Cdj100s a toy or slightly worthy

[Tristan W]

I'm am a vinyl dj I have read everything there is to know about cdj200's-800's-1000's but have no idea about 100's. I wish to purchase a cdj800 or 1000 with the intention of selling a turntable and getting another one later on(when that will be I don't know $$$?) and I have heaps of digital music that I am dying to mix. However I have just seen 2 x 100's for a very modest price(I could comfortably sell them not losing a cent and they are a lot cheaper than 200’s or 800’s) and my questions to you all are:

1. Are they really that sh*t..?

2. Could I get on 1000's in a club and mix straight away after using the 100's?

3. Is the pleasure of being able to mix all my digital stuff straight away on average cdj’s better than mixing between vinyl and a better cdj?

4. I will also need to use at least one of them to play a weekly gig at bar?

ps: Before anyone says serato I have already been through that dilemma and have decided I want to use cdj's at this stage

[saad]

100's really are utter shit, IMO. Get an 800 if anything

[ChemicalJames]

Pitch incriments are too large. Like .2 or .5 or something.

[Tristan W]

but for the price of a one 800 i can get two of these and save a couple hundred bucks. I will sell them in the future to upgrade I'm looking at a quick fix here

[Donnie Darko]

I think the general feeling is:

cdj200 as a bare minimum

100s are just too much pain
Although, the harder to beatmatch with the better you'd prob become
(like bradman hitting a pebble with a stick)

[Tha Gooch]

lol - 100's are great for what they are, and for club mixing they easily do the job

and yes after using them you will pick up all the other pioneer cdj's real easy

I am a vinyl DJ but early last year did a 6 month residency at a place thata had only those, basically I had it down well enuff to mix after about 10 mins, had the whole unit sussed by the end of the night ;)

I found them alot of fun, obviously not as much fun as an 800 with its looping , but for straight up mixing I found them ok

just my 2c

[P_A_Sime]

Quick fix = money waisted.

[akashanelson]

I used them at a NYE gig and they were fine, granted I had to work a little harder, but at the end the day you can either hold a beat or not. A good craftsman never blames his tools

[Tristan W]

surely the pitch is more accurate than the 1200's.

[Tha Gooch]

100s are just too much pain
Although, the harder to beatmatch with the better you'd prob become
(like bradman hitting a pebble with a stick)

haha i like that analogy - sorry but i think people saying the 'increments are too big!" or "utter sh*T" is pretty funny

give me a break~! :lol: they do just fine and have been doing just fine across the country in many clubs and pubs for years, it was only when the new 1000's came out the 800's got ridiculously cheap 2nd hand and they started to make their way into the clubs

trust me before that if you rocked up to a club and it had 800's you were stoked!
it normally meant you were playing at a nice club, or the place had just opened and hadnt had their gear wrecked yet :lol:

[Tristan W]

Quick fix = money waisted.

not if you can sell them for more than you paid

[pete_mac]

Pitch incriments are too large. Like .2 or .5 or something.

Whoa there cowboy! I don't know of any CD decks that have such coarse pitch resolution.

CDJ100's are 0.1%
CDJ800's are 0.05%
CDJ1000's and CDJ200's are 0.02%

(based on using the narrowest pitch range... if you select a wider pitch range of +/-16% or +/-100% or something similar, the pitch resolution increases)

[Donnie Darko]

least thier not denons :P

[P_A_Sime]

Denons are for the High IQ DJ ;)

[voodoo people]

go for the 200 or 1000 imo. 800's don't have as accurate a pitch adjustment (as above) and they just feel shit to use. however i'm not sure about the 800mkII's

[Tristan W]

Some good advice here. Don't get me wrong I realise that the 800mk2's and the 1000's are where it is at and I wouldn't get a 200 because for a little more you can get a 800, however the price I am looking at I am getting 2 100's for the price of one 200. I think gooch answered my question "they'll do da trick". I just wanna start mixing some of my digi tracks and with these I can mix all my digi stuff instead of having to mix into vinyl. All the bells and whistles won't help if I can't mix my favourite mp3 into another one of my favourite mp3's. I can always buy an 800 or 1000 in a couple of months and sell one of the little buggers.

[DJ D one]

I used them at a NYE gig and they were fine, granted I had to work a little harder, but at the end the day you can either hold a beat or not. A good craftsman never blames his tools

Surely you either hold a beat or not, but good craftsman have good tools to begin with.
Apart from quality factor you can beatmix with any CD player (In general) so long it does have a pitch slider (And the music you try to mix is within range), some pitch buttons/or a wheel to nudge.

