Trying to Decide on a New Mixer - need some user advice

[pfalzon]

I'm looking at upgrading from my 3yr old DXM06 over the next few weeks.
Still can't decide what to get. So far I have narrowed it down to either Nuo5, Xone 92 or DJM800. They all have their Pro's and Con's and not one of them would keep me 100% pleased but I'll buy whatever is the best fit in the end.

Shits me that Pioneer did not include full cut EQ's again. Do they do this for a reason and is it such a problem not to have full cut???
Basically it would be good to get some feedback on what styles of mixing these 3 models are suited for. I mix primariliy Tech house Minimal and Prog.
The DXM06 was fine to learn on but I think I am quickly outgrowing it. I own both decks and CDJ's now so 2 channels is pushing it. Also the faders on the DXM06 are not very smooth and the sound seems quite average. Any improvements in these areas would be a bonus.

Since I own both Turntables and CD's would I be better off owning a Digital Mixer or an analouge mixer?? To date I don't use EFX's a great deal. Probably Filter is the most useful one. Price is not an issue as they are all arount the same ballpark price.

I'm gonna try and have a play with each mixer if possible over the next two weekends but any advise would be appreciated.

PF

[Bracko]

there's a new vestax PMC580 coming out.... it may or may not be a viable option.

[richcur]

Don't forget the Denon dn-x1500. 4ch mixer fully digital etc, your favourite effect the filter is available, as is a separate send/return section, and sampler. I mix the same type of tunes as you, and rate this mixer very well - it's also a damn sight cheaper than your other options.

[Portal]

Nuo ftw

[pfalzon]

I heard that the DJM800 is not ideal if you are using TT's.

Are the Faders & EQ's on the Nuo similar to the 92???

Something I like about my DXM06 is the ability to practise mix through my headphones. This is good for late night mixing so I dont piss off the neighbours. Will I be able to do this with these 3 mixers?
And do you hear post or pre EQ's sound through the cans on these mixers?

[chuckie]

You wouldnt happen to be selling your old DXM06 would you?

[pfalzon]

You wouldnt happen to be selling your old DXM06 would you?

Probably not. Will most likely keep as a spare. Always good to have if something needs to be sent in for repair.

[DJ D one]

Yeah love the effect on the DJM800, also really disapointed it does not do full kills. Since I have Denon cd though it would be cool to try the Denon 1500, though surely DJM looks solid.
For now though I do appreciate my little DNX300, was thinking may be hooking up a Pio efx.
I do like the DJM909 from spec but never touched that beast, and looks like does not have full kills as well.

DJD1

[FH_Jimbob]

Don't forget the Denon dn-x1500. 4ch mixer fully digital etc, your favourite effect the filter is available, as is a separate send/return section, and sampler. I mix the same type of tunes as you, and rate this mixer very well - it's also a damn sight cheaper than your other options.


^^^ i actually cant stand this mixer :P If your going to look into them make sure you look at the Dn-x1500s - the straight 1500 has some serious fader lag and firmware issues which annoy the crap outta me. Also - its a little pet hate of mine - but i really like having switches for my line/phono selection - purely for cutting madness and espescially for use with echo effects. Rotating selector nobs FTL (although yes i am aware of the pro's of havin them.)

[richcur]

Yeh the upfaders - being all digital - have poor response if you're going ballistic with them.. not something I tend to deal with doing my lush 3min long transitions mwahahaha :)
The line/phono switches are a bugger yes, all the way at the back unlike pioneers etc - you love the good ole flick/flick "effect" eh?

Anyway, sounds like Paul ain't concerned with the Denon as an option :(

[pfalzon]

^^^^ Yeah I'm reffering to the sound quality. Turntables produce an analouge signal. The DJM800 will then convert it to a Digital signal. I have heard there are some issues there.

Your right. nothing against Denon but I have narrowed it down to these three.

[richcur]

I can add one more piece of advice relevant to 2 of your 3 chosen mixers - the Pioneer vs Xone... Pio will NOT allow you to use both external EFX and onboard EFX at the same time. (say for example you want to build a filtered echo the likes of Sasha :))
The Xone goes one step further than this, and has TWO filters for simultaneous use - so, if you had three hands you'd be buying the Xone over the Djm lol

[Dj SteveWill]

/SNIP

Something I like about my DXM06 is the ability to practise mix through my headphones. This is good for late night mixing so I dont piss off the neighbours. Will I be able to do this with these 3 mixers?
And do you hear post or pre EQ's sound through the cans on these mixers?

The DJM-800 will do it fine and from memory is post EQ, the Zone92 can mix in the headphones also and I'm not sure on the Nuo5 as I have never played with it.

[pfalzon]

^^Cool. if anyone can confirm with the Nuo it would be greatly appreciated.

[FH_Jimbob]

The line/phono switches are a bugger yes, all the way at the back unlike pioneers etc - you love the good ole flick/flick "effect" eh?



flick/flick only so so - flick/echo/flick i absolutely love ;) drop in a few stabs for echoing highhats = nice!

[Dj SteveWill]

I can add one more piece of advice relevant to 2 of your 3 chosen mixers - the Pioneer vs Xone... Pio will NOT allow you to use both external EFX and onboard EFX at the same time. (say for example you want to build a filtered echo the likes of Sasha :))
The Xone goes one step further than this, and has TWO filters for simultaneous use - so, if you had three hands you'd be buying the Xone over the Djm lol

The Pioneer will allow the use of your outboard/external effects via send/return and the colour effects simultaneously allowing you to layer effects.

You can also layer effects by the main effects and the colour effects without the need for an additional outboard/external effects unit.

Just adding this to clear it up.

