depreciation of non-technics turntables

[superunknown]

Hey all,

I thought I might post up a thread relating to the depreciation of turntables. I am currently looking at getting Technics decks but the only thing stopping me (and possibly others) from buying non-technics decks is the loss on re-sale (you kind of get scared into it :P). So I thought it might be interesting to hear from people that have had different brands and models of decks and then sold them. So if you bought new, did you lose 50% at sale, or used at re-sale... whatever explains it best so take into account wear, age etc.
I am also looking at Numark TT500's but yeah.. re-sale?

[Bracko]

well, if you're seriously considering the resale value, just mix tunes off your laptop for 6months until you get over it.

and while we're talking about resale value, you might want to also think about the resale value of all that wax you're going to be buying.

[Dj SteveWill]

I have brought and sold both Technics and Stanton ST-150's and resale / or loss was about the same on both.

[superunknown]

well, if you're seriously considering the resale value, just mix tunes off your laptop for 6months until you get over it.

and while we're talking about resale value, you might want to also think about the resale value of all that wax you're going to be buying.

Hey Bracko, I guess I came across as a bit to fixated on selling value :lol:. Im just interested to know people's experiences. Your probably right about the laptop thing, but who knows i might not get over it :P

About the Vinyl I was actually planing to get Serato straight away, so only the occasional Vinyl purchase.

[Fledz]

In this day in age, if you're not sure that you're going to keep it all forever then vinyl IS NOT the way to go.

Get cheap CDJs. Then later if you decide to stick with it you can get decks.

[superunknown]

Fair point, but if you get Serato you can have decks to start with :thumb:, and if you get decent decks it will work out about the same as having decent CDJ's from what ive seen.

[littlebrains69]

Like Bracko said, don't worry about the resale...... buy the best decks you can afford. And I don't know if Technics are the best.... I don't do vinyl personally, I'm CD. But I have played with a friends setup who is a vinyl slut. TT-500's are awesome TT's, they have heaps of torque and a few features the techs dont. Going from TT-500's to technics would almost be like stepping down IMO. I went into lightsounds the other day because I was entertaining buying a TT to get into vinyl and playing with the TT-500's and tech 1200's. If you stop the platter and release it, you see how much quicker the TT-500's start up.
American Audio 4.5 or something like that are also pretty cool, they have start-up and breaking adjust, so if you like the slower feel of technics you can adjust it to to take up and stop slower..... but again. Buy the best turntable you can afford, dont worry about the resale because if you love you wont worry about selling them.

[trashy]

i just dont think you should look at $$ when you are considering purchases like this...its more the emotive value in terms of music and enjoyment you will receive...

in the end a few hundred dollar loss over a couple of years is nothing...

[superunknown]

Trashy: haha yeah i know its all about the music + enjoyment, sometimes I can be way too practical rather than emotional when it comes to spending $$ :lol:

littlebrains69: thanks for the info about the TT500's, im more likely to afford them + a mixer than the 1200's, as i still need like $800 for Serato :) I have had a play on the tt500 as thats the deck Derringers uses to listen to Vinyl and it seems damn solid with good torque.
I am also looking at ST150's (incase a good deal comes up), possibly 120's..

[yeahright]

i was a nUb a few years back and was going to buy shit turntables but then i just bit the bullet, bought second hand 1200's for $650 a pop and never regretted it ever.

[Garthyboy]

I've got a pair of TT500's at home and they have been going strong for years now.
Personally I like them equal to the 1200's but resale the 1200's will shit on them.
I can play on 1200's with little adapting time, eg 5 mins just to get used to the lower torque...

Get what you feel most comfortable with.....in saying that i will most likely upgrade to some 1210MK5G's soon - they are just sexy to look at :thumb:

[P_A_Sime]

Ive bought alot of stuff in my life and not once have I ever thought at purchase time what i could resell it for. I buy something to enjoy it, regardless of cost.

[superunknown]

Hey Yeahright, I will buy technics if I can find some for 1k with a mixer included. Otherwise its just too much mulah simple as that :P


Garthyboy: Thanks for the info ill keep that in mind when I consider the TT500's

[Bracko]

i still don't know why you're buying scratch live and turntables and using a laptop on top of that.

scratch live is mainly build for people that already have turntables. CDJ's would be a better opion IMO... but it's your money :P

[Tristan W]

I had the tt500 for about a year, the torque was good. However the tone arm was shit and one of the direct drives started to feel like it was on the way out so sold and got technics.

I figured that unless you just play in your bedroom whats the point getting any other as from my experience every club, bar, mates house you can bet that there going to have 1200's. You mind as well get used to there slower response and quirks.

