PDA

View Full Version : Review: The Italian Job (Original)


Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 09:59am
The Italian Job (Original) (1969). "Directed" by Peter Collinson. "Written" by Troy Kennedy-Martin.

This film was one of the worst films I've seen.

You know, I was actually talking to my television, telling lead actor Michael Caine to "shut the fu8k up" with his hateful cockney accent and smarmy I'm-better-than-you attitude and wooden dental structure, on NUMEROUS occasions. Had the film ended with a "Get Carter"-esque sniper rifle shot to his head, I would've raised both arms in triumph and increased my rating of the film greatly (well... I would have doubled it). Dammit, I thought Ben Affleck sucked in movies. Michael Caine in full flight? Worse.

How did this movie garner enough support for the almost infinitely superior remake(ish) film released in 2003? Let's talk about how much better THAT movie was, without necessarily even being classed as a very good movie:

1. The remake had an ensemble cast that was more than simply "cockney accents 1 through 9" for one thing. In the remake, each character had a distinct job as well as being quite different-looking (a tall dude with stubble, a black guy with explosives and a dodgey bike, a weedy white kid with laptop, a Mark Wahlberg). In the original, you had Michael Caine and the other Benny Hill. And sure, one of the cockney accents wore a beret. But the other eight? Identically inconsequential.

2. The remake had Charlize Theron in it. This one had one miscellaneous brunette, and she was sent home after she proved to be a complete moron.

3. The remake had Edward Norton in it. At least Edward Norton was an antagonist. The original movie didn't even have that. The crime was effectively victimless.

Other than that, the movie left spurious plotholes and gaps in decent plotting aplenty, like little trails of urine from a badly housetrained puppy.

For instance:

1. Why did Michael Caine need funding for the plan? He didn't have his own contacts?
2. Also, he inherited the plan. No hard work, it was all done for him.
3. How did Michael Caine and co suddenly end up in a palatial house in Turin anyway?
4. After they go nuts and attack the truck carrying the gold, and drive the truck into a church/warehouse (?), why do random passersby chase after them rather than getting the hell out of the way of the masked dudes with weapons? Mob psychology generally says you move AWAY from gunfire.
5. The training montage involved one truck being blown up so that Michael Caine could shout at the Cockney Accent Troupe.
6. Sure, casting comedian Benny Hill as a computer expert with a fetish for fat ladies was a stroke of genius for casting against type (ummm..). And, sure, back then computers were so strange and mysterious that I'm certain nobody in 1969 realised that 'Britain's foremost computer expert' was being hired to do little more than replace one ancient tape-driven disc with another, a task so tricky that its modern equivalent could be performed by a 3 year old. But still. Lame.
7. And if the entire city was gridlocked because of the traffic jam our "heroes" "caused", then where did those police cars come from that showed up at the church not minutes after the robbery? What happened here?
8. And what was the relevance of the Mafia dude who shoots up Caine's cars when he ambushes the group in the mountains? No, really. If he was a rival, why didn't he have a group going for the gold? If he was a corrupt defender of the gold, why weren't there more security protecting the truck?
9. And did anybody ever bother to figure out what that thing was that they were putting in rubbish bins to provide interference so that police traffic cameras would be disabled? Were they "shoddy essence of plot device the writer came up with on the toilet" or something actually plausible? Because I suspect the former. And the screenwriting still stunk.

Oh, and I'm just going to bypass the entire physics-defying, brain-numbing, badly acted stupidity of the part at the end where the getaway bus with the gold is precariously balanced on a cliff, threatening the death of everyone.

Actually, no, I'm not. Look, I'm not asking for too much in my movies where plausibility is concerned. All I care about is that playground physics are adhered to.

The thing with the gold and the bus has to do with weight distribution. If something balances when everyone is evenly spread, it'll balance even more advantageously for survival when everyone moves to one end (the part not near the cliff). Here, everyone moves away from the cliff and only afterwards does the gold slides away from them. How?? And then Michael Caine alone crawls back and THEN the gold slides even more! Of course when (a mere five minutes earlier) the maniac driving the bus was weaving his way around the mountain's winding roads and everyone inside was flailing from side to side, the gold was completely immobile and unmoving. Asinine.

What kind of equilibrium is this? Note to the writers : you don't need a physics degree, you just need to know how a goddamn playground see-saw works.

