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Cranker
26-Apr-06, 02:36pm
your welcome :thumb:
your welcome :thumb:
you're welcome!
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Rhyfelwr
26-Apr-06, 04:19pm
you're welcome!
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You're welcome!
You're welcome!You are welcome!
why do i have a mental image of each of you rising up from a deadlift as you say that?
if this thread can't prove it has something to contribute within the next couple of hours even the free-weights-supernatural-power it gets from doing deadlifts won't be able to keep it open.
so have you borked your lower back yet buffed? :p what are you deadlifting these days?
p.s. Deadlifting 320lbs for 4 - 6 at present.
SpaceMonkey
26-Apr-06, 06:38pm
Mmm deadlifts, used to love them when I trained more seriously. Really should get back into them.
I hurt my back a while back from deadlifting, i was using figure 8 straps, so i was tied to the bar and got halfway back up and realised i couldnt make it back up, but since i was tied to the bar, i was kind of stuck. Started doing them again recently without the straps, i think ill get back up to about 100kg then stop there.
p.s. Deadlifting 320lbs for 4 - 6 at present.metric or STFU :p
lalaland
26-Apr-06, 09:29pm
about 140kgs.....done that tonight....havnt done them in a while so was happy
I've been doing straight leg deads for about a month now. Thanks to you buffed I'm already seeing results in both my lower back & hamstrings :D
I most say they are a bitch of an exercise!
fenisha
27-Apr-06, 09:21am
i also do dead lifts.
mike what you weigh at present?
At the moment ~89
Since adding more cardio I've managed to lean up a bit more whilst keeping my strength. Diet has been a bit low on cals but I don't think I've lost any muscle.
Kinna - you had the biggest whinge after doing deads first time lol "I can't mooove" good to see you have stuck at them ;)
At the moment ~89
Wow you're massif :P
Kinna - you had the biggest whinge after doing deads first time lol "I can't mooove" good to see you have stuck at them ;)
I'm from the Balkans which means I'm stubborn! 'I can't' doesn't exist in my vocab':lol:
Seriously though it took after the third week to get over the pain. For years I've been doing hyperextenions just after a few weeks of deads ya i finally got dimples!
Seriously though it took after the third week to get over the pain. For years I've been doing hyperextenions just after a few weeks of deads ya i finally got dimples!
awesome! :-D
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 10:45am
about 140kgs.....done that tonight....havnt done them in a while so was happy
Thats about as high as I ever got. Used to kill my hands and forearms!
just got back into them 2 weeks ago......doing a measly 100kg at the moment, but that will go up. want to be doing 150 by the end of the year at a bodyweight of 75kg
lalaland
27-Apr-06, 11:04am
figure 8 straps FTW.
most ive done is 180kg for 2 reps.....luv to get back up to that but cont see it happening soon.il get up to 160kg in the next few weeks if i keep doing them everyweek.
mike..89kg? i think u should keep losing:P maybe then il catch ya.ive been doing 20 mins cardio after every weights session for the last 2 weeks and i can notice a BIG difference in BF already.im sitting at about 84kg
I am currently lifting 160kg for between 4-6 reps...
180kg....holy shitballs. Yeh 145kg is my max at the moment.
Wouldnt mind pushing it to 160kg by the end of winter. You just keep winning with deads, since i added 10kg to my deads i've added 10lbs to my DB chest presses....go figure?
Keep losing? Some bloke at the gym said "you lost a couple of pounds mike?" I almost cried lol.
Kinna you doing normal deads as well as stiff legged?
180kg....holy shitballs. Yeh 145kg is my max at the moment.
Wouldnt mind pushing it to 160kg by the end of winter. You just keep winning with deads, since i added 10kg to my deads i've added 10lbs to my DB chest presses....go figure?
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you probably added inches to your arms too.
if i could bottle deads, i'd make a fortune..........them deads have gold in them i tell you
Serotonin
27-Apr-06, 12:19pm
180kg....holy shitballs. Yeh 145kg is my max at the moment.
Wouldnt mind pushing it to 160kg by the end of winter. You just keep winning with deads, since i added 10kg to my deads i've added 10lbs to my DB chest presses....go figure?
Keep losing? Some bloke at the gym said "you lost a couple of pounds mike?" I almost cried lol.