[Portal]

^^Cool. if anyone can confirm with the Nuo it would be greatly appreciated.

The Nuo3 does, I assume the 5 does too, go into a store and play with one.

[truba]

have you checked out vestax pmc-cx, a nice piece of gear. you can put the rotary knobs if you get bored of sliders,

http://www.platinum-records.com/Vestax-PMC-CX-prod7174.htm

[richcur]

The Pioneer will allow the use of your outboard/external effects via send/return and the colour effects simultaneously allowing you to layer effects.

You can also layer effects by the main effects and the colour effects without the need for an additional outboard/external effects unit.

Just adding this to clear it up.

Cool cool, must admit I had the 600 in my head when typing that XD

[pfalzon]

have you checked out vestax pmc-cx, a nice piece of gear. you can put the rotary knobs if you get bored of sliders,

http://www.platinum-records.com/Vestax-PMC-CX-prod7174.htm

Yeah that is a sweet mixer. Unfortunatley its out of my price range. Also i dont have the room for a rack mixer :(

[andreas]

Yeah pretty sure the NUO 5 is post eq will try and check at home tonight if I remember.
The large rotary knobs are great and the crossfader is great once you get used to it and would be especially good if you were scratching..
Before I had one of these I didnt really think much about effects but the wet/dry cross fader on this is so good... Would thoroughly recommend one of these without reservation.

5x stereo channels
Balanced XLR outputs
4x Phono / 6x Line / 1x Aux / 1x Micro Inputs
Signal present (SP) and Peak monitoring per channel. Dedicated PFL Vu-meter
3 Band "Cut" EQ with extra large rotary knobs, and "Bass Off" switch per channel
VCA 60m faders with curve selector
ETERNAL Magnetic crossfader (5 year warranty) with cut-in time and shape adjustments
Talkover feature
Internal beat synchronized sound processors with L.F.O. Manual HP Filter, Manual LP Filter, Delay, Reverb, Pitch, Flanger, Phaser, Filtered Echo (Band Pass Delay), Echo Reverb and Flanger Echo
Optimised effect control panel: Fx Send per channel, Master Fx level, Time/Beat, Parameter, Fx Mix slider (Wet-Dry), Fx Cue
USB Port for edi:lab software remote control
Internal switching oversized power supply with universal input 90V-260V
Optional rack kit available
MIDI Clock and MIDI Start/Stop functions

[Nick Vidal]

for those that are saying you can't use more than one effects thing on the pioneers etc, have u ever tried simply plugging in the master out of your mixer into the effects unit, and then sending that to the speakers?

[richcur]

for those that are saying you can't use more than one effects thing on the pioneers etc, have u ever tried simply plugging in the master out of your mixer into the effects unit, and then sending that to the speakers?

Not when I'm taking over the decks from a previous set :)

[Bracko]

you don't want to put any (especially an EFX500) in the permanent audio chain. they are most likely the weakest point.

[pfalzon]

So how do the Upfaders and EQ's on the Nuo5 compare to the Xone 92?

Sorry guys. I promise I will try both on the weekend (hopefully if thats possible)

[Bracko]

great. the 92 faders are longer than the nuo's which i like. but the nuo is a less busy mixer in that area i think.... i prefer the nuo in the fader department even though the faders are quite short.

my review of the nuo sums up my feelings on the mixer. over time I've come to learn the quibbles of both mixers, and I honestly think the only reason why i would buy a Xone is I'd be more likely to see it in a club. ditto for the pioneer 800. although i wouldn't own a 600 if I were paid :-*

[Jude May]

cant help but laugh at "upfaders" :lol:

seriously guys, they are called faders (yep, those ones that go up... and down!)

[pfalzon]

ok ok Faders ;)

or what about.... Those slidie things that go up and down??

[truba]

dunno about nuo5 but the xone ones are smooth as no resistance, you could prolly blow in it and the fader will move. i think nuo5 is similar cause they are magnetic or some shit like that.

[pieman70]

I'm in a pretty similar boat at the moment .... i more or less decided on the DJM800 before bracko mentioned the new vestax mixer .... really looks nice ... wondering about the price a bit still. I also came by the the new Korg mixers while looking for info on the vestax mixer... The Korg Zero4 specifically also looks really nice but i dunno when its coming out... if it just got shown at a show could mean another year or two before its available in stores here yeh? Kinda new to the DJ scene so I wouldn't know what sorta time frames they use in the mixer market from showcasing to release. You could also look at the Mackie d.4 ... looks alright as well but again not released... dunno if its worth waiting for these mixers. Guess i goto wait till i can look at some specs/release dates and compare. The bonus to waiting is it forces u to actually save for it rather then throwin 2 grand on ur credit card :)

[Lukey]

get an 62/92

having 4band eq is genius, if you can nail 4 bands at home you can work any 3 band mixer no probs
it gives you so much more room to move in the mix

[pan_down]

I just went from a pio 600 to an xone62 recently and am absolutely stoked with the 62. Sound is incredible, filters and eq's are rather sharp and just a very well put together box all round.

[pfalzon]

Ok played with a DJM800 and a 92 today.
The 92 looked a bit scary at first but after 5 minutes on it it all started to make sense.
Faders were sweet and the sound was nice. EQ's felt a little cramped but nothing to cry about, they felt smooth and consistant so that makes up for it :)

Did not spend too much time on the 800. It has heaps of features and feels much better than the 600 but it did not have the same feel of the 92. I think the 800 would seem great at first but you would get sick of the fancy features after a few months. I think overall its a great package but I dont think it has mastered the basics like the A&H has. I think the 92 would be more of a learning experience to use in the long term.

I'll hopefully get to use a Nuo5 tomorrow. It will have to be pretty good to consider over the 92.

