Should we give trance a chance?

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So we’re now four weeks in to our five-part debate series, having already chewed over some meaty topics (you can find the rest of the debates on the final page of this article). For this Friday’s feature, we’ve turned to ITM’s resident trance guru and former Editor angy to wade into a big topic close to his heart. All this is powered by Hyundai Veloster, just like past weeks there are prizes for getting involved in the debate.

It’s a few hours after the midnight countdown that took us into 2011 at the heavily hyped Armin Only concert in Melbourne. Tonight the “concert” aspect has taken centre stage more than ever before, with Nadia Ali and Sophie Ellis Bextor helping Armin recreate live a sizeable chunk of his Mirage album’s pop-trance theatre. There’s an unsettling trend towards trance cheddar for much of the set though, and the low point comes post 3am when Armin drops a trance re-rub of Kings of Leon’s Use Somebody – which would have been great anthemic fodder, except for Caleb Followill’s vocals being replaced with those of a sickly sweet female trance singer. Armin pulls the Jesus pose gratuitously during the breakdown, the crowd sings along raucously, and I die a little inside.

It’s moments like these that offer fuel to the detractors, who insist we certainly shouldn’t give trance a chance. Why the hell would we? It’s a genre dominated by cheesy female vocals, formulaic breakdowns and generic build-ups, defined by a crowd reaching for the lasers as they chase chemically-induced highs all night long. Consider this infamous quote from techno stalwart Dave Clarke: “I think all trance DJs deep down are embarrassed by what they play. They take it on the chin! They know deep down that they’re playing watered-down techno.”

It’s a common perception of many from outside the scene, and trance has been the resident whipping boy of dance music for longer than most clubbers can remember, in spite of its enduring popularity. You can trace the sentiments back to shortly after trance’s ‘Golden Year’ of 1999 had passed, when all the explosive energy from the superclubs like Gatecrasher and Cream fizzled out, leaving trance looking like it was desperately seeming to recapture those euphoric highs.

Digging deeper

As always though, there were quality tunes to be found if you go looking in the hidden corners. Even when trance was deep in its post-2001 dead zone, pioneers like M.I.K.E and Marco V were slyly working to inject a techno influence into the sound (what eventually came to be known as ‘tech trance’). ‘Golden Year’ survivor Ferry Corsten was dropping bombs out of leftfield like Punk and Rock Your Body, Rock, while a new wave of big-league hopefuls like Armin van Buuren and Above & Beyond were cleverly challenging the way we perceived popular club trance. Reflecting the rich tapestry of sounds that defined trance as it emerged in the ‘90s, all sorts of influences began to creep their way in – the strongest were progressive and techno, but there was plenty of representation from house music, electro and beyond.

These developments crystallised in two massive records released in 2007; Rank 1 and Alex M.O.R.P.H.’s Life Less Ordinary and Wippenberg’s remix of Needs To Feel, both which deceptively lulled the listener into a false sense of security via a traditional euphoric breakdown, before slamming them in the face with a chunky electro bassline after the drop. After that the doors were blown open, and trance experienced a true ‘comeback’ year in 2008.

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Jeanica

Jeanica said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Trance music can be seen as being largely responsible for this recent globalization of EDM. House music had a massive influence as well, but trance DJs that took it to the next level, especially via festivals.

Theres no simpler way to put it but: trance is what feelings sound like! and you should definitely give it a chance :)

Mindfull-1

Mindfull-1 said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Yeah I think its more about how trance fans cant handle that a lot of other people just dont respect their music in the slightest. Trance fans are desperate for some sort of global recognition for trance and it being the number 1 genre ever without a shadow of a doubt (in their eyes). Until the world bows down and acknowledges trance as the greatest form of EDM they will not be happy. Being the biggest sub genre of EDM is not enough for them. Trance must be praised by ALLLLL

DaBro

DaBro said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Really good article, angy. Well researched and thought provoking.

brendanfazel

brendanfazel said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Great article! Not only do I like to look back at some of the most amazing and inspiring moments in trance but I also like to look forward to what is ahead. Every genre has moments of pure cheese but I look at it like trial and error. Every time trance has gone through one of these moments it has come out the other end with a new and refreshed sound. I think we should all stop and enjoy the roller coaster ride that trance music takes you on.

asadi

asadi said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Great read, Mirage and 500 @ Sydney were pretty sweet. Tyas said that ASOT is the only reason trance is still kicking and he maaay be right, but there is still some genius upcoming talent out there who are passionate about trance/psy-trance. I'll give trance a chance just because nothing else (with the exception of some progressive stuff) really compares.

hazyinseptember

hazyinseptember said on the 27th Jan, 2012

I have been one of the naysayers of trance in the past. Even to the point of aggressively telling fans that trance is dead a few years ago.

While that may have been the case then, I have a grudging respect for some of the dark, edgy and beautiful trance I have been discovering lately... I hope to continue to find more and eventually eat my own words.

Progrez

Progrez said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Armin's album wasn't trance it was a pop and dance album nothing to do with trance get your facts right.

33brownbear

33brownbear said on the 27th Jan, 2012

@adrian morton .... if by top 100 polls you mean dj mag? then thers something wrong witchuu.. and by trance djs headlining major festivals you mean Tiesto and Armin? urgh.. name 1 other trance dj headlining a major festival.. put down the glowsticks, and pick up some good musical taste

Progrez

Progrez said on the 27th Jan, 2012

I don't agree with stating Anjunabeats these days as being cutting edge. All 3 of those producers suck!

chrisye

chrisye said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Trance is dead, cremated and buried. The 90s were amazing for the genre. That feeling has been lost though and in a big way.
How many clubs anywhere in Australia regularly play trance with just locals? Not very many. Do they even pack out? I'd say not. People will only go out for the big internationals, and still thats a niche market unless you're armin, above and beyond or ferry.