I know some lower model tend to have a limited pitch range such as 4 10 16%, while top models usually get 100% with pitch lock as well.

At the end of the day since you are already a dj I'll recommend you get what is suitable for you and in that case nothing lower than the 800 you should consider. I find that you always will want something better at the end, but starting with a cdj100 will not keep you busy for long.

They is always a little adaptation time from getting from one cd player to another one, and I think specially from 100 to 1000, it is like that with all equipment, especially for the pitch slider that can take time to master the sensivity, once you find your marks then all falls into place, depend on some people for some can take a couple of songs for some might take some days....

I recently moved from Numark CDN90 to Denon DN-S3500, took me a fair bit to get my marks back, plus also changed mixer and had a ball trying to figure out right amount of sound for my cueing, plus also changed headphones, so all in all quiet a shock really, but normal for me.

Consider Denon DNS3500 as well they are cool.

Here for the price second hand what I observed:
800mkii x 2 should find in between 1400-1600 common on ebay
1000mkii x 2 should find between 2200 - 2400 once every 2-3 weeks on ebay (Sometimes few at the same moment)
DNS3500 x 2 should find between 2000-2200 not so often but they keep appearing from to time.

If I had to go for lower range DNS1000, would be something I would to try...some guy from the US do sell them with EURO voltage in for less than here. Last time the was a set sold for $1000 with numark dxm06 mixer, was a bargain...too bad and good I already had purchased the DNS3500.

Anyway good luck...don't get CDJ100...

DJD1

[Spitchen]

100s are a pain in the ar_se to use as they always go out of synch once you've got a track matched with another. Further the accuracy of the jog wheel is poor compared to the 800/1000s.

yes, you can beatmatch with them but once you've used a 800 or 1000 then they are quite frustrating to use.

[DJ D one]

I am sure you will have no problem mixing...and I am sure you will want to upgrade very quickly...if it makes you happy this way...buy them...no problem with them...though check they have a least 10% pitch range, 4% can be a pain...lol don't worry about pitch resolution.

DJD1

[Neo_]

Waa Waa Waa.


:slap: :slap:

[ShyBoy]

I dont understand why people bag out 100's so much?

I have had mine 100's for years and they have never skipped a beat. They are rugged little units and can take a beating.

All this talk about the jog wheel etc, people - if you cant get used to the jog response in a few tracks you shouldnt be a DJ! Personally I think the 800 has one of the worst jog wheels ever. It has next to no resistance and just keeps spinning when nudged.




trust me before that if you rocked up to a club and it had 800's you were stoked!

it normally meant you were playing at a nice club, or the place had just opened and hadnt had their gear wrecked yet

Exactly!

Remember the days when you would rock up to a venue that had the old Denon dual CD players. It didnt take long to work out what sort of response you were going to get out of the 'pitch bend' button. Whats the difference between this and a jog wheel?

Most of you sound like divas 'I wont touch anything but less than an 800'. I bet that most of you would never even attempt a loop so you would have no need for that feature....

[DJ D one]

CDN90 had no resistance mechanism in the wheel, was just about control the right force to push it and stop it if not it would continue, got very well adapted to it...all in the practice you put in the equipment and getting to know it...I am sure there is nothing wrong with 100 just putting the practise time in your gear...sure we all complain after trying something that is a bit different to operate from what we are use to, doesn't mean it is not good...just have patience.
DJD1

[Tristan W]

Okay my opinion is changing again. I do hate shit equipment and the main reason i wanted one of the big boys in the first place is so i would be comfortable with one in the club. The cheapest I've seen a 800mk11 on ebay for is 900 used and 1100 new delivered. i also keep havin the ol' 800mk11 vs an older 1000 dilemma.

The thing that has made this harder is that not that long ago I lost $2500 through an elaborate fraud trying to buy a couple of 1000's.

By the way I like the denons but they don't seem to be in the da clubs

[Tristan W]

Okay my opinion is changing again. I do hate shit equipment and the main reason i wanted one of the big boys in the first place is so i would be comfortable with one in the club. The cheapest I've seen a 800mk11 on ebay for is 900 used and 1100 new delivered. i also keep havin the ol' 800mk11 vs an older 1000 dilemma.