Kinna you doing normal deads as well as stiff legged?It is all a big head game mate, they dont intentionally try and put you off but when someone says that to you it does your head in. When i was training hard and eating the most i thought i was massive i got told i was looking skinny. I didn't train for 2 weeks went back to the gym and people said i had put on size? go figure lol
180kg....holy shitballs. Yeh 145kg is my max at the moment.
Wouldnt mind pushing it to 160kg by the end of winter. You just keep winning with deads, since i added 10kg to my deads i've added 10lbs to my DB chest presses....go figure?
Keep losing? Some bloke at the gym said "you lost a couple of pounds mike?" I almost cried lol.
Kinna you doing normal deads as well as stiff legged?
mike, how much do you DB bench?
Most FF only go up to 45kg DB (Sylvania, Miranda, Pitt Street). North Sydney has 50kg DB...
lalaland
27-Apr-06, 01:09pm
what do you do on db bench shyboy?
i can do 100's pretty easy after not doing db's for ages.its hard once you get over 105's or so though.mite have to give them a go...but as u said..training at FF parra now and i think they only got up to 40kg:(
what do you do on db bench shyboy?
i can do 100's pretty easy after not doing db's for ages.its hard once you get over 105's or so though.mite have to give them a go...but as u said..training at FF parra now and i think they only got up to 40kg:(
I dont do db bench mate, but when I did I was doing the 50kg db's. Cant remember for how many reps.
I didnt get to do them that much as I need a spot to get the first one up (damn long limbs and girly strength wrists).
Keep losing? Some bloke at the gym said "you lost a couple of pounds mike?" I almost cried lol.
Kinna you doing normal deads as well as stiff legged?
i think you suffer from bigorexia :lol:
Nah i only do stiff deads it was too taxing doing both. Besides i was seeing results doing only one. I replaced them with barbell bent over rows instead.
Astrofox
27-Apr-06, 01:31pm
Deads are awesome. Ive only really started them recently, starting light to get my form right and am already seeing results, Looking forward to upping the weight now. Amazing how they seem to effect your entire body.
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 01:59pm
W00t! This thread rawks! Went for a lunchtime workout and decided to grab a bar and do a few sets of deads, felt fuckin awesome! Only got up to a poxy 80kg though, was a bit paranoid about form and my hands started giving out on the third set :p
Shame stoopid FF Park St doesn't have a proper deadlifting area though, you've gotta use the squat rack or pinch a bar of one of the bench press racks and just set up on the floor.
W00t! This thread rawks! Went for a lunchtime workout and decided to grab a bar and do a few sets of deads, felt fuckin awesome! Only got up to a poxy 80kg though, was a bit paranoid about form and my hands started giving out on the third set :p
Get some figure 8 straps, that will solve your problem.
shyboy - was doing 100's last couple of weeks for 5 or 6 i think. But my shoulder started nagging at me again. back down to 95's for 8. Our gym only goes up to 100lbs...so I shouldn't try to get much stronger anyway ;D
lalaland
27-Apr-06, 02:23pm
:lol: good excuse!
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 02:37pm
Get some figure 8 straps, that will solve your problem.
yeah i used to use them when I was doing more weights a few years ago and got up to 150kg witht he straps, they're awesome.
yeah i used to use them when I was doing more weights a few years ago and got up to 150kg witht he straps, they're awesome.
Yeah its kinda a catch 22.
I have been using straps ever since I started deadlifting because of my shit grip strength.
But with the straps, my grip strength will never improve.
I was thinking about giving these a go one day:
http://www.myopure.com.au/heavy-grip-grippers.html
There something about having a handshake that could crush another guys hand that appeals to me...
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 04:03pm
(damn long limbs and girly strength wrists).
Those long arms make you a better deadlifter though :)
I've got long arms and relatively short legs, so my physique's way better for deadlifts than bench work.
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 04:04pm
Yeah its kinda a catch 22.
I have been using straps ever since I started deadlifting because of my shit grip strength.
But with the straps, my grip strength will never improve.
Maybe you should do your first set or two without straps so it improves your grip strength then put on the straps when you go really heavy so you can concentrate on form?
one_tjc
27-Apr-06, 07:19pm
can anyone give tips / websites on the correct form or anything else you should know for the deadlift virgin? :)
Ages ago when I first saw buffed praising the merits of the deadlift in the Buffed Thread I decided to give them a crack in the gym.
