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Scootie
19-Mar-06, 10:34pm
A little while ago somebody asked me for some tips on club photography, and I figured I'd start some threads here and post my 2c worth and also get the input form everyone else, since we have a lot of really good club photographers here on ITM :)

I figure we'd start with the technical aspects of different camera types, Compacts, Mid-sized and SLRs, and then have another one on Composition and stuff. This one is the first (since compacts are the most common camera type being used) so I've also shoved some technical inform in here that generally holds true for other camera types.
In my opinion, the key to using compact cameras is to have a wider aperture, make your camera take a darker picture, and increase it's sensitivity.

One or all of these factors can be used in conjunction to get more shots in those dark and busy environments.

Many compact cameras can open up their lenses fairly wide, as far as f/2.8 is fairly common (the aperture value is a fraction, so the smaller the number, the wider the hole, the more light comes in), so try turning on the display mode (so it tells you shutter speed & aperture), or put the camera in Aperture Priority mode (check your camera manual) and set the number as small as it'll go. The lower the number, the more light comes in, the more likely you are to get the shot in the dark.

Next try telling your camera to 'under expose' the shot a little. Many cameras have a setting to under or over expose the image by a few 'stops' usually a scale from -2 to +2, try setting it to -1 or -2. You can then brighten the image in photoshop, picasa, or whatever image program you use.

Finally try changing how sensitive your camera is by changing the ISO setting. Most cameras use this setting at a default of 50 or 100 to take the images, some have an 'auto' setting that will vary this from 50-200 depending on the light available, but most cameras will go up to 400, and some go even higher. The ISO speed is meant to emulate normal film, where ISO 100 is the standard (eg Kodak Gold) and ISO 400 is higher speed 'action' film (eg Kodak Max). The downside of this is that you get more noise in the image. The sensor of your camera is being asked to record everything it sees, even if that information is a bit dodgy, so you get a 'grainy' image, amusingly similar to the grainy image you get with high speed (ISO 1000+) films. You can get rid of some of this noise with programs like Noise-Ninja and Neatimage. Even if you don't get rid of any, it can still make a sharper image than you might otherwise get.

Another tip is to also set your camera to take multiple images in a row (eg 'burst' mode) and take a few in a row. I find that sometimes I'll miss the shot on the first one, but if I take 2-3 in a row, one of the other ones hits that lucky spot where not everyone is moving too bad.

All of this is about playing around with the sliding scales of shutter/aperture to find a spot that you can hold the camera steady enough, and your subjects moving slowly enough, that you can take the shot.

I can hold my compact camera steady for a shutter speed of 1/25 or even sometimes 1/20 or 1/15 and still get a sharp enough shot, but for people dancing you might need to be up at 1/50 or higher (eg the 1/60 used for most flash photos)

The way the aperture/shutter relationship works is actually fairly simple. There's a lot of technical info and stuff, but basically the aperture is the size of the hole that is opened, and the shutter speed is how long it's open for. Most of the stops along the scales of shutter speed and aperture are designed to let twice as much light or half as much light in as the stop either side.

The typical aperture stops on a camera are: 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16 and 22
The typical shutter speeds on a camera are: 2000, 1000, 500, 250, 125, 60, 30, 15, 8, 4, 2, 1

Many cameras will use 1/2 stop or 1/3 stop increments, so you'll see a lot more numbers in there, but those are the main points :)

you don't need to worry too much about it, because your camera knows all there is to know about them, and if it doesn't, then it's a manual camera the therefore you probably know more than me anyway :)

All you need to know is that if a shot is correctly exposed at 1/250th, f8, then it's also correctly exposed at 1/125th, f11 and 1/60th, f16 and 1/500th, f5.6 and 1/1000th, f4.
Basically the columns on the stop lists line up.

If you want to get a faster shutter speed, you need a wider aperture (smaller number) so you move down the scale a few stops.

When you change the ISO sensitivity up a stop (50 to 100, 100 to 200, 200 to 400) you get to shift the columns across one. (a shot at ISO 100, 1/30th would be 1/60th at ISO 200)

So that's starting to get a bit technical, but basically, up the ISO and it will double or quadruple the light coming in, and drop the expose one or two stops will double or quadruple it too, and you end up with a much higher shutter speed for your lowest aperture, making it much more likely to be able to capture the action.

The Duke
30-Apr-06, 01:23pm
Thanks for the information.Greatly appreciated :thumb:

phunkdust
30-Apr-06, 02:18pm
My tips for using a compact camera...