The thing that has made this harder is that not that long ago I lost $2500 through an elaborate fraud trying to buy a couple of 1000's.

By the way I like the denons but they don't seem to be in the da clubs

[DJ D one]

800mkii for $800 pretty common, seen one with $750buyitnow lately, $900 is not a good deal.
1000 older yeah really depend from whom you are getting it...getting stuff from DJ not really recommended though from noob quitting much better.

If Denons are not in DA club well bring it on, they are all over Europe, only in Austrlia people are so narrow minded when it comes to gear...Denons kick arses...but then again I should really try a CDJ1000 to compare. Never mind I love my decks, that rotating platter give me a hard on, watch some youtube videos about it and you will want to get them.

DJD1

[FH_Jimbob]

Quick fix = money waisted.

QFT

[rounser]

The only real quality problem with CDJs I've heard of is too slow a reaction time when you hit play (i.e. not storing first few bits of cue position waveform in memory so the laser has a chance to catch up). Pioneer and Denon brands are both fine in this respect, with response in a handful of milliseconds, apparently. The other brands are suspect - again, apparently. If Liv got away with beatmatching on that thing she has for years, you'll be fine with pioneer 100s Tristan, especially since 170bpm stuff didn't fall apart on me when I had a pair. There was a stage when 100s were becoming the CDJ "1200s" in the UK; they may have been superceded but that doesn't suddenly make them crap retroactively.

[Tristan W]

i reckon I'll get one 800 or 1000 and a 100. Best of both worlds

[DJ D one]

I have seen hybrid 800/1000 but nothing like 100/800 or 1000. Though why not? Some people must have all kind of hybrid setup.
Anyway what is your budget? May be you can post some "want to buy" request on the buying and selling forum...you might get lucky...

DJD1

[DJ D one]

Also there is a comparison chart outhere for all the pioneers cd player, might be worthwhile having a look before you commit, as well going and having a look at the beast in your local DJ store, might be a good idea, may be you can also try.

DJD1

[ChemicalJames]

I thought cdj 100's had a pictch incriments higher than .1

Is that over a +-4% range or some shit?

Who wants to use that? I got by the incriments over +-10% coz that's ussually what i use.

[DJ D one]

I think the pirch range is 8 and 16
no cue point memory/no scratching

[rounser]

I thought cdj 100's had a pictch incriments higher than .1

Is that over a +-4% range or some shit?

Who wants to use that? I got by the incriments over +-10% coz that's ussually what i use.
It's either an internet myth or irrelevant. If you can mix dnb/hardcore/gabber on CDJ100s (and you can; all the UK hardcore DJs used to use them), then slower genres will have all the pitch resolution they need. But whatever. :)
no cue point memory/no scratching
Unless you're referring to something else, 100s have cue point, and store it in memory for fast playback...how the heck would you mix without it?

There's also three effects (flanging, a sudden-pitch-wind-down thing and some sort of filter from memory) and pitch-locked, tempo-variable timestretching to allow for pitch mixing if you're that way inclined.

[ChemicalJames]

:lol: @ picth incriments being irrelevent.

[rounser]

@ picth incriments being irrelevent.
Not irrelevant, of course there's a theoretical point where they become a problem. But the resolution on the 100s isn't the issue you're making it out to be if you can mix gabber on them quite happily - which you can. If there was a problem you'd be hearing it from people who play the faster genres first, and there's been not a word on it on dnb nor hardcore forums that I know of, and nor have I had any problems back in the day.

[plan-b]

though check they have a least 10% pitch range, 4% can be a pain...

Not if you never mix at more than +/- 3%

[ChemicalJames]

that's because hardcore sounds shit either way :P

[plan-b]

If there was a problem you'd be hearing it from people who play the faster genres first, and there's been not a word on it on dnb nor hardcore forums that I know of, and nor have I had any problems back in the day.
wrong... you'd be hearing from people who mix slower genre's first... because typically mixing slower music generally involves longer mixers... thus more time and chance for the mix to slip out...

[big eddie]

5 years ago no one knew what the pitch increment on the cd players were

[plan-b]

5 years ago no one knew what the pitch increment on the cd players were
5 years ago it was uncommon to see DJs play CDs

[DJ D one]

I think the range is 10/16 not 8/16 on the CDJ and I am not sure wether you can store your cue point in memory (Who cares anyway, I never do store cue point).

