View Full Version : With CD's anyone can be a dj... Digital has killed the 'sacred' track..
djsimonmann
09-Jul-07, 02:20pm
Just thinking this morning how I used to scan new release lists daily for vinyl that had only just come out so I could snaffle it up and be one of 20ish dj's in Sydney playing that one killer track because the record stores only got in limited stock..
Now fuckers just go download em and 1000's have them immediately without any work on their part...
Kinda pisses me off cause now, tracks aren't as sacred as they used to be...
How cool was it when someone said, just got this new track from store, and you could say, meh, got the first release, been playing it for a month... 8)
That just doesn't happen anymore....
crazy_tripper
09-Jul-07, 02:27pm
true, though it's been like that for quite a while, and even before cds were taking off it's been easier to order records from all across the globe
certainly a long way since djs scrubbing the labels off their records to keep their killer tunes a secret
problem solved.....just hit up friends/producers etc for their new unreleased stuff. myspace is agood for that...just got sent a new unsigned track all because i asked nicely
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I'm pretty meh about it.... yes you can buy any new track now, but you still can't buy musical taste :P
with the huge amount of new digital downloads available every week im sure its even harder to find a secret gem track. doesnt that make it all the more sweet when you do?
Donnie Darko
09-Jul-07, 03:29pm
I'm pretty meh about it.... yes you can buy any new track now, but you still can't buy musical taste :P
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plus u can still dig in digital music for a great track that hasnt been recognised from many years ago
jimrocks
09-Jul-07, 03:31pm
How cool was it when someone said, just got this new track from store, and you could say, meh, got the first release, been playing it for a month... 8)
that must have been cool as!
fuckin DJ's
i think it makes those vinyl releases that dont get released on digital format even more valuable, even though they maybe harder to find
djsimonmann
09-Jul-07, 03:58pm
Yeah, look while I agree that it does make exclusive vinyl releases all that more exciting... it also means that tracks become fodder for the floor, as opposed to the dancefloor way quicker because every man and his dog can get the track in 30 seconds...
Personally, I don't download and I've only bought 5 or 6 tracks digitally so I don't really go for the digital thing that much..
Just some thoughts from the train this morning....
Jim, yeah it was... really cool, heaps cooler than anything you've ever done... I rate myself based on the music I buy, I'm so much cooler than you... :crazy: :rainman:
u can always find killer tracks that other wont find. I was playing Ame's Rej almost a yr before it caught on. (got it off the port) Just one of those things hey.
richcur
09-Jul-07, 06:35pm
More tracks + more time spent researching + wow another gem no-one else has = "The Wonders of Digital Music"
Personally I think it rocks, being able to play a 2 hour quality set every week with totally different tunes to the last week, although I have no life outside anymore because I am always on "the port"... meh, swings n roundabouts :)
myspace + netlabels = undiscovered gems
just got to dig a little deeper
ChemicalJames
09-Jul-07, 06:58pm
No work?
I spend ALOT of time sifting through all the TERRIBLE music online to find the good stuff. I also spend quiete a bit of time trying to get stuff before it's released.
No work? You had it much easier. Just make friends with the store owner, get him to put aside the songs you wanted.
To get an edge these days requires ALOT more work. (you said it yourself, digital music is alot more readily available.)
To be brutally honest this sounds like something my parents used to say when they were resisting mobile phone technology.
anders8b
09-Jul-07, 07:39pm
^ totally agree.
The fact that its soo easy to get music out there via myspace etc has opened the flood gates. There is so much crap to wade through now!
just cause stuff is readily available doesnt mean all of it is any good...
plus i always believe its the way a dj puts his set together that sets him apart...i have heard many people play the same tunes but in diff ways...
competition in djing is a good thing...decides the men from the boys...
Donnie Darko
09-Jul-07, 08:52pm
Personally, I don't download and I've only bought 5 or 6 tracks digitally so I don't really go for the digital thing that much..
no offence mate, but im a lil puzzled why a vinyl conniseur is advertising "midi in the city" ?
Dj Hempenhymer
09-Jul-07, 09:08pm
Im pritty bias to vinyl and one of my fav producers Gabriel and Dresden released one of my all time tracks "dub horizon" only on digital release, so there is no vinyl copy, i even contacted them and told them to stop killing vinyl, although they never replied to that.