With the quality and range in house, techno, progressive for outdoes trance tenfold, hence why nobody listens to the genre anymore.

I really liked Sander Van Doorns Supernaturalistic Album, however this album was hardly trance. That was pretty much the last time I have given "trance" a go.

Jeanica - trance isn't responsible for shit.

Jshster

Jshster said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Surely a good track is a good track is a good track?? If it happens to be trance, fantastic, if not, well that's cool too. Why limit yourself to only one or two genres of music? I'm not a fan of most female trance vocals (don't know why they just give me you-know-whats) but I love a lot of trance songs - and prog house and house. Again just love the music... if you don't like it don't listen to it.

Without even realising it I've been a fan of trance for a good 15 years or so. Only recently have I really started to emerse myself in the EDM world. Stuns me how much 'hate' there is in the music world. Listen to what you love! Peace out.

HungryHippo

HungryHippo said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Really enjoyed this article Angy, it explores the journey of trance music, defines the poignant moments, and the commercialization of the genre at certain times (very similar to what has happened with dub step and many other genres!) Trance is favourite style of music, all the forms it undertakes I have embraced whether it be harder trance, prog trance - whatever. It always makes me happy no matter what shape and form. Trance will constantly evolve and reinvent itself like it has consistently since I started listening to it 15 years ago, bring it on I say! Trance is the answer!!!

discotheque

discotheque said on the 27th Jan, 2012

There is a reason why trance is a dirty word on Resident Advisor

KraftyNut

KraftyNut said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Since when did music ask us to give it a chance? No one's forcing earphones in anyone's ears nor a sub woofer. If you discover new music regardless of genre/style that moves you emotionally and physically then that's awesome. What I don't understand is others bashing the genre when it doesn't harm nor cause them grief. Not particular fond of country nor electro but it doesn't mean I hate it.

That said this is a great article on the current and previous state of trance for someone like myself who has gravitated away from it after being entrenched in the pre 2003/4 era. Have always appreciated the different sub genres whether it is progressive, uplifting or hard trance for that matter. I'm grateful that trance gave myself a chance to enjoy, be moved and experience not just the music but the culture along with it in Sydney and globally.

breezeonin

breezeonin said on the 27th Jan, 2012

look, i know what your all going to say.... Tiesto Tiesto Tiesto is shit...sell out...wanker whatever... Truith is that i think that there is a generation change that were are on the cusp of. I have listend to trance/techno/dance since year 8 in highscool which was around 1989... Yeh im grandfather..lol. Tiesto in search of sunrise amongst other compitations and artists have given me memories of my entire adult lifetime, Tiesto's cut off from Trance has been devistating. Elements of Life tour at festival hall was the best night of my life... Its ok to have vocals in trance but it has really turned into utter shit... I would say armin fans are not as old as me and did not connect with the same type of music. Trance Energy at Calder Park was also another fond memory now gone forever.. Finlay i wont bore any one any longer. Just remember that trance/techno/dance only appealed to lets just say 20,000 people world wide back 20 years ago and now its appealing to 20,000000000 people definitely means the sound has changed and it is not the same. Trance/techno/dance shouldn't be enjoyed by millions if its made right, its a special sound/meaning that we relate with and this is the minority of people that it would appeal to which isn't many..hence the comments about it heading back underground are truly just. :)

HungryHippo

HungryHippo said on the 27th Jan, 2012



i think it has a lot to do with the fact none trance lovers shit on it at any given chance.... they are extremely vocal about it - however the reason why they dominate the top 100 poll is the true lovers live and breathe it and dont pay attention to the hat0rz perhaps?

:love:

k9culture

k9culture said on the 27th Jan, 2012

@Mindfull-1, you're friend's sound like douche bags if their trying to ram trance down your throat.
HAte to be capt obvious but with any genre of edm I find prolific commercialization does not positively affect the quality of production, trance is no exception - so focusing on Amrin's contribution is as relevant as looking at Guetta's 'so called' mastery of house music. I am a trance supporter, but maybe it needs a crash to clear out the garbage - the underground is where the real fun is anyway.

Fleming's just as much to blame. Did anybody listen to Nine Lives? What the cheese?

lbmastiff

lbmastiff said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Right or wrong, I've always seen Trance as the introductory sound of EDM. It serves a great purpose at raves enhancing the effects of MDMA. But once people are over the festival jumping phase it doesn't seem to have much of a place in the lifetime love of this music.

StiC MaN

StiC MaN said on the 27th Jan, 2012

great article. however, i do have this question. why isn't this new "trouse" sound criticised? or the noise which marcel woods produces which is passed off as "cutting edge"? how many tracks are being released today by both trance and house djs with a one finger synth. it's all sounding the same and i see nothing innovative about it

Binda2

Binda2 said on the 27th Jan, 2012

@sticman people always criticize trouse! they get hate from both sides of the spectrum!

