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dilly dally
23-Jan-06, 03:21pm
A writer's very interesting take on the new Johnny Cash movie. very entertaining I thought!

“I’m I fell into a burning ring of fire…
I went down and the flames went higher…
And I found out Da Da Da DA… ”


HOLLYWOOD’S LACK OF REALISM AND ORIGINALITY:
A Postmodern Rhetoric Garble
By Marcus James McQuade

"Hello, I'm Johnny Cash."

When Joaquin Phoenix utters those famous lines in the film, you almost believe he is Johnny Cash. Of course we know he’s not, because the real Johnny Cash died almost 3 years ago. No disrespect to Phoenix is intended either; he accomplishes something similar to what Jamie Foxx did in his star making turn last year as Ray Charles in Ray.
He manages to channel a singer whose distinctive style seems inimitable. And he does it brilliantly. Phoenix's performance enables the film to convincingly convey Johnny Cash - his look, his mannerisms, and his voice. Hats off to you Joaquin. You deserve an Oscar.

But what’s next to come out of Hollywood? A Rock-n-Roll history of the life and times of Michael Jackson? Who would want to play Mr. Billy-crotch-grabbing-moon-walking Jean any way? I mean. I can’t imagine Jamie Fox would want to forgo his post Oscar life and career to portray the reclusive child (?) living inside a closed off Neverland surrounded by “Yes Sir!” people. And Joaquin Phoenix is the wrong color, isn’t he?

Wait just a second, Michael Jackson’s not dead yet. Doh!

“Would it still sell tickets though?” One can almost hear movie producers in California asking them selves this question. As for my movie idea about immortalizing Michael Jackson on film, it’s thrown into the trash. I guess pedophilia accusations and acquittals don’t sell well, except maybe on FOX.

While they slowly sip lattés and scoff at how much money these dead Rock-n-Roll stars are making them. I’m left sitting here holding a ticket stub thinking maybe I was duped. For like of most of us - I am a victim of marketing and nobody markets a movie better than Hollywood. Was this just a ruse to get me to spend my hard earned money? I mean. I never even liked Johnny Cash any way. Oh, he was Great Musically and his induction into the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame was well earned. But let’s face it; does he deserve a 2-hour movie? I’ll let you be the judge of that. It was bad enough for me as a child to grow up suffering the monotonic baritones of the man from my father. In retrospect I recall now my inner apprehension as I walked into the movie theater. “My father used to listen to this man.”




Now that I have seen the movie I just have one question or maybe two or three. How many more of these “Let’s Celebrate The Dead Rock Star Movies” must we be forced to endure? Is the resurgent interest in rock-n-roll realism the inevitable consequence of postmodern artistic, theoretical and moral bankruptcy? Is it not the last refuge of the desperate?

My god! It’s almost worse than public TV. The way they bludgeon us with their attempt at a postmodern realistic reality with what they call “Reality TV.” I swear to God if I see one more episode of Survivor - I’ll scream! And can someone please explain what the heck “Big Brother “ was all about?

Have we turned into gerbils? Does no-one care any more about the consistency of continuity or the lack of originality that seems to have permeated Hollywood like an evil stench these days? Where am I to go to satisfy my craving for unique original entertainment? It seems that even Peter Jackson, that man - who for a brief period in my life, epitomized the definition of unique, has succumbed to Hollywood. Don’t get me started on King Kong?

Has any body tuned into the fact that Hollywood and movie makers alike, and yes that includes the independent labels as well, is lacking a touch of originality of late. Screenplay writers, are they suffering a universal writer’s block or what? I think they are and there is not rockabilly thing we can do about it. Short of going out and writing our own movie, having it produced and made and maybe even having Jamie Foxx star. Because we all know - Johnny Cash is not the only dead member of the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame.

And why haven’t we seen a life and times of John Lennon? He’s been dead longer than Ray Charles and Johnny Cash put together. Oh that’s right, Michael Jackson own the rights to most of the Beatles songs. Doesn’t he? So if they do decide to make a movie about John Lennon – Do you think can I audition for the part of Ringo?

Well, until that movie script gets bashed around Hollywood, I guess this little moviegoer will just have to be satisfied with his DVD collection. Be happy in the knowledge that he can scan his collection and relive those moments, flitting, as they were, when originality reigned supreme in Hollywood.

That or I can hope and pray to the owners of FOX that the Simpson’s will never ever stopped being made. It makes me laugh! What kind of world do I live in where a 30 minute weekly cartoon offers more original entertainment than a 2-hour multi-million dollar production ever could?