This movie was smarmy, self-satisfied, gave me no characters to like, no enemies to rail against (or even support, for that matter), gave me no decent acting, and in doing made me dislike Mini Coopers forever (well ....... only for a millisecond, they really are fantastic cars). The car chases were idiotic anyway, they were just excuses for Michael Caine to tell people to shut up while driving. I hated this movie almost from beginning to end, and I'd been having a fine new year up until this point.

I don't care about the "cool" retro zeitgeist, I don't care about the sixties, and I don't care that the only thing movie gave the moviegoing public of the day was a chance to laugh at Italians. And I entirely dispute the internet movie database, which claims this is a "comic caper". Ain't no way this is a comedy, I laughed less here than I did in Happy Gilmore or Deuce Bigalow, and they were less than three laughs each.

This movie sucked utterly. I give it 1 out of 10. The 1 comes for the theft of the Pakistani ambassador's limo. The movie doesn't show the theft, just a one-liner and the Pakistani flag. It's about 4 minutes into the film, and I should have stopped watching there.

SpaceMonkey
17-Jan-06, 10:02am
The original had better minis though.

In fact therein lies your answer as to why the original was remade at all- the remake was basically one big feature length advertisement for the new mini financed by BMW. That it also happened to be a reasonable movie is almost beside the point.

custaro
17-Jan-06, 10:07am
:lol: Fabmacca... you really hated it, didn't you?

The original Italian Job is one of my favourite films of all time. I think you took it all a little too seriously.

Granted, it's not side-splittingly funny, but it's not meant to be.

And if you really think the remake was a good film... you need help :p

Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 10:18am
:lol: Fabmacca... you really hated it, didn't you?

The original Italian Job is one of my favourite films of all time. I think you took it all a little too seriously.

Granted, it's not side-splittingly funny, but it's not meant to be.

And if you really think the remake was a good film... you need help :p

Yes I really really did hate it - I think I had my grumpy pants on that day.

You're damn right it's not side splittingly funny, I wouldn't even call it "amusing". It's certainly not a "comic caper".

And I don't think that the remake was a good film, it's just an infinitely better one than this movie.

:p

I think I'll calm down now

Cosmica
17-Jan-06, 10:22am
Great film, a classic.

Spitchen
17-Jan-06, 10:28am
:lol: You can tell Mike ain't English. :p

If you're English then you love this film!

qoop
17-Jan-06, 10:31am
well, the 'sequel' to "The Italian Job (http://imdb.com/title/tt0317740/)" is coming out later this year
- The Brazilian Job (http://imdb.com/title/tt0427396/) (2006)

Credited cast:
Mark Wahlberg .... Charlie Croker
Charlize Theron .... Stella Bridger
Jason Statham .... Handsome Rob
Seth Green .... Lyle
Mos Def .... Left Ear



but without Edward Norton.

findshorty
17-Jan-06, 11:10am
Yes I really really did hate it - I think I had my grumpy pants on that day.

You're damn right it's not side splittingly funny, I wouldn't even call it "amusing". It's certainly not a "comic caper".

And I don't think that the remake was a good film, it's just an infinitely better one than this movie.

:p

I think I'll calm down now
you're obviously mental.

its an absolute classic, in fact i might go and watch the dvd again this arvo!

nettsu
17-Jan-06, 11:17am
well, the 'sequel' to "The Italian Job (http://imdb.com/title/tt0317740/)" is coming out later this year
- The Brazilian Job (http://imdb.com/title/tt0427396/) (2006)

Credited cast:
Mark Wahlberg .... Charlie Croker
Charlize Theron .... Stella Bridger
Jason Statham .... Handsome Rob
Seth Green .... Lyle
Mos Def .... Left Ear



but without Edward Norton.

I think this is just more proof that there is no originality left in hollywood...

lets remake a movie
oh it does well
we need a sequel

aka
Oceans11
Oceans12
Oceans13

:|

Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 11:35am
you're obviously mental.

its an absolute classic, in fact i might go and watch the dvd again this arvo!

Good for you! Then you can explain why it is such a classic and why I am so obviously mental.

I look forward to your review

midian
17-Jan-06, 11:44am
you're obviously mental.


^^^ what he said :P

Cosmica
17-Jan-06, 11:48am
all remakes have been absolutely shite in the last few years.

Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 11:52am
^^^ what he said :P

Hey I'm happy to be proved wrong (or mental as the case may be) but just stating something doesn't make it so.

Can anyone please explain why I am so wide off the mark with this movie.

findshorty
17-Jan-06, 11:55am
Good for you! Then you can explain why it is such a classic and why I am so obviously mental.