Morphee
09-Jul-07, 09:40pm
How good was it when you got a track on white months before it was released, and when you dropped it the crowd went nuts, because not every man and his dog had a copy...
those were the days.
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 07:49am
no offence mate, but im a lil puzzled why a vinyl conniseur is advertising "midi in the city" ?
No offence taken.... I have no idea what you're on about... I would think buying music on a particular format has nothing to do with the mix disc I am promoting for local producers?????
Please explain?
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 07:54am
To get an edge these days requires ALOT more work. (you said it yourself, digital music is alot more readily available.)
To be brutally honest this sounds like something my parents used to say when they were resisting mobile phone technology.
Yeah good point.... I was referring to the ease of getting a popular track once you'd heard it out because it is available via a 5 min download.. but I see your point re finding hidden gems...
Your parents sound fun :)
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 07:55am
Morphee, that's what I am talking about...
How good was it when you got a track on white months before it was released, and when you dropped it the crowd went nuts, because not every man and his dog had a copy...
those were the days.
nah i disagree...
a good dj will still be able to make a crowd go nuts to even the most over played track...its the build up and how he uses that track that makes the difference...
plus there are heaps of tracks (even i have them) that i have never heard played out that are just outstanding...even from the most popular producers...
archietech
10-Jul-07, 10:18am
use what you want to use do what you want to do sound how you want to sound yeah
i'm currently heartbroken because people i don't know don't think i'm as cool as i used to be which might not sound like a big deal to some but the entire reason i got into dj'ing was to be really cool - a pursuit i have strived to conquer my entire life. i even got one of those 'who the f*ck is archie' t-shirts. last week i dropped a song with like four swear words in it ahahaha should've seen everyone's faces they thought i was a god.
cds and downloads have *just* come out so it will be REALLY interesting to see the effect they have on the dj'ing community etc. all the fake dj's will no doubt start to buy the digital stuff because they are fake and crap and the worst while anyone worth their salt i'm predicting will stick with vinyl (hecka cool). you guys should hear the stuff zambiela is doing with his 1200s and effects unit. man that shit is tight
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 10:28am
:lol:
Djing isn't determined by the media you play....
And vinyl, might have nostalgic value but it's not cooler to play..
If anything I think the totally digital djs playing serato etc are prob the most ground breaking at the moment as they have the ability to do a heap more with their music than a some one who plays cd or vinyl...
media was never the arguement though... it's about the ease of getting the tracks... AND the value of said peice of music...
personally I think a track I own (assuming it's an awesome track), that no-one else has is more valueable than an awesome track, that everyone owns...
archietech
10-Jul-07, 11:26am
well yeah a key factor to value is availability :)
but then again one dj's trash could be another's treasure :D
subjective
personally i much much prefer to own a track on vinyl than anything else purely because i'm a sad fuck (don't really know how to put it into words) :D
twistedbydesign
10-Jul-07, 11:34am
digital upped market saturation
it's not subjective
it's fact
Yes you can still seperate yourself from the pack by putting passion into your collection
but that was something that was almost a standard requirement before
now johnny dj can build a collection of the hottest shit on demand
it's changed the dynamics of the whole process
Dub DeLay
10-Jul-07, 01:24pm
I don't think it matters, I think accessibility is a good thing. And anyway I still think I can play a set where most people don't know the names of most of the tracks (and anyway most don't care).
There is no point moaning about how it aint like it used to be because there will always be change. Embrace it or die.
archietech
10-Jul-07, 01:34pm
if johnny dj was playing the 'hottest shit' i'm pretty sure that is your opinion (ie subjective) :thumb:
oh wait no you're right all dj's have exactly the same taste and everyone will have exactly the same opinion on all the hottest shit and at any given time every awesome dj is spinning the hottest shit simultaneously around the world.
not market saturation either... long way off!
i might be a tad confused (just for a change) but are you actually saying that you find it hard to seperate your music from the pack?
i play things i like playing, i don't follow any kind of guidelines :zabiela:
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 02:58pm
There is no point moaning about how it aint like it used to be because there will always be change. Embrace it or die.