Cheers :)

PF

[pieman70]

get an 62/92

having 4band eq is genius, if you can nail 4 bands at home you can work any 3 band mixer no probs
it gives you so much more room to move in the mix
newb question i guess but how does using a 4 band EQ make it easier to use a 3band one? Wouldnt it be frustrating having less control on a 3band after getting used to 4?

[DJ D one]

In term of price tough the cheapest DJM800 I have seen is $1500, while the Xone 92 is still a bit more expensive.

DJD1

[pfalzon]

^^^ price is not really an issue for me. I see this as a long term investment :)

BTW $1500 for a DJM800 is very cheap. Is that new or used?

[DJ D one]

New there:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BRAND-NEW-PIONEER-DJM800-DJ-CLUB-MIXER_W0QQitemZ140108868291QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2992 2QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

But I would pick it up though, in case...

Anyway I would go for the xone 92 as well if price is not an issue...and just add an efx1000.

DJD1

[truba]

i know you said no rackmount but this thing looks damn fine plus you can change the knobs for faders.

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR220703

[pfalzon]

i know you said no rackmount but this thing looks damn fine plus you can change the knobs for faders.

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR220703

Looks like a RM version of the 92

[pfalzon]

New there:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BRAND-NEW-PIONEER-DJM800-DJ-CLUB-MIXER_W0QQitemZ140108868291QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2992 2QQtcZphotoQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

But I would pick it up though, in case...

Anyway I would go for the xone 92 as well if price is not an issue...and just add an efx1000.

DJD1

Or a KP3 I'll worry about that when If I want to get EFX happy. KP3 looks pretty good.

[truba]

Looks like a RM version of the 92
not really, it doesnt have 2 mid knob and you only have one filter and can only assign 1 channel, with 92 you can assign any channel with any filter, and with xone you can combine filters you can press lpf or hpf and even all 3 together and with the lfo and faders you can make that cutoff echo sound that pioneer does when you use phono switch with echo/delay.

[winstonuk]

For me: and im sure a few of these issues have been raised already.

DJM Pioneers Series (simple full control easy to use, i love them when i dj pissed in a club as there so simple to get around, and you can mix fully in the headphones, knowing exactly whats coming out the other end. (if that makes sense) love the effects and even BPM occasionally.

The Allen & Heath (FFUUCCKK) the amount of times ive walked into a club and seen these and just gone of fuck! not again, i almost put my fist through the one at YU.

You can only (i found) fully mix through the headphones on split, which is awful, you take the bass half out and almost the whole track disapears there's no Master to listen through (as i said) to many little knobs and buttons to press, and get confused with. The last time i Dj'd with one of these i spent the first 25 mins of my set, just pressing all the buttons.

However it has a great sound but i wont be buying one until A & H sort out and make the whole unit more Drunk DJ friendly.

saying that i should buy one just to get my head around how it works....

[Bracko]

i know you said no rackmount but this thing looks damn fine plus you can change the knobs for faders.

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR220703

this mixer is sex.

if i was installing a mixer in a venue I'd prolly install this :drool:

[truba]

You can only (i found) fully mix through the headphones on split, which is awful, you take the bass half out and almost the whole track disapears there's no Master to listen through (as i said) to many little knobs and buttons to press, and get confused with. The last time i Dj'd with one of these i spent the first 25 mins of my set, just pressing all the buttons.

However it has a great sound but i wont be buying one until A & H sort out and make the whole unit more Drunk DJ friendly.

saying that i should buy one just to get my head around how it works....
the cue on xone actually has two knobs, monitor is your normal cue and then there is one knob right above it which allows you to bring the track into the mix thru the headphones, if you know how to use it its pretty cool, plus you can also press any headphone button together and you get the same shit you get with pioneer. but the extra cue knob is awesome for mixing thru the phones.the only thing with xone is that its a pain in the arse when you run the efx 500 thru it, you actually have to run it thru a mic. channel, where with pioneer you press the button. but fuck the efx, the filters on xone have a squillion of possibilities

[Bracko]

turn the fucking monitor down so you can hear the cans. besides, mixing off the trebles is far easier.

[Dj Hempenhymer]

sorry to hijack but im in the same boat atm, love playing progressive and have a dxm06, its time to upgrade.

How come no one has mentiond RANE mixers?

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR220703 <-- whats so good about this mixer?? looks bland to me with some nice lights?

Keep the info going guys critisizem is good when spending $2000 on a mixer :)

[fratts]

^^^^ Yeah I'm reffering to the sound quality. Turntables produce an analouge signal. The DJM800 will then convert it to a Digital signal. I have heard there are some issues there.

Your right. nothing against Denon but I have narrowed it down to these three.


This was a one off issue that occured some time back that made me think twice, but after choosing this over the Xone 92, I can honestly say that my Vinyl has never sounded better - I am using Shure Whitelabels and have started to convert all my tunes to Digital and the quality is spot on.

There are so many great effects that you won't get sick off added to the DJM800 although I personally prefer the cueing and filters on the Xone 92 (DJM 800 as a pretty good filter on each channel by the way!)

Thing that swung me over to the DJM 800 was the MIDI capability with Ableton, and it blows the Xone 92 out of the water - Fader response mimmicking channels in Live is unbelievable!!

In terms of overall sound quality, there is nothing in it any more - and, for the style you play, do you really need full EQ Cut?

Hope that helps....

[Bracko]

sorry to hijack but im in the same boat atm, love playing progressive and have a dxm06, its time to upgrade.

How come no one has mentiond RANE mixers?

http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR220703 <-- whats so good about this mixer?? looks bland to me with some nice lights?

