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oystergirl
25-Apr-02, 03:12pm
Sorry if this has already been covered in another thread, i dont come in this section that often but:
I had a listen to the cd yesterday at HMV, and im glad i was facing the wall because the expression on my face musta been... strange..
I was highly disappointed... I loved Selected Werks, very original stuff, but Tribalizm is just ...boring nu skool stuff, nothing spesh, and it even has a housey track onnit!
Reminded me very much of the Fingerlickin CDs...
and its all just like a compilation of tracks too...
Hmm..
What does anyone else think?
Forsaken
25-Apr-02, 06:52pm
ohh well
i think the cd is awesome, and gets a run in the cd player on a regular basis
I agree oystergirl -- no real feeling to it. Nuskool breaks bite. Got a copy to review and put it in the 'forget about it' pile.
Ya, it's a bit flat - there's a heavy progressive influence in there, maybe thats where he's heading. :|
yeh i wanted this Cd big time b/c i think tha mans a legend, but once i listened 2 it that was another story.
grabbed B.L.I.Ms modernism instead
basschild
26-Apr-02, 12:15pm
I'm just about to head of on my weekly Vinyl/CD purchasing mission, so I will investigate and return with my verdict !. I have been looking forward to this release for a while and have the sampler so it will be interesting.
Back soon.......
Breakz Junkie
26-Apr-02, 12:31pm
lack's a bit in funk, but compensates with toughness. not exactly my cup of tea, but some very choice tunes on there nonetheless. I don't think it's the same old at all, i think it's part of something new which is creeping into breaks: the more progressive and housier route. Alot of the tracks on there sound like tech-house. I think this album is aimed at bridging the gap between house and breaks and perhaps even breaks and breaks, because i think that breaks is fast becoming the new pinnacle in music elitism and snobbery. Good music is good music, remember that people.
I have become very disillusioned with Nu-School breaks over the last year. It seems it is crawling too far up it's own ass and getting way too serious. For a style of music that caught my attention because it was so different, it sure is all sounding ver y similar.
Is it heading in the direction of Trance ?I think it is becoming drug music - not much energy or fun behind it, just dark, llloooonnnnggg trancey breakdowns in which you can reach for the laser.
That said, there is still some great stuff being released, I just dont think the pioneering labels like TCR & Marine Parade are really looking to push anything new at the moment and the result is boring "same old" tunes. MOB on the other hand, keeps it all close to the funk and still has dark driving elements. Most of my fav darker breaks tracks lately have all been on little independent labels.
TwoUp.
basschild
26-Apr-02, 06:12pm
Not the best thing TCR or Rennie has done but none the less some fine funky choons on there !. Definitely on the progressive tip though which is interesting coming from Rennie.
TCR have always pushed things forward and you have to support them for continuing to do that, although I myself am not fully into the progressive thing. This is just one tangent of the rapidly splitting breaks ( and dance music ) scene.
Two Up makes a good point especially lately, alot of the choons that are inspiring me are not on the usual labels ( TCR, Marine Parade, Finger Lickin ) with exception of Dirty Waltzer's flipside Get It Girls !. Instead the smaller labels are pulling out some cool tracks/remixes such as MOB, Forged, Wireframe, Sound of Habib, Plastic Raygun and Kingsize. I think this is definately a good thing !.
oystergirl
26-Apr-02, 09:56pm
Thats a pretty funny coincidence b-boy, cos Modernizm was the next cd i listened to...on the verge of buying it too, but i have a habit of buying albums for only one track, and flat broke because of it...
Eskimo is a classic
didn't like it. too boring for me. well produced, not my cup of tea.
if this is where breaks is heading it needs to be derailed by funk.
Breakz Junkie
28-Apr-02, 11:49pm
Originally posted by TwoUp
I have become very disillusioned with Nu-School breaks over the last year. It seems it is crawling too far up it's own ass and getting way too serious. For a style of music that caught my attention because it was so different, it sure is all sounding ver y similar...
word up twoup....
how many of you have heard any of the 'coastal breaks' mix albums?... compare that with any mix of late...
hmmmmm :|
but i suppose innovation is always sacrificed to some extent when particular styles 'blow up' like breaks has over the past year.
djswitch
30-Apr-02, 04:35pm
anything lee coombs i think keeps the energy in nuskool
:tripping:
i fkn love it..
i bought the sampler two and then the tripple pack..
fkn quality tracks.. atmosphere rips it, the best is defintley black widow remix.. tough and funky.. wikid s.hit.