My back was fucked for a week lol. So I second one_tjc's motion. Tips to prevent fucking ur back while deadlifting :thumb:
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 07:41pm
can anyone give tips / websites on the correct form or anything else you should know for the deadlift virgin? :)
Stick your arse out and shoulders back, and keep your back straight, you should only be bending at the knees and hips, arching your back is a quick recipe for serious back injuries. Don't go too heavy until you've got your form sorted. I'd get someone at your gym to help you out with your first few sets ansd check your form, deadlifts are great but I reckon that form is probably more important with them than any other excercise, if you don't do it properly you could fuck your lower back.
lalaland
27-Apr-06, 09:33pm
Ages ago when I first saw buffed praising the merits of the deadlift in the Buffed Thread I decided to give them a crack in the gym.
My back was fucked for a week lol. So I second one_tjc's motion. Tips to prevent fucking ur back while deadlifting :thumb:
i think alot of people confuse 'fucking your back' with 'being a lil bytch':lol:
if your backs sore its because its weak and yourve just done a very taxing exercise for it.suck it up.its what happens.its not damaging your back.just like when you hammer your chest and that gets sore...alot of people seem to think the backs something different and seem to get scared off.
if your getting sharp shooting pains or anything like that then of course your doing something wrong.
i did deads last night and my backs pretty damn sore today.but its not fucked.its just been worked hard.weaker areas take longer to recover so dont just stop the exercise.wait till its recovered then hit it again.
SpaceMonkey
27-Apr-06, 09:36pm
i think alot of people confuse 'fucking your back' with 'being a lil bytch':lol:
if your backs sore its because its weak and yourve just done a very taxing exercise for it.suck it up.its what happens.its not damaging your back.just like when you hammer your chest and that gets sore...alot of people seem to think the backs something different and seem to get scared off.
if your getting sharp shooting pains or anything like that then of course your doing something wrong.
i did deads last night and my backs pretty damn sore today.but its not fucked.its just been worked hard.weaker areas take longer to recover so dont just stop the exercise.wait till its recovered then hit it again.
Yeah I know what you mean, my back is seizing up from today already, but it's all in the muscles so it's all good. I find that after a few sets I start to really feel it in my lower back but as long as it's either side of the spine it's cool, but if you start feeling anything in your spine you should back off quick.
white lie
28-Apr-06, 01:30am
I started off with stiffed legged deads and sumo style before normal ones. I don't think its quite as easy to have bad form doing stiffed legged ones and it still builds decent mass on your lower back.
Get rid of the straps. Seriously. Grippers are fun (I've close the CoC#2 in both hands), but they will do little for support strenght. Better off just doing static holds in a rack, or if you want some fun get an Ironmind Rolling Thunder.
I pulled 245 2 weeks ago. Quater of a ton next...
SpaceMonkey
28-Apr-06, 10:48am
Get rid of the straps. Seriously. Grippers are fun (I've close the CoC#2 in both hands), but they will do little for support strenght. Better off just doing static holds in a rack, or if you want some fun get an Ironmind Rolling Thunder.
I pulled 245 2 weeks ago. Quater of a ton next...
245, and you don't use straps? Is your handshake registered as a deadly weapon? :p
245, and you don't use straps? Is your handshake registered as a deadly weapon? :p
http://www.trnmag.com/NASA%20robot%20arm%20full.JPG
Redl1ne
28-Apr-06, 12:23pm
Here's a question; how many of you promoting deadlifts as being the ultimate exercise don't have lower back problems? I'm fairly sure I've seen the majority of you say that your lower back is rat shit in other threads, yet you continue to promote them? Is the gain really worth the possibility of a lifetime of pain, especially when there are alternatives that may not be as good, but they dont turn you into a cripple?
While i realise that knocking deadlifts is almost sacrilegeous here and i also do them (though one area i never push myself in) so its a little hypocritical, but yeah one mistake and you can be in a lot of shit!
My lower back is great. I hardly ever strain it at work anymore, possibly due to strengthening it through deads. Funnily enough I've never injured my lower back from deads, only my trap.
My bro used to have lower back issues which stopped him from doing other exercises. His dumbass chiro said to stay away from deads, however, Dr_L diagnosed him with a pissweak lower back. So I prescribed him some deadlifts, nice and light at first, harping on his technique....next thing you know, viola! Lower back is strong and pain free.
Yet another deadlift success story. Stay tuned for how to cure cancer with deadlifts 8)
white lie
28-Apr-06, 12:44pm
You always have to be careful when you're using your back. You can throw your back out by lifting a 30kg box the wrong way if you're not careful, so things can be a lot more dramatic if you're trying to heave up 150-200kg.