Plan B
Mixing at 3% good for you, I do go like to go from125 to 128 or 132 to 128, so yeah I am close as well within the 4%, right now I am though fixed at 10%, and that is the way I like, coz yes on the Denon the pitch increment at 4% is something like 0.02...and really small increments like this give me the shit instead and does not help me at all, makes me waste my time, so at 10% I am at 0.05 and I am okay with it.

DJD1

[ChemicalJames]

denons are .1 at 10%

except maybe the 3500

[rounser]

wrong... you'd be hearing from people who mix slower genre's first... because typically mixing slower music generally involves longer mixers... thus more time and chance for the mix to slip out...
Beatmixing is more prone to trainwrecks at 126 bpm than at 175 bpm you reckon? It's an interesting theory, I'll give you that... I'm sure we could argue the toss until the cows come home, but I know which I find less stressful to mix by a long shot.

Anecdotally, I find 175 bpm breaks significantly easier to mix than 175 bpm kicks - it seems to be a lot more "obvious" when kickdrums begin to flail as opposed to snares...more trainwrecky, many more casualties. :) So no matter who has the math on their side, there's a subjective aspect to trainwrecking as well. Or maybe the 2-step swing of dnb tracks gives me more of a mental handle on the tempo than 4-to-the-floor? Who knows.

[Tristan W]

23442

isn't it cute

"Tempo Control
A two-step switch allows you to set the tempo range to either -16% +10% or +/-10%, while a long-stroke slide provides rapid control over playback speed."

[P_A_Sime]

I cant be fooked re-reading the thread, but whoever asked about the pitch range on the 100's, go have a farkin mix on them and find out if it suits you.

[DJ D one]

Yeah 3500 are 0.05 at 10% and I stay in this range not because of the increment but because it suits me, I really do not give a shit about increment so long it is .1, would have been increment of 1 I would be more concerned. What make the difference for me is the travelling, I used to set my pitch range on 100% on my cdn90 (Don't ask why) then because the pitch slider is small (Half the size of the 3500) was making a little move travel a few bpm, so I was used to the sensibility, now I am getting used to he sensibility and travelling of the 3500, all a matter of getting use to it. Once you do goooooooood. Don't give damn about increment, if I fell I am sleeping off I nudge way before any dick can notice it on the dance floor...but if I have got it right way before I launch it live, I have no problem . If you sleep by a lot you will hear very quick then you are not at the same tempo to begin with anyway.

DJD1

[Tristan W]

any one used a denon dns 1000 are they similar to use to the pioneers

[plan-b]

I think the range is 10/16 not 8/16 on the CDJ and I am not sure wether you can store your cue point in memory (Who cares anyway, I never do store cue point).

Plan B
Mixing at 3% good for you, I do go like to go from125 to 128 or 132 to 128, so yeah I am close as well within the 4%, right now I am though fixed at 10%, and that is the way I like, coz yes on the Denon the pitch increment at 4% is something like 0.02...and really small increments like this give me the shit instead and does not help me at all, makes me waste my time, so at 10% I am at 0.05 and I am okay with it.

DJD1

I don't know about everyone else, but I like to keep a constant tempo when mixing two tracks together :P:P

I mix from 120bpm-145bpm, but imo producers write tracks to be played at a specific tempo... once you start to go outside of that 3% range, the track loses it's ultimate "ooomph"... If I feel the need to play faster, I'll play a faster track, not pitch up a slower track...

Beatmixing is more prone to trainwrecks at 126 bpm than at 175 bpm you reckon? It's an interesting theory, I'll give you that... I'm sure we could argue the toss until the cows come home, but I know which I find less stressful to mix by a long shot.

Not necessarily.... but train wrecks are definately more noticeable at 126bpm... and not as easy to fix up without being "noticed"... from mixing mates dnb tracks (I play progressive house and trance...) the broken beat aspect definately helps get into the swing of things...

Something else friends who predominately mix house (and even dnb) point out when jumping on my decks is that the progressive/trance basslines are a lot more "rounded" and not as "sharp" as their music

I cant be fooked re-reading the thread, but whoever asked about the pitch range on the 100's, go have a farkin mix on them and find out if it suits you.

don't waste your time... this thread blows...

[Tristan W]

I have seen a package for 2 x dns1000 and dnx 100 mixer for 1100 i think i'm gonna buy it. better than one 800

[P_A_Sime]

I have seen a package for 2 x dns1000 and dnx 100 mixer for 1100 i think i'm gonna buy it. better than one 800


That would have to be 2nd hand, no way for brand new.