Keep the info going guys critisizem is good when spending $2000 on a mixer :)

sound quality, build quality, analogue filter.... i like that shape of mixer too.... we had a pio 3k in the first place i ever had regular gigs and i actally really like them.

it's more a installation mixer than a home mixer though.

[pfalzon]

Picked up a 92 today. Love it already. Can't wait to be able to use it to its full ability.
OMFG the sound this thing produces!! The sound just fills the room so much better now!!
I can hear parts of tracks that I could not hear before. Very pleased.

[DJ D one]

Just out of curiosity if you don't me asking, how much did you get it for, and di you get it?

DJD1

[pfalzon]

$2400

"di you get it"??

[DJ D one]

Thanks...hope you hav fun now...

[andreas]

hey just out of curiosity what did you think of the ecler and why not it?

[pfalzon]

Ecler is nice. It was definatley a tough decision between the two. Few months back I was convinced on buying the Nuo 5. Didn't even consider the Xone.
After waiting for my Q1 bonus to come through and doing some more homework I went the x92 because:

1. 4 EQ's - (would like to try and master this)
2. Faders were longer and smoother
3. More likely to see out in a club environment.
4. Individual meters on each channel
5. Sounds Fu(k1ng awesome!!! (Ecler sounds just as good though)
6. Better worldwide postsales/warranty support than Ecler (apparently)
7. Filters and damn fine and very adjustable.
8. Smaller dimensions than the Ecler (I have very limited space on my desk)

There were things on the Ecler I liked such as the Huge Eq's and EFX but honestly I can live without them. I don't use EFX that much and If I ever decide to, I can always get an external processor like KP3. At the end of the day both mixers are awesome and would be a good buy. But I think I got a good deal on the Xone and decided thats what would be best for me.

I appreciate all your feedback guys. Always good to have some reliable friends to assist.

PF

[DSILVR]

^^ so when can i come over and use it?

Fuck brako, how do u mix off trebels? explain that please.

[pfalzon]

HAHAH Long trip from VIC to NSW to play with a Xone :)

I think he is reffering to using High Hats etc. as a guide rather than Kickdrums.

Sorry Bracko correct me if I'm wrong....

[Bracko]

Fuck brako, how do u mix off trebels? explain that please.

mix off the hats (snare crashes) not off the bass beat. you'll find you lower the volume of your cans a lot.

[Dj Hempenhymer]

I cracked up the other day i was in a record store there was a xone92 on the counter with $4000 price tag and just below it said Australia RRP Wholesale price. pff yeah right....

[pfalzon]

Yes that is BS I payed $2400 for mine. And that was including interest free 12 month finance

[Dj Hempenhymer]

Finance nice one!

Im curious why you selected such a high end mixer for, i mean will it leave your bedroom ever? do you need that quality? ive seen some big events and big name djs using the same mixer so they must be pritty "up there" Im curious because im upgrading the DXM06 to something better and thinking if it doesnt leave the bedroom is something in the 2500-3500 reigon an overkill

[WhiteMeat]

Im curious because im upgrading the DXM06 to something better and thinking if it doesnt leave the bedroom is something in the 2500-3500 reigon an overkill

You have to look at what you want to do with your mixing in terms of how you mix and such and also look at what you *might* want to do in the future also along whether you are hoping to make money from it one day, and so on & so forth.

I picked up an Ecler Smac 20 about 2 months ago that I am already thinking of selling & buying a diff mixer, probably 4 ch, this is due to the fact that the smac 20 doesnt have an fx send / return on it - I have to run my kaoss pad (bought after mixer was bought & i was drunk at the time) on the main outputs of the mixer, which i'm not happy with and I want the ability to expand into other channels via cdj or extra turntable or whatever.

If you want overkill - have a look at some "home recording studios" that are out there - i'm not being critical (more like envious :P )

I've heard this time & time again over the course of my life & various hobbies but it still holds true to most things "Buy once, cry once"

[Dj Hempenhymer]

ahaha yeah now you remind me, looking in that "post photo of your setup" thread some peoples home set ups.... crazy. So in otherwords if you feel you have a future in Djing/production may as well get something decent that will last

[WhiteMeat]

Not only if you feel if you have a future in it, but if you are going to get into it, why not go all the way - if you get past the initial stage of having an ordinary mixer & turntables or cdj's & you are into it more or still at the same level of interest / whatever - why not limit the amount of upgrades by getting the best you can so you can spend more money on music over time than on replacing equipment?

Plus there is also the factor of wanting the best "toy", which, I will admit, I am guilty of also, looking at someone else get a 92 makes me want to bust out the credit card right now and cripple myself financially, but yea :P its not a bad thing hehe very self destructive when combined with wanting recording equipment though :P

[Bracko]

if you buy shit it'll end up costing you more if you're serious.

[Dj Hempenhymer]

im probably guilty of the wanting the best "toy" also, the xone 92 and the vestax CX have both sparked intrest in my wallet thus far....

[WhiteMeat]

haha the wallet factor is always something to consider (especially if you like getting wasted :P )

but if you are willing & able - these guys seem to be running a special on the 92's atm (was just looking & thinking about it...)

http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/

but yea, there is nothing wrong with holding out with entry level stuff until you can upgrade the whole shebang in one go or over a few pays so that it isn't too drawn out :) hell i did until 2 months ago, then i gave up smoking. I hate having a credit card...

[pfalzon]

ahaha yeah now you remind me, looking in that "post photo of your setup" thread some peoples home set ups.... crazy. So in otherwords if you feel you have a future in Djing/production may as well get something decent that will last

Yeah you could say that. I would not recommend spending $2400 on your first mixer.
Buy something basic and functional at first. When you feel you have outgrown it and have decided you want to keep mixing then go buy yourself a quality mixer.

