Traktor Scratch vs Serato

[ShyBoy]

Peeps,

Just wondering what the pro's and con's for either of these products are?

[archietech]

i'm in the same position and from my research and such traktor scratch is the weapon of choice :thumb:

[Bracko]

only decent review is here that I've found

http://www.nem0nic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=119&Itemid=1

since i've been playing the underdog all my DJ career, I'm probably going to get it. and for a great price i can't complain.

[Neo_]

Traktor scratch is the new standard IMO.

Serato while they still have a great product with a great reputation for stability and ease of use. For mine they have dropped the ball considerably and rested on their laurels for a bit too long.
The latest versions are only just incorporating MIDI for pete's sake.

Traktor Scratch and its hardware are a lot more flexible and its just as stable and as easy to use.

2c

[Bracko]

is the sound card a proper 4x4? could i acually pretend to make music on it?

[Neo_]

Indeed it is.

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=audio8dj_us

Thats the interface that comes with traktor scratch.

IMO it leaves serato in a big cloud of dust at the moment. They are really going to have to revise some shit to compete.

[Bracko]

yeah, so i can potentially hook up external sources and use ableton/reason etc and it's by no means restricted to using traktor.....

:stroke: that's a pretty big incentive IMO.

[HARV3Y]

I like to view the song side to side rather than up and down ... I can't explain it any better than that sorry, if you've played with both you'll understand what I mean. Traktor FTW

[andreas]

Traktor definately looks the goods at the moment.

[andreas]

From all reports the sound card is pretty high qual too isnt it??

[Dj Hempenhymer]

What is peoples opinion on the versatility on both setups, with regards to some forms of music are better off benefiting from this program such as Tech ,hip hop, ect.. where i can see you want that vinyl feel but also the extra HDD space or just dont want to cart all vinyl around.

Do you think for stuff more commercial style its better to just bite your lip, sell the decks and get cdjs if you know what i mean?

And when you are using the "control" vinyls can you still bring along a crate of vinyls along to the gig to just use them without having to unplug all that stuff?

[andreas]

Yeah you can still use normal vinyl when Traktor is setup I believe.

[andreas]

Ok I have ordered Traktor & a new mac lappy and now have the monumental task of
ripping all my vinyl to my computer.

Any one have any tips & tricks for this?

At the moment I have a xitel http://www.spankrecords.com.au/stock/djgear/djGearDetail.asp?id=10559
at the moment which I will probably use for the task.

[Neo_]

Get a good new stylus or cart specifically for this.
Ensure your vinyl is clean and dust free - obvious
A decent interface, you will have that in NI's Audio 8 (which comes with traktor)
A decent audio editing program. I am not sure of the free ones out there. But i use wavelab. $600 approx.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to give me a PM or hit me up on MSN Andreas. :thumb:

Which mac did you get? i got my new one the other week 2.4 Ghz and its farken sweet!!!

[ekwipt]

If Traktor can pull off the 2 deck control of 4 decks well (ala Traktor 3.3), I reckon I'd be on it.... but what's Traktor got that Serato hasn't.

Serato for me...

[HARV3Y]

What is peoples opinion on the versatility on both setups, with regards to some forms of music are better off benefiting from this program such as Tech ,hip hop, ect.. where i can see you want that vinyl feel but also the extra HDD space or just dont want to cart all vinyl around.

Do you think for stuff more commercial style its better to just bite your lip, sell the decks and get cdjs if you know what i mean?

And when you are using the "control" vinyls can you still bring along a crate of vinyls along to the gig to just use them without having to unplug all that stuff?

Don't forget they come with control CDS as well as control vinyl! :thumb:

[jazzyd]

If Traktor can pull off the 2 deck control of 4 decks well (ala Traktor 3.3), I reckon I'd be on it.... but what's Traktor got that Serato hasn't.

Serato for me...


Has serato got key lock?

[ShyBoy]

If Traktor can pull off the 2 deck control of 4 decks well (ala Traktor 3.3), I reckon I'd be on it.... but what's Traktor got that Serato hasn't.



What do you mean by this? Can you explain?