DJ_Ange

DJ_Ange said on the 27th Jan, 2012

I think the near 260,000 fans of the fan page I run on facebook called 'Trance & Progressive' will completely agree to 'give Trance a chance' .... all the BS that gets said about Trance usually comes from all the people who don't ever listen to it and claim to 'know what they're talking about' when they've nearly truly bothered to give it a 'real' listen. Its also why I think the bigger names have taken to trying to incorporate external influences such as house/pop vocalists to attempt broaden their market while not losing their roots. Those that have effectively jumped ship into other genres should not be labelled as doing so just because they think Trance is dead, I suspect most have done so simply because there is more money involved. Just because Trance does not attract the huge numbers that pop, house, etc do doesn't mean that its not a viable genre. I don't get that ridiculous comment that Dave Clarke made. What a pompous, arrogant arsehole. And they say that the Trance lovers have no time for other sounds .... actually we are the most broad minded music lovers and most in the Trance scene give all sounds a chance. I've always said that you'll easily get a Trance lover out to a festival as they are keen to see everything that's on offer but get a house lover to be broad minded?? .... yeah right ... FFS Trance riffs have so much classical music influence its insane, I really don't get why there is such a bad stigma against Trance when we are so heavily influenced by the 'music of old' that is taught in school, etc.

StiC MaN

StiC MaN said on the 27th Jan, 2012

@binda2 point me in the direction of it 'cause i hardly hear a wimper about it. all i hear is how "innovative" the sound is. u should see the twitter feeds of first state, marcel woods and marcus schossow ranting about how great it is

chrisg72

chrisg72 said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Listen to Orkidea - Unity (Solarstone Pure Remix) the tell me Trance is dead.

Shall

Shall said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Although this article is centered around the progression and the timing of the introduction (and the re-introduction) of trance at particular moments in a historical sense, it would be fair to say that trance has had as much influence as any other genre of EDM probably has once had or will have at a certain point of time.

I remember when I was a young under-aged raver and back then I was listening to breaks and drum and bass tracks - Thinking back now I didn't notice how much that actually influenced my own personal musical tastes and in which persuaded me to explore artists more like the plump DJs, LTJ Bukem and other artists such as Goldie.

My own musical tastes then progressed further when Happy Hard became popular as well and then I was introduced into artists such as Dyewitness, Paul Elstak and even through to the Raver Baby Crew. I think part of this influence was also the commercialization of such events that were now considered main-stream raves. As these kind of events became even more popular and more mainstream we also saw the rose of other genres like hard-house, trance and hard-trance - even to the point where now Hardcore and Hardstyle is slowly gaining mainstream status in some geographical markets. Even to the point where we are now seeing EDM artists like David Guetta and Tiesto producing and developing sounds that cater to people's tastes rather than what they originally felt they wanted to produce in terms of their own musical tastes, ....We wont even start to mention DJ Idol...

But lets get back to the Trance. Last year I had the privilege to be able to go on holidays to Miami and be able to attend some of the greatest Trance music events I've ever been too. The first was a club night in downtown Miami Beach with Gareth Emery and his Northern Lights Re-lit tour. The atmosphere was amazing. A full club with one of the most exciting trance influenced DJ's on earth. Still one of the best club nights I've ever been able to attend. A couple of days later and after being able to experience the amazing experience of being able to be part of Above and Beyond's TV series for the day, we all attended Above and Beyond's Anjunabeats Night at the Ice Palace. With over a thousand people easily there we saw what Trance music was able to create in terms of a atmosphere, in terms of an event which was magical. The next day, we again had the privilege of seeing Above and Beyond do a free show right in the middle of the actual Armani Exchange store in downtown Miami Beach. Seeing the fan-ism, the smiles, the photos and hearing the voices of a couple of hundred people singing along to 'Sun and Moon' was an experience in itself (most of them had been at the Ice Palace the night before). Sunday that week though in Miami was remarkable. At Ultra music Festival ASOT 500 (Miami style) again the Trance was amazing and even though we had to leave that day earlier than expected to catch a connecting flight to L.A, my own thoughts of what I was experiencing had me trying to convince myself to stay and miss the flight... that's some influential power alone.

But I'm not Trance biased as well, I'm a huge fan of multiple of musical genres, heck I even listen to classical when I study at times... There's a time and place and a mood for all types of music to be enjoyed I think! There's some amazing artists out there across a multitude of various genres of music. Think Carl Cox, think Mark Farina - the DJ MAG top 100 could actually be the DJ Top1000 poll and still have amazing talent right down the list. Even Mr Snoop Doggy Dogg has a special place in my heart.

Not just EDM either, have you ever listened to James Morrison and his Swing band? Simply amazing! But again, there will always be a time and place in life to really enjoy it.

Even if particular individualized music tastes are seen to be transitional to people throughout life, it's probably still fair to say that in terms of EDM, Trance and the 'trance music sub-culture' will always have some influence and some part of following in one form or another and while there is still a crowd and a community that wants to support the trance genre, it will always be well welcomed. How it remains relevant to the current climate of music tastes and what's popular is something that will ultimately be decided by the media, the artists, the promoters and the people most of all.

As a person in the crowd, I'd like to say that Trance will always have a place in a major festival lineup, or at a weekend club event. Because it's a pretty ultimate picture when a couple of thousand people all have their hands in the air...Regardless if it's Armin Van Buuren's 'Shivers', Paul Van Dyk's 'For An Angel' or any other trance track that encourages people to simply enjoy the music for whatever it exists to be and whilst people enjoy listening to it, Trance's history and influences should be well-respected even if you don't personally like those amazing breakdowns and large kick-bass drum sounds of a big-room trance track!

pEAkeR_hAT

pEAkeR_hAT said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Right place right time IMO,

Psy-trance can be cool in the right setting !

Gee Frizz

Gee Frizz said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Those who enjoy the underground sounds of techno are not going to give trance a chance based on tracks like Armin's remix of "Use Somebody". Simple as that. The reason being is it, like so many other vocal "floorfillers" ain't really "trance".