Yeah but who's moaning? I was thinking about how I liked the fact the records I bought were not disposable peices of bits and bytes that anyone could download... Surely that's something worth thinking about? It is in my book...
I have nothing against change either, just looking at the way the change has influenced the availability of music...
And besides Noel, if everyone bought the obscure shit you bought, it wouldn't be all that obscure would it? One day it might affect you too.... just cause it doesn't shouldn't mean it's not worth discussing...
judgeMental
10-Jul-07, 03:35pm
personally I think a track I own (assuming it's an awesome track), that no-one else has is more valueable than an awesome track, that everyone owns...
ahh the times - they are a changing...
but do u think this is comparable to some djs' mindset's where they're so protective of tunes they own (as opposed to produce) that they won't even disclose the name of the track.
i lived with a guy once who showed me this tune which was (and still is) unfreekenbelievable. we'd be back to back, and would leave the track on until i wanted to play something with it before he quickly took it off.
i was like "why didn't you leave it on?""
he was like "i don't want to hear it out - it's special to me"
i was like "(jokingly) well if i bought it and assured you i wouldn't play it while u were out, would that be ok?"
he was like "i guess that would be ok." (5 mins later), "nah on second thoughts, i don't want u to have it at all"
Nowadays, there appears to be a new bread of djs out there that will happily disclose ANY track u may ask.
it's not what u play, it's how u play it IMO of course :thumb:
Dub DeLay
10-Jul-07, 03:37pm
Yeah but who's moaning? I was thinking about how I liked the fact the records I bought were not disposable peices of bits and bytes that anyone could download... Surely that's something worth thinking about? It is in my book...
I have nothing against change either, just looking at the way the change has influenced the availability of music...
And besides Noel, if everyone bought the obscure shit you bought, it wouldn't be all that obscure would it? One day it might affect you too.... just cause it doesn't shouldn't mean it's not worth discussing...
I thought you were moaning when you said that fuckers just download them and it pisses you off... but I must have misunderstood.
Actually most of the stuff of mine you heard last year was bought at spank records and I wouldn't call their stock obscure at all... nontheless I am very much affected by where I sit in the DJ world (to the extent that I don't really think of myself as a DJ these days).
I've always thought that a tune is just a tune and owning a tune doesn't make anyone special, and I think DJs who link self-worth to their collection are a bit sad. Which probably explains why I am so bad at looking after my collection. (Now I stress I'm not saying you are one of those sad DJs Simon).
I agree with archietech, I just buy what I like, and I am often surprised that people think what I buy is obscure because I don't buy it because it's obscure, i buy it because I like it. And right now I am agonising over what to do to play digital tunes, because there are so many more tunes I want to buy that I otherwise wouldn't.
And I do think it's worth discussing, if I didn't I wouldn't have replied.
silvaside
10-Jul-07, 03:41pm
Just thinking this morning how I used to scan new release lists daily for vinyl that had only just come out so I could snaffle it up and be one of 20ish dj's in Sydney playing that one killer track because the record stores only got in limited stock.. I guess the upside is that you can now get the tracks you missed out on due to limited presses.
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 03:48pm
I am a sad dj though Noel :P
Seriously though, I know most of the ones you played at Mumbo were from Spank, cause I had some too, or had listened to others there or we talked about it... but some of it really is obscure..
I know what you mean that a dj's collection doesn't make the dj.. and I full heartedly agree.. But would you say that the more treasured numbers in your collection, wouldn't really mean as much, if everyone had it, and played it?
What I mean by that is that I have a copy of a three track mix by Carl Cox, on an Ultimatum White... It has been signed/etched by Carl Cox.. It's one of my most favorite records cause the 3 track mix is awesome, they are great tracks that he's mixed and he's signed it...
If I had a burnt cd, with the same tracks mixed the same way and Carl Cox had etched a message onto the top of the CD, I can honestly say, that I wouldn't care less about it.. Just cause I see it as more disposable... If I scratch it, I can burn it again.... but if I scratch my vinyl, it's ruined...
Also, I'm pretty sure no-one else has this record... well atleast with the funny messge on it.. And because I feel it;'s pretty exclusive to me, it's value is higher to me...