[Dj Hempenhymer]

Just thought id revive this thread not only because its great, but talks about higher end mixers.

Which comes to my question. How come there seems to be a big "hole" in the higher end market in mixers when it comes to comparisons and price, off the top of my head and im sure these are the more common "high end" mixers

Rane Empath Rotary
Xone 92
Ecler Nuo 5
Vestax PMC / PMC CX

All mixers are great, but the price difference are so varied. although im sure there characteristics are close and they all have things in common and sound great i just cant seem to understand how the price diffrence is almost up to $1000 between them.
Unless there is some other brands of mixers that compete in this that im missing out?

Chris

[electroanarchy]

Just thought id revive this thread not only because its great, but talks about higher end mixers.

Which comes to my question. How come there seems to be a big "hole" in the higher end market in mixers when it comes to comparisons and price, off the top of my head and im sure these are the more common "high end" mixers

Rane Empath Rotary
Xone 92
Ecler Nuo 5
Vestax PMC / PMC CX

All mixers are great, but the price difference are so varied. although im sure there characteristics are close and they all have things in common and sound great i just cant seem to understand how the price diffrence is almost up to $1000 between them.
Unless there is some other brands of mixers that compete in this that im missing out?

Chris

My Empath Rotary arrives on the 23rd :drool:

Can't wait :rock:

[cheekyage]

the cue on xone actually has two knobs, monitor is your normal cue and then there is one knob right above it which allows you to bring the track into the mix thru the headphones, if you know how to use it its pretty cool, plus you can also press any headphone button together and you get the same shit you get with pioneer. but the extra cue knob is awesome for mixing thru the phones.the only thing with xone is that its a pain in the arse when you run the efx 500 thru it, you actually have to run it thru a mic. channel, where with pioneer you press the button. but fuck the efx, the filters on xone have a squillion of possibilities

does the djm 800 give u the ability to cue and adjust the volume to then mix in your track thru the headphones?
:?

[ac1d3o3]

Add the korg zero4 to that list when it comes out next month.
I wanna get one as it can double as a sound card / midi controller.
I love my xone62 to bits but want something new :P

[andreas]

:sexface:

check this out

http://www.evobyecler.com/fotos/EVO-5front-luz.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b98g3WIpiwE

youtube of the forthcoming Ecler EVO5. Not the greatest demo but gives you an idea of what it will be like.

http://www.evobyecler.com/index.html


All right I want one already. Just the pretty lights alone.

[Dj SteveWill]

does the djm 800 give u the ability to cue and adjust the volume to then mix in your track thru the headphones?
:?

Yes the DJM-800 does and so does the DJM-600.

[ekwipt]

http://www.polymix-dj.com/catalog/images/DKO-ZERO8-B.jpg

[Bracko]

can we not fucking play 'post the biggest photo of a mixer' contest please

[Teknikall]

^^ lmao

fuckin hot looking mixer though

[ekwipt]

can we not fucking play 'post the biggest photo of a mixer' contest please

HA! mines bigger than yours

[plan-b]

Picked up a 92 today. Love it already. Can't wait to be able to use it to its full ability.
OMFG the sound this thing produces!! The sound just fills the room so much better now!!
I can hear parts of tracks that I could not hear before. Very pleased.
good choice 8) if you're not effects mad Xone would've been my pick as well... my next mixer will prolly be an 800 purely for price and the effects on 'em... Xone shits on it ten fold though...

Played with a Nuo5 last weekend... really nice mixer but couldn't figure out how to use the effects.... really love the oversized eq knobs though...

[andreas]

really plan b? i find the wet dry crossfade idea awesome. effects on the NUO5 are great.

Sorry all for the massive photo. Didnt realise it was going to be that big.

[Nick Vidal]

Just thought id revive this thread not only because its great, but talks about higher end mixers.

Which comes to my question. How come there seems to be a big "hole" in the higher end market in mixers when it comes to comparisons and price, off the top of my head and im sure these are the more common "high end" mixers

Rane Empath Rotary
Xone 92
Ecler Nuo 5
Vestax PMC / PMC CX

All mixers are great, but the price difference are so varied. although im sure there characteristics are close and they all have things in common and sound great i just cant seem to understand how the price diffrence is almost up to $1000 between them.
Unless there is some other brands of mixers that compete in this that im missing out?

Chris

one feature the vestax pmc cx has over hte xone 92 is that there are 3 filters (hi, low and notch/sweep) on each of the 3 channels, compared to two filters on each side of the crossfader (if that makes sense) on the xone 92

the matrix input assign where you can assign any input to any channel

there is a 3 band eq on the booth monitor, plus a 2 band eq on the headphones

all of the channel eqs have full cuts, and there is also a master isolator with full cuts.

There is also a master lo and mid antiphase switch

i also find the level meter on teh channels easier to read than the ones on the xones

and who can forget those big fat knobs :-D

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM04/Content/Vestax/PR/PMCCX-lg.jpg

[ekwipt]

Ecler Evo 5 will be: 1,649.00 EUR=2,599.13 AUD
But with Aussie import duties i'd say it will be closer to $3000, which is on par with the Korg zero 8

[Bekay]

give me a pioneer 800 any day over any other dj mixer for ease & speed of use

[ekwipt]

What's so hard about moving some knobs and a cross fader?

[andreas]

Ekwipt you are well and truly in the know. Whom do you work for?

Any update on the potential release date?

[ekwipt]

Channel 7

but I found the info on the ecler forums

[Dj Hempenhymer]

Whats peoples opinions on the on board efx on the higher end mixers also, obviously you can add a KP3 to your Xone 92, Nu0 5, rane or what ever but is that just overkill, from what ive heard most mixers come with great inbuilt efx anyway...

or are there some that benefit from the addition of a KP3 more then others? if so what ones?