The rest of the genre, which imo is going through a transitional phase at the moment, is being tarred with the same brush.

Some techno fans will overlook John Fleming's work because he falls under teh "trance" umbrella. Those who have been adventurous and dived in were of course rewarded (case in point: his EM from two years ago).

I am not fond of the house/electro influences that have infiltrated the genre lately. This is not to say that I am against progression - far from it - it's just that the feeling that was once there is dissipating. Having said that, I am all for the slower pace.

On the subject of JF, the man is nothing short of a mastermind, however I can only really listen to GTG and his other output in smaller doses because it is too trancey and not emotive enough for my liking. Darker sounds that I enjoy have arrived by way of the likes of Shackleton, Pinch, Consequence etc.

For those willing to "give trance a chance", be sure to ignore the big names (it'd be like having Korn or Disturbed being the poster-child for metal) and go straight for the likes of the aforementioned John 00 Fleming as well as the blunt instrument that is John Askew. You won't find either of these two pushing Kraft singles (complete with forumulaic breakdowns and overly produced vocals from vocalists who really cannot sing).

tranzmanniac

tranzmanniac said on the 27th Jan, 2012

from someone that has seen the "fall from grace" that trance has gone through over the past decade, all i have to say is remove the vocals! for me the best trance music is instrumental. Best "trance" album for me of recent times was 20 by Orkidea, its well worth a listen to begin to understand where all the nay-sayers are coming from. I have always liked AVB, even i am beginning to detraqct from his style, with the perfect example being his set at stereosonic, full of utter crap! I agree that the po[pularity and commercialism of the genre needs to be destroyed before any respect can be payed to the music, because the continued fame and popularity is only going to further distort and dilute the perfection that is a greact trance record.

mikeyc101

mikeyc101 said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Trance will always be there as are all genres of music, they have there highs and they have there lows, but they all survive to a degree of popularity comming and going with each new generation of dance fans.Listen to what you love don't hate on other genres live life and enjoy the ride.

SANDSHREW

SANDSHREW said on the 27th Jan, 2012

Q: Should we give trance a chance?
A: No.

b3nje909

b3nje909 said on the 27th Jan, 2012

trance is fucking boring

techno is god

chrisye

chrisye said on the 28th Jan, 2012



stopped reading here

Achal

Achal said on the 28th Jan, 2012

When I go out to clubs my friends always tell me i'm so closed minding for not liking the tracks out there. Reading the ITM forums makes me realise how open minded I am. "Trance" as it was in the past is harrdly produced anymore, I admit I LOVE the trance of old but the genre's changed. From reading forums (mostly ITM) it seems people seem to have this idea that if you don't listen to askew or j00f then you don't listen to trance. The way I see it either I have a different view of what trance is or (and wait for it) a lot of these guys WAY to strict a view on what trance should be. BUT that's the point isnt it? Even in a genre people are allowed to have their own opinion. I consider myself a fan of trance but I guess according to all the people that hate on Armin etc. I should just call myself an EDM fan and I'm ok with that. I LOVE the the old sound but also love the new stuff on ASOT. Despite all this (and I can't vouch for other genre's) I love that trance listeners are so passionate about the music. I write this as I listen to asot 544 and armchair rave to mike sonar's remix of coldplays paradise. I realise it seems I'm just sitting on the fence but the way I see it I enjoy the best of both worlds this way, I'm seldom disappointed by what I'm listening to. GENRE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT!

Pendulum

Pendulum said on the 28th Jan, 2012

Great article Angy. Good read. For me personally, I find it frustrating that a lot of the trance released these days isn't all that haunting or subtle. Listen to tunes like Maximum Overdrive by MORPH from back in 2002 where you don't even get a hint of subtle melody until 3:15 in. I think a lot of trance has forsaken simple but effective elements, for complex uber production techniques (aka Arty, Mat Zo etc).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okbSV_8A2qQ

I just spent the better part of a week catching up on releases on Beatport, and come to the conclusion that there should be new sub genres on Beatport for trance. One called 'Arty-trance' for sure. Oh and maybe another for 'unmastered' trance.

With that said, I have been finding some truly incredible 'trance' but honestly most of it has been in melodic techno, psy trance, progressive psy etc, with a few coming from the vanilla trance genre. I don't think it's that there's not so much of the serious, pure stuff around any more, it's just that the genre 'trance' now contains a much wider gamut of musical styles and 'feels'. Makes for a challenging yet rewarding mission to find the tunes you like :)

KraftyNut

KraftyNut said on the 28th Jan, 2012



Thats the beauty of it, finding a gem in the rough and being mindblown. Wicked feeling.

larrisajones

larrisajones said on the 28th Jan, 2012

http://dyn.quickmeme.com/meme/35r9qa/

LavyP

LavyP said on the 28th Jan, 2012

Why do people keep on concentrating on trance being 'formulaic breakdowns and generic build-ups'!? FOR GOD SAKES IT IS! THAT IS WHAT TRANCE IS and IT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT! Similar to those alien radio signals that gives you headaches are to dubstep.

LavyP

LavyP said on the 28th Jan, 2012

If you dont like trance, don't, and don't give it a chance cause no one cares as the majority still loves it. If you do, I suggest you stop following tiesto's recent tweets and go back in time and listen to NYANA.

