Do circle pits have a place in dance music?

On the flipside to Armstrong’s argument is a no-less-divisive breed of dancefloors, where no one’s nodding off. In fact, they’re ‘raging’. In place of ketamine there’s booze – or perhaps nothing more mood-enhancing than a burning desire to rage. In Armstrong’s example, the parties stretch for hours, deep into the morning, without much incident. In a mosh, it’s all incident. Each lurch in tempo is met by a frenzy of movement and the pay-offs come thick and fast. As a general rule, you probably don’t see many circle pits during slowburning six-hour sets.

While acts like The Prodigy and harder-edged electro can inspire a mosh mentality, its natural match seems to be the brash, hyperactive progeny of dubstep built for big rooms and 90-minute sets. It’s a sound that DJ/crooner James Blake laid into in an interview with The Boston Phoenix. “Certain producers – who I can’t even be bothered naming – have definitely hit upon a sort of frat-boy market where there’s this macho-ism being reflected in the sounds and the way the music makes you feel,” Blake said. “And to me, that is a million miles away from where dubstep started. It’s a million miles away from the ethos of it. It’s been influenced so much by electro and rave, into who can make the dirtiest, filthiest bass sound, almost like a pissing competition, and that’s not really necessary.” (Look up ‘brostep’ on Urban Dictionary and one of the definitions could double as a riposte to Blake: “New kids are destroying the dub scene with fun records you can actually dance to. They better all get off my lawn.”)

I asked US rising star Figure – whose specialities include dubstep and half-time drum & bass off-shoot drumstep – if he shares Nero’s observation about moshing. “I talk about this a lot,” he said. “I dig it, as long as people don’t get hurt. This isn’t a metal show. I don’t want girls punched in the face or something because a hard drop happened. It’s not for everyone, I guess, but I think of it as a sign that the person just couldn’t dance anymore. They had to freak out and flip out.”

So what is it in the music that causes the “freak-out”? “The space between the drums and the BPM in general in our ‘bass’ stuff really leads that on,” he continued. “At a Justice concert, it’d be hard to mosh to a 124-BPM song and be on beat. With the stuff I play like the half-time drum & bass, it has that same speed as metal. A lot of the patterns and the chops are the same as metal songs. It brings it out. Certain songs of mine that I consider to be my hardest, the patterns just don’t bring out the moshing in people. But others of mine with huge stabs over and over, syncopated perfectly with the drums, every time people will start to push each other around when I play them.

“The kids in America who would’ve been the new Marilyn Manson kids, they just turn into dubstep kids instantly now. Those are the kids who are diehard about it; who would’ve got tattoos in school of a band’s name on their neck, and it’s just the be-all and end-all.”

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grattan

grattan said on the 27th Apr, 2012

Can't wait for the brostep stage at Soundwave next year.

mitchpk

mitchpk said on the 27th Apr, 2012

At shows like Chase and Status, or the Prodigy, and even Skrillex and Nero - I've had a whole lot of fun in the 'mosh.' And even at metal and punk shows, the mosh is actually surprisingly friendly: you get knocked over, someone picks you up - some guy smacks you in the face, he'll come over and check on you at the end of the set. I'm sure not all are like this, but I think if the appropriate music and venue calls for it, then why not? The people who hate this kind of music shouldn't even be at these gigs so why do they care in the first place?

Tim D

Tim D said on the 27th Apr, 2012

Interesting topic JackieT

Heist9000

Heist9000 said on the 27th Apr, 2012

Is this the further de-volution of personal space at dance gigs?

sarahanne

sarahanne said on the 27th Apr, 2012

If Guetta remixed Lamb Of God I think this could happen.

C-Yee

C-Yee said on the 27th Apr, 2012

Interesting and cool.

Yeahmate

Yeahmate said on the 27th Apr, 2012

lack of MDMA and increase in amphetamines in pills is the answer... People are wired at festivals Now

Killfile

Killfile said on the 27th Apr, 2012

I actually did see some idiots start to mosh when ShockOne was playing at Villa last week. Bouncers shut that crap down quick smart.

xeonfuze

xeonfuze said on the 27th Apr, 2012

As a metalhead, this goes out to all fans of electronic music: Stick to your culture, and we'll stick to ours. Circle pits do not work well with your kind of music. They're both entirely different in how they evoke emotion, hence the reason why you respond differently (physically speaking). This idea is ridiculous, and it's not even a valid question. It's not even a matter of opinion, it's a matter of what works and what doesn't. Fair enough if you want to be a stupid fucking hipster and refuse to conform, but consider the phrase "the nail that sticks up gets hit with the hammer".