Danger Mouse
01-May-02, 05:59pm
Boring boring boring. If you've been listening to nu-skool for a while then nothing on this CD is 'nu' (no pun) at all. Just rehashed sounds and tough beats. Like Method said 'devoid of funk'.
When did all the funk go out of breakbeat?
Danger Mouse
02-May-02, 11:01am
What the hell is pfft?
When i say no funk -
I play breaks to mates of mine who grew up on Curtis / Gaye etc. If i show them the progression from there to something like Dirty Waltzer they can feel and almost see the funk.
No matter how hard I try I cannot make rennie's nu stuff accessible to these people. Its not funky. Its just boring. The whole CD sounds the same.
Breaks needs to re-invent itself. Or rediscover its roots. Trouble is most of the people listening and even writing breaks today don't know what its roots are.
Originally posted by Danger Mouse
Breaks needs to re-invent itself. Or rediscover its roots. Trouble is most of the people listening and even writing breaks today don't know what its roots are.
Well said Mr Mouse !!
But at the same time nu-school breaks has become a style of its own and not just a development of original breaks and funk. It borrows as much from electronic music as it does from acoustic music. It takes elements from techno, trance, big beat, breaks.
But I still like your comment
Danger Mouse
02-May-02, 11:13am
Right on two-up. By rediscovering its roots i didn't so much mean going back to taking little bits out of parliament songs or whatever. More people need to understand where its been in order to move it forward.
Initially when guys like Pilgrem and McMillan started puting Florida acid over the top of broken beats - that was nu-skool. They' knew where they'd come from and where they were going. It had direction. However now everyone is juming in in the middle of the story which makes it far to hard to figure out which bits have been done or not.
Anyway - I agree with you. I was trying to clarify but it got a bit messed up. Sorry for the verbal diorrhea people.
moniqker
02-May-02, 02:10pm
Nice comments, TU and DM.
Breakz Junkie
02-May-02, 04:32pm
Originally posted by Danger Mouse
What the hell is pfft?
When i say no funk -
I play breaks to mates of mine who grew up on Curtis / Gaye etc. If i show them the progression from there to something like Dirty Waltzer they can feel and almost see the funk.
No matter how hard I try I cannot make rennie's nu stuff accessible to these people. Its not funky. Its just boring. The whole CD sounds the same.
Breaks needs to re-invent itself. Or rediscover its roots. Trouble is most of the people listening and even writing breaks today don't know what its roots are.
"Pfffft" ... it's the sound of someone realising how narrow-minded someone saying there's no funk to rennie pilgrem's work is. Fair enough you can't get people who grew up on Curtis n' Gaye to feel this music, but try get someone who's been listening to Digweed, Lawler or straight up 4 on the floor beats for years to jump straight into finger lickin' style party breaks. It's not gonna happen... but with 'tribalism' alot of house-heads will feel the appeal on this type of work that people like meat katie have been paving the way for, for yeaaars. It serves the same purpose for prog. and house heads as "funky breaks" does for your friends. As i said before, it's bridging the gaps. Open your mind. There's still alot to tribalism that can be appreciated.
Furthermore, it would be nice... but is certainly not nececcary for all people listening to and writing breaks to understand *the history of breaks.* People know what they like to hear and write. They should draw on whatever roots THEY have. That's what the big spectrum of breaks is about isn't it?... being able to draw on so many different influences. In the end, music is music, and over-indulging into music as a scholarly purist subject is what creates elitism and purism within the scene. If anything, i'd rather people write music without the pretense that they have to deliver something cutting edge and new, because often that leads to piss farting about with abstract sounds for the sake of being different... and terms like "intelligent breaks" are born. *shudder* Music should be written from the heart.
Danger Mouse
02-May-02, 04:59pm
"and terms like "intelligent breaks" are born. *shudder* Music should be written from the heart."
"As i said before, it's bridging the gaps. "
"They should draw on whatever roots THEY have. That's what the big spectrum of breaks is about isn't it?... "
Totally agree man.
I understand where you're coming from and the whole appeal of triablizms stuff to prog heads etc. Showing them how THEIR music has been incorporated into breakbeat.
