Cyclists Piss me Off

[vaskh0e]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/02/22/1140284094573.html

Road rage scare for cycling champ

By David Braithwaite
February 22, 2006 - 2:54PM

A man has been charged after allegedly trying to run down a group of cyclists in a road rage incident in Sydney's south.

An argument broke out after the 50-year-old man allegedly almost hit a group of about 20 cyclists on General Holmes Drive in Brighton-Le-Sands shortly before 6am AEDT yesterday as he drove out of a service station, police said.

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I hate how cyclists expect to be treated respectfully, and become a member of the road just like any other vehicle...but then find that it is okay, to travel in middle of a freeway, middle lane at their own pace, and even more so then..swerve in and out of traffic, through red lights, up onto the footpath, and then back out onto the road again.

Grrrr.

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[BumblingBee]

:boring: been done to death this topic :boring:

[krafty_x]

Well. The law states they have the same use of the road as everybody ele.

The pace they go at is the pace a bike travels.

IF it's on a freeway there should be other lanes to utilise.

If they are swerving in and out of traffic unneccessarily and going through red lights they are breaking the rules just like any other motorist.

I'd say there are shit cyclists and shit drivers.

if everyone weren't so goddamn impatient in regard to getting from A to B it wouldn't be such a drama though.

k_x oxo

[gymboxer]

I will bite - it makes a change from yelling at cars....

just as there are cyclists who are bad, there are many drivers of motorised vehicals who are just as bad....and they are more deadly....

[bazza]

cyclists don't piss me off

[BumblingBee]

I'd say there are shit cyclists and shit drivers.

if everyone weren't so goddamn impatient in regard to getting from A to B it wouldn't be such a drama though.

k_x oxo

and that just about sums it up ;)

[boz-e]

road rage is just an excuse used by fuckwits to behave like arseholes

there's fuckwits in cars and there's fuckwits on bikes

this is clearly a case of a fuckwit in a car - not some need to hate all people on bikes

[bricktop712]

nothing infuriates like being caught behind a cyclist :mad:

[krafty_x]

Why are you in such an all fired hurry?

k_x oxo

[Kooky]

Doesn't matter what the law says, the politicians only want your votes , thet dont give a damn for cyclists safety so they will continue to promote cylists riding on roads even though none of them would be stupid enough to do it themselves

The majority of Cyclists constantly break road rules, slow down traffic flow & show a blatant disrespect for other road users, so its quite understandable why motorists get irritated.

A minor sector of Motorists break road rules.

If an accident occurs with a car and cylists the cyclist will always come off 2nd best with death a possibility. The motorist will usuually get off with a warning or plead ingnorant to not seeing the cylist.

Moral of the story is if you ride a bike on the road your an idiot

If your ride a bike on a major road in peak hour you got a death wish

[bricktop712]

i'm not. i just want to travel at a reasonable speed similar to the speeding limit.

some cyclists realise full well that they are holding up traffic yet insist on cycling in the middle of the road. that's just fukn nonsense!

i hate cyclists in that instance.

[findshorty]

Doesn't matter what the law says, the politicians only want your votes , thet dont give a damn for cyclists safety so they will continue to promote cylists riding on roads even though none of them would be stupid enough to do it themselves

The majority of Cyclists constantly break road rules, slow down traffic flow & show a blatant disrespect for other road users, so its quite understandable why motorists get irritated.

A minor sector of Motorists break road rules.

If an accident occurs with a car and cylists the cyclist will always come off 2nd best with death a possibility. The motorist will usuually get off with a warning or plead ingnorant to not seeing the cylist.

Moral of the story is if you ride a bike on the road your an idiot

If your ride a bike on a major road in peak hour you got a death wish
i agree!

lets ban bikes entirely and insist that everyone drive a big metal, energy guzzling death machine around our busy city centres!

ah bollocks to it

[krafty_x]

i'm not. i just want to travel at a reasonable speed similar to the speeding limit.

some cyclists realise full well that they are holding up traffic yet insist on cycling in the middle of the road. that's just fukn nonsense!

i hate cyclists in that instance.Go round them.

If you can't at that exact moment then wait until you can.

They don't ride in the middle of the road they ride in the middle of the lane because narrow tyres make it difficult to ride right in the gutter and there is the added danger of running into a suddenly opened car door.