Perhaps one day Screenwriter’s will wake up and smell the stale stench of regurgitation and will seek out our forgiveness for the past few years of boredom that they have forced us to tolerate. Perhaps there will be a time when originality will be the flavor of the times and should anyone ever again suggest a “Rock-n-Roll” history movie than they too will think about reaching for the shotgun and blowing that idea straight back in to the burning ring of fire.

Moviegoers unite; let’s do away with this bandwagon of regurgitation!

Afro thunder
23-Jan-06, 03:26pm
---> media forum

datakid
23-Jan-06, 05:37pm
i notice that a lot of people can diss cinema on the internet, but few have done anything better themselves.

Gruso
23-Jan-06, 06:16pm
Who does this guy write for? I hope they don't pay him. All he has done is waffle on about some imagined Michael Jackson scenario and his hate of Hollywood, with poorly written paragraphs that only served to set himself up for his own lame punchlines. The review is nothing but self indulgent filler.

Don't disrespect Johnny Cash, you know-nothing fuckhead. :mad:

mikeynom
23-Jan-06, 06:18pm
Oh that’s right, Michael Jackson own the rights to most of the Beatles songs.
[center][/left] Didn't he sell them to Sony after his trial??

webmeister
23-Jan-06, 06:39pm
i notice that a lot of people can diss cinema on the internet, but few have done anything better themselves.

Does this mean you don't criticise anything that you couldn't do better yourself? You're either a marketer's dream come true, or someone who holds a highly inflated opinion of their abilities.

Not that I particularly agree with the article, but your post is just asinine.

dilly dally
23-Jan-06, 06:58pm
Who does this guy write for? I hope they don't pay him. All he has done is waffle on about some imagined Michael Jackson scenario and his hate of Hollywood, with poorly written paragraphs that only served to set himself up for his own lame punchlines. The review is nothing but self indulgent filler.

Don't disrespect Johnny Cash, you know-nothing fuckhead. :mad:

hidden agenda?

how old are you?....you missed the articles point.
naar naar nar nar naaaar! i can read better than you ;-)

gravy
23-Jan-06, 09:00pm
i'm with the reviewer. biopics, remakes, and book adaptations are the norm for movies these days. i'll give book adaptations a wider licence because there is something creative coming from them, despite most adaptations being fairly poor.

where is the original screenwriting? stories that are made for the screen?

Gruso
23-Jan-06, 09:49pm
hidden agenda?

how old are you?....you missed the articles point.
naar naar nar nar naaaar! i can read better than you ;-)Hidden agenda? :lol: Do you think that I have some affiliation with the makers of this movie, and that by discrediting an amateur review on a dance music website I hope to minimise the damage done at the box office?

Regardless of his opinions, it is written poorly, and it is full of self indulgent filler. If I had any agenda, it would be to keep crap like that from being published.

the KZA
23-Jan-06, 09:54pm
I feel your point young gravelz, but to tell you the truth, I'm thinking FUCK original scriptwriting in mainstream Hollywood. Biopics are marketable AND interesting, as opposed to just marketable.

Non-Fiction is the only section in bookstores and libraries that are worthwhile nowadays. Who gives a shit about random prick's imaginations in this day and age? Rare is the lovely maggot who has someting decent to say. Johnny Cash is the kind of character these fools are too bland to write, ditto Ray and MJ. FUCK ALL NON-BIOPIC HOLLYWOOD PRODUCT I SAY!!

dilly dally
23-Jan-06, 10:06pm
Hidden agenda? Do you think that I have some affiliation with the makers of this movie, and that by discrediting an amateur review on a dance music website I hope to minimise the damage done at the box office?

Regardless of his opinions, it is written poorly, and it is full of self indulgent filler. If I had any agenda, it would be to keep crap like that from being published.
so, tis a question of jelousy then?
Just because you don't understand something gruso doesn't mean it's better than you.
Jesus loves you just as much as everybody else, you are just as special ok.

gravy
23-Jan-06, 10:41pm
I feel your point young gravelz, but to tell you the truth, I'm thinking FUCK original scriptwriting in mainstream Hollywood. Biopics are marketable AND interesting, as opposed to just marketable.

Non-Fiction is the only section in bookstores and libraries that are worthwhile nowadays. Who gives a shit about random prick's imaginations in this day and age? Rare is the lovely maggot who has someting decent to say. Johnny Cash is the kind of character these fools are too bland to write, ditto Ray and MJ. FUCK ALL NON-BIOPIC HOLLYWOOD PRODUCT I SAY!!
*shrugs*

charlie kaufman is a good screenwriter.

to be honest, i find biographies to be pretty dull. most people's lives aren't that interesting, or if they are they're with the usual childhood or lifelong challenge that built the person into what they are and made them famous. it's almost formulaic.