Plus - I'm not arguing - I'm just stating a personal preference. Rennie's earlier stuff was wickid. 'A Place Called Acid' is still one of the most important dance tunes ever made. 'Someplace Funky' - right on!!! I personally feel some of the more recent TCR stuff has lost it's way. I say this as a DJ. Dancefloors that moved to the old stuff don't move for so much of the new stuff. I personally find it less interesting also. However there are new dancefloors appearing made up partly of proggy converts for whom it does work. No questions.
"How can it be bullshit to state a personal preference?" (High Fidelity).
PS - Please don't tell me to open my mind again.
word breaks junkie.. danger mouse>> calling "the whole album boring with no fuck" is just plain narrow minded..
Breakz Junkie
02-May-02, 11:53pm
exactlyyyy, i got no problem with people stating their opinions whatsoever, as long as they substantiate it with something. You can't just straight up say an entire album is devoid of funk and leave it at that, because "funk" like alot of things is essentially conceptual and in the ear of the beholder. But i'm definitely open for people to say "i think that "x" has no funk because..."
>you know, constructive criticism, like your last post dangermouse, thank you... keep that up and i'll have no need to tell you to open your mind again.
p.s. 'a place called acid' was most definitely a rockin and important tune. Rennie was on some other shit when he brought that out and alot of my confidence in him now comes from those early days of breakbeat pioneering. No way has he fallen of the horse, he's pushing another angle he believes in with 'tribalism.' He rocked it with all this dark housey sounding breakbeat when he played in canberra not too long ago. Converted a hardcore progressive fan of mine, who went home and started downloading rennie pilgrem mp3 sets. so there you go! :) Maybe one day genres will bump and cross over so much we'll all be friends and there'll just be 2 categorisations... good music and gabba. ;) :lol:
Who expected an album called "Tribalizm" to be total funk anyway?
I'm not going to piss in anyones pockets here. I bought and enjoy the album (LP's)... I think Rennie is doing what any pioneer of any sound should do - and diversify.
Rennie has grabbed the attention of Curtis 'n Gaye fans, new comers to breaks and each new release is still highly anticipated by any breaks cat .... why can't he open another door in to progressive and tribal (his forte, really) and bring in some more heads... let the sound diversify in itself - its matureing.
TCR has long had immediate bombs, funk and tribal driven tracks aswell as the slower and more "listenable" tunes (ie: dont have to dance to) and breaks have been LONG incorporated into a wide genre of music, I think its GOOD to have Rennie Pilgrem in control.
..............anyone up for some Meat Katie?
oystergirl
03-May-02, 10:55am
YAW MEAT KATIE!! he made my night at GCSSS :blush:
no i didnt expect RP to be funk..
thanks for all the feedback, didnt really anticipate the depth of ur analyses ;) , actually dont even understand half the stuff u guys are arguing about, but nevertheless ....:D
moniqker
03-May-02, 12:44pm
Maybe one day genres will bump and cross over so much we'll all be friends and there'll just be 2 categorisations... good music and gabba.
:lol:
oh my, sometimes i wonder when people rediscovered, or should i just say discovered funk. its like you talk about it like a new phenomenon, the new standard or something.
curtis mayfield and marvin gaye pfft, come on, there is soooo much more to funk than those obvious examples and although i know the intention was not to be overly specific when mentioning these names, i have to admit they are some of the most overly accessible funk artist i can think of... no wonder your friends don't like something a little more obscure... funk too has many levels of accessibility.
i agree with TwoUp when he says:
But at the same time nu-school breaks has become a style of its own and not just a development of original breaks and funk. It borrows as much from electronic music as it does from acoustic music. It takes elements from techno, trance, big beat, breaks.
and thats why i like it (well at least some of the time)
maybe tribalizm isn't a success with you people but "blowpipe" off selected werks is painful. overall, selected werks is probably more original and creative, but i think tribalizm has its own little thing to say within the explosion of 'nu skool' (gay term, can we change it?) breaks.
DirtyBigDingo
04-May-02, 01:25am
Ok i noticed somebody said something about parliament...was gonna right something about hip hop and funk and breaks...but thought....nah
The breaks scene is gay...
changed my mind....