Pendulum

Pendulum said on the 28th Jan, 2012

Tiesto LIVE at Club Space, Miami, 18.08.2002:

http://www.scottrichardson.com.au/storage/DJ_Tiesto-Live_at_Club_Space-08-18-02-xds-www_tranceaddict_com.mp3

Tiesto at some of his finest

Heist9000

Heist9000 said on the 28th Jan, 2012

Trance = Cristianity ... Conservative, myopic and always just a little bit behind-the-times

zsmiles

zsmiles said on the 29th Jan, 2012

The new wave of "trance" music isn't trance any more, it's just trouse (please keep in mind that my definition of trouse probably encompasses what most people would call "trance"), and all the dj's play all the same music.

As a big trance fan, I went to stereosonics recently and saw myon and shane 54, jochen miller, arty and ferry corsten. All of them played trouse, and there none of them (except ferry with his generic out of date set) was indistinguishable from most other trance sets being played by other really famous trance djs. Also, most of the music was just trouse. This is just one recent example. Need to bring back the old school stuff when trance was its own genre. I can't stand the cheesey crap any more.

josh_goods

josh_goods said on the 29th Jan, 2012

wow man. trance has so many haters... you clearly haven't looked deep enough to find something you like. I got into it because it was never ending. You find one dj, another, a track, a remix, another dj an so on. Its arguably one of the most chock-full genres. Like, I don't like dubstep anymore, but I know there is stuff in such a diverse genre I like (jakwob is tops). This is how me and my friends have gotten into most music, so to have this absolute trance-is-inferior attitude is just embarrassing. I've just been travelling in Europe and let me tell you, the scene in Australia just needs more money, because we suffer by being so far away. Trance is not dead, just like your worst enemy isn't dead. Learn to live with it or you can keep fighting an uphill battle til ur red in the face

josh_goods

josh_goods said on the 29th Jan, 2012

@tranzzmaniac, I agree to a large extent. It is embarrassing how much people cringe at the experience of listening to a song without words. Since when did music become so fucking superficial that you needed words to be told what to think? Beethoven didnt use words, art doesn't use words. The music is like the words in a book. You don't then add an external layer of explanation to explain the words, otherwise you aren't really reading the book and taking away from it what is intended.
all you haters, do something most australians dont, and consider for a moment that you might be wrong.
Listen to Mat Zo's Bipolar, It's Yours, Subaquatic Dream, his remix of Sting's Desert Rose... this is just ONE dj of thousands that is doing something entirely knew and interesting. This is trance like we've never seen before and this is where your most Australian traits come out! You never accept evolution. 'Why can't it be more of the same? What happened to the music that was good 15 years ago?' Dude wtf times have changed, scenes have changed, country's governments have changed, we've had a huge economic crisis, tsunamis, earthquakes, terrorism, guetta... it is completely ignorant to expect something to stay the same. That is why Europe peaked, post war it was designed to harness evolution and change. Our economy is so stable because we don't, we just keep plugging along and criticizing anything that, for some reason, isn't doing things how America does it.

camlv

camlv said on the 29th Jan, 2012

Give the music a chance yeah but reading some of the comments its clear the problem is the whiny trance fans. All those incarnations of trance has left all these fans wishing that their favourite incarnation stayed around forever.

matzta73

matzta73 said on the 29th Jan, 2012

If it sounds good and gets your booty moving, who really cares what style it is. just like the clothes fashion industry, styles come and go and then come back again!

Franceisonarager

Franceisonarager said on the 29th Jan, 2012

Dave Clarke: %u201CI think all trance DJs deep down are embarrassed by what they play. They take it on the chin! They know deep down that they%u2019re playing watered-down techno.

this dave guy is the biggest flog in the world, what a friggen tool.

JulesPLees

JulesPLees said on the 29th Jan, 2012

Trance died shortly after age of love - age of love was released.

JulesPLees

JulesPLees said on the 29th Jan, 2012

I remember the moment trance died. I was at 2tribes 2001 and someone had dumped a ministry of sound australia magazine on the ground. There was an article about trances iminent demise. And house is the new cool thing. It was right. And trance has been trying way too hard to be cool ever since.

As for the future?

Q. What was the cool decade of the 00's?

A. The 80's.

Right now the early 90's are in fashion. And so the music follows. We are currently in the midst of another acid house era. Give it a couple of years and the trance of the mid 90s will be back.

It may however have a different name. But i sure as hell wont care. Its the tunes that matter.

Finally as a dj who has listened to trance since i was a kid and been playing the stuff for over a decade - heres 2 mixes.

1Clubtrance - http://soundcloud.com/user38450/rockns2easy

2Realtrance - http://soundcloud.com/user38450/plastic-music-blockbuster

So in summary be careful what you all wish for. Trance will probably come back. But it may not be the trance most if you are familiar with. Because what most peoPLe are familiar with as trance is really a dilluted form of bandwagon euro pop.

Digitalgrub

Digitalgrub said on the 29th Jan, 2012

In many ways, this article is just about one sub genre of trance - the euphoric, hands in the air anthemy stuff - what I call 'euro-trance'. True trance fans are still around, and there's probably more than ever, but the trance scene, and the rave scene has morphed into the doof scene. Psytrance and all it's wonderful complexities is where the 'tribal' element that people miss is at. It can be hard and agressive, dark and twisted, light and deep.

But unless you're part of that scene, you don't really see it. In many ways, the goa sound was where trance originally came from, and it's just returned back to the source.

I'd say one of the main differences is that in the late nighties, trance was the BIG genre, much like electrohouse and Dubstep are now. Look at the money, time and effort that is put into those genres. That only happens because a lot of money can be made from those genres. And since trance isn't the money making genre it once was, there's no investment and no superclubs for it.