I look forward to your review
you're mental because you clearly take the film (and i imagine films in general) too seriously, and use pretentious terms like "zeitgeist" (obviously in the hope that readers of your review will somehow think you know what you're talking about or that you've got a degree in "film studies").

you probably don't like star wars because of its dodgy physics, and whats with those explosions in space??? how come they make a noise??? thats so "Asinine"!

etc. etc.

on the other hand i'm really not that arsed you don't like this film, and can't be bothered explaining why this film is a classic, in the same way "escape to victory" is a classic, or "the ladykillers"

if you don't get it, you're clearly not a pom and you never will get it. your loss!

custaro
17-Jan-06, 11:55am
Did you even get a modicum of enjoyment out of Noel Coward's character fabmacca?

da-da da-da-da da-da-da-da BRIDGER!!! :D

Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 01:26pm
you're mental because you clearly take the film (and i imagine films in general) too seriously, and use pretentious terms like "zeitgeist" (obviously in the hope that readers of your review will somehow think you know what you're talking about or that you've got a degree in "film studies").

you probably don't like star wars because of its dodgy physics, and whats with those explosions in space??? how come they make a noise??? thats so "Asinine"!

etc. etc.

on the other hand i'm really not that arsed you don't like this film, and can't be bothered explaining why this film is a classic, in the same way "escape to victory" is a classic, or "the ladykillers"

if you don't get it, you're clearly not a pom and you never will get it. your loss!

Nah you've got me all wrong, I've gotten into writing reviews, I like writing them and so, in order to make the review a little more meaningful, I tend to cast a critical eye over things

I don't take movies that seriously (I know that it's just people pretending to be/do something.) I do take my entertainment seriously though. So if I'm not entertained I like to explain why in my reviews.

BTW I like Star Wars (episodes 4-6) as well as a whole bunch of movies that don't make sense when compared to reality. This one I don't like for reasons stated earlier

If you like what I don't, bully for you! I'm sure I love things that you hate. That doesn't make either you or I mental. Viva La Differance etc etc etc

To take your other point, if you have to be a certain nationality to "get" a movie then I question the quality of it. Good movies tend to have universal themes that can be appreciated by anyone regardless of where they come from.

You are right though, I'm not a Pom ........... I'm still struggling to work out why this is my loss :)

PS Custaro - nah I didn't really like any of the characters. But I was so bitter and twisted over by the movie overall that the few of the positives probably passed me by

nettsu
17-Jan-06, 01:39pm
PS Custaro - nah I didn't really like any of the characters. But I was so bitter and twisted over by the movie overall that the few of the positives probably passed me by

so wouldn't your reviews then be skewed?

as a reviewer shouldn't you find the good as well as the bad?

try to watch something objectively?

findshorty
17-Jan-06, 02:00pm
...

You are right though, I'm not a Pom ........... I'm still struggling to work out why this is my loss :)

...
as all poms know, our souls are fundamentally purer than everyone elses, and the coolness of our culture can only be understood, and therefore appreciated properly by ourselves :thumb:

Lambretta
17-Jan-06, 02:04pm
You are right though, I'm not a Pom ........... I'm still struggling to work out why this is my loss :)
This is only something you understand if you are actually English.

We take pride in our history, as lurid and as rotten as it probably was at times.

We gave the world government, we gave the world television, we gave the world football, we gave the world kicking the shit out of the French because they have silly accents, we gave the world the clap (probably) and we also gave the world a sense of our own superiority. In short we gave the world things it should be happy about.

We also take pride in our sense of humour. So this film probably isn't funny, but Monty Python sure as shit was, so was Fawlty Towers and Blackadder and the Young Ones and a thousand other silly tv shows.

Being English means coming from a tiny little country that changed the world in a thousand ways and continues to provide little things the world can be proud of, such as well errrr, errrr, Baked Beans and HP Sauce.

Yes our car industry, once the third largest manufacturer of cars in the world has gone, sure our Empire no longer exists, but it's been replaced a free commonwealth of countries that trade together peacefully and every 4 years holds a little games event that runs a poor third to other athletic events. Yes we no longer have a united group of countries banded together under one national identity, but at least we don't spend our time killing each other, no matter how much we really want to. Have you ever met someone from Glasgow? Not killing them means we should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, but being English we don't make a big song and dance about it. That's our national reserve right there.

So whilst we aren't as great as we used to be, we're a pretty decent bunch of people all up and remember, if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking French and no one in America, New Zealand, the UK, 75% of Canada or anyone in Asia would be able to understand you. So please be thankful.

Oh, if you did speak French, you'd probably get laid a bit more cos their accent is dead sexy. Well it is on the chicks anyway. But you take the good with the bad dont you?