1. Don't hold it at arms' length. This is the most unstable position and you're likely to get blurring. Bring your left arm in so your elbow tucks into your chest, cradle your camera in your left hand and steady it and operate the shutter with your right. Use the optical viewfinder if your camera has one - pressing the camera against your head gives another point of stability.

2. If you want to take a long exposure or effect shot try using a table, back of chair, wall, column, etc to help keep your camera stable

3. Mix it up, try holding your camera above your head or crouch down for an interesting angle.

4. Learn to love photoshop. It can make an ordinary picture into a great photo if you're good. Start with Auto-Levels, this nearly always makes an improvement to brightness and contrast, then try the photo filter setting - you can use this sparingly to warm up a picture that looks harsh because of flash. Also you can use the Unsharp mask to try and improve a blurred shot or slight misfocus. Leave the amount at 100% to start with, and set threshold/levels to 10 so you're not sharpening noise, and play with the radius control. Depending on the size of the image you're working on you may want a setting between 1 and 10. Find a setting that works well and then adjust the amount of sharpening for best effect.

5. NeatImage is a free program for reducing image noise. It works wonders. The Noise Reduction function in Photoshop CS2 is also quite good but works on a different method... it reduces colour noise more and keeps fine details giving you a more film-like grain rather than colour noise. NeatImage directly maps out the noise so you get a silky smooth no-noise no-grain image with the side-effect of a slightly softened image.

6. Cameras are always capable of more than you think. Get to know all the settings and what they do.

The Duke
08-May-06, 12:24am
Thanks for the advice phunkdust :thumb:

I always try to use the viewfinder on my camera at clubs now, mainly because:
- I can hardly see the subject on the LCD when I'm in low light environments, but I have a lot better visibility through the viewfinder.
- the battery last almost twice as long before running flat (compared to when I always had the LCD on).

The problem I found with my viewfinder is that it doesn't display the total view that the camera captures (I think optical viewfinders don't have that problem? Sorry, I don't know much about it). So it's difficult for me to frame the shot properly. But then that's solved by resizing/cropping the photos in Photoshop.

I owe a lot to Photoshop's Level adjustment. My camera sometimes captures very dull colours when I'm using the flash and the Level adjustment gives a great improvement. And after mucking around with it's settings, I've realised the Level adjustments can really help improve photos that captured a lot of glare/fogginess from the smoke in the club.

Here's a few examples of before & after adjusting the Levels in Photoshop. (The only editing I've done to these photos has been the Level adjustments, and I've removed the red eyes from some of them):

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/37353/1/Leveladjust_1.jpg (http://www.imageviper.com/dip/37353/Leveladjust_1.jpg) http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/37354/1/Leveladjust2.jpg (http://www.imageviper.com/dip/37354/Leveladjust2.jpg) http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/37355/1/Leveladjust3.jpg (http://www.imageviper.com/dip/37355/Leveladjust3.jpg) http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/37356/1/Leveladjust4.jpg (http://www.imageviper.com/dip/37356/Leveladjust4.jpg) http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/37357/1/Leveladjust.jpg (http://www.imageviper.com/dip/37357/Leveladjust.jpg)

the_devil_comes
11-May-06, 01:16am
yes, the great thing about turning your LCD off is better battery life, ive got image review on my cam turned off, and i use the EVF (electronic Vewfinder) which saves on LCD battery cost.

Photoshop Levels is good when you have washed out or unsaturated images, but theres a great tool called selective colour, which is available in RGB colour mode and a few others, lets you choose mid grey and white, and adjust the black amount precicely.

another thing ive found is that if you have an image that is under exposed, such as a laser/crowd shot is that in the new photoshop CS2 there is a shadow/highlight recovery which works very well when combined with using medium noise reduction and smart sharpen on the the luminosity "layer" when an image is in lab colour mode. you get very clean results without killing the colour balance, and with the shadow / highlight recovery there is a great colour correction tool [in advanced i believe] (that is set pretty high by default).

my advice: get a camera that can cope in low light, dont kill yourself trying to get the best image out of a little 300-500 camera, authough there are good ones within that price range, you dont find many of the ISO and other manual overrides that you find on slightly more expensive camreas

i dont claim to know everything but ive found alot of what ive said helps when your putting final touches on images your selling to clubs etc...

phunkdust
11-May-06, 01:34am
MacGuyver tip:

If you have a camera with a half decent flash (ie not a super-compact) you might be able to bounce with it.

Get a small piece of white card (I use a train ticket) and hold it close to the flash on a 45-degree angle. With some experimentation you should be able to get the flash bouncing off the card, then bouncing off the ceiling.