If that makes sense...
But hey, I too am considering digital formats but only cause I can do exactly what I am kinda bagging in this thread... If I hear a track I like I can have it in seconds... I don't think any of these digital tracks will mean as much to me as my records though...
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 03:49pm
very true Silver...
Dub DeLay
10-Jul-07, 03:58pm
Actually Simon, truly, the tunes that mean most to me are the ones that trigger some kind of emotional response, like the tunes I played when I first met my partner for instance.
But everyone is entitled to place their own value on what they have... and I tried selling off all my records at one stage and now I am pissed off that I sold what I sold... I must admit there is some deeper attachment. And although I think some of the preciousness about vinyl is rubbish, mixing vinyl is still one of the most enjoyable experiences I know.
archietech
10-Jul-07, 04:08pm
so it's pretty much down to a throw-away culture with digital stuff vs a fixed (wrong word i know) culture of vinyl. i'm in total agreement of this, and feel exactly the same way :thumb:
things on cd or digital mean nothing to me (echo'ing your sentiments). ahh i just thought that maybe it's also do to finite vs infinite? maybe it's also because vinyl is so intrinsically linked to dj'ing; before we knew anything about mixing we still knew about the significance of the records...
just thinking about records makes me all warm and fuzzy.
psychologocial warfare on the itm board this arvo ya'all
for the record i would never call myself a dj and as a fun fact i started using cdjs and now only use vinyl... :stroke:
i have very much enjoyed this thread too mate good work :D :thumb:
Spitchen
10-Jul-07, 05:05pm
I don't think it matters, I think accessibility is a good thing.
Yeh, rather accessibility than elitism. And as chemicaljames said, its just as hard, if not harder, wading through the endless rubbish online to find interesting tracks... be they vinyl, cd or mp3/wav.
I think we all have our preferred methods of obtaining and playing tracks. Its all personal choice in the end.
Donnie Darko
10-Jul-07, 05:51pm
No offence taken.... I have no idea what you're on about... I would think buying music on a particular format has nothing to do with the mix disc I am promoting for local producers?????
Please explain?
yeah stupid observation on my part, you obviouslly like what they do but prefer to stick to orignial mixing stylez
ill just stfu, carry on ;D
Pro Tool
10-Jul-07, 06:02pm
er... I though anyone could be a dj anyway.....?
threatened much? why?
Commando Sting
10-Jul-07, 06:49pm
ableton killed music
djsimonmann
10-Jul-07, 07:19pm
I'm not really saying accessibility isn't something that's good, it is... I think music should be made available to anyone... but vinyl controlled that to a degree, because there wasn't an infinite supply.
That sounds contradictory, and it probably is...
It's more the idea of having something no-one else has.. and it's not really about elitism either, it's more of a value add thing.. If a dj has records in his box that no-one else has, it makes that dj valuable.. (I'm not referring to myself here)
So what i'm saying is something that you are unable to duplicate or copy, to me, holds more value than something that anyone can have at any time..
Noel, the tracks on the CC record do hold emotional significance, and so do many of my records, my angle was more of a physical thing...
Just thinking this morning how I used to scan new release lists daily for vinyl that had only just come out so I could snaffle it up and be one of 20ish dj's in Sydney playing that one killer track because the record stores only got in limited stock..
Now fuckers just go download em and 1000's have them immediately without any work on their part...
Kinda pisses me off cause now, tracks aren't as sacred as they used to be...
How cool was it when someone said, just got this new track from store, and you could say, meh, got the first release, been playing it for a month... 8)
That just doesn't happen anymore....
I agree with bits and pieces...
I used to sit at home on a friday night and trawl just chemical records for new tunes... I still do (moreso with the port :P) these days but still tend to buy more records than downloads...
I don't have anything against beatport, but I can't stand DJ's who get their tunes free from trancetraffic and the like... esp the ones that just d/l everything they find...
Spitchen
10-Jul-07, 08:37pm
If a dj has records in his box that no-one else has, it makes that dj valuable.. (I'm not referring to myself here) .
Valuable in what sense Simon?