Trance is one of those genres that works on a big scale, with a stadium full of thousands of people with their hands in the air waiting for the beat to drop. It's just not the same in a smaller club (or bar), but these are the only venues that can support a trance night now unless it's a super cheesy, not-really-trance Armin show.

So, trance fans - find the tribe, head out to the bush and listen to some psy>>>> http://www.ektoplazm.com/about

(or move onto techno, which was never popular and never will be, but will always be there)

burchill712

burchill712 said on the 30th Jan, 2012

YES give Trance a chance. I find the local trance gigs i go to are dominated by an older age group. I believe many of the people my own age don't have the patience to appreciate trance music, they would prefer hard hitting electro-house or dubstep that is in-your-face. In my opinion, trance is great. People say it's repetitive but really it's like slowing the progression down so you can appreciate it for longer and hear the minor changes which is the further progression of the song.

Ben Royal

Ben Royal said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Great article. I'm not a big trance fan as its just too epic - I cant listen to music thats 100% the whole time - it needs to have ebbs and flows.
I respect that trance is easily the most powerful EDM emotionally - you dont see anyone tearing up during the breakdown of a techno or d'n'b track. Trance has certainly made its way into lots of other types of music - even Rihanna has trancey-synths in her tracks now.
Im not a trance fan but I do respect that importance it has in the EDM scene.

Mindfull-1

Mindfull-1 said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Trance breakdowns are way way way way too long. The end.

ewat

ewat said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Lately (espec in the last couple of years), I’ve been finding there is SUCH a difference in sound/song selection of a trance artist’s:

‘Studio’ set (e.g. podcasts, essential mixes)
‘Festival’ set (e.g. stereosonic)
‘Small event set’ set (e.g. sideshow/intimate setting)

Of the 3, I just can’t stomach many Festival sets anymore. I guess it’s a combo of the crowd these things draw and who they’ve got to keep happy, but whatever it is it makes me want to give up on the genre...

Except then I go listen to their studio sets/see them in a small event and faith is generally restored again. Maybe trance really needs to go a little bit more underground again? :| or moved out of these garbage festivals we seem to get in au :( - Guess we get something at least.


@K9culture – AGREE, wtfness at nine lives.

adrian morton

adrian morton said on the 30th Jan, 2012

@33brownbear

Not just Tiesto and Armin my friend Dash Berlin, Ferry Corsten and many more are doing really well on the Festival circuit and I am very happy with my Musical taste douche bag thank you.

macc4

macc4 said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Wub wub wub is heaps more sexual and less gay than donk.

Dubstep is the new trance

rismeq

rismeq said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Great article. :thumb:

If taking the spotlight off trance reduces the legions of haters and self-proclaimed trance gurus who constantly compare and reminisce about tracks from days of yonder, then I support its execution. However, the chance of this being the case could be likened to hell freezing over.

Asides from producers and the fans in the trance scene, I think people should remember that label companies hold as much responsibility in leading the genre down the path to the debate we have this day. I do not have concrete example handy, but I recall seeing a compilation from some label titled something along the lines of Pure Uplifting Trance, but featuring tracks which all had techy and dirty sounds. While I did not think the tracks themselves were bad, it was just the poorly branded and classified compilation which irked me.

If anybody should get a wake up call, the labels should. :slap:



^ I agree.

boomboomtingting

boomboomtingting said on the 30th Jan, 2012

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boomboomtingting

boomboomtingting said on the 30th Jan, 2012

I find this article to be misguided and pointless. The EDM sound whether it be trance, house, techno etc is continuously changing and evolving, even mashing together %u2013 this is an inevitable reality we must all face. There are now so many sub genres of trance nowadays, there is something out there for every taste.

You either love trance or hate it, there is no in between. Trance has never been nor ever will be the most popular genre, nor will it ever get air play....not in this country anyway. But that%u2019s okay, I%u2019m cool with that. It gives trance that exclusivity and underground feel which I cherish.

There is no other music on the planet which can make you feel emotions of euphoria, infatuation and tranquillity all within the same track. Music so moving you want to close your eyes and be taken away by it all.

So should trance be given a chance?... No! Fuck you all non-trance lovers. I want more dancefloor space :)

KatCha

KatCha said on the 30th Jan, 2012

Good music is good music. Whatever floats your boat. Personally I think some trance trax are great and others are so-so. Bit like all other music really.

dan_essential77

dan_essential77 said on the 31st Jan, 2012

So many haters. Whilst I think Trance is a beautiful music genre, harboring on classic and its feet positioned in electronic dance, the fact that so many cringe on Trance, is one other reason why it's Dance music's most favoured genre.

Bruno from Burwood

Bruno from Burwood said on the 31st Jan, 2012

The problem with trance that I think non-trance following EDM fans have with the genre is that it chases and/or contrives moments and emotions. It just feels fake.

It reminds me of some interviews conducted with movers and shakers of the early British house/edm scene in the History of House documentary (available on youtube). In the early years the harder, faster and more bizzare music was created to emulate the feeling of being in a club and experiencing particular moments while off one's face. In hindsight, hard dance music and other rubbish like psy-trance is not as much about the organic expression of an artistic idea as it is about attempting to re-create some sort of psychosis experienced while dropping acid listening to the shit.

Trance suffers from the same problem. It must take a hell of a lot of ecstacy for a punter to actually believe in the sense of euphoria created by the breakdown placed at exactly the same moment (for exactly the same length) as it was in the 35 tracks preceding it. The music is made for this purpose.