[Spitchen]

I dont understand why people bag out 100's so much?

All this talk about the jog wheel etc, people - if you cant get used to the jog response in a few tracks you shouldnt be a DJ! Personally I think the 800 has one of the worst jog wheels ever. It has next to no resistance and just keeps spinning when nudged.


Remember the days when you would rock up to a venue that had the old Denon dual CD players. It didnt take long to work out what sort of response you were going to get out of the 'pitch bend' button. Whats the difference between this and a jog wheel?

Most of you sound like divas 'I wont touch anything but less than an 800'. I bet that most of you would never even attempt a loop so you would have no need for that feature....

Wrong.

I learnt on the dual Denons with only a pitch bend button. I just don't like the 100s. I don't think they are the worst out there but I find their accuracy poor. Sure, the 800s jog wheel is nothing special but at least its accurate.

[crazy_tripper]

I mix from 120bpm-145bpm, but imo producers write tracks to be played at a specific tempo... once you start to go outside of that 3% range, the track loses it's ultimate "ooomph"... If I feel the need to play faster, I'll play a faster track, not pitch up a slower track...


lol really? it's way more fun to change things up, put in tracks that are way out of whack just to surprise people, all part of doing something different on turntables.

[Tristan W]

second hand 7 months use. The mixer doesn't sound too bad either.

[plan-b]

lol really? it's way more fun to change things up, put in tracks that are way out of whack just to surprise people, all part of doing something different on turntables.

I've got enough accapella's, surprise bootlegs and unexpected tracks in my bag for that...

I'd rather the song sound at it's optimum ;)

[DJ D one]

any one used a denon dns 1000 are they similar to use to the pioneers

Hey Tris, basically all the cd players work the same (I said basically), then some have more features than others. Usually you press the play button and here you go. The only thing that is basically different is the feel of it, some like this jog wheel some hate it etc...at the end it is all about how you can make the transition from one player to another as far as the feel goes, the quicker you can get to feel it the better, sometimes it can take longer, just like cars mate... I have seen that package on ebay, I have a DNX300 wich is basically the same has the DNX100, DNX300 is okay, though I miss my little dxm06. If I had the spare money surely I will buy that package, I think it is agreat little package, even at 1100 it is worth it to my opinion.

Hey Plan-B I understand u mean to keep the song you are playing from the same range of BPM. I don't know about producers, but when I run the show, I couldn't care less about what the producer intended to do or whatever. If you'd think like that, there would be no remix...
But hey to each his own style, one thing I like is start 128 with some house and then up gradually to throw the trance...

DJD1

[plan-b]

Hey Plan-B I understand u mean to keep the song you are playing from the same range of BPM. I don't know about producers, but when I run the show, I couldn't care less about what the producer intended to do or whatever.

maybe not... but as I said earlier, the track usually sounds best and has the most ooomph at around +/- 3%....

If you'd think like that, there would be no remix...

:slap:

Uh... yeh there would.... last time I checked remixers are usually commissioned to do a remix usually chosen by the original producer often to get a different interpretation of the track... Uncommissioned remixes and bootlegs are usually done by the remixer if they have feel they have different ideas or can interpret the track another way... or at times, as a tribute to the producer...

But hey to each his own style, one thing I like is start 128 with some house and then up gradually to throw the trance...

Me too... but I still don't need to go overboard on the pitch control to do it...

[Tristan W]

Cheers dj d1 thats what I figured. It can't be much different than jumpin on a different mixer. The guy is new to ebay and I am just trying to work out a payment method I am happy with. Can't trust anyone now after losing that $2500.

[DJ D one]

Hey Tris, I got scammed on ebay once as well, so I know the feeling of waiting for that thing that never show up. I think paypal is the safest way, but to a certain amount. You will think that direct deposit is safe...but as I found out it was not.

Plan B you are right about that pitch control, if you gradullay go up, surely 4% is good, I just choose 10% because I like that kind of travelling time on the slider, I feel comfortable with it, I am sure you understand what I mean...Do you have 3500s?

[ChemicalJames]

I'll just say what the rest of us are thinking:


:lol: @ everyone in this thread with less than 300 posts.

Worst thread ever.

[Dik_Bob]

If you want something to mix digital music on at home, use software with a controller.

