetta one is an absolute disgrace! I can't believe that!! If you were fucked up enough at a gig and heard that you'd think it was a remix of "one"!

kone

kone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

pretty sure there's ALOT of average as shit techno producers and djs out there. its everywhere. always gotta dig deeper for the good stuff

kone

kone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

pretty sure there's ALOT of average as shit techno producers and djs out there. its everywhere. always gotta dig deeper for the good stuff

i_have_ADD

i_have_ADD said on the 1st Sep, 2010

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? those examples are quite startling. another great read ITM editors!

i_have_ADD

i_have_ADD said on the 1st Sep, 2010

"that's why we have techno" i dont think any genre (or sub genre) of music is excluded from the arguments raised in the feature above...

kone

kone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

damn you double post!

dry_air

dry_air said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Don't even get me started! Nothing is really original though, but these blatant rip offs have no merit what so ever. If it wasn't for the Black Eyed Peas

oc_dancermaholic

oc_dancermaholic said on the 1st Sep, 2010

awesome read!
A bit harsh on timmy however, he's been americano-ing songs long before it was americano-ing. he just seemed to miss the mainstream boat.
Daivd Guetta just angers me. And Pitbull even more so!

daverh

daverh said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Nothing against Timmy, very solid dude and good in his wheelhouse. I'll have to check out some other Americano'd tunes you mention, but the proximity of Americano and Tromba Ye Ye Ye is just too close to not notice.

dn-ul

dn-ul said on the 1st Sep, 2010

good read especially like "Angello makes a fair point, but when viewed against the video recreation above, it’s hard to put him alongside someone like Kanye West or DJ Premier in terms of creatively manipulating a sample."

daveyac8881

daveyac8881 said on the 1st Sep, 2010

That Pitbull song makes me want to cry

Junior

Junior said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Awesome read! Keep it up Daverh!

chimby

chimby said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Luckily Techno is too boring for all these monkeys, it will stay sacred.

SlicyDicer

SlicyDicer said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Great read, stick to listening to good original tunes and ignoring the crap that is flooding beatport and your life is much simpler.

Goes for making songs too, find record labels pushing good original music and ignore the rest, it's like advertising, if you ignore it. it's like it never existed.

SlicyDicer

SlicyDicer said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Also fucking hilarious picture at the top

pentaxl

pentaxl said on the 1st Sep, 2010

That's 12 limbs for shuffling! Shufflepede!

pentaxl

pentaxl said on the 1st Sep, 2010

That's 12 limbs for shuffling! Shufflepede!

saad

saad said on the 1st Sep, 2010

great article. I dont have a problem with Angello using a sample liek that - no one else did it first, so why cant he? Just cos he made somethign that sold a lot.

Timmy Trumpets and KCB;s track is just a plain ripoff pure and simple. And Guetta, a sellout he may be, but he does have skills. But that track, wow, seriously.

Scamology

Scamology said on the 1st Sep, 2010

how bout that seedy pic at the top of the article gets fucked off

ProjectwJs

ProjectwJs said on the 1st Sep, 2010

hmm, could this signify a revamp on overpriced music festivals. i dunno, would people be more excited to see the dj or the vocalist.??

all i know is the scene is offically f**ked, even more so like the human centipede

m_xt

m_xt said on the 1st Sep, 2010

can not stand timmy trumpet, he used to play at nth gong on sundays and the crowd would move to the outskirts of the beer garden to get away from him. I like how itm is writing articles like this to pretend it has credebility. I saw a facebook update from itm today advertising sony erricson phones? Advertising decides content and itm is going the same way as the rest of dance music. But yeh as said earlier at least techno is too boring to become commercial lol.