[DJ D one]

If I had to buy (or when I am going to buy), it is going to be a no brainer for my choice of TTs..lol though TTs.
Money is always the factor (I assume for most of us), but that is the way it is, there is not many other alternatives (Rob a bank), if you are going to spend 2.5 k...that is the way it is going to be, that is the effort you have to put in, and most of us do...of course if you are not going to be in it for the long run then buy cheap stuff...

DJD1

[superunknown]

I think DJ D One sums it up.. its time to go rob a bank :lol:

[DJ D one]

Lol don't tell them it was my idea...
Then get 1200...

[P_A_Sime]

You mind as well get used to there slower response and quirks.

And what quirks might they be?

[Funkedub]

^^^^


no built in flanger :(

[white lie]

I think resale is about the same from brand to brand. A comparison if you willl....

You buy a pair of M5's and you'll be looking around $1800 for the pair. These could sell in 12 months for around $1200. Loss of $600. Stantons ST-150's or STR8-150's you can pick up a pair for $1500. Sell them in 12 months for $900. Loss of $600. Same, same. Initial outlay for the Stanton's would put them on top IMO.

[Bracko]

the % loss is higher. and i haven't seen anyone sell stantons for 450 each :? .... although I'm not exactly looking

[Funkedub]

I think resale is about the same from brand to brand. A comparison if you willl....

You buy a pair of M5's and you'll be looking around $1800 for the pair. These could sell in 12 months for around $1200. Loss of $600. Stantons ST-150's or STR8-150's you can pick up a pair for $1500. Sell them in 12 months for $900. Loss of $600. Same, same. Initial outlay for the Stanton's would put them on top IMO.


yea but % wise ... it's less depreciation on the technics :geek:

I scored my technics of a mate who thought it'd be cool to be a DJ ... he got over it pretty quickly .. so i scored his decks n mixer in top top nick, so he could follow a girl to Canada ... $1200 for the lot. I could easily make that $$$ back

i also like taking advantage of when people who give up mixing and also get rid of their vinyl :ahoy:



edit : curse you Bracko !! i was busy making my tea after pressing reply and you beat me to it :P

[Pirotechnics]

Get technics 1200's

If u dont have the cash wait till you do. so many times I almost bought cheap decks but I made myslef wait till I had the cash for 1200's and I am so glad that I did.

If resale is such a big deal dont bother getting decks at all! I wanted decks for about 2 years and was buying vinyl n playing on mates decks till I knew I was prepared to fork out the $$.

[DJ D one]

If I have to buy equipment second hand, I will always look for the newbie quitting...and just like Funkedub you score well usually. On the other hand I try to avoid buying it from real Deejays...no offence guys...sometimes buying from producers may be also good, as they tend to be maniacs (In a good way, they do look well after their equipment that is what I meant). From what I have seen you can buy second hand technics and resale them for the same price a few months later...in anycase depends how you present your sale pitch...

DJD1

[superunknown]

Brako: "i still don't know why you're buying scratch live and turntables and using a laptop on top of that". I kinda missed that post last time I replied. I want to use turntables, its as simple as that haha, i dont know I would prefer to have the 2 vynils (even timecoded) spinning around and manipulating the music that way.. Hey i want to do it for fun and that would be part of the fun for me.

white lie: You are right about the 150's, theres a pair on E-bay going for $950 with 9hours to go and they are near new

Funkedub & DJ D One: Too bad none of my friend have tried it so I cant get a bargain like that XD but yeah I will keep a look out for 2nd hand noob gear

Pirotechnics: I think I will wait, or I will eventually cave in and get CDJ's haha (probably not). I don't know anyone who DOES have decks except vinyl players lol.

Look like its back to saving.. and using the PC.. might even finally look into CDJ's as per Bracko's suggestion :thumb:

[Funkedub]

I would prefer to have the 2 vynils (even timecoded) spinning around and manipulating the music that way..


the plural of vinyl is vinyl



:geek:

[superunknown]

got owned :lol:

[dj oldfart]

Do the farkin math ppl.....pair on 1200's new including base cartridge etc is about $1800 and they sell 2nd hand for 1000-1200 for the pair. St150's are 1400 for the pair including everything and I recently saw 2 pairs sell on ebay for 900-1000 respectively even if you sold a pair for $700 you would still loose the same amount you would on a pair of technics. The only problem with reselling is that stantons dont have the rep so they are harder to sell. The only logical arguement ppl can put forward re technics being better is that they have been around longer. Yes I do have stantons but I had various technics over the last 20 years and have been a professional dj for most of that time so I think I can make a proper comparison and I would say that stantons are far superior and would never go back to technics unless some big changes were made. Granted practically everything else stanton makes is shit but then again technics cd players are shit their headphones are shit....What makes technics so damn perfect? Just some bullshit rep that ppl cant see through..:P

[DJ D one]

is that called setting the record straight?
oops
LOL

DJD1 is grabbing his cd players and getting the F out of this thread.....run.....run....