[richcur]

I would say any mixer that has onboard efx is no real advantage over plugging in the external efx modules other than saving room and clutter, UNLESS that mixer allows you to use both efx at the same time - now you're talkin :)

I use a KP3 + Xone92 and I can tell you the flitered-echo sweeps you can pull off with this combo are just bliss. The Xones only have filter and Lfo onboard efx as opposed to Denon & Pioneer which have the standard flanger, delay, trans blah blah blah.

The DJM800 is the only Pioneer which allows use of onboard and external efx at the same time, due to their inclusion of the "colour" efx - which are awesome. The Denon x1500 allows use of both as well, but for the other industry-standard mixers forget it, it's either onboard OR external

As far as the KP3 is concerned compared to other efx? It shits all over them. How's 128 onboard effects sound? Mind you, they're not all suited to DJing but it's such a massive number you can't help but brag lol

[McE86]

i played with a 800 for the first time yesterday and must say it is lightyears ahead of my djm3000. As soon as possible i will be upgrading my mixer to one of the options listed here. But so far the 800 is winning due to the fun it creates mixing, and the fact the step up was an easy transition. The only issue i have is that i havn't used any of the other units just yet, working on that, and i have an efx1000. i was wondering is there anyneed to go the 800 for its nifty effects or would the xone's sound quality coupled with the efx1000 win out in the end?

[andreas]

Xone sound qual coupled with the fx without doubt. Either that or you could look at ecler nu04 for the ability to set it up as a midi controller?

[richcur]

..Xone92 has midi control as well :)

[saad]

Im thinking of a Xone 32. Theres a 62 for sale too, but not sure if I need that many channels. Do they both have the same sound quality?

[johnjay]

why is it that vestax mixers don't have cue mix?

am i the only one that puts the headphones to master when im doing my mix? maybe its just because the place i play doesnt have booth monitors but still you'd expect this and i like vestax mixers but will not buy one as they dont have cue mix.

Im currently playing at a place with a denon dnx 1500 it is good, the matrix system is prety cool, but the djm 800 rocks, i don't now why but my mixes were sounding better for some reason coming out of the 800

[DJ Fusion]

I'm also upgrading from my trusty old DXM06, I don't really want to spend more than a grand though.

Currently looking at these....

Behringer DDM4000 - awesome specs, no retail units released yet so no assurance of good build quality though:

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/product.php?id=1490

Audio Innovate AEM100i - great specs, slightly more exotic than your average bedroom mixer but no MIDI.

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/product.php?id=1319

Korg KM-402 Kaoss Pad Mixer - great onboard FX but not much else going for it?

http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/cat/index.cgi/shopfront/view_product_details?category_id=7896&product_id=303799

DJM-400 - is this a DJM-800 for poor people with only two sources, or is there too much missing to compare it to its club-ready brothers?

http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/cat/index.cgi/shopfront/view_product_details?category_id=7896&product_id=206731

I'm nearly 100% certain I want MIDI in my next mixer, even a simple BPM-clock out to my laptop would go a long way in tying Ableton into my mixing setup.

[DJ Fusion]

Just spent the night watching DJM-800 demo videos - soooo hard to resist dropping 2k and getting the DJM-800, but its a lot of cash for a bedroom mixer, but then, if it lasts my whole life..... hmmm.....

[Bracko]

well, that's why i mentioned the empath. for 2k you can get possibly get an empath and a KP3 (certainly a KP2+emapth)

there's a cool video of traktor and a KP2 going nuts, I'll see if i can dig it up from utube, but I've got no internets at home at the moment :(

[DJ Fusion]

Hmmm, you speak wise words Bracko-San. So would you rate an Empath + KP3 combo over a DJM-800 in terms of quality and functionality?

[Bracko]

it depends waht you're looking for in a mixer? if you want a midi controller for ableton then the 800 is the way to go. if you want a great effects unit and a top of the line mixer the nuo/empath is the way to go....

2different solutions for 2 different applications.

[richcur]

and the Xone92 also is an option for midi control of ableton hahah choices choices

[Bracko]

bah, the 92 is way behind in terms of midi control.

[ekwipt]

I'd agree with bracko the Pioneer is the best bang for buck mixer if you want midi control.

If you can wait for the new korgs I'd wait, then you get a soundcard as well in the deal

[Dj Hempenhymer]

just got a XONE 92, god damn the sound quality is second to none, and whoever said its a nightmare to learn on is full off ShizZ, i plugged mine in and was spinning back and fourth within 10 mins, the layout is piss easy you must haven't ever seen a mixer before if you cant work it out. mixes have improved dramatically over the past 2 days just because you can actually hear whats going on better, i love it.

The extra mid is fun also gives a few more options, ive found with vocals you can isolate them out using both mids or make them more defined quite well, it would depend on what key the song is in also im guessing

The metal switches are nice and rugged feeling and the faders are smooth. Most of the components move like they have purpose, no real plastic feeling about them.

another point for XONE 92!

[ac1d3o3]

anyone have any insider news on the korgs?
depending on the review, i want to sell my xone 62, efx 1000 and sound card when it comes and use the korg zero4 as a replacement.

maybe even sell my cdj 1000 and go fully digital.

[ac1d3o3]

anyone here have a xone mixer and an efx 1000?
how do u have it set up?

[richcur]

I used to have an efx500 so it connects the same way...

