can somone PLEASE explain wtf dub is!

[jarrardscott]

firstly.
i posted in production thread because i am referring to peoples productions of dub remix's.
and just dub in general.
i dont know it well enough to know what genre thread it could go into if it did.
and this kind of asks my question.
wtf is dub, somone please explain what makes something dub and not tech or prog or watever else it could be.
i seriously dont get it.{:-(

[Lukey]

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=192000

[andosound]

Check this site out, its got some stuff for production too

http://www.interruptor.ch/dub.shtml

:thumb:

[RaveBot]

lol

[Donnie Darko]

http://www.dubstep.com.au/

mod, please move to EDE forum, ta

[funkyant]

As far as the term 'dub mix' goes, I understand it to be the 'B side' mix of a track that is usually deeper and with less vocals - often just sampling the hook. All my old 90's house vinyl 'b side' mixes are consistent to this theory. I think the term dub may come from the fact that all these old house mixes use snippets of vocal with massive tape style delays??

Dub Music (the genre) is a different thing all together.

[andosound]

mod, please move to EDE forum, ta

but dub is not nessecarily E, D, or E, and it is more to do with the production side of music.


http://www.interruptor.ch/dub_basics.shtml Since Dub is an artform which evolved from the recording techniques available in Jamaica back in the seventies the equipment used in this example is from that period too.
Of course nowadays you can use modern equipment which offers far more possibilities especially when it comes to editing and controlling details of the production (hard disc recording, mixing automation, ..). It is felt by some producers however that real dub must be mixed by hand in real time as a "direct-to-tape mixing performance".

[polarbear]

> It is felt by some producers however that real dub must be mixed by hand in real time as a "direct-
> to-tape mixing performance".

qft.

[Funkedub]

dub is my adventure :ahoy:

Studio One & Sir Coxsonne Dodd = :love:

[Jubei]

Dub started out as in Jamaica, when producers started messing about with b-side instrumentals, with people stripping back the vocals on the original record so Toasters (live MC's) had more time to add their vocals in. But then people like Lee Perry and King Tubby took it a step further, and started fading vocals in and out, whilst adding echoes, delays, and sound effects so that the instrumental became a massive tune in its own right.

I don't know how that translates to current music, I find 'dub' gets thrown around and bastardised more than 'funky' used to. In my mind a dub would be a tune which has been stripped back, with effects added, but intended to be listened to as is, rather than used with an MC or accapella.

[Funkedub]

dub stems from ska and rocksteady which are the pre-cursors to reggae. someone left the vox off a track once ... played it at the dance ... and the dance went off !!


there are a couple of things that characterise a dubwise tune.

1. the riddim . This is the combination of the bassline and the drum pattern. This is at the root of dub and the nature of the version. The riddim is the complete essence of the track. when everything else is stripped away, this remains as powerful by itself as it is with all/any of the other instruments added.

2. the accent is on the 3rd beat of the bar. in 90% of dance and rock and jazz etc etc the accent is on the 1st and 2 ... or 1, 2, 3, 4th beats of every bar. Even in the most frenetic abstract jazz. In dub/ska/reggae/dancehall ... it's all about the accent on the 3rd downbeat ... to the point where you won't have a kick drum until the 3rd beat of the bar.


So if i'm going to label or classify anything as dubwise ... it has to have these characteristics :)

[Citizen]

Maybe this book (http://www.amazon.com/Bass-Culture-Lloyd-Bradley/dp/0140237631) might help you.

:thumb:

[Funkedub]

^^^

+1

[killa-leaf]

listen to mad proffessor...some really nice clean stripped-down-to-basics dub stuff. a genius at simplicity with creativity.

ummmmmm yeeeeaaaah

[Funkedub]

http://funkedub.com/site/madp.jpg

[DuncanM]

The end of dub (http://www.straightup.com.au/page?n=153)

"Just like any genre or scene, dub has limits, boundaries, defined edges. It has heroes,
great moments, turning points. A history. When an outsider looks in on it, someone who
isn't part of that history, you get The End of Dub. Electro, techno, and jungle artists
living like nomads on the edge of an echoing city, taking what they need from it and then
selling it on the black market or exporting it back to where they came from. The
wanderers have the best stories."

A tad pretentious, but a great mix nonetheless.

[calico]

Bass Culture is one of the better books written about music, if you're feeling Jamaican sounds it's pretty essential.

[Alistair]

As far as the term 'dub mix' goes, I understand it to be the 'B side' mix of a track that is usually deeper and with less vocals - often just sampling the hook. All my old 90's house vinyl 'b side' mixes are consistent to this theory. I think the term dub may come from the fact that all these old house mixes use snippets of vocal with massive tape style delays??

Dub Music (the genre) is a different thing all together.


QFT. The best answer to this question so far.

[simonfromuk]

dub is short for double. And King Tubby used to make doubles - or copies - of records quite regularly cos he was working as a record cutter.

And one day he was making a copy - a double - a dub - of a reggae tune and accidentally left off the vocals (this already got mentioned, I know).

The dub version slayed a crowd and it all evolved from there as producers started doing dubs (essentially remixes) of reggae tracks, showering them with effects, working the mixer live (and thus laying the foundations for DJ mixer technique).

In contemporary dance music terms, a dub is basically another version of the track, re-interpreted in a manner that's aligned with the jamaican dub techniques - so vocals will be cut or used very sparingly with echo/delay, and more focus will be given to the rhythm track.

[Zephyr2007]

thankyou simon, you know your shit.

[DuncanM]

http://www.inthemix.com.au/music/33815/Various_Artists_Studio_One_Dub_vol_2

[Funkedub]

^^^^

Souljazz re-release a lot of old Studio One releases ... and omg don't i love them so as a result :bow:

Got volume one of that Studio Dubs ... might have to listen to this new 2nd one

a lotta people tout King tubby as the master of dub ... but i seriously have to put Coxsonne Dodd right up there too

[DuncanM]

I LOVE "scorchers" and the Jackie Mittoo compilation, but I'm a ska fan from way back. My abstract for the review is:

"Ho hum, just another top quality 'Studio One' compilation from England's Soul Jazz Records..."

[Funkedub]

^^^

I dig the 100% Dynamite, 200% Dynamite etc compilations ... just nice varied slabs of ska, rocksteady and dub on a disco, soul and funk tip ... so good!!

The Studio Onbe Story package is pretty sweet as well ... a few hours of footage on the DVD to enjoy ... makes you realise that Jamaicans really do say "ye mon" a lot

[DuncanM]

I never picked up the 100% dynamite stuff, because a lot of the early ones had stuff that I already had. But yeah, <3 Soul Jazz.

[Funkedub]

^^^

always pays to have a double of the track ;)

[Richard Parker]

anyone else like the sound of this? Boomkat are makin a big deal of it but as usual i hadn't heard of it until i got their email :)
samples are tasty tho - it's in the bag.
http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=53105

[big eddie]

jonny greenwood is the controller

pretty much the best dub mix I have heard in ages (craate digging through 40 years of trojan records)

[Funkedub]

The Orb also have a new compilation out .... I'll be Back - The Orb Jukebox ... plenty of dubwise selections on there !