NIK-O-LAKI
24-Jan-06, 12:56am
I'm with Gruso. Poorly written and badly constructed arguments. He implies that Hollywood is going over the top with these dead rock-n-roll star movies yet he give only one other example - Ray Charles. It is clearly a rant that just wants to slag Hollywood and Michael Jackson and well he just repeats himself. If anything I thought was more of an overkill in Hollywood today is the ridiculous amount of remakes coming out in the last 5 years.

And another thing (i don't wanna go on a rant here :P), I'm yet to meet someone who wants the Simpsons to continue - most of the opinion it should have finished years ago in the glory years.

gravy
24-Jan-06, 01:20am
despite the quality of writing of the article, he has a point. hollywood's been about remakes for quite a while, so a rally against that is pointless.

the stories of musicians (or artists in general) are fucking dull. so you suffered for 40 years of your life and it came through your music? big deal. some people suffer and don't even get to be creative, or as self-indulgent as most musicians. they just suffer and die.

plus, ray charles and johnny cash are both fairly famous, recently dead celebrities. these movies are cashing in harder than the managers of Tupac's estate.

dilly dally
24-Jan-06, 05:24am
And another thing (i don't wanna go on a rant here ), I'm yet to meet someone who wants the Simpsons to continue - most of the opinion it should have finished years ago in the glory years.

R U serious?????? a lot of people I know only ever turn on their TV to watch the simpsons!

Gotti
24-Jan-06, 08:20am
i agree with that, and DILLY do you have a link to this article? Does this bloke have any credibility or is it some bored bastards blog

nrjize
24-Jan-06, 10:00am
i notice that a lot of people can diss cinema on the internet, but few have done anything better themselves.A lot of people on here also dis TV and Government but just like film they can't do any better as they don't have the money behind them to make it happen.

Davomaxi
24-Jan-06, 10:13am
haha this is heated. I like the article even though it's not that well written. I agree there is too much cra in Hollywood, even for Hollywood. Atleast with 'Walk the Line' they got semi-creative with the title and resisted calling it 'Cash'.

dilly dally
24-Jan-06, 10:54am
A lot of people on here also dis TV and Government but just like film they can't do any better as they don't have the money behind them to make it happen.

what are you implying? that the members of government use money to fence themselves off from all the other people in the country?

Gotti
24-Jan-06, 10:57am
DILLY DALLY answer my question

dilly dally
24-Jan-06, 11:18am
soz dude....impatient one aren't ya, lol.

he doesn't write on the net....not very computer savy i beleive, he writes reviews for expat news papers in southeast asia.

the point is not the writer either, the point is what the article says, yes there is an opinion in it but if you can overlook the opinion and see what he points out and then make your own understanding of the subject it does appear to be interesting imho.

just cause someone writes an opinionated review (don't they have to be??) doesn't mean you have to lash out at the writer, c'mon...that's just being narrow minded.

Gruso
24-Jan-06, 11:51am
The point he is making has been well made by many people. Everyone knows Hollywood is largely a recycling plant these days. Remakes of old movies, remakes of foreign movies, comic book adaptations, old TV series adaptations, most built around a similar formulaic plot.

I don't think a biography falls into the recycled category though, even if it has been adapted from a book. In the case of Johnny Cash, it's a valuable insight into someone who has contributed far more to the music industry than most people realise.

Dilly Dally, don't get too defensive about my attack on the writer. I'm not attacking you for liking it.

SpaceMonkey
24-Jan-06, 04:59pm
the stories of musicians (or artists in general) are fucking dull. so you suffered for 40 years of your life and it came through your music? big deal. some people suffer and don't even get to be creative, or as self-indulgent as most musicians. they just suffer and die.

Someone should adapt the Motley Crue bio as a film. Copious amounts of drug use, fucking and pretty much every flavour of depravity conceivable, much more fun to watch than some tortured artist shite.

ParisHilton
27-Jan-06, 04:49pm
Boring article, nothing terribly interesting about his point. He didnt like Walk The Line and thinks movies about dead musicians are pointless. Woopdy Doo.

Lady Lex
27-Jan-06, 04:59pm
I like Johnny Cash - always have and always will. When I found out he was an amphetamines addict, I somehow liked him more... dunno why. Listen to the lyrics of Sunday Mornin; Comin' Down. Take away 'Sunday' and add Tuesday and its prolly just as relevant to todays modern society :lol:


But yeh: I see the 'writer's (loosely applied) point.. somewhat. Everything old is new again.

maas
27-Jan-06, 05:18pm
I've watched the movie and i liked it.

i do agree with this reviewers comments about hollywood's lack of creativity, but he's missing the mark. the complaint should be directed at all the tv show remakes likes the dukes of hazzard, bewitched etc.

cash me in.