;)

PS. We also gave the world contradicting ourselves and then ignoring the fact. ie that French accents are both a reason to kick someones head in and a reason to shag someone.

findshorty
17-Jan-06, 02:18pm
This is only something you understand if you are actually English.

We take pride in our history, as lurid and as rotten as it probably was at times.

We gave the world government, we gave the world television, we gave the world football, we gave the world kicking the shit out of the French because they have silly accents, we gave the world the clap (probably) and we also gave the world a sense of our own superiority. In short we gave the world things it should be happy about.

We also take pride in our sense of humour. So this film probably isn't funny, but Monty Python sure as shit was, so was Fawlty Towers and Blackadder and the Young Ones and a thousand other silly tv shows.

Being English means coming from a tiny little country that changed the world in a thousand ways and continues to provide little things the world can be proud of, such as well errrr, errrr, Baked Beans and HP Sauce.

Yes our car industry, once the third largest manufacturer of cars in the world has gone, sure our Empire no longer exists, but it's been replaced a free commonwealth of countries that trade together peacefully and every 4 years holds a little games event that runs a poor third to other athletic events. Yes we no longer have a united group of countries banded together under one national identity, but at least we don't spend our time killing each other, no matter how much we really want to. Have you ever met someone from Glasgow? Not killing them means we should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, but being English we don't make a big song and dance about it. That's our national reserve right there.

So whilst we aren't as great as we used to be, we're a pretty decent bunch of people all up and remember, if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking French and no one in America, New Zealand, the UK, 75% of Canada or anyone in Asia would be able to understand you. So please be thankful.

Oh, if you did speak French, you'd probably get laid a bit more cos their accent is dead sexy. Well it is on the chicks anyway. But you take the good with the bad dont you?

;)

PS. We also gave the world contradicting ourselves and then ignoring the fact. ie that French accents are both a reason to kick someones head in and a reason to shag someone.
i concur

Fabmacca
17-Jan-06, 02:23pm
so wouldn't your reviews then be skewed?

as a reviewer shouldn't you find the good as well as the bad?

try to watch something objectively?

I do try, but as a human being I am a slave to my own bias

jdoodle
17-Jan-06, 02:45pm
This is only something you understand if you are actually English.

We take pride in our history, as lurid and as rotten as it probably was at times.

We gave the world government, .

here i was thinking it was the greeks
you gave other countries a bottom level to compare themselves to on so many levels


on track as a rule i dont like remakes, and i didnt like this one, the original was the best

indie_doll
17-Jan-06, 05:38pm
OMFG!!!

This is one of my fav films of All time.
Yes, i have a copy, and yes i watch it all the bloody time.

10/10

Lambretta
17-Jan-06, 11:16pm
here i was thinking it was the greeks
you gave other countries a bottom level to compare themselves to on so many levels

Is that a reference to bum jokes? Because we did give the world bum jokes.

Actually a National Government wasn't a Greek invention. Greece was a seperate group of nations led by different ruling families and systems. Sparta for instance had a totally different style of government from Athens etc.

The modern form of government was born in Britain, or at least democratic government was.

You might be quick to condem England, but it's scientists and thinkers have done much for society today. The industrial revolution, large leap forwards in science and technology all came from Britain, as did much of the morals and law upon which Australia is founded.

Don't forget that Australia was founded as an Anglo Saxon country and much of its morals, ethics and law are based upon those of Britain.

If you love Australia, then Britain cant be all bad.

Lambretta
17-Jan-06, 11:17pm
PS Fabmacca.

You might want to watch "Alfie" which stars Michael Caine.

It was one of his better films and pisses all over the re-make starring Jude Law.

risk
17-Jan-06, 11:29pm
you just blew my fucking doors off, me old mucker.

gravy
17-Jan-06, 11:48pm
the weird thing about the english is that the things in life they appreciate are so simple - like a nice cup of tea, chips or baked beans with every dish, deep fried fish, a game in which no-one scores, house music. give them something with a little flavour, a little excitement, and they're repulsed.

so i guess fabmacca you can never ever get a movie like The Italian Job, because you just don't have the ability to revel in gloom and drearyness.

gravy
17-Jan-06, 11:54pm
add to that list: a game which goes for 5 days, which can end with no result, and everyone wears white.

not to mention that when all of europe was discovering the new world in search of spices, all the english really sought was tea. and then, when they were in debt to china for all the tea they'd drunk, their solution was to give the chinese a far more interesting product - opium.