If a track is played at an inappropriate time or at the wrong party, any value of that track is kinda lost. So really, it still does come down to a DJs sense of timing and selection with respect to the party being played at, regardless of how one takes possession of a tune.
I'm kinda glad things are lot more egalatarian than before, it means that the skill now lies more in recognising quality music, knowing the type of crowds you play to and knowing when its the right time to drop a particular track rather than knowing the owner of a record store etc.
I'm kinda glad things are lot more egalatarian than before, it means that the skill now lies more in recognising quality music, knowing the type of crowds you play to and knowing when its the right time to drop a particular track rather than knowing the owner of a record store etc.
There are those of us who built up decent record collections ordering records online without having ties with any record stores...
Pro Tool
10-Jul-07, 09:58pm
I'm not really saying accessibility isn't something that's good, it is... I think music should be made available to anyone... but vinyl controlled that to a degree, because there wasn't an infinite supply.
That sounds contradictory, and it probably is...
It's more the idea of having something no-one else has.. and it's not really about elitism either, it's more of a value add thing.. If a dj has records in his box that no-one else has, it makes that dj valuable.. (I'm not referring to myself here)
And that's the corner right there. You're in it ;)
Methods and resources change, and with them so do the enterprising individuals. The secret choons that you reakon make a DJ so cool are still out there - there just not necessarily where you're used to finding them.
Update, evolve and enjoy.
The real winners are the producers making the killer choons. Don't release it. Give it to the 'important' DJs well in advance. SO if you want the secret formula - just knowing where to shop aint gonna cut it no more. It's about networking. And that's something that a LOT of DJs would do well to do more of with the actual source of the music that they're playing. Remember - music doesn't come from the guy @ the record store - it comes from the composer. All of a sudden - that composer is appearing to be worth his real value...
Being able to buy music off the net has an advantage for those that may not have the time to go out to shops and buy the records/cd's.
I myself do not have my licence and closest CD store takes me a good 30mins to get to when not being driven... but I can just pop on the net and purchase the tracks I have in mind withouth having to leave the house.. especially on those chilly days hehe
Donnie Darko
11-Jul-07, 02:44am
its like saying if we legalised drugs itd cheapen the mystique
when in reality everyone simply has more access now :P
Dub DeLay
11-Jul-07, 08:18am
er... I though anyone could be a dj anyway.....?
threatened much? why?
wassup? you missing the DJ threads afterall?
Pro Tool
11-Jul-07, 12:36pm
apparently so ;)
You guys are a good source of entertainment. Besides I'm trying my hand at being a hack dj bit these days ;)
Funkedub
11-Jul-07, 12:59pm
Now fuckers just go download em and 1000's have them immediately without any work on their part...
it's true ... now any git can flog the latest releases from the hottest acts .. in fact ... you can go and hear the same tracks at some events 5 times or so.
As i've said here a few times before .. i'm a music/record collector before i'm a DJ. I <3 nothing more than having a dig in the local record store and grabbing random releases as well as those i have an eye out for.
This is what gives me my sound ... no one else has my record collection, because no one else looks (or doesn't look) for what i look for and the way i do. I'm not saying this like "fuk my collection kicks ass over yours" ... all i'm saying is, that my process of tune aquisition plays a large part in my resultant sound.
Now if every DJ is going to hit up Beatport or juno or what have you and be looking at the same lists and charts ... chances are more likely that they're buying similar tunes ... and mixing up similar sets.
Charts have no impact on what i collect ... i very very very rarely "wait" for a release to come out. I prefer the pleasant surprise of stumbling on it whilst digging in the record store .... like when i found the new FSOL releases :love:
Funkedub
11-Jul-07, 01:06pm
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plus i always believe its the way a dj puts his set together that sets him apart...i have heard many people play the same tunes but in diff ways...
handing the same 4 tracks to 4 different DJs highlights this.
Tunes don't make a DJ ... planning, tune selection (creating a narrative), technique and innovation do
Now if every DJ is going to hit up Beatport or juno or what have you and be looking at the same lists and charts ... chances are more likely that they're buying similar tunes ... and mixing up similar sets.
i think youre just as likely, if not more, to stumple across something brilliant that very few, if any, other local djs might have. there are so so so so so many more digital releases every week compared to vinyl and your local record store will get a very small number of those vinyl releases in anyway.
sure, if a dj just wants to go buy from the top 10/100 chart of their preferred genre, then theyre going to have the same tracks as everyone else, but to sit down and trawl through the thousands of new releases to find that gem... well it speaks for itself really.