Diva M
28-Jan-06, 08:49pm
I went to see this today and thought it was great and the acting fantastic. I have to admit that I was ignorant to much of Johnny Cash's life and found that the movie dealt sensitively with his struggle with amphetamines addiction, his family difficulties, his love towards June Carter and his approach to music.

This rant is just one person's badly written bitch and whine regarding hollywood. If anything is a Groundhog day regurgitation, the content of that 'critique' is.

You don't like it = you don't pay to go see it. I found the film enjoyable, entertaining and informative, which is more than I can say for the above.

Anja
06-Feb-06, 05:03pm
I saw this film today, not expecting much. I knew nothing really of Johnny Cash except that a band I used to listen to a lot (The Jesus & Mary Chain) loved his stuff and covered a cpl of tracks I think....
Anyway, I was stunned at how good this was, Phoenix & Reese were brillinat, and sang their tunes. Go and see it, it's excellent!

Oh, and the poodles rant at the start? what was that? The majority of critics these days and their work is rubbish in my book!

dilly dally
06-Feb-06, 06:01pm
potty mouth

Anja
06-Feb-06, 09:31pm
Yous'a doody! Ya hear?!

beebop
06-Feb-06, 09:39pm
i saw this on the plan yesterday and i really liked it. but then i like johnny cash, reese and joaquin! regardless, it was a good movie :)

Diva M
07-Feb-06, 04:43pm
I like Reese as well and was really happy to see that she got the Golden Globe for it.

NIK-O-LAKI
11-Feb-06, 05:39pm
Farkin great movie. Amid fears of a cheesey love story (after being exposed to shithouse hollywood marketing in their TV ad) I was completely satisfied by the end. The climax to the love story was actually quite cool.

Anyway Phoenix played Cash so damn well considering he learnt the guitar and his vocals especially for the movie. Reece was brilliant and looked damn hot. Loved her attitude. Go see this movie ppl.

I might go see Bareback Mountain :P this week so I can decide who should get the Oscars.

kano350chevy
11-Feb-06, 06:15pm
I never even liked Johnny Cash any way. Oh, he was Great Musically and his induction into the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame was well earned. But let’s face it; does he deserve a 2-hour movie?

Of course he does, the man's a legend and 'Walk The Line' is a great watch for poeple that love or just don't know enough about him.

borrisGLOWSTICK
11-Feb-06, 07:21pm
Regardless of his opinions, it is written poorly, and it is full of self indulgent filler. If I had any agenda, it would be to keep crap like that from being published.
spot on

kenada
12-Feb-06, 06:10am
I don't think a biography falls into the recycled category though, even if it has been adapted from a book. In the case of Johnny Cash, it's a valuable insight into someone who has contributed far more to the music industry than most people realise.

Exactly what I was going to say. In addition to the fact that it's a great movie about the life of an even greater man.

Lambretta
12-Feb-06, 12:15pm
Dear Dilly Dally.

I have read the article above three times now and I cannot understand what the article writer doesn't like about the film.

In your own words, without cutting and pasting, can you explain to me why the reviewer thought that the film walked a narrow line as the thread title suggests.

You might want to use short words and keep your themes simple so I am to understand you.

Many thanks, Lamb.

FireAndRain
15-Feb-06, 10:52am
I quite liked Walk The Line. I'm not a fan of Johhny Cash specifically or country music in general, but I did enjoy the music - which was played quite a bit (nothing worth than a music movie without enough music: see Get Rich or Die Tryin' for a glaring example). Phoenix and Witherspoon were excellent, and I really liked the guy who played Jerry Lee Lewis as well.

Now, if we're lucky, they'll put out a sequel.

Lambretta
15-Feb-06, 11:07am
Dear Dilly Dally.

You have had almost a week and you still havent managed to communicate to me, in simple terms why the writer didnt like the film.

Are you unable to do so?

If so, it probably means that you dont understand what they were talking about.

You may wish to note for future reference, that when you say something is good, or bad, or average, you might want to have some examples to back up why you think this is so.

He vaguely alludes to the fact that making a movie along the lines of movies made before ie a biography of someones life, who played music, lacks originality. If this is the logic, then we should no longer make Westerns as they've been done, no romantic comedies, no more stories about unusual characters, no more sad films, no more happy films, no more war films, no more anti war films, no more anything. We may be able to make a film about internet nerds, as I'm not sure that has been done, or maybe a film about reading telephone directories, but you run out of ideas quite quickly dont you?

In fact, other than that, and ranting about other musicians he doesnt think they should make films about, the author of the article doesn't give one reason why he thought the film was bad. Oh hold on, he felt awkward because his dad like Johnny Cash. What a fucking genius.

The author of this article had nothing whatsoever to say and yet managed to take up a page saying it. In future, you might want to actually think about what people are saying before you hold their words as interesting.

They are actually anything but.