[Funkedub]

technics aren't "perfect"

they're just a proven workhorse

Others haven't been around long enough to prove if they withstand the test of time

they might ... but we just can't say yet

i'm curious as to what you base the Stantons "superiority" though

[Dj SteveWill]

i'm curious as to what you base the Stantons "superiority" though

I'll answer this as I have owned Technics MK5's and the ST-150's at the same time and kept one set (guess which ones ;) )

More rumble /resonance resistant than the Technics (but its also heavier)
4,5kg/cm2+ of Torque
S/PDIF digital output
Line output
Pitch control selectable range of +/-8, 25 or 50%
Dual start/stop buttons
Removable LED target light
Master Tempo (key correction)
Reverse
Removable quality rca cables
Removable power cable
The large cooling heat sinks that are installed inside (most people will never see these)
Start up speed adjustment
Stop/Brake speed adjustment

When pressed on the platter it doesn’t bend or anything which IS the case on the Technics (This proves that the layering of the spindle is extremely well and strongly build on the ST-150).

As well as adjusting up and down, there isn’t a struggle with the platter like with other turntables. As long as you adjust the turntable, it lets your do that and won’t fight against you.
When you stop adjusting, the engine will just go to its original pitched speed.
It handles great! It let’s the person that operates it do whatever he wants without struggling or what ever, and would then just fall back to its original speed.
Trust me, you’ll love the way this turntable handles.
No SL1200, PDX, PDT600 or TTX can possibly beat this!

[Funkedub]

More rumble /resonance resistant than the Technics (but its also heavier) - a good benefit if proven
4,5kg/cm2+ of Torque - Technics have enough torque for me. What do you need more torque for ?
S/PDIF digital output - No use to me
Line output - a genuine bonus
Pitch control selectable range of +/-8, 25 or 50% - Technics pitch works fine for me.
Dual start/stop buttons - you need these why ? (i've found some newer decks put these in themost annoying places where im used to resting or putting my hand .. meaning i often accidently turn the decks of whilst trying to cue)
Removable LED target light - Whoa ... essential i'm sure !
Master Tempo (key correction) - Wouldn't ever use it
Reverse - Now this i'd actually use !!
Removable quality rca cables - Technics ones are fine. What difference does this really make ... apart from the ability to lose them
Removable power cable - never had the need to remove the power cable .. see above about losing things too
The large cooling heat sinks that are installed inside (most people will never see these) - Can't say i've ever had a Technics overheat on me ... even when the records are melting in the sun
Start up speed adjustment - wouldn't ever use it
Stop/Brake speed adjustment - i use my fingers

When pressed on the platter it doesn’t bend or anything which IS the case on the Technics (This proves that the layering of the spindle is extremely well and strongly build on the ST-150). - If you're heavy handed on the decks this might be an issue, but i've never had any problems with this


When you stop adjusting, the engine will just go to its original pitched speed. - what are you screwing with the engine speed for ?

It handles great! It let’s the person that operates it do whatever he wants without struggling or what ever, and would then just fall back to its original speed.
Trust me, you’ll love the way this turntable handles. - Handling ? WTF ? it plays records ... it's not a car. Technics do what ever i want them to do without any struggling





most of this list is all the "whistles and bells" from my perspective. There's obviously a couple of features i'd embrace ... but i don't see the necessity of a lot of those feature, or more to the point, it seems they're being touted as "required" or "essential" when really they're extras to wow the consumer into believing it is a "superior" product. :)

... but that's just me :)

[acoustinaut]

technics aren't "perfect"

they're just a proven workhorse

Others haven't been around long enough to prove if they withstand the test of time

they might ... but we just can't say yet

i'm curious as to what you base the Stantons "superiority" though

just to play devil's advocate... you are assuming that new Technics 1200s are built to the same quality as previous models... Technics have changed suppliers for many of the parts over the life of the 1200 series... they have also reduced their warranty in some countries (which says volumes IMO)... the whole industry standard comment may be fair, but it certainly doesn't mean they are the best turntable around... it's all about horses for courses... like any piece of gear, you would be a chump to chose something just because it is the standard regardless of whether it fulfills your needs... my 2 cents... :zabiela:

































BTW I own a pair of 1210s :lol:

[Funkedub]

i said nothing about industry standards :P


i actually like them for the simplicity and utilitarianism :)

[acoustinaut]

i said nothing about industry standards :P


i actually like them for the simplicity and utilitarianism :)

yeah that wasn't directed at you as such... :haha:

[white lie]

the % loss is higher. and i haven't seen anyone sell stantons for 450 each :? .... although I'm not exactly looking


I sold mine last week for $900 the pair. They were just under 2 years old...