Some cameras chuck a skitz at this because they have shitty exposure control systems... My old Canon A75 however could adjust flash power mid-exposure and it would almost work fine without any further adjustments.

Note that this will only work if you have a convenient low ceiling thats a light colour as you're losing heaps of light output with bouncing.

Might still work though ;) Try it!

A very small makeup mirror should work too... anything thats white or reflective.

Baby700
16-May-06, 11:49pm
I am looking to buy a compact camera. Tossing up b/t the Canon IXUS 55, Panasonic FX9 and the Fuji F10. Don't suppose anyone could help with which of these (or something similar) would be best for club shots. Just want to take decent pics of mates when we're out etc.

Oh, and thanks for the tips, will certainly help once I get my new digi :)

phunkdust
17-May-06, 01:41am
Should ask in the Gaming & Computers forum but I'd suggest the F10.

the_devil_comes
19-May-06, 01:14am
Fuji F10 best low light shooting in that selection, actually has a better sensor than the S9500 which is their flagship non DSLR (that i shoot on)

The Duke
29-May-06, 01:06am
yes, the great thing about turning your LCD off is better battery life, ive got image review on my cam turned off, and i use the EVF (electronic Vewfinder) which saves on LCD battery cost.

Photoshop Levels is good when you have washed out or unsaturated images, but theres a great tool called selective colour, which is available in RGB colour mode and a few others, lets you choose mid grey and white, and adjust the black amount precicely.

another thing ive found is that if you have an image that is under exposed, such as a laser/crowd shot is that in the new photoshop CS2 there is a shadow/highlight recovery which works very well when combined with using medium noise reduction and smart sharpen on the the luminosity "layer" when an image is in lab colour mode. you get very clean results without killing the colour balance, and with the shadow / highlight recovery there is a great colour correction tool [in advanced i believe] (that is set pretty high by default).

my advice: get a camera that can cope in low light, dont kill yourself trying to get the best image out of a little 300-500 camera, authough there are good ones within that price range, you dont find many of the ISO and other manual overrides that you find on slightly more expensive camreas

i dont claim to know everything but ive found alot of what ive said helps when your putting final touches on images your selling to clubs etc...Thanks for the tips. You wouldn't have any links to tutorials explaining how to do that in photoshop?

nettsu
29-May-06, 10:23am
Thanks for the tips. You wouldn't have any links to tutorials explaining how to do that in photoshop?

open image in photoshop
CTRL-M
the first one is for black and the third one is for white
so basically selected the blackest spot and the whitest spot in the image
and voila - it should be ok

re: lcd viewfinder
i leave mine one - i am more comfortable using that - but I also always have spare batteries on me.

phunkdust
29-May-06, 06:01pm
Thats curves netty, but close ;)

Best to use Levels and adjust the white and dark points to meet the edges of the histogram. You can also use the middle one (gamma) to adjust the overall brightness curve.

Scootie
23-Jan-07, 03:21pm
we should now do the SLR version of this thread I reckon :)

phunkdust
23-Jan-07, 03:41pm
Where to start? :lol:

invisage01
23-Jan-07, 03:48pm
ah awesome!! thats what i was after with my article request! SLR version of this one!

basically i want to know how they get the awesome shots from something like BDO http://www.triplej.abc.net.au/gallery/big_day_out_gold_coast_2007/ ...

thanks for digging this one up scootie!

Ralph Wiggum
23-Jan-07, 04:14pm
Where did this get bumped from?

Bojoe
23-Jan-07, 04:35pm
Great stuff here...Keep these tips coming.

Scootie good idea SLR version please.

MadMike
23-Jan-07, 04:39pm
Where did this get bumped from?
I moved it from the Reporters forum at the thread creators request. It's way too good to linger in relative obscurity over there!

Ralph Wiggum
23-Jan-07, 04:50pm
Ah yeah, that's where I remember seeing it. Good move on moving it here :)

Are there others?

/Goes of to have a look

rancho
23-Jan-07, 06:20pm
basically i want to know how they get the awesome shots from something like BDO http://www.triplej.abc.net.au/gallery/big_day_out_gold_coast_2007/ ...

be matt booy.

kittykatt
25-Jan-07, 03:47pm
great thread, and certainly very handy as I've just aquired 2 canons - one Ixus 65 & a 300D, so am having lots of play time but more importantly have lots to learn!

Thanks to everyone for sharing their tips & tricks :thumb:

mikewebster
25-Jan-07, 04:34pm
Great thread! I'm looking at getting at Canon IXUS 850 that I can take out with me to get some clubbing action shots.

Thanks for the tips guys!