It's not really the cyclists you should pissed at. They're just follwing the rules same as everyone else and there is no rule that states a bike has less right to a lane than a slow vehicle.

k_x oxo

[Kooky]

i agree!

lets ban bikes entirely and insist that everyone drive a big metal, energy guzzling death machine around our busy city centres!

ah bollocks to it


Sounds like you got a case of bikers rage , had one to many tomatoes dismember themselves on your back :lol: cheer up

Banning bikes would be absolutely stupid.
I enjoy riding my bike on bike paths provided , its alot safer for everyone.

[Kooky]

Go round them.

If you can't at that exact moment then wait until you can.

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It's not really the cyclists you should pissed at. They're just follwing the rules same as everyone else and there is no rule that states a bike has less right to a lane than a slow vehicle.

k_x oxo

Bollox, over take a bike rider. Pull up at a red light. Chances are they weave themselves through all the cars(illegal) and sit at the front of the pack. Meaning everyone that has just overtaken this arrogant/clueless (one or the other) has to over take once more.
Better still how many times have you seen them weave through the pack and ride straight though the redlight.



because narrow tyres make it difficult to ride right in the gutter and there is the added danger of running into a suddenly opened car door.

k_x oxo

Even more reason for not to ride your bike on the road.

Im sure most cyclists wern't given common sesne

[tim-e]

As a cyclist, motorists piss me off because by and large they don't notice cyclists and don't bother to be careful even when they do take notice.

As a motorist, I have consideration for cyclists, and take extra care when I am around them.

It's really not that hard. NOBODY is so important that they can't afford a few seconds to overtake or otherwise interact with a cyclist safely, with the exception of emergency services, who would have their sirens blaring and any cyclist with half a brain would get out of their way.

[Kooky]

any cyclist with half a brain .



Spot on.

Cyclists have to stop pretending there the only innocent victims on the roads or should I say statistics

[maxomillion]

If you cycle on the road your a f#!king champion. Respect :thumb:

[Kooky]

If you cycle on the road your a f#!king champion. Respect :thumb:


& good luck.

[liz_r]

Like everyone has said - it's as simple as the fact that you have crap drivers and crap cyclists.

I used to do a lot of cycling in Melbourne and I was pissed off by a large number of cyclists, both when cycling and driving. Just like you get drivers that speed, go too slowly, cut you off, swerve between lanes, show no respect etc. etc. you also have cyclists who do the same thing, not only to cars but also to cyclists around them.

The worse cyclists tend to be the "Sunday cyclists", those who make the occasional trip out, have no real skill or experience and mostly just don't know how to ride considerately (sort of like learner drivers can be!). Those of us who rode a few hundred kms a week generally were very aware of the cars around us and were very conscious to minimise our impact on the drivers around us.

It also goes the other way, though. Most of the things I have just said about cyclists can be applied to motorists too. I think a lot of the problem is also about education and awareness - cyclists have the same problems that motorcyclists have - motorists often underestimate the speed that cyclists travel at and don't check blind spots before changing lanes, the two things that seem to cause the most accidents.

I now live in Sydney and to be honest there is no way in hell that I would consider riding my bike on most of the roads here - and it's not because I'm worried about the other cyclists on the road...

[gymboxer]

anyone who gets as angry as some people here seem to be about cyclists probably should not be driving due to them being a danger to themselves and others on the road when unable to manage their own emotions.

Can i suggest professional help for anger management problems.

[Kooky]

The worse cyclists tend to be the "Sunday cyclists", ...

I totally disagree, Sunday cyclists respect other road users and never ride in peak hour traffic. Your being a total hipppocrit saying that cause your attitude towards Sunday cyclists is the same attitude you detest motorists having towards yourself!

Its the cyclists who pretend they are in the tour de France that have the attitude problem. They are more concerned with the time on there stop watch than road rules or safety, usually in peak hour traffic mind you.