Pro Tool
11-Jul-07, 01:48pm
This is true. Funk you make it sound so simple. BP has something like 5000 new tracks a week!
Funkedub
11-Jul-07, 01:49pm
^^^^
"chances more likely if"
if being the qualifier added for good reason :)
Funkedub
11-Jul-07, 01:51pm
This is true. Funk you make it sound so simple. BP has something like 5000 new tracks a week!
*shrugs*
mate ... i'm still buying tracks from 30 years ago ... i don't give a toss what came out this week ;D
with the huge amount of new digital downloads available every week im sure its even harder to find a secret gem track. doesnt that make it all the more sweet when you do?
agreed, the thrill of the search threw the crap is always fun
defected819
18-Jul-07, 09:30pm
OH NOES some is playing the same music as you are. Farking get a grip you pansy. If I hear a dj playing shit I play I usually go up an introduce myself, always nice to meet like minded folk. :thumb:
djsimonmann
19-Jul-07, 04:45pm
bit late aren't ya?
That's not even my point twat ball..
OH NOES some is playing the same music as you are. Farking get a grip you pansy. If I hear a dj playing shit I play I usually go up an introduce myself, always nice to meet like minded folk. :thumb:
that's all good until you hear a lot of trance DJ's out that play the same old boring ASOT top 20!!!
defected819
20-Jul-07, 07:49pm
bit late aren't ya?
That's not even my point twat ball..
Twat ball haha nice one. :thumb:
Seriously what is your point? All I see is your not upfront anymore because other djs are playing the same new tracks that you have. :emo:
f1rebug
20-Jul-07, 10:07pm
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Just thinking this morning how I used to scan new release lists daily for vinyl that had only just come out so I could snaffle it up and be one of 20ish dj's in Sydney playing that one killer track because the record stores only got in limited stock..
Now fuckers just go download em and 1000's have them immediately without any work on their part...
Kinda pisses me off cause now, tracks aren't as sacred as they used to be...
How cool was it when someone said, just got this new track from store, and you could say, meh, got the first release, been playing it for a month... 8)
That just doesn't happen anymore....
That's because your a dickhead with virtually no life outside of finding tunes so you can cock stroke other DJ's.
twistedbydesign
21-Jul-07, 09:50am
such spite can only be inflicted by a right good skull fucking
did simon skull fuck you mr firebug?
Lui_raptor
28-Jul-07, 12:08pm
people talk and think too much. djs let their ego go to their heads (remember.. all you did was buy the track.. u didnt make it or were responsible for its release) and there is not enough dancing.
DJ D one
28-Jul-07, 03:36pm
Just thinking this morning how I used to scan new release lists daily for vinyl that had only just come out so I could snaffle it up and be one of 20ish dj's in Sydney playing that one killer track because the record stores only got in limited stock..
Now fuckers just go download em and 1000's have them immediately without any work on their part...
Kinda pisses me off cause now, tracks aren't as sacred as they used to be...
How cool was it when someone said, just got this new track from store, and you could say, meh, got the first release, been playing it for a month... 8)
That just doesn't happen anymore....
Well that is a bit selfish...music is intended to be played and listened too...not to make yourself look good...
Hunting for tunes is merely not a job, it is a pleasure
For a tune to be sacred it has to prove itself...and that is to be played all over the planet for a long time...and make people dance all the time...
D1
Lui_raptor
28-Jul-07, 05:56pm
Well that is a bit selfish...music is intended to be played and listened too...not to make yourself look good...
Hunting for tunes is merely not a job, it is a pleasure
For a tune to be sacred it has to prove itself...and that is to be played all over the planet for a long time...and make people dance all the time...
D1
amen to that!