BMoney

BMoney said on the 27th Apr, 2012

pffft, show me a mnml circle pit and I'll consider it a thing.

thechunk

thechunk said on the 27th Apr, 2012

the word 'dance' music is getting pretty broad these days

i doubt its the BPM and more so the crowd that once listen to 'x' music now is dabbling in 'dance' music.
one thing is for certain, id like to see them keep up a moshpit at true dance event(9pm-6am) over these rock dance events (7:30-11pm)

sonicc

sonicc said on the 28th Apr, 2012



I prefer his mix of Cannibal Corpse Vs Bob Sinclar - Love Genocide (Fuck Me Im Brainless Mix)

Derp

angy

angy said on the 29th Apr, 2012

As a metal fan in my youth (and still today), I reckon a lot of the US style dubstep has a lot in common, in terms of its energy, with metal and hard rock. So I don't think your comments are entirely valid xeonfuze, I'd never wanna fucking mosh at a dance gig, but it's not totally hard for me to understand.

Morecowbell

Morecowbell said on the 30th Apr, 2012

I feel like the 'festivalisation' of dance music has contributed to this. Bunches of near-naked, 'roided-out sweaty dudes getting heavy handed with each other. It's as bad as it sounds. This is why I love deep and tech house and techno. People instinctively know how to dance to it. Your personal space is respected accordingly.

consensualrapist

consensualrapist said on the 30th Apr, 2012

Couldn't agree more with what james blake had to say about bro-step, but it's not the music's fault for the way people react. At the end of the day people are shitty at people, because people are shitty.

anneliese123

anneliese123 said on the 30th Apr, 2012

Watching UKF's live stream of Noisia right now, this article is all too relevant. Interesting phenomenon...

Royal

Royal said on the 30th Apr, 2012



Perhaps you should remind your metal bretheren whom seem to think they can now make electronic dance music to go back to where they came from then.

Anyway, moshing is for people who have no rhythm and can't dance.

Twizard

Twizard said on the 1st May, 2012

I think it depends on the genre of the dance music. Like at the dubstep stages you can definitely see some people head banging and jumping around. I always love the mosh and even at dance festivals when you get deep enough in people are moshing, getting into it and that's a really good energy to be around.

Don't think they will be starting any walls of death at ASOT though.

polite_society

polite_society said on the 1st May, 2012

Heavy music is heavy music, doesn't matter if it's guitars or a square wave.

Also I think people are EDM gigs (especially since the mdma was cut off) are generally ruder and more agressive than metal gigs. Just sayin'.

Three Paper

Three Paper said on the 2nd May, 2012

Its not fun for more than a little while but when you love the music heavy or not you got to get in there. Stuff what anyone else thinks.

Phesath

Phesath said on the 2nd May, 2012

I tend to agree with polite_society. From my experience, people at EDM concerts are a lot ruder/agressive than a metal gig.

talinacruz

talinacruz said on the 3rd May, 2012

Mosh pits are one of the great joys of life. Any where, any time the music and crowd takes you there. Watching that clip sends shivers down my spine reminding me of some epic mosh pit circle moments in my life. In my opinion, there is nothing worse than a static, fucked up crowd staring at the DJ and not interacting with anyone else. Mosh pits bring people together and produce an electrifying energy, totally fitting to any genre of music that evokes it.

clemyobon

clemyobon said on the 3rd May, 2012

At FMF 12 in Sydney there was a few circle pits throughout Zane lowe, knife party and porter robinson. they were fuckin awesome haha.

Bokhead

Bokhead said on the 4th May, 2012

LOL Dubstep is about anger and hate and is more like metal than other EDM? Well then I am just gonna stop playing Dutch Hardcore and Terrorcore and jump right on the bandwagon :P

rdalt13

rdalt13 said on the 5th May, 2012

Usually Im fine with tight packed dance events, because everyone is supposed to be there for their love of music. But these days edm has attracted way too many mainstreamers.

I was in a fucking crazy mosh at skrillex at future (not a circle though), and being a small girl, i and every other girl was focusing on not getting crushed to death rather than having a good time. The men were all too off their face to even notice that people were getting hit. Whatever happened to PLUR

Johbremat

Johbremat said on the 6th May, 2012

Is the cost of entry to a "circle pit" a wad of tissues in each pocket?

RunningWithScissors

RunningWithScissors said on the 8th May, 2012

what the fuck is a circle pit

B_e_de

B_e_de said on the 9th May, 2012

How are you meant to 'mosh' in time to Brostep exactly?