Why the fuk would you want to go for a joy ride in Peak Hour traffic in full cycling attire is mind boggling :lol:

[boz-e]

I dont think sunday cyclists are the worst - I ride to work a few days a week and see some idiots on bikes - I even saw some guy riding his bike down the gore hill freeway recently - when there's a perfectly good off road cycle path in that area of the north

but being an agro fucker in a car doesnt help anyone - cyclists tend to get up on their moral high horse cause of agro drivers like those here telling us we shouldnt ride on the road - especially when there's a marked lane like on queen st woollahra or west st north sydney - the amount of drivers that go close to me on those streets is incredible

and those of you who are complaining that cyclists weave through stationary traffic - its like crossing on foot - sif you're going to wait for the little green man every time

[Madam Lasher]

omg complain about cyclists why dont ya? there are far more idiots driving motor vehicals, pushy inconsiderate, you would think they got their license to drive out of a cereal packet....
ps its mostly motorists that are killing/injuring people out there not cyclists

[DJ Fusion]

Bollox, over take a bike rider. Pull up at a red light. Chances are they weave themselves through all the cars(illegal) and sit at the front of the pack. Meaning everyone that has just overtaken this arrogant/clueless (one or the other) has to over take once more.
Better still how many times have you seen them weave through the pack and ride straight though the redlight.


This is the most accurate description in the thread of how I regularly see cyclist groups behaving.

Individual cyclists have fairly minimal impact on the road, but groups of cyclists in peak hour can be infuriating.

Funnily enough, the worst offenders I've ever seen are a large group that ride regularly from Sutherland shire into the city in morning peak hour. They're happy to make whole lanes of traffic crawl along at around 30kms an hour while we struggle to overtake them as they dont ride in anything resembling single file, only to have them all blow past you again at the next set of red lights.

I think my group may have even been the same pack that this guy swerved at, they're regularly being beeped at and yelled at, someone taking their anger too far was only inevitable.

[Freshie]

I'm just very scared I will hit one, hence I slow right down and get away from them. I always get the shivers when driving near one, not the good kind either

[liz_r]

I totally disagree, Sunday cyclists respect other road users and never ride in peak hour traffic. Your being a total hipppocrit saying that cause your attitude towards Sunday cyclists is the same attitude you detest motorists having towards yourself!

Its the cyclists who pretend they are in the tour de France that have the attitude problem. They are more concerned with the time on there stop watch than road rules or safety, usually in peak hour traffic mind you.

Why the fuk would you want to go for a joy ride in Peak Hour traffic in full cycling attire is mind boggling :lol:
Umm, I think you misunderstood - a "Sunday cyclist" is a term used to describe people who don't ride regularly or those who don't take cycling seriously - not literally those people who only ride on a Sunday (a little like the term "Sunday driver"). These tend to be the cyclists that irritate motorists, usually not deliberately but simply through not having the experience or understanding of what they need to do to share the road successfully with cars. There is nothing hypocritical at all about any statement I made - as I stated, you will find these behaviours exhibited by both cyclists and motorists, and both are equally annoying.

What you may not realise is that people do use cycling as a form of transport - just like you need to drive during peak hour, they need to ride during peak hour. They are not chosing to ride at that time solely to piss you and other motorists off.

[Pigman]

Moral of the story is if you ride a bike on the road your an idiot
...and you're a cockspank.

Cycling should be promoted, not discouraged.

Although I do feel that some of the stupidity you see cyclists performing is because they are unlicensed and therefore think they dont have to obey the road rules like the rest of us.

I think some form of licensing (without any licensing fees) would be a good thing to help get all road users reading from the same book of road rules.

[disgruntledgoat]

Totally. And some form of registration. Also, a little insurance wouldn't go astray. A small fee, I'm sure they'd be willing to pay. Perhaps a levy on all bicycles?

[Pigman]

No, thats why I said it wouldnt have any fee.

I know that if I didnt have a license for my motorbike I would treat red lights as Give-ways, wouldnt worry about the speed limits, and would generally not really adhere to many of the road rules.

Thats precisley why we have licensing, to ensure that people adhere to the road rules!

Cyclists generally disobey road rules because they have nothing to lose.

[funkyhouser]

I had a bicycle once when i was a child. then i obtained a drivers licence to drive a car to take me from point a to point b in style and speed and comfort. It even keeps me dry when it rains...wonderful really. Funny pplz those cyclists, all those lycra shorts showing of their tiny little penises to would match their IQ's i suppose and the really good ones are all banging up the racehorse growth hormones and aren't considered tough until they have fractured every bone in their body at least twice. I think we the motoring community should assist them in their efforts to toughen up at every available opportunity.

[disgruntledgoat]

Well, who would pay for the bureaucracy involved in administering the new licensing system?

I've always thought that if such a system was implemented, and it should be, insurance would be an issue. Cyclists are at greater risk of serious injury, and surely they should be contributing to the eventual costs to the public health system?