I never seem to push myself with deads as I do with seated rows or something for example, but as soon as your form starts to go, thats when you need to put the bar down.
my grandfather had cataracts.......i put him on an old school dealifting routine and within 5 months his vision had retuirned to normal. deadlifts are a miracle
can anyone give tips / websites on the correct form or anything else you should know for the deadlift virgin? :)
Instructions
Preparation
With feet flat beneath bar squat down and grasp bar with a shoulder width or slightly wider over hand or mixed grip.
Execution
Lift bar by extending hips and knees to full extension. Pull shoulders back at top of lift if rounded. Return and repeat.
http://exrx.net/AnimatedEx/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.gif
Here's a question; how many of you promoting deadlifts as being the ultimate exercise don't have lower back problems? I'm fairly sure I've seen the majority of you say that your lower back is rat shit in other threads, yet you continue to promote them? Is the gain really worth the possibility of a lifetime of pain, especially when there are alternatives that may not be as good, but they dont turn you into a cripple?
While i realise that knocking deadlifts is almost sacrilegeous here and i also do them (though one area i never push myself in) so its a little hypocritical, but yeah one mistake and you can be in a lot of shit!
Never had any major issues with my lower back (before or after starting deadlifts).
I have injured it once, however that was from doing shrugs:?
SpaceMonkey
28-Apr-06, 01:38pm
My lower back is fine. As I've stated in this thread already I regard form as the most crucial thing with deadlifts and I won't push myself if I think I'm losing any form.
8 Schmorl's Nodes later, and deadlifts can go get fucked!!!!
Thanks for nothing you piece of shit exercise :thumb:
I appreciate that many injuries are due to poor form, but deadlifts, squats et al. can still ruin lower backs even when form is fine.
General overuse and the same repetitive movement using the heaviest weight possible (while keeping form good) is still enough to cause injury.
SpaceMonkey
28-Apr-06, 04:54pm
I appreciate that many injuries are due to poor form, but deadlifts, squats et al. can still ruin lower backs even when form is fine.
General overuse and the same repetitive movement using the heaviest weight possible (while keeping form good) is still enough to cause injury.
So what do you do, just avoid them? They seem to work for plenty of people...
So what do you do, just avoid them? They seem to work for plenty of people... Oh no doubt they build thick looking lower backs, mine got hell thick when i was doing them.
Was just unlucky that I started doing them with heavy weight before my spine had completely developed.
And yeh I avoid any movements that involve the lower back, hypers included. Piece of shit gets sore enough just from sitting in a chair :lol:
Have found that 10-20 mins on an inversion table helps relieve the pain though :thumb: best thing I ever bought.
245, and you don't use straps? Is your handshake registered as a deadly weapon? :p
Crushing and supporting hand strength are quite seperate tbh. Like I said, I closed the CoC#2, which is quite challenging, but I never trained enough to be able to close the #3 (only 50 or so people have closed it). I'd love to do heaps of grip work, but I don't have the time or CNS...
I've never used straps. Whenever I feel my grip is letting me down (hasn't for ages) I just work heavy static holds into my workout. I can static hold 300+ for quite a while, so I can hold a 250 deadlift all day really.
Also, I use quite a bit of chalk. Makes all the difference.
I appreciate that many injuries are due to poor form, but deadlifts, squats et al. can still ruin lower backs even when form is fine.
General overuse and the same repetitive movement using the heaviest weight possible (while keeping form good) is still enough to cause injury.
So why do Olympic lifters, who pull (wether it be snatch pulls, deadlifts, clean pulls etc.) and squat twice a day and 6 days a week all year have such a low rate of injury?
Lower than track & field athletes last time I checked.
Apples and oranges comparing world class lifters to average gym goers.
one_tjc
29-Apr-06, 06:56pm
wicked info guys - cheers :thumb:
Rhyfelwr
29-Apr-06, 07:27pm
The Chuck Norris full body workout machine beats Deadlifts ANYDAY OF THE WEEK.
SpaceMonkey
01-May-06, 11:40am
Apples and oranges comparing world class lifters to average gym goers.
But it does prove the point that with proper technique etc these excercises don't have to be veterbrae munchers.
verybored
01-May-06, 12:14pm
exactly.....ive been doing them as well as squats since i started training and ive never had a back problem and ive played a hard contact sports as well.