[dj oldfart]

It basically comes down to this the stantons are a statistically better turntable. The problem is that like most other new pieces of equipment they havent been embraced by the industry. I remember when cdj 500's 1st came out and nobody wanted to use them, hardly any clubs had them but now the standard is a cd player with a jog wheel. It took ages for this to happen and it will eventually happen with the current technics. I am not saying that the st150 will take over, perhaps technics will pull their fingers out and implement some of the excellent added features other turntables are using. I look at this whole turntable debate as a positive as it may improve the industry standard. Neither technics nor stanton are perfect and it is horses for courses. I bought the stantons because i found the added features gave me options to do things with my mixes that just arent possible with a technics. Ultimately it is up to every individual to make their own choice as everyone has different tastes and there is nothing wrong with that.

[P_A_Sime]

The 150's are pretty though.

[Dj SteveWill]

More rumble /resonance resistant than the Technics (but its also heavier) - a good benefit if proven
I owned (and tested) both side by side
4,5kg/cm2+ of Torque - Technics have enough torque for me. What do you need more torque for ?
See your comment on reverse (you need good torque for instant reverse!)
Dual start/stop buttons - you need these why ? (i've found some newer decks put these in themost annoying places where im used to resting or putting my hand .. meaning i often accidently turn the decks of whilst trying to cue)
Its not anywhere you would/could rest your hand.
Removable LED target light - Whoa ... essential i'm sure !
Being LED it will probably never need replacing (and if it does it takes 2 seconds and no need to open up or solder, or pay someone else to do it)
Reverse - Now this i'd actually use !!
See above comment on torque
Removable quality rca cables - Technics ones are fine. What difference does this really make ... apart from the ability to lose them
If they get damaged you just replace them (no need to open up or solder, or pay someone else to do it)
Removable power cable - never had the need to remove the power cable .. see above about losing things too
I brought mine back with me from the UK so I just use any Aussie kettle lead and If it gets damaged you just replace it (no need to open up or solder, or pay someone else to do it)

Also with removable items its makes it easier to move them or to pack them into road cases etc

The large cooling heat sinks that are installed inside (most people will never see these) - Can't say i've ever had a Technics overheat on me ... even when the records are melting in the sun
Just saying how well they are built and their durability

Start up speed adjustment - wouldn't ever use it
Stop/Brake speed adjustment - i use my fingers
For consistency (and to make it like cdjs) the dial is better

When pressed on the platter it doesn’t bend or anything which IS the case on the Technics (This proves that the layering of the spindle is extremely well and strongly build on the ST-150). - If you're heavy handed on the decks this might be an issue, but i've never had any problems with this
as above Just saying how well they are built and their durability

When you stop adjusting, the engine will just go to its original pitched speed. - what are you screwing with the engine speed for ?
Motor speed, whatever you know what I meant

It handles great! It let’s the person that operates it do whatever he wants without struggling or what ever, and would then just fall back to its original speed.
Trust me, you’ll love the way this turntable handles. - Handling ? WTF ? it plays records ... it's not a car. Technics do what ever i want them to do without any struggling
See above motor speed.. The Technics are great decks (I'm not denying that) I just think the Stanton feels slightly faster / better / more accurate


most of this list is all the "whistles and bells" from my perspective. There's obviously a couple of features i'd embrace ... but i don't see the necessity of a lot of those feature, or more to the point, it seems they're being touted as "required" or "essential" when really they're extras to wow the consumer into believing it is a "superior" product. :)

... but that's just me :)

I was just showing where the Stantons are superior and yes I listed the extra features, while you may not need (although you did want some of) them there are people that do.
As always know the FACTS and try all of them out and decide what TT is best for yourself (Not cause some myth / hype / reputation that Technics are and always will be the best).

[Dj SteveWill]

The 150's are pretty though.

I love the sexyness of my blue ones! :love:

[Bracko]

new vestax decks out soon... lets fap over them too.....

[white lie]

They have dual start/stop buttons for people that turn them sideways to scratch. Easier to turn them on/off with the left hand when scratching with the right rather than trying to play twister on your deck.

[superunknown]

its good to see this thread wasn't completely pointless, some good discussion on why ST150's are as good if not better than Technics both in features and resale (damn i hate that word now :lol:).

Anyway in the end I'm going to get me some CD players instead of TT's which makes sense for my situation. Thanks to everyone who posted their opinion hopefully it helps someone out :thumb:

[Bracko]

me pwns thread.