[archietech]

Ok I have ordered Traktor & a new mac lappy and now have the monumental task of ripping all my vinyl to my computer.

i'm just thinking out-loud here, but are there any kind of copyright infringements for downloading music from the internet that you already own? i guess the fact the mp3 or whatever exists in the first place is illegal, but is there any kind of grey-area whereby you could download lots of tunes you already owned saving yourself lots of time?

or do you have to do the actual ripping yourself?

sounds like a bit of a nightmare, although on the flip-side i guess you'll rediscover a few gems :D

[ShyBoy]

I like to view the song side to side rather than up and down ... I can't explain it any better than that sorry, if you've played with both you'll understand what I mean. Traktor FTW

I guess each has its benefits.

With Serato running up and down, you can see where the basslines align for a beat mix. Yes I know you can hear it but if you want a visual if you didnt have a monitor, this would be helpful.

However with the side by side, you can see alot more track and what coming up.

[archietech]

What do you mean by this? Can you explain?

traktor scratch allows you to control 4 digital decks via the 2 physical turntables

there are more audio inputs and outputs on traktor scratch

you can use both cards as standalone soundcards.

[ShyBoy]

Most of you may find this a stupid question, but I know with Serato - its has those teeth at the top of the display that helps you beat sync tracks quickly.

Does Traktor have something similar?

[archietech]

i'd say to grab yourself a demo copy mate - it's a small program. check it out for yourself! take away some of that mystique. i love it :blush: :blush:

you can see beats line-up easily in traktor too, if that's what you mean but yeah i'd suggest tooling aroud with the demo :thumb:

[ShyBoy]

i'd say to grab yourself a demo copy mate - it's a small program. check it out for yourself! take away some of that mystique. i love it :blush: :blush:

you can see beats line-up easily in traktor too, if that's what you mean but yeah i'd suggest tooling aroud with the demo :thumb:

Sweet, I might take a look at the demo.

Before everyone jumps in with the 'why can you just beat mix by ear' I am wanting to get Serato/Traktor to mess around with mainly hip hop/rock mixing at home. The teeth graph on Serato allows you to align quicker and make faster transitions etc.

[Bracko]

i'm just thinking out-loud here, but are there any kind of copyright infringements for downloading music from the internet that you already own? i guess the fact the mp3 or whatever exists in the first place is illegal, but is there any kind of grey-area whereby you could download lots of tunes you already owned saving yourself lots of time?

or do you have to do the actual ripping yourself?

sounds like a bit of a nightmare, although on the flip-side i guess you'll rediscover a few gems :D

yes it is a grey area. from my limited understanding you're able to copy vinyl to mp3 as it's now not illegal. but the problem arises when you go to the buying and selling forum and tell everyone you're selling your vinyl because you've copied it, what you're doing is selling the licence with the piece of wax.

as for downloading an illegal recording that you have the licence for, thats a question for people like legal affairs.

[Neo_]

i'm just thinking out-loud here, but are there any kind of copyright infringements for downloading music from the internet that you already own? i guess the fact the mp3 or whatever exists in the first place is illegal, but is there any kind of grey-area whereby you could download lots of tunes you already owned saving yourself lots of time?

or do you have to do the actual ripping yourself?

sounds like a bit of a nightmare, although on the flip-side i guess you'll rediscover a few gems :D


Its illegal to download the mp3 unless you pay for it. So you will have to re buy the tunes in that format.

You can change the format as in recording your vinyl, but if you sell the vinyl you no longer own the tune and therefore your MP3 copy is now illegal.

[archietech]

Cheers mate - I'm not talking about selling any of my vinyl though, i couldn't do a thing like that! Purely as a time-saving excercise :)

[ekwipt]

Has serato got key lock?

Yeah, internets says it's better than Traktors too :rock:

But that's probably being said by the Serato :zabiela:

[ekwipt]

traktor scratch allows you to control 4 digital decks via the 2 physical turntables

Unproven if it works, the software update hasn't been released yet unless there's a beta.

It's a good idea though, beats having Ableton on the same laptop or the more expensive setup of having two laptops (Serato & Ableton.... Traktor users could obviously do the same thing)

[Neo_]

I really think the line is closer than ever.

There hasn't really been a commercially available marketed product that has got even close to serato's hold on the market place.

[andreas]

i'm just thinking out-loud here, but are there any kind of copyright infringements for downloading music from the internet that you already own? i guess the fact the mp3 or whatever exists in the first place is illegal, but is there any kind of grey-area whereby you could download lots of tunes you already owned saving yourself lots of time?

or do you have to do the actual ripping yourself?

sounds like a bit of a nightmare, although on the flip-side i guess you'll rediscover a few gems :D


Was talking to Chris at Spank about this very thing yesterday and his view is