Tredman
28-Jul-07, 06:17pm
i see both sides personally......i actually must admit i started on cdj's but i now buy all my tunes on vinyl simply because i feel its correct to support hte artists etc plus i like the quality haha
DJ D one
29-Jul-07, 10:12am
^^And I am sure if you buy from Beatport, Juno, Djdownload and the like that the artists get their share.
D1
DJ Fusion
29-Jul-07, 11:28am
Tunes don't make a DJ ... planning, tune selection (creating a narrative), technique and innovation do
But 4 shit songs mixed brilliantly will still sound like 4 shit songs and I wouldn't be listening to that DJ anytime soon again, so in that sense the tunes might not make the DJ but they can sure break him.
twistedbydesign
29-Jul-07, 11:49am
slyde made drop the pressure sound good at the metro a few years back
skills
Funkedub
29-Jul-07, 12:04pm
But 4 shit songs mixed brilliantly will still sound like 4 shit songs and I wouldn't be listening to that DJ anytime soon again, so in that sense the tunes might not make the DJ but they can sure break him.
of course the songs are still shit songs ... but at least you can pick the better DJ :P
Brendonism
29-Jul-07, 12:54pm
With vinyl anyone can be a musician.
beattun
29-Jul-07, 01:35pm
bullshit of the highest order
the digital age has made it EASIER for people to get fresher tunes, there is so much unsigned stuff out there, and producers have now resigned to the fact that theyr enot going to make any money from their productions but they want them to be heard, one producer friend of mine actually uploads his (signed) tracks to free download forums, it still gets your name out there and connects you with people, and possibly gets you gigs if you dj.
and beatport can be excellent if you use it to your advantage, theres no point going near the charts, the thing i love most about beatport is the follow on links, you might be looking at a jim rivers track and get a link to saw recordings, then follow that to another producer then to another label where you may find a heap of good shit
embrace it people, its just how it is.
soi-disant
30-Jul-07, 06:30pm
so, now all djs can have access to tracks from all over the world, from any producer wishing to put their music out there, where as before we could only hear what a very few record shops decided to import, and had to wait for international dj's to hear sets full of new music?
how is this bad?
i guess it might suck that now when an international comes, you might have already heard most of the tracks they play.
but you can still buy all the vinyl you want, digital music sites arent stopping you, you can also be happy with the fact that your vinyl might sound better on really good systems, but the liberation of music is not a bad thing.
frankxinyu
31-Jul-07, 01:19am
beatport has regional restrictions, so you can not download all the tracks you want
a lot of djs who have no taste will only download bad tracks any way.....a good dj can mix 10+old songs and still sound good....its the way they do it
so yeah, i am new to the dj scene, but what i enjoy the most is when you spend the whole night looking for tracks, and the excitment you get when you find it and listen to it....nothing beats that feeling
Random_Kiwi
31-Jul-07, 11:32am
Just because you can download Beatports top 10, doesn't make you a good DJ!
Give a bunch of DJs 20 tracks to make a mix from, and you'll end up with 20 different mixes. DJing well is about reading the crowd and responding accordingly, progressive/flow with track selection. Just coz people can all get the same tunes now, doesn't mean they'll be any good at these finer points of DJing.
Personally I think it makes the hacks stand out MORE from the great DJs than in previous years.
DJ D one
31-Jul-07, 12:03pm
^^ Surely right, I can see the noob putting the 2 anthems right from the start and then strugling to keep them with the 18 left.
Building that mood, bringing the flow to a climax and then let it go on a nostalgic note isn't everybody's forte.
Reading the crowd is good, but controlling the crowd is even better, you have to make the crowd believe in you and trust you, and get it to go where you want to go.
You want people to talk about it the next days or following days, that was something special and not just another night down the club...is that realistic?
D1
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Random_Kiwi
31-Jul-07, 12:46pm
Yeah dude! With you! And shit, just because you have the basic principals of beat matching, doesn't mean you'll blend the tracks correctly...some tracks sound good with another track just slammed in over the top, some tracks require subtleness in the way you bring the new track in...a mix can be a high point, or it can be a low/mellow point which teases the crowd...
djsimonmann
31-Jul-07, 01:06pm
wow, shit fight since I last looked...
firstly - sucked in firebug...
secondly - a djs tunes do make him or her valuable... that's why some djs are more sought out than others, cause they have better tunes... And in all honesty, unless it's a dj circle jerk, most punters couldn't give two shits about skills... they want good music..