The EFX connects: "send" to the xone's "return 1", and the EFX "return" going to the xone's "mix 1 or 2"

This means you've gotta control the amount of signal sent to the EFX via the mixer's "Mix1 or 2" knob (depending on which one you connect it to), and the Mic1 channel fader on the far left of the mixer controls how much comes back in. But you've gotta have the "duck/on/off" switch set to "on" :)

Note: DONT connect a KaossPad in this manner, there's a whole other method (http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=390938478&postcount=27) for that :lol: :lol:

[Brendonism]

Question, is it pronounced:

a) Zone
b) X one

[richcur]

Zone

[jaymes138]

I have also decided to upgrade my mixer in the next two weeks or so. Considering either a dn-x1500 + efx1000 or a korg pad or going for the djm800 (bit of an fx junkie). I love the feel of the djm800 and its usability, combining its beat and colour effects plus it has midi control. I have yet to play around on a dnx, but the layout looks a little confusing to me. Combining the onboard efx with an external unit is really appealing. In the end I don’t know if I would use the midi control on the djm800, would I be better to get a midi keyboard with some pots on it?

[ac1d3o3]

I used to have an efx500 so it connects the same way...

The EFX connects: "send" to the xone's "return 1", and the EFX "return" going to the xone's "mix 1 or 2"

This means you've gotta control the amount of signal sent to the EFX via the mixer's "Mix1 or 2" knob (depending on which one you connect it to), and the Mic1 channel fader on the far left of the mixer controls how much comes back in. But you've gotta have the "duck/on/off" switch set to "on" :)

Note: DONT connect a KaossPad in this manner, there's a whole other method (http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=390938478&postcount=27) for that :lol: :lol:


ive got it set up like this, but if you have your channel fader up and your efx fader up, the channels phase and the bass cancels out. im i doing something incorrectly?

[richcur]

That usually happens when you've got the EFX "return" going to the mixer's "Aux1" instead of "Mix1" (or Mix2).

It's also peculiar only to the pioneer EFX units as the Kaosspad has a switch to be in either "send" or "direct" mode... it's almost like the Pioneer only has "direct" mode, which therefore causes the phasing problem on the Xone but not on Pioneer mixers

[lavelle72]

My Empath Rotary arrives on the 23rd :drool:


How does the Empath Rotary compare??

[trouble hifire]

How does the Empath Rotary compare??

i wouldn't buy the rotary due to the style i play but i am very interested in the empath for my new mixer as i used one at rudebwoyz recently and thought it was amazing.

does anyone have any imput on the empaths? anyone own one and still as happy with it now as the day they bought it?

[djryley]

Anyone know a decent shop overseas where they stock all this stuff, or even a local that will import gear? I've tried decks.co.uk but they won't ship here, any suggestions?

[BigJC]

I have the KORG KM-402

one hell of a mixer for the price tag. $750 i paid for mine. doesnt have all the features the DJM-800 has but has some that the 800 lacks which are cool.. if they could combine the 2 mixers then they would have mixer gold.. be awesome.

[putraged]

guys, i'm a new kids in here, so i will appreciate any answer you'll give.

i'm wondering what mixer should i buy, since im heavily into making / producing some nice effects. i was playing keyboard in my band which is influenced by trentemoller & royksopp etc. i'm newbie btw, so my max budget for mixer is $600 (used is ok). my current choice will be pio DJM-400. what external effects should i buy. also, what digital mixer should i use? traktor pro or torq xponent?

thanks guys for any comments you put.

[Bumpy]

you should buy a behringer mixer as there the best quality and then get the behringer effect unit which is the best out there also!

[Papanikolas]

yeah trentemoller uses a behringer fxe-150. its the shit!

[putraged]

ic..

behringer ddm400?
does it has better feature than djm-400? and vice versa?

i cant find any refference abt behringer fxe-150. where is it?

thanks dude.

[aaronbishop]

allen and heath pwn all

[putraged]

cmon.

$600 is the budget. xone 62 cost more than that.

sophisticated mixer for bedtime friends is not cool. lol.

thanks anyway.

[Bracko]

you should buy a behringer mixer as there the best quality and then get the behringer effect unit which is the best out there also!

:slap:

[Bracko]

yeah trentemoller uses a behringer fxe-150. its the shit!
he used a Korg Kaoss pad 2 last time he was in sydney.

[Papanikolas]

i cant find any refference abt behringer fxe-150. where is it?

It's because it doesn't exist. People will generally tell u to stay away from behringer, because they sound shit and have poor built quality.

Why do u want external effects? If you get traktor pro, that has heaps of effects built it. Then all you need is a midi controller.

[putraged]

it's because it doesn't exist. people will generally tell u to stay away from behringer, because they sound shit and have poor built quality.

so what r u suggesting?

lol.. so should i stick looking for djm-400? :rainman: :rainman:

[Papanikolas]

There's a thread on here about the Behringer DDM-4000. Apparently its not that bad. I think it has midi too, so you could map it to traktor.

[putraged]

cool.

anyone, suggestion?

anyone sell cdj-400 too?

thanks

[ferretrock]

^It's not like behringer and Pioneer are the only two brands on the market, and secondhand should be an option to look at as well. I've said it before and i'll say it again - Second hand Vestax - quality gear at stupid low prices most of the time.

[truba]

^^^+1 man u can pick up a pmc 55 for peanuts these days, and that thing is the shit, the sound is awesome and u can plug 25475476532467532764567 things into it. i think it even has a filter

[aaronbishop]

honestly a djm 400 is fine for the bedroom, imo a 2 channel mixer at home is all you need! as much as id like to upgrade buying an allen and heath or an 800, it would be a serious waste of coin

[Alex36]

^ :stroke: fair true there.

[jonnybiggs69]

Yeah truba,
I've got a PMC-50, and for sure I never used it to its full potential. The most it ever had plugged in was a laptop, CD player and 2 decks. All the ins and outs for fx and whatever else - phew! But I was always happy with how solid it is and how the sliders etc feel, just noice :)
What was the peanuts you were referring to? Mine's been in its box for a year or two now...