If you want to learn how to use a CDJ so you feel confident in a club and don’t have the cash to by an 800 or 3500, either hire or borrow one to get used to it.. Or you could do what I did and ask the club owner if you could go in before they opened for a half hour famil session. If you can competently beat match with vinyl it wont take that long to figure out how to transfer those skills to CDJ’s.

[beattun]

what the fuck are you haters on about?

cdj 100s are fine, many international djs used to bring one with them around the world when they were the best pioneer deck available

what the fuck do you want? its a cd turntable with no bells and whistles, same as a 1200.

so it doesnt do loops and spinbacks, big deal, play with two copies of the same track...

ive been using a 100 and a 500 (with 2 1200s) for 5 years now simply cos i cant afford to upgrade to a 1000 and i dont feel hindered in any way.

its a good way to start off and get a feel for cds, ten times better than any of those fucking denon or nurmark duals.

[Tristan W]

Yeah good thinkin. I've got about $1000 to play with so I think i might buy one of the big boys. I need it for my regular bar gig anyway.

[johnjay]

meh i got citronics cd6

does everything the cdj1000 does except no spinning platter.

Im willing to sellit for $900, that for two fkn and it comes with a roadcase

[plan-b]

meh i got citronics cd6

does everything the cdj1000 does except no spinning platter.

Im willing to sellit for $900, that for two fkn and it comes with a roadcase
CDJ1000 platter doesn't spin...

[johnjay]

i've seen it do so, im talking about mark 3

[plan-b]

i've seen it do so, im talking about mark 3
I can promise you the jog dial/platter doesn't spin by itself...

[ShyBoy]

wrong... you'd be hearing from people who mix slower genre's first... because typically mixing slower music generally involves longer mixers... thus more time and chance for the mix to slip out...

Hip hop and RnB are generally 80-100bpm and are beatmixed for around 10-15 seconds

[plan-b]

Hip hop and RnB are generally 80-100bpm and are beatmixed for around 10-15 seconds
they don't count :P

[DSILVR]

I've got enough accapella's, surprise bootlegs and unexpected tracks in my bag for that...

I'd rather the song sound at it's optimum ;)



Zomg, hook us up with accapella's ;D pleasssee

By the way i respect that with the going fater thing, but really all depends on the genre imo

[DSILVR]

I'll just say what the rest of us are thinking:


:lol: @ everyone in this thread with less than 300 posts.

Worst thread ever.


Yes, i am over 300! :haha:

[badbwoy]

i've seen it do so, im talking about mark 3

Lay off the K

[plan-b]

Lay off the K
:lol:

[outbacklad]

If you think the CDj100 is hard, think again. I learnt on old standard home CD players and managed quite well. No pitch control, and in emergency recently I used a portable player and still managed to keep the floor pumping. Its how well you can learn to manage with what you have. I have the money these days to buy whatever high tech unit is out there, but don't see the need. I also play at counry pubs and you mix in the barnseys, ACDC, CCR with the dance tunes. Take a moment to have a look out side the square and you will see how easy it is diversify/manage alternate options. Cheers and good luck.

[Blu-Dome]

i dont have 300 posts lol, but i do have a pair of cdj 100's and have borrowed my mates 800's for a while.

the accuracy is an issue on the 100's, i find it def take more tweaking to keep it in sync. When i went back to my 100's from the 800's it took me a few annoying hours to get used to it again but thats it.

For me it came down to price and how long i would have to wait to have decks if i didnt buy the 100's. If you working full time and its a matter of months then def wait and go the higher models. But if you are a bum like i was and it will be years or a massive debt to get the 800's or 1000's then look out for a sale and hit up the 100's.

i got my two in a djwarehouse sale i think and the pair was less than $800.


like i said all depends on how long you can wait without decks. i couldnt hack it :)

[bobshled]

If you think the CDj100 is hard, think again. I learnt on old standard home CD players and managed quite well. No pitch control, and in emergency recently I used a portable player and still managed to keep the floor pumping. Its how well you can learn to manage with what you have. I have the money these days to buy whatever high tech unit is out there, but don't see the need. I also play at counry pubs and you mix in the barnseys, ACDC, CCR with the dance tunes. Take a moment to have a look out side the square and you will see how easy it is diversify/manage alternate options. Cheers and good luck.

This thread hasn't seen any activity in over 3 months so the creator has probably already come to a conclusion..

[Dee Jay Mikey]

cdj 500 for the win...................( sarcasm)