harlsom

harlsom said on the 1st Sep, 2010

DOWN WITH THE MORON MAJORITY CUZ I WANNA BE THE MINORITY

moovin_on_UP

moovin_on_UP said on the 1st Sep, 2010

@m xt - oi, Spud Muffin, advertising $$'s pay for sites like these so that muppets like yourself can trawl them but still ignore the fact that they're bringing you decent info about the art-form you like - if you didn't want the 'advertised' phone, by all means ignore the adverts, go and finger your iPhone in the back of a club and don't bother contributing to an article which happens to be very well written and brings up some extremely good points. Advertising doesn't 'decide content', it pays for it, massive difference. When you go to a festival, Smirnoff haven't influenced the lineup, Agwa doesn't influence the way a night is run if they sponsor a tropical club night, they just simply align their product with consumers who may find an interest in it. If you don't like the product, you ignore it - that's why we were supplied with this thing called 'thinking for yourself'
@ The Article in general: great article, it is a major problem and producers are getting lazy when it comes to finding new styles. Sampling is fine, but use it creatively. Steve's approach to it was lazy, and in this case successful. Hip Hop sampling such as Jay Z where they take an instrumental and then just add a beat and maybe a vocal hook is what it is meant to be, raw - while something such as The Prodigy using 6 different samples for 'Smack My Bitch Up' and then transforming them and tweaking them is what it is - complex. (p.s want to see how its made, watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI )
Everything goes around in circles from fashion to music, but its all about the ride and once that loopty-loop comes back around and there's a rock on the track, then and only then will we feel the pain of what that coaster can do... In other words, people will come crawling back to good music, great grooves and also as 'kone' mentioned, just dig deeper - seriously, there are some funky juices at the bottom of the bin, you just gotta sift through the garbage...

moovin_on_UP

moovin_on_UP said on the 1st Sep, 2010

P.s The image at the top of the page is a sketch from the new movie coming out called "Human Centipede" - really f%^

Kit Phillips

Kit Phillips said on the 1st Sep, 2010

1/ timmy trumpet won't find the magic he's looking for in an "ableton plugin" because there's no such thing as an "ableton plugin". There are only VSTs, which plugin to any host. I'm not even aware that timmy trumpet USES ableton at all.

2/ Steve Angello didn't use an "ableton loop" to make that horrible parody of a track, it was a vengeance loop, and he put the loop in logic, because he uses LOGIC NOT ableton.

Sorry to be pedantic, but I use ableton and don't want to be lumped in with these "producers". I actually thought this was a good article, and highlights how generic and derivative dance music is getting, its nothing new but it seems to be getting worse, and all the kids who are getting into it and think that they've discovered something new and amazing need to be made aware of who the original innovaters were so that they can get their due respect and maybe even make some record sales.

Wowk

Wowk said on the 1st Sep, 2010

I don't know why people are getting their undies in a wad over this...it happened in the 90s as well with the whole euro dance thing and everyone sounding like La Bouche, and dance music has done just fine since then.

AdamZae

AdamZae said on the 1st Sep, 2010

This was a terrible article once again reaffirming my opinion of ITM's sliding editorial standards.

When did this website become the go-to source for Hatorade?

Way to further alienate most of the clubbing population who like all this music.

End of the day, worldwide music trends come in and out as quick as fashion trends, this is reflected int he most popular music in all spheres, even dance. Oh no! someone made a track the same genre as another track! The world is ruined.

I had a better idea. How about you do something original in your journalism by not desparately grabbing for sensational topics and headlines ('What's wrong with clubbing in Australia', anyone?) and express some sentiments that haven't been as rehashed as the tracks you're bitching about in this trite garbage waste of my time article.

Genres grow when producers tread in well worn footsteps.

I just think someone's mad cause nobody gave him a medal for hearing Americano before it was on radio.

Awww.

RunningWithScissors

RunningWithScissors said on the 1st Sep, 2010

so genuine investigative pieces are bad editorial, and ITM would be better if they lifted all their news articles from Ministry Of Sound press releases like certain other outlets do???

daverh ownz

Henry Johnstone

Henry Johnstone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

I have to agree with Wowk here - all this stuff will come and go and dance music will keep on keeping on just as it always has. Though the funny thing is, I actually think that the commercial 90s stuff like La Bouche, Corona, Snap! etc still had far more credibility and currency than any of the music in this article.

chenzo

chenzo said on the 1st Sep, 2010

If you're a true dance fan skip listening to the radio and stay away from anything with the word pop attached (or david guetta..jokes...but seriously!), problem solved!

All in all fantastic read, as long as the die hards support REAL dance all the fads and copycats will melt away....hopefully!

AdamZae

AdamZae said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Yeah I could do without the rampant editorialising though. This is an opinion piece posing as journalism.

ITM used to be more than a hateblog.

altime

altime said on the 1st Sep, 2010

the picture is from the movie "human centipede". crazy guy kidnaps three people and sews them together mouth to anus also joining their esophagus and rectum forming a human centipede so when one defecates, it passes through the next mouth, into that body and out the other end. good stuff.

Henry Johnstone

Henry Johnstone said on the 1st Sep, 2010

@ AdamZae. Since when were editorial pieces not considered journalism? Pick up the Herald and you'll find a big double spread titled 'Opinion'. Haha...big double spread. Sorry.

earth_pplz

earth_pplz said on the 1st Sep, 2010

over the we love sounds weekend Seth roxler did an interview with james taylor on fbi on the friday night and summed up the over commercialisation of sance music really well, suggesting something along the lines of although its crap music that the 'club' scene never want to listen to, at least its meaning people who'd never touch dance music are getting introduced to it in a way that might open to their eyes to dance.....

if only these sorts of songs would stay on the radio for the mainstream kids, and let the clubs stay fresh

xtigga

xtigga said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Lols at Human Centipede for the article picture

daverh

daverh said on the 1st Sep, 2010

I hope this hasn't come across as simply a 'hate' piece because that's not what it was meant for. It was rather meant to highlight an issue that I feel pretty passionate about. And I'm of the school of thought that there's no problem for dance music being big as people will hopefully hear all this stuff and then dig deeper, as others have put it. The problem I see is that those people on the periphery won't bother looking beyond the surface if they think that it's all the same over and over again.

redz81

redz81 said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Great Article. All of this was bound to happen, it occurs in every broad genre of music. Look what happened when Metallica released their Black album, the cash in on "Heavy" metal was enormous. Eventually the masses will move on. I hope.

JackT

JackT said on the 1st Sep, 2010

Hey AdamZae, as daverh said, these editorial pieces aren't designed to be hate-mongering. We hope they bring another dimension to editorial on inthemix, and there are several features a week that celebrate dance music. With the 'what's gone wrong with our clubs?' feature you mentioned, we wanted to centralise discussion around that and also draw on the opinions of people in the industry, as it would've seemed strange for inthemix not to acknowledge certain things happening in the scene. We felt that topic was anything but trite, and as I said as keen lovers of dance music, we hope there's a lot on inthemix that's celebrating it, not hating on it.

mjm_fm

mjm_fm said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

If journalism or in the case, social commentary, was all sunshine and lollypops, a) we would just be reading press releases all day long and b) we would never be forced to reflect on our society and consider what needs changing. The world isn’t a perfect place AdamZae, but the only way things will ever evolve is if we are able to take a critical look at what’s going on around us.

tylerj23

tylerj23 said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

Great article, very interesting read. Sometimes people don't even notice these things but pointing them out certainly makes it quite clear. THere is occasions when you hear a song - you instantly like it but you don't know why... 9 times out of 10 its because they've reused samples or notes from another big song.

Ruskhouse

Ruskhouse said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

hahhaa human centipede.

AdamZae

AdamZae said on the 2nd Sep, 2010



Yeah that's the one. What's gone wrong with our clubs. Mate it to me sounded like a chance for a bunch of jaded old guys to do some spin doctoring.

My original comment reads a lot angrier than I intended it and a lot more sarky but honestly I still disagree with the core assertion that all the copycatting is even the sllightest bit negative. What are the odds that anyone on the periphery who thinks all dance music sounds the same would actually like another genre of dance music than what's currently on the radio? Pretty low, IMO.

In fact without this force there would always be the exact same amounts of every genre always being produced by the same producers, rarely innovating until the retired and somebody took their place. The music trends that define eras in modern human history would never have happened. the disco explosion of the 70s, gangsta rap or grunge in the 90s, electro (both times). In fact this phenomenon has macro and micro genre effects. We owe the existence of rock'n'roll today to it. Imagine if everyone back when my dad was a baby who heard a rock'n'roll song thought "Now that someone's done that, there's no need to emulate it." Preposterous. Some of the best acts from all these revolutions were not the ones that came first but the ones that started when people tried to ride the wave. (Beatles anyone?)

Props for diggin up some tunes that sound the same and all, but @daverh the language is very haty for a non-hate-piece.

jacknife

jacknife said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

theres a story here kids, never trust a man who blows his own trumpet on the regular and that greasy swedish producers can not be trusted except to operate a butter churn....

SteveFrank

SteveFrank said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

There's a few holes in your article, and it just seems like just another disgruntled 'underground' DJ/producer whinging, yet again, about the masses liking 'overground', accessible, catchy, fun music. The majority don't take music that seriously, so deal with it.

1) Taking nothing away from Yolanda Be Cool and D-Cup, big fan of theirs. "We No Speak Americano" is a rip off of another song: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqlJwMFtMCs). It's just an update.

2) KCB and Timmy Trumpet's song is 100% original, including the vocal. At least it's not just an 'update'. Do your research.

3) Steve Angello wrote a great track on Logic. Who cares if there's an Ableton shortcut?

Guetta and Pitbull don't have much time left in the dance industry, if any. Let them run off to the urban market.

JulesPLees

JulesPLees said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

the funny bit is that inthemix is one of the greatest advocate/promoters for this dance music that will eat itself - which it wont - itll probably benefit from this boom.

its pretty much what wowk said - we are living in 1993 dance wise except we havent had a 2nd summer of love yet and its no where near as enjoyable the 2nd time around.

i do find it funny that in one article dance music is struggling and festivals are killing the wscene and then in another article dance music is thriving and booming - im cofnused?

daverh

daverh said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

Well obviously nothing is completely black and white dude.

JulesPLees

JulesPLees said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

i know man - i just need to find something to be faceitous about lol.

im just at the point where i totally ignore this poo - in a way its good that this article is up on the fron t page of itm - but yeah i gave up a little while back really caring about it - its more fun to find/make/mix/dance to the stuff you really like than lamenting on the gack.

but yeah i did like the read :-)

PS ive seen the human centipede - the middle is the worst!

mjm_fm

mjm_fm said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

"You say that everything sounds the same, then you go buy them. There's no excuses my friend, let's push things forward"

touki

touki said on the 2nd Sep, 2010

cmon all 'techno' sounds the same. its doof doof doof

SlicyDicer

SlicyDicer said on the 3rd Sep, 2010

All music is the same it's just "noise note voice"

jacknife

jacknife said on the 3rd Sep, 2010

@steve frank...."the majority don't take music that seriously" thats the comment that sums up everything wrong with peoples attitudes, maybe if everyone gave a shit about what they were putting out and what they choose to listen too we wouldn't need to have articles like this or have to listen to trumpet man timmy and his shitty entourage!

misslea

misslea said on the 4th Sep, 2010

the picture rocks, anyone seen THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE ! ? ahaha
man i knew those guys were lame but that steve angello video is ridiculous

e_j_montano

e_j_montano said on the 4th Sep, 2010

I have to agree with AdamZae, I think this article misses the point somewhat. There's nothing new about dance music being part of the mainstream, just look to the explosion of disco in the late 70s or acid house in the late 80s, and whenever anything is in the mainstream it becomes subject to this kind of lame and unfair criticism (e.g. the “Disco Sucks” campaign in the US in the late 70s). This kind of critique of commercial music has existed ever since the days of Tin Pan Alley in the US in the early 1900s, with critics dismissing popular music as overly-simplistic, vacuous and cultural worthless. In addition, criticising these tracks for their imitation shows a lack of wider perspective. As AdamZae correctly points out, some of the so-called ‘pioneers’ of popular music imitated everything that had come before them. Elvis Presley’s ‘Hound Dog’ was a cover version; Led Zeppelin liberally borrowed major parts of numerous African-American blues songs on their early albums (getting sued for copyright infringement in the process); and the Beatles covered several songs on their early albums. No musician or producer creates in a vacuum, and sometimes influences are just a bit more obvious.

I think this article is guilty of perpetuating that lazy division between ‘commercial=crap’ and ‘underground=authentic/original’, and surely ITM should be promoting a more balanced perspective? What about the people who read ITM and actually like this music? Is it right to be denigrating their tastes? Surely that is biting the hand that feeds. I’m just as comfortable listening to a Balance mix as I am a Ministry of Sound CD, so should I feel offended at this seeming dismissal of commercial dance music? ITM should be taking a more inclusive approach, because ultimately we are all sailing on the same EDM boat.

To suggest that the music highlighted somehow represents a decline in standards and signals “rocky weather ahead” is just ridiculous. There has always been imitation in dance music, and people will continue to exploit the latest sound, but that doesn’t make that music any worse. I think people need to be less precious about this. Dance music in the mainstream is a great thing. Sure, everyone has their likes and dislikes, and the disagreements that arise from these are what make music such a vibrant topic of discussion, but knocking something for its commerciality is a cheap shot. And ‘dance’ as the new ‘pop’? Dance music has been pop for years. And if there is a bubble to burst, then that’s no big deal. It happened earlier in the decade with the collapse of superclubs and the whole superstar DJ phenomenon. Popular music runs in cycles.

Also, to suggest that ‘people on the periphery’ will somehow be alienated by the similarity of this music is ridiculous. That’s like saying people who hear Bon Jovi and Matchbox Twenty on the radio won’t bother exploring other areas of rock music. People will investigate further if they wish. I realise the intention of this piece was to stimulate debate, but I think this debate can be initiated in a more objective and balanced, and less prejudiced and blinkered, manner.

Henry Johnstone

Henry Johnstone said on the 5th Sep, 2010

@ejmontano - You make some sound points and I agree that all this musical appropriation is normal and nothing new, however whilst we all love a history lesson in popular music, the article isn't really arguing that dance music becoming mainstream is a new thing, but rather is discusing its current mainstream phase. Also, I think that criticising the article over the whole over/underground divide is rather unfair because it's actually not doing that at all - it's discussing mainstream on mainstream.

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

andyman9999

andyman9999 said on the 5th Sep, 2010

ITM has become interesting again, great article probly one of the best in quite some time hence so much discussion.. i like it

e_j_montano

e_j_montano said on the 6th Sep, 2010

@Henry Johnstone - Good points. I got a bit carried away and in the process made a few incorrect judgements on the article's content (apologies to Dave). Still, I stand by my point that there seems to be an undercurrent of negativity to the piece (intentional or not). Is this music really that bad? Is it bad that some producers recycle certain sounds and styles?

silvaside

silvaside said on the 6th Sep, 2010

all those youtube songs in the article are shit anyway...

lawlietskyy

lawlietskyy said on the 7th Sep, 2010

Timmy Trumpet ? please... I saw that guy "DJ" once at Sounds on Sunday in Sydney and he just "mixed" the beatport top 10

airconteka

airconteka said on the 7th Sep, 2010

I like how you ripped off PWEI to make your point! But liked the point where you put Kanye and DJ Premier in the same category a lot less.

lawlietskyy

lawlietskyy said on the 9th Sep, 2010

Timmy Trumpet's production skills can only be matched by a fat man on a toilet.

consensualrapist

consensualrapist said on the 13th Sep, 2010

fuck guetta and pharrell for ruining one.

bigstrauss

bigstrauss said on the 13th Sep, 2010

hahahah i love the timmy trumpet bashing


that guy is a talentless fuckwit

deadbeat

deadbeat said on the 23rd Sep, 2010

nice one Dave - cool article