[Bracko]

^^^+1 man u can pick up a pmc 55 for peanuts these days, and that thing is the shit, the sound is awesome and u can plug 25475476532467532764567 things into it. i think it even has a filter

i spent ages looking for one!

[truba]

i seen one for 850 on ebay maybe a week and a bit ago
anyway http://www.interstatemusic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10051&langId=-1&productId=900197074
http://www.audiolines.com/product.php?productid=17098

[Bracko]

preferred one in australia....

for such an old mixer, there could be complications due to the fact it has sat in a box for5-~10 years.

as was the case with my 37 Pro, although covered by warranty.

[truba]

good luck finding one down here, hey man you should contact bbc, he might me able to get you one from japan for a good price. i was chatting to him the other day and they had vestax r2 second hand going for 1100 bucks in a good condition

[Bracko]

yeah, that's why i got my 37pro... local or stfu.

I'm happy.

[ferretrock]

they had vestax r2 second hand going for 1100 bucks in a good condition
Woah! I didn't even think they'd been available for a year yet?

I'm pretty sure that the PMC-55 doesn't have a filter. They're pretty much the same as the PMC-50, and as said, I love mine (PMC-50). Only gripe is how close the EQ knobs are to one another... makes them a little 'slower'

[Bracko]

r2 have been out for a while... 4-5 years?

[ferretrock]

oh ok. the way they advertise them on the vestax site id've thought they were brand new. :-O

[truba]

yeah i'm pretty sure i 've read on few different places that 55 has a filter not sure bout 50 tho,dunno could be wrong, and i heard 55 many times, shits on xone lef right, center, i love that growl in the kick, xone dont have that, xone sounds punchy in the kick, and vestax has deeper bass. is there much difference between 50 and 55. and i know what u mean cramped, i have a pmc 46 and it is a little tight but that has never stopped me from abusing it, vestax higher end mixers to me are better than A&H mixers, they feel so much more solid, man when i tweak xone and get into it i end up picking fader and pot plastic caps from around my room, as soon as you hit them a bit hard the thing flies off, vestax is solid as and rotary knobs are actually bolted onto the actoal pot not just put there to fall off with any harder nudge.

[ferretrock]

Nup... just got the PMC-55 manual for a read. :geek: Definetely no filter.

Differences as far as I can see are that the EQs only go up to +6dB, not +16dB, as on the PMC-50, and that the Balanced output for the master can be set between -20, -10 and 0dBU outputs.

Anyway... didn't mean for this to become a thread about Vestax mixers. :lol:
Just how many mixers do you have, truba?

[truba]

3, one pmc 46, xone 92 and a bozak. anyway man its ok discussing vestax here, people discussed xone,korg,ecler now we can do vestax for a change, now tell me what are those transform buttons on each side of crossfader for and also wtf are those 2 little switches under the eq's on each channel not the fader select thingy but those 2 tiny little switches next to them on your pmc 50.

[ferretrock]

There is a big sideways switch that turns on the Effects loop for that channel (rather than having an individual knob on each channel, there is the switch and it gets sent to the global effects loop at unity gain - at which point you have both input and output trim pots).

The two smaller switches are to switch on the 'mains' for the fader. You can tell the fader to go to Master1 or Master2, or both.
I imagine this is most useful if you are running a club with two sound systems... you can have two premixed CDs are whatnot running and send them to the two different zones. You also have separate Master Volumes for each of the zones.

The transform switches took me a while to work out, because I don't really use the crossfader (if someone wants to teach me how to scratch/use a crossfader, then I might :lol:). What they do is add the other crossfader side's signal to the signal that's already in.

eg. I have channel 1 selected to Crossfader side A, and channel 4 to Crossfader side B. Both are up, but the Crossfader is set to B at the moment.
I can tap the transform button to bring in Crossfader side A momentarily, over the top. Pretty cool for bringing in little rythmic ideas/snippets or creating a glitchy sort of percussion effect.

[truba]

thats sick, i use to use the reverse fader switches in combo with the fader for some crazy cuts on my pmc 46, vestax has some nifty features that sometimes takes time to figure out but once you do oh man, my 46 has a pot curve adjust for each channel, its cool as, and also only has bass and treble, no mid, the pots are buttery smooth. and my 46 has the same thing, you can run 2 rooms and a booth on top, the only thing i still cant figure out on it is how to run efx 500 with it.

[jonnybiggs69]

The FX should go either out the front side for just one channel or off that loop in out for master, neither the PMC50 or 55 have filters as far as I know, the EQs are sweet though i always found, plenty enough room for my chin-strokey prog style mixing. I have both the rotarys and sliders for mine & I found both solid and smooth as :-D
probably get a warning now :-P - but if anyone wants my PMC-50 PM or email me...

[truba]

its the pmc 46 i'm talking about here, i hook up everything right but for some reason it can only effect the source when i press the cue for each channel, it wont effect a channel fully, its like i can hear echo or i can hear the isolator being used its just wont kill at all and the effect wont be heard properly.

[avatar_karma]

just putting it out there, anyone had any expierence buying a mixer from chemical records in the uk? was looking at the price of a xone:92, and getting it from there would cost £819.11 which is $1,866 at todays exchange rate as opposed to buying it from djwarehouse for $2090.

the xone can take any voltage right? and chem records isn't dodgy so its a go you would think?

[jonnybiggs69]

Yeah the only thing i would say is that you have to be prepared to send it back to England if something goes wrong with it - the local distributor won't want to know - but if the saving is big enough its normally worth a look IMHO