At the popular level the emphasis is quite clearly on hands in the air moments allowing a DJ to execute some stupid fucking pose. I can't comment on what exists below the surface of trance but my hunch is that there isn't too much of a scene outside of hugely popular members of DJ Mag's top 100. It seems that the underground DJs place 100 to 50 instead of 20 to 1.

None of this means that the idea of trance does not work. I'm willing to conceede that so much of the excellent prog produced by Melbourne's stalwarts between 2000 and 2006 was trance by another name. The music's ability to influence other genres is understated because the elitists don't want to be associated with trance.

Scuba/SBC Adrenalin/Loss both have clear trance influences whether Rose wants to admit it or not (he hasn't lived a vacuum). The funky house lines are complimented well by the rather large trance-like synths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ-pddLvpAA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5eJOhUeWPY

This combination of a straightened out dubstep arrangement and trance is unbelievably good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnOyp8lOd8

There is then the combination of trance and techno by someone like Petar Dundov which shows enough restraint and creativity to actually be considered a journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJEfo1mwdE&feature=fvst

elliotclarke

elliotclarke said on the 31st Jan, 2012

This article should be titled "Should we give trance ANOTHER chance". When you approach it that way, the answer is obviously no.

macc4

macc4 said on the 31st Jan, 2012

Country and western is just as emotive and has similar dancing technique. You cant really make it on a computer though

sunmusic

sunmusic said on the 31st Jan, 2012

Well, I believe every kind of music can reach people, no matter if handmade or electronic. It depends on how it's arranged. Sometimes melodies which flow well in country style music sound worse in electronic music and vice versa. One shouldn't stigmatize certain styles in favor of others. It's all music in the end.

Benny77

Benny77 said on the 31st Jan, 2012

Dont give trance a chance..far too broad. Give Markus Schulz, Gareth Emery, John 00 Fleming, Sean Tyas and the true thinkers of the scene a chance. Carefully avoiding the cheese has become difficult but this only makes it that much better.

Rocca

Rocca said on the 1st Feb, 2012

suntrip and dimensional records. there's your trance.

Funkedub

Funkedub said on the 1st Feb, 2012

Is the next article going to be on electro? Or Breaks?

WTF happened to breaks?!

DJ_LG

DJ_LG said on the 1st Feb, 2012

It was better when it was smaller. Before the explosion of online music sales.
Now every shitty track gets released. ASOT top 20 2011 was dreadful. Too much vocal shit to try and make it popular for the masses.
John '00' Fleming please save us!

Weinertron

Weinertron said on the 1st Feb, 2012

This discussion needs MOAR PSY-TRANCE (although I'm of the opinion that they should dump the "trance" portion of the moniker and just call it "psy")

breezeonin

breezeonin said on the 1st Feb, 2012

Van B is playing to a different crowd now..cause...it is utter vocal shit that he plays now and that's not what trance is or trance that is available..there are shit loads of good tracks now but you no longer go to the familiar artist/producers to find it..yet our favorite reliable DJ'S are commercializing. There are thousands of #$#$# that scream to this vocal terd trance that is now consuming the big names.. If you are a true trance fan you would have moved on from these DJ'S. So Yes give it a chance but you should look for that chance in a different home!

josh_goods

josh_goods said on the 2nd Feb, 2012

A thought came to me yesterday... why does Trance get such a ludicrous debate? Every other genre has its issues; the cheese of house, the mess of dub and the monotony of tech. So WHYYYYY does trance get all this talk and all this hate? Every great art form, architecture movement, even sports tactic met heaps of ridicule in its time only to be looked back upon as ground breaking for its time.
Suck a dick trance haters, that you don't like it is proof enough!!
HAAAAAA i love this world.

Onijin

Onijin said on the 2nd Feb, 2012

Unfortunately, because of its fairly high profile in the non-EDM circles in the late nineties to early two thousands, trance has copped more of a pasting for its venture into cheese compared to house and techno which proceeded it, while breaks passed by unscathed. Trance should indeed be given another chance, but the main thing that must take place first is for the masses to collectively turn their backs on commercial cheese and start praising tracks and DJs that truly deserve recognition. One of the few DJs to maintain their integrity, IMO, would have to be Markus Schulz, in that despite how tempting it would've been to step out of his routine and follow a more commercial route, he's stuck more closely to his roots in promoting the obscure and more progressive side of trance and IMO, should headline above Armin van Buuren himself, given the latters relative fall from grace. I sadly had high hopes for Armin with the A State of Trance 2004 and 2005 compilations, the latters second disc being one of my all-time favourite trance mixes, but since the release of the 2006 A State of Trance, he's gone downhill since.

The decheesification of trance will only allow for it to truly flourish again.

shuffler13

shuffler13 said on the 2nd Feb, 2012

Trance.... The source of pain, happiness and balance in EDM!! Think of the Morgan Page%u2019s, Delirium%u2019s and Ferry%u2019s of the world. EVERY ONE KNOWS THE NAME OF AT LEAST ONE TRACNE TRACK (ARTIST & TITLE) how many genres can trance-send across the mass of EDM lovers like that!!

raymo009

raymo009 said on the 2nd Feb, 2012

Life as a trance fan can be hard.
People are immediately put off Trance simply from its title. They generally have the perception that it is simply doof-doof stuff. They couldn't be more wrong. and this makes me sad.

On many occassions I find myself out at clubs and bars in Melbourne which I take no joy out of visiting, all because my friends DON'T want to give Trance a chance. Instead I stand and watch them mindlessly banging their heads to the likes of Dub-step and singing to Nikki Minaj.