Crushing and supporting hand strength are quite seperate tbh. Like I said, I closed the CoC#2, which is quite challenging, but I never trained enough to be able to close the #3 (only 50 or so people have closed it). I'd love to do heaps of grip work, but I don't have the time or CNS...
.What's the CoC#2?
Ah I should google before I think. Captains of Crush Gripper.
Might get myself one ;D My left grip is terrible, seeing I do all my snip work with my right hand at work.
website - http://www.captainsofcrush.couk.com/
miss innocent
22-May-06, 11:11pm
sooo... is deadlifting just like the first bit of the weightlifting they do at the olympics? how is it different to weightlifting?
can you do them at any gym?
miss innocent
22-May-06, 11:17pm
ps - thanks for the info nettsu - the pic helps a lot
white lie
23-May-06, 02:44am
Its not really the first bit of competition weight lifting that you see. I'd imagine you're comparing it to the clean and jerk, in which case its only similar in that you're lifting a weight from the ground. The clean, you lift from the ground in a power movement and get under the bar so its up near your chin. A deadlift only comes up near your hip like the pic shows.
You can do them anywhere, all you need is a barbell and some weight. :thumb:
miss innocent
23-May-06, 07:51am
i guess the aim is to lift as much weight as possible - do you have to hold it also for the longest possible time, or a set time, or just be able to lift it all?
in the pic nettsu posted it looks like hes just doing normal reps - is that it?
SpaceMonkey
23-May-06, 09:01am
i guess the aim is to lift as much weight as possible - do you have to hold it also for the longest possible time, or a set time, or just be able to lift it all?
in the pic nettsu posted it looks like hes just doing normal reps - is that it?
In competition you just have to grab the weight and stand up straight, that's it. As an excercise it's pretty much the same, grab bar, stand up, return to ground in controlled manner, repeat, although you'll often try to not quite return the bar all the way to the floor at the bottom ofthe movement. But it's all about the technique....
didjeridude
23-May-06, 11:46am
So why do Olympic lifters, who pull (wether it be snatch pulls, deadlifts, clean pulls etc.) and squat twice a day and 6 days a week all year have such a low rate of injury?
Lower than track & field athletes last time I checked.When was the last time you checked though?
Injury Rates and Profiles of Elite Competitive Weightlifters.
OBJECTIVE: To determine injury types, natures, anatomical locations, recommended amount of time missed, and injury rates during weightlifting training. DESIGN AND SETTING: We collected and analyzed medical injury records of resident athletes and during numerous training camps to generate an injury profile. SUBJECTS: Elite US male weightlifters who were injured during training at the United States Olympic Training Centers.
snip
CONCLUSIONS: The injuries typical of elite weightlifters are primarily overuse injuries, not traumatic injuries compromising joint integrity. These injury pattems and rates are similar to those reported for other sports and activities.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16558570&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
:lol: snap
miss innocent - forget about the numbers, just the maximum weight you can handle whilst maintaining the proper form
Handler
29-May-06, 11:35pm
CoC#2 - "No 2 is rarely closed by mortals."
I can confirm that DMPM is not a mortal.
DMPM when you go for 250, wear a nappy.
the beauty of that fucker is that he's tall too, so it's not short little stocky man syndrome of pushing big weights with tiny range of motion. the dude is a big fucker.
once you hit the high numbers, 150+, what's the best way to progress? do you go for max every week?
had to resurrect this thread after I saw this...
http://www.ericcressey.com/i/images/store_deadlift_big.jpg
When was the last time you checked though?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16558570&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum
Well quite a while ago I must admit, although like I said, the actual numbers were less than track & field athletes who I'm 100% sure dont lift as much. They were similar though. I just think that deadlifts and squats can actually be beneficial to trainees if done correctly.
CoC#2 - "No 2 is rarely closed by mortals."
I can confirm that DMPM is not a mortal.
DMPM when you go for 250, wear a nappy.
the beauty of that fucker is that he's tall too, so it's not short little stocky man syndrome of pushing big weights with tiny range of motion. the dude is a big fucker.
once you hit the high numbers, 150+, what's the best way to progress? do you go for max every week?
Well I like doing 6x1 @ 90% for a while, adding 2.5kg a week. Then I'll try to pull a max when I feel like it, usually after 4 or so week. Then I usally deload for a week, pull perhaps 6x1 @ 60%. Really wouldn't pull maxes each week, especially if you're squatting heavy too...
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