[boz-e]

what is it about cyclist threads that brings the dickheads out?

and you can lose points off your drivers licence for poor behaviour on a bicycle - you can also get charged with drink driving if you ride a bike pissed

its all about comon sense and having a thought about those around you - its the same with walking on the footpath - I get pissed off with people who walk slowly, or walk on the right hand side, or stop in the middle of the footpath to think (old people always seem to do this)

its manners as much as anything - all the people who are saying cyclists should be banned or drivers are all fucked are the embodiment of the selfish fuckwittery that seems to pervade our society - have some fucking consideration

[gravy]

i think we should ban people that walk places. if you're not a fat bastard who takes motorised transport everywhere then you have no place in modern society.

[funkyhouser]

i think we should ban people that walk places. if you're not a fat bastard who takes motorised transport everywhere then you have no place in modern society. Yeah segways totally rock..i want one http://www.urbantransporter.com/

[maxomillion]

:lol: @ gravy

Funny pplz those cyclists, all those lycra shorts showing of their tiny little penises to would match their IQ's i supposeSo they must be really smart right??

WORD boz-e these people are a little lacking in the endorphin department need get the old blood flowing again doesn't seem to be reaching they brains.
The fact is they just can't handle seeing people zipp past them getting fit, saving money, n protecting the environment while they are stuck to their fat arses in traffic;)

[riot]

mmm ... this person must have been proactive in pissing off cyclist too.

its quite bizzaar ... and kooky, but awesome! The site has some rather odd bike path layouts.

clicky click (http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/October2002.htm)

[tim-e]

I even saw some guy riding his bike down the gore hill freeway recently - when there's a perfectly good off road cycle path in that area of the northNot at the moment there isn't. The freeway is in pieces. There is, however, a perfectly acceptable alternative route through Atarmon and Willoughby/Naremburn, etc.

[HAKS]

:boring: here we go again. cyclists FTW ;)

[dilly dally]

run over them and i guarentee you wont have to worry about them again.

[maxomillion]

mmm ... this person must have been proactive in pissing off cyclist too.

its quite bizzaar ... and kooky, but awesome! The site has some rather odd bike path layouts.

clicky click (http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/October2002.htm)
I like this one



http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/knutsford-road.jpg This month's facility has been designed to improve the intelligence of cyclists. Gullible cyclists are lured by the signs to follow this short cycle track, only for their genes to be eliminated from the gene pool at the point where the track veers back onto the carriageway. Over the generations the IQ of cyclists will gradually increase via a process of Darwinian natural selection.

[boz-e]

Not at the moment there isn't. The freeway is in pieces. There is, however, a perfectly acceptable alternative route through Atarmon and Willoughby/Naremburn, etc.
yes there is - there is an off road cycle path that runs from the end of west st, up to mowbray road

that's what "off-road cycle path" means, not on the verge, off the road entirely

I hope all this talk of cyclists leads to some action - but then again we cyclists cant provide $96M in upfront fees to the state government so I dont think they'll listen

there's also no east-west way across the city on a bike - I'll bet $3.56 that providing cycle paths wasnt part of the CCT contract

I'll also bet $3.56 that all these wankers whinging about cyclists are the ones not payig the small toll and taking the tunnel when they cross the city

[konfuser]

so many angry people in such a hurry, i feel so sorry for you


i cant say cyclists really bother me, they have honestly never been more than a minor inconvenience on the road, i really doubt whether they have ever made my overall travel time any longer at all. i think some of you need to give yourselves a good hard slap.

more bicycles less cars = better for everybody

[SpaceMonkey]

I totally disagree, Sunday cyclists respect other road users and never ride in peak hour traffic. Your being a total hipppocrit saying that cause your attitude towards Sunday cyclists is the same attitude you detest motorists having towards yourself!

Its the cyclists who pretend they are in the tour de France that have the attitude problem. They are more concerned with the time on there stop watch than road rules or safety, usually in peak hour traffic mind you.