My point was that I could, before the digital era go and buy a track that no-one else had, nor could get... and yes, as a dj, that made me more valuable... it's the nature of the game, ego doesn't come into it... on that level. Sure when I was bragging about it to mates, my ego was inflated cause I had a track that no-one else did and that felt cool... but I didn't go around telling other djs about my shit... if thwey heard it, then they'd know... if they didn't, then I didn't care...
Stupid digs about ego and what not don't matter to me. I know why I buy music and I know why I like to have music that no-one else has...
of course the songs are still shit songs ... but at least you can pick the better DJ :P
I'm sure in nik skitz's 20+ years of DJing he'd be an okay DJ, but I still want to gauge my ear drums with chopsticks when i hear his mix sets.
I'm still of the belief that no matter how good a DJ you are, if you have no taste in music or music flow, you're never getting gigs, or your getting gigs at genre parties i don't like :P
DJ Fusion
31-Jul-07, 03:16pm
Good point Bracko.
Some awesome DJs play shit songs, and no matter how awesome a DJ is they aren't going to make a shit song sound good.
DJ D one
31-Jul-07, 05:11pm
wow, shit fight since I last looked...
firstly - sucked in firebug...
secondly - a djs tunes do make him or her valuable... that's why some djs are more sought out than others, cause they have better tunes... And in all honesty, unless it's a dj circle jerk, most punters couldn't give two shits about skills... they want good music..
My point was that I could, before the digital era go and buy a track that no-one else had, nor could get... and yes, as a dj, that made me more valuable... it's the nature of the game, ego doesn't come into it... on that level. Sure when I was bragging about it to mates, my ego was inflated cause I had a track that no-one else did and that felt cool... but I didn't go around telling other djs about my shit... if thwey heard it, then they'd know... if they didn't, then I didn't care...
Stupid digs about ego and what not don't matter to me. I know why I buy music and I know why I like to have music that no-one else has...
A good tune is a good tune, wether it is brand new or 15 years old. To me what you want is not good tunes, you want brand new good tunes that nobody has.
Well I have to say if everybody is thinking this way, we need more producers than deejays...to me it seems there is more deejays than producers right now...so at some stage we will have tunes in common.
So here is a solution for you, figure out the night you play, go get some time coded vinyls, then sign up with all the download sites, now the night before the gig, go and select the best music that was just released 2 days earlier from all the download sites, then you have brand new stuff not so many people have.
There is so much music available, I cannot imagine 2 deejays playing the same tunes, well unless you play top50 arias chart.
Sometimes I hit beatport and discover good tunes I never heard before and yet they were released 2 years ago...I cannot imagine the regular people knowing all the tunes on the planet...so my point is you can still make out a good set with music people have forgotten about or are old and people don't even know anyway.
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djsimonmann
01-Aug-07, 07:54am
Thanks D1, it was more of a restrospective kinda subject as I'm not really into having only new music these days...
When I did dj all the time and was interested in being on top of my game, your advice would have been very useful, except for the fact that digital wasn't as advanced as it is today.. but that's neither here nor there.. good points regardless..
Since I no longer do the whole 'competition' thing with other djs (and it is extrememly competitive), it's not so important, but in the past, it really was and vinyl helped keep certain tracks under wraps much longer than digital does...
DJ D one
01-Aug-07, 09:49am
^^You are a digger (Unlike a lot of DJs that just get whatever is on the Arias), I don't blame you for trying to be unique.
I don't know how it works with vinyls, thought you could get stuff that were not on download sites.
All I know is not to feel threaten because there is a ton of music out there, if one care to find out what are the hits in lets say Holland or Portugal, Italy, Spain, Germany even Brazil or any other country for that matters... there is a ton of cool tunes that never gets to be played in Oz.
You just have to try new digging sites...but there is quiet a lot outhere, for sure more than my wallet can follow.
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jimrocks
02-Aug-07, 10:04am
firstly - sucked in firebug...
are you 13?
djsimonmann
02-Aug-07, 12:54pm
yes... yes I am 13...
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