Ok...so theres funk samples/breaks if you like on nearly every fukken hip hop album.....people hate hip hop.....they pretend they dont, but I know the truth....Personally I love the shit....however....nu breaks or whatever the fuck you want to call it, has sucked the soul from the original music....sound pretty fucked up....it is...who am I...a skinny white guy with no clue maybe...but i say this, hip hop works because it is mainly black music appropriated into black music, by blacks....it sounds fukken good...nu breaks are cheesy, poppy, and candy cane because they're made by people who are influenced by black music but grew up with white culture. That said....i like some nu breaks....like i said.....changed my mind....Choose to like what you want.....who gives a fuck? Why do people have to wear music like a fukking badge of honour? Just fukking listen to the shit....where am i going...... I guess i'm just saying its a fukking candy store....another thing that makes me laugh is shit like...."the festival of the 'fro"....at the Globe....how many fukking africans would you see there?.....none most likely, just trendy little fools who dreamed of fucking Corey Haim last night. That said i was going to go when Kutmasta Kurt was playing, even though would have been hard not getting cheese stains all over myself whilst parting the crowds..."I just love it how breaks are sooo, you know, funky..." "Curtis Mayfield were such a good band"........"My dick is huuuge"...."hey mate, what's up?"
Am I being a tad hypocritical? Of course i fuckken am....Sniff some Dingo shit....not shite...
ritS.....ritS...ritS......
ps...ok47.....i love you girl....and that King Errisson tune...you know the one....I love it....that to me is real breaks.....
I now remove all badges.....
Breakz Junkie
04-May-02, 11:27am
who am I...a skinny white guy with no clue maybe
word man, word.
anglo's talking about how anglo-fied a genre is is really fucked.
"y'know ... [vanilla] ice is going to be around for a long time"
DirtyBigDingo
05-May-02, 11:02am
"click"......."click"........."click"......"click"......"click"........"click".........
Reload....
djswitch
06-May-02, 05:21pm
can i get some constructive critisism on my new track please ?
im not going to brand it with a genre.. yet.. ill let you guys decide
http://members.optushome.com.au/inertia
thanks in advance
CheelWinston
03-Aug-02, 05:35pm
dangermouse, you seem to have contradicted yourself...
how can you say rennies new stuff isnt 'nu' and then complain that breaks need to go backwards?
this cd isnt good or isnt funky because people who listen to 70s funk dont like it?!
im listening to it now and you cant deny it has funk... i cant see anyone not dancing to his/blims remix of uberzone - bounce, its funky as.
thats what i liked about this album and why i thought it was 'nu' and original, its funky but not as in-your-face funky as (say) the fingerlickin stuff. its a more subtle funk.
i dont think this is more progressive, i think its more techy (the first half especially), not in the sense that it uses 'techy' sounds, but techy rythms. progressive breaks has been around for a fair while now and this aint it. i dont think breaks is going the way of trance (did trance not gain energy as it evolved?), i dont think its going in any direction, or, its going in 5 directions at once. sasha's artist album has some fairly trancy/melodic breaks on it, freq nasty's y4k is a dn'b/2step/breaks mashup of epic proportions, tribalizm is dark and techy, bla bla bla.
what the fcuk am i saying?
factive
03-Aug-02, 06:00pm
i don't like it.
i don't like freq nasty's y4k either. :|
CheelWinston
04-Aug-02, 04:34am
Originally posted by factive
i don't like it.
i don't like freq nasty's y4k either. :|
well... whats wrong with you then!?! :P
Andrew Wowk
04-Aug-02, 09:50am
i actually saw it and thought...nah......but cos i had time 2 kill, had a listen...and fuck me......its probably the best breaks cd ive ever heard......bought it right away!! well dats just my opinion neway
According to Cheelwinston youre only allowed to have an opinion if u back it up...
so cmon andrew wowk... out with it. :p
CheelWinston
04-Aug-02, 12:10pm
Originally posted by zell
According to Cheelwinston youre only allowed to have an opinion if u back it up...
damn straight! ;)
lik-my-box
04-Aug-02, 05:06pm
word nt80. get that ganstar posing out of here, poof. speak like an australian u bottom feeder
As the name indicates, Tribalizm is a compilation of much darker, tribal and progressive sounding breaks tracks. A mate of mine bought the LP, I particularly like the koma and bones remix of hide u and black widow. As all genres evolve they tend to branch off and develop different sounds, the same is happening with breaks.
factive
04-Aug-02, 10:21pm
word nt80. get that ganstar posing out of here, poof. speak like an australian u bottom feeder
r u talking to me girlfriend?
i dont like them because "i think" any of the other y4k compilations piss on freq nastys and tribalizm
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