Why the fuk would you want to go for a joy ride in Peak Hour traffic in full cycling attire is mind boggling :lol:

What about those of us who commute to work via bike? I use bike lanes or bus lanes whenever avaiable, but occaisionally it is necessary to share the road with cars, and of course it's at peak time because I don't choose what time to cycle to work.
I really don't see the problem though, on the roads I use (Pacific Hwy from Crows Nest to Milson's Point and a couple of spots in the CBD) I usually move almost as quickly as the cars.
And by the way it is perfectly legal for bikes to move up the line of traffic when on a red light, as long as they stay to the left of the cars in the lane. I usually make it through the Shirley Rd/Pacific Hwy traffic lights in one change when it takes the cars around 3.

[SpaceMonkey]

there's also no east-west way across the city on a bike - I'll bet $3.56 that providing cycle paths wasnt part of the CCT contract

Actually I noticed today that eastbound on Park St between George and Pitt there appears to be a marked cycle lane (this section has just been re-surfaced and they haven't fully marked it yet but it looked the right width for a bike lane), hopefully this will be extended further across the city, although I haven't really checked it out yet as I don't usually have any call to cycle that way.

[krafty_x]

so many angry people in such a hurry, i feel so sorry for you


i cant say cyclists really bother me, they have honestly never been more than a minor inconvenience on the road, i really doubt whether they have ever made my overall travel time any longer at all. i think some of you need to give yourselves a good hard slap.

more bicycles less cars = better for everybodyear ear!

k_x oxo

[dilly dally]

why are we all in such a hurry? what do we do it for?

all these questions, all these questions

[emskina]

so many angry people in such a hurry, i feel so sorry for you

i cant say cyclists really bother me, they have honestly never been more than a minor inconvenience on the road, i really doubt whether they have ever made my overall travel time any longer at all. i think some of you need to give yourselves a good hard slap.

more bicycles less cars = better for everybody
:bow: Couldn't agree more. Those people who are worried by being held up by 10 seconds - get some perspective!!

[tim-e]

yes there is - there is an off road cycle path that runs from the end of west st, up to mowbray roadSorry boz, I had it in my head riding along the freeway in the cycle lane, which of course is now history with the expansion and the Lane Cove Tunnel.

[Kooky]

Umm, I think you misunderstood - a "Sunday cyclist"
.

No a Sunday cylist is someone who doesnt pretend he/she is in training for the Tour de France & has enough common sense to stay of major roads in peak hour.

They are not chosing to ride at that time solely to piss you and other motorists off.

Bollox, its because they have never driven a car in peak hour traffic before and dont realise how much they put themselves in harms way


I usually move almost as quickly as the cars.

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Bollox, the problem is bikes very rarely move at the same speeds as a car.


And by the way it is perfectly legal for bikes to move up the line of traffic when on a red light, as long as they stay to the left of the cars in the lane. .

Cyclists quite commonly move up to the red light trough the centre lane. Dont pretend they dont. Then more often than not ride thru it

...and you're a cockspank.

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What the hell is a cockspank? Sounds kinda kinky


. Those people who are worried by being held up by 10 seconds - get some perspective!!

:lol: The problem is not being held up 10seconds , the problem is trying not to kill these idiots & putting them out of there misery.
Less than 1% of people would cycle on the road so it is understandable that at least 1% of the public has no brains.

[Kooky]

Its always funny blowing your horn as your approaching a cyclist and watching them wave there arms and legs at you like a penguin trying to fly with loads of abuse , always a good laugh in the morning on the way to work

Cyclists obviously dont have any sense of humour

[boz-e]

you're a dickhead kooky

motorists behave like this then wonder why cyclists decide to piss them off and ride in the centre of the lane

as I said before, this isnt an issue about cyclists and motorists - its about dickheads, dickheads like kooky

[Kooky]

you're a dickhead kooky

motorists behave like this then wonder why cyclists decide to piss them off and ride in the centre of the lane

as I said before, this isnt an issue about cyclists and motorists - its about dickheads, dickheads like kooky


:lol:
Hey but I ride a bicyle too, just not on main roads or in peak hour

No fair

[krafty_x]

:lol:
Hey but I ride a bicyle too, just not on main roads or in peak hour

No fairSomehow I think boz is suggesting you're probably a dickhead no matter which mode of transport you're utilising.

:D

k_x oxo

[Kooky]

Somehow I think boz is suggesting you're probably a dickhead no matter which mode of transport you're utilising.

:D

k_x oxo


& I was suggesting boz is a penguin

[packet]

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Better still how many times have you seen them weave through the pack and ride straight though the redlight.





Any cyclist that pulls this swifty will certainly get a barrige of abuse from me. :slap:
The more abuse they get the less likely they will do it again.