Stereosonic 2011 had a superb lineup of Trance artistst. All of which my brother desperately wanted to see (unfortunately I couldn't make the festival) though his friends weren't willing to give it ago. He was stuck with LMFAO and others alike. A very sad story....

Perhaps trance does need to return to the underground and try to redefine itself. It needs to do something to shake this negative connotation that's been associated with it. For me, Trance hasn't really changed, though, as a 'youngin' I only really discovered it in 2008.

Loving the work of local Progressive artist AnR (Melbourne) and internationals like Mat Zo and Orjan Nilsen

Demtown

Demtown said on the 3rd Feb, 2012

Trance is amazing! it literally puts you into this intense trance of happiness, and who wouldn't want to be in that?, i dont know what i would do if there were no trance. TRANCE IS A MUST! A YES! TRANCE IS LIFE!.

kevinth

kevinth said on the 3rd Feb, 2012

:slap: different strokes for different folks

lawlietskyy

lawlietskyy said on the 3rd Feb, 2012

Nobody listens to trance, you need to feel it - If you can't do that - Stick to recycled, cheap and easy to digest swedish-pop house or commercial sh*t like LMFAO

white_mitzi

white_mitzi said on the 3rd Feb, 2012

I remember the moment trance died. I was at 2tribes 2001 and someone had dumped a ministry of sound australia magazine on the ground. There was an article about trances iminent demise. And house is the new cool thing. It was right. And trance has been trying way too hard to be cool ever since.

Q. What was the cool decade of the 00's?
A. The 80's.


I'd have to agree with you Jules...whilst there have been many great moments since 2001, including lost pirates in random coburg warehouses, for me circa 2001-2002 I think trance had it's day.

In 1998, I upgraded my weekly club cycle of Revolver, Cheers, Wild Bills, Edgy, Goo and Twister to bigger events, namely Hardware gigs. Back then of course it was minimal tek. Wet Music @ Storey Hall etc
In between that of course we were at Capsule, Salt or Mansion for HellFire - oh deary for anyone who can remember how wild these gigs were. Salt was always good value with AVB or Tiesto for $10 on the door.

In 1999 Devilfish rocked Hardware 15, and in 2000 we saw Belfast 7 (almost snowed in Melb was that fkn cold), Kabuki & Trade with PVD, Hardware 17 with Laurent Garnier & Cari Lekebusc. Of course come the end of 2000 we saw the first Summadayze.

Somewhere between 2001's TwoTribes and Kabuki 4.0 in 2003 I think the bombardment from Gatecrasher, Hardware, Belfast, Perfecto, Trade, Slinky etc lost it for me. And of course during this period we saw popular events go national like TwoTribes & Summadayze.

In very recently seeing Kyau&Albert / Greg Downey (in Perth thank f*uck - I saw the muzzfuzz pics from their Melb shows), I'd say trance has migrated to trance / electro, with minimal drops. It's OhhhKaayyy....but nothing like the past.

I'm back into metal now, and psy. Doesn't bother me where the F trance goes.

Kiron

Kiron said on the 6th Feb, 2012

I honestly do feel that in the coming year or two real Trance is going to come back but with a very "dark" and psy sound attached to it, already we have had the first tastes of this with Askew, Digital Blonde, John 00 Fleming and Orkidea... but maybe that's just me as that is mainly the type of Trance that I have been listening too for the past couple of years.

Trance is also all about setting as well, for the big anthem dutch trance you need the big stadium, for progressive house/trance you need small intimate club gigs, for Psy you need warehouses or some dingy dark club or even better, the great outdoors. Without the proper setting, Trance just doesn't do it's job as an audio drug and put people into a Trance.

Much of the problem I think is DJ's trying to play the anthem stuff in the small clubs, which just doesn't work that well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRWh7NaeDlM
This is the style of Trance I believe we will be seeing in the coming year.



Nope.
The new generation of kids hate Trance because it's cool to hate on because people hated on Trance in the late 90s and early 00s, so if they want their oh so retro hipster cred, they have to hate on it even when they don't know what Trance is.

Oh how many times I've had some little hipster kid rag on Trance and when I ask them what Trance did they listen to they couldn't name a single artist aside from Tiesto.

Digitalgrub

Digitalgrub said on the 6th Feb, 2012

Ha, Kiron - is that sample from the Richard Dawkins doco on new age stuff? Also, that track sloooooooow compared to the prog I'm used to! (cool sounds though)

nocturnal_groova

nocturnal_groova said on the 26th Feb, 2012

If your talking about proper old school trance, the stuff which got me into edm, the stuff which Sasha & diggers were playing many moons ago when prog was essentially trance then hell yeah. If your talking armIn van burren and co then hell no, but whatever floats your boat.

Illuminatis - hope (Oliver lieb remix)
Melt - be liquid
dance 2 trance - we came in peace
Future sound of London - Papua new guinea
Moby - move (kid Paul remix)

Those tracks summarise what real trance is to me.

byme

byme said on the 29th Feb, 2012

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orangesmoothie

orangesmoothie said on the 3rd Mar, 2012

John 00 Fleming. Now THAT is trance.... The crap that gets released on armada and anjunabeats isn't trance.

By the way, the Trance and Progressive group on facebook is so biased towards Armada. It's like they are getting paid to promote their stuff when clearly there is so many nice trance tracks being released today by underground labels.

Brianjohnson07

Brianjohnson07 said on the 5th Mar, 2012

Definitely we should give chance to trance if he make us sure about he will improve his working skill. trance should work hard on it. They should take it to the chin. Music chance should attains to everyone. we should make it sure that they will not drop us down.