I tollerate cyclists but ride on a busy road with lots of traffic then expect to be abused accordingly.
Ignorant f00ls

[didjeridude]

Its always funny blowing your horn as your approaching a cyclist and watching them wave there arms and legs at you like a penguin trying to fly with loads of abuse , always a good laugh in the morning on the way to work

Cyclists obviously dont have any sense of humour

Since this topic has been done to death I can only assume this thread is a lame attempt at trolling. Is it really necessary?

Can't you people all just take a chill pill and get over your petty little greivances regarding cyclists or motorists who do this naughty thing or that naughty thing? Nobody is perfect. Next time you complain about a cyclist who goes through a red light think about whether or not you have ever turned a corner without indicating or driven over the speed limit.

We should be most concerned about drunk drivers who kill people.

[SpaceMonkey]

Bollox, the problem is bikes very rarely move at the same speeds as a car.

Peak hour traffic in the CBD is bloody slow, so it's quite easy to keep up with it on a bike, and I do just that.

[tim-e]

Peak hour traffic in the CBD is bloody slow, so it's quite easy to keep up with it on a bike, and I do just that.Yes, it's not hard on a road bike to maintain 30-40km/h, and that's the speed traffic moves at on a good day on most Sydney arterial roads.

[Kooky]

Peak hour traffic in the CBD is bloody slow, so it's quite easy to keep up with it on a bike, and I do just that.

Bollox,
Cars move at an even flow.
Bicyles weave in and out & thru the middle of traffic & rarely stay on the side of the road.

[SpaceMonkey]

Bollox,
Cars move at an even flow.
Bicyles weave in and out & thru the middle of traffic & rarely stay on the side of the road.

I cycle into the CBD every day, and you don't what you're talking about. Peak hour traffic doesn't move at an even flow when it's gridlocked.

[moylo]

Its always funny blowing your horn as your approaching a cyclist and watching them wave there arms and legs at you like a penguin trying to fly with loads of abuse , always a good laugh in the morning on the way to work

Cyclists obviously dont have any sense of humour
U ARE A MORON...

N i have a good sense of humour, just not when retards like u think its funny to try n scare the shit out of us... i mean u complain that we might stray into the middle of the road... Then u come up with a great idea like blowing the horn in their ear n see if that gets them off the road... Ur an idiot...

[Kooky]

I cycle into the CBD every day, and you don't what you're talking about. Peak hour traffic doesn't move at an even flow when it's gridlocked.


I drive into the CBD everyday & its obvious you only see out of 1 eye

[liz_r]

Maybe it just really pisses him off when he's stuck in unmoving traffic and sees cyclists actually getting somewhere? Jealousy? ;)

[twistedbydesign]

deadshit

[Kooky]

deadshit


And once agin TBD swears on the forums to vent his anger
Hasnt LA told you this is not tollerated

[Sunantra]

Its always funny blowing your horn as your approaching a cyclist and watching them wave there arms and legs at you like a penguin trying to fly with loads of abuse , always a good laugh in the morning on the way to work

Cyclists obviously dont have any sense of humour

Are you serious? You're a moron, maybe you'll need to be in the situation where you accidently kill someone with this type of behaviour before you realise how to be a decent human being.

[konfuser]

And once agin TBD swears on the forums to vent his anger
Hasnt LA told you this is not tollerated
no i think its topics being ruined by pissweak attempts at trolling tha LA doesnt tollerate

[gymboxer]

Bollox, its because they have never driven a car in peak hour traffic before and dont realise how much they put themselves in harms way.
so what your saying here is as a driver, you are not in enough control of your car to avoid a cyclist.

Have you considered getting a licence?

[twistedbydesign]

And once agin TBD swears on the forums to vent his anger
Hasnt LA told you this is not tollerated
LA doesn't tollerate abuse...what i said was fact.

[SpaceMonkey]

so what your saying here is as a driver, you are not in enough control of your car to avoid a cyclist.

Have you considered getting a licence?

Oh come on, you couldn't seriously expect someone with that level of literacy to pass the written test... you might as well try to teach astrophysics to an ape.

[twistedbydesign]

:lol:

[Kooky]

Beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[twistedbydesign]

What are you twelve?

[Kooky]

What are you twelve?


Minimum driving age is 17
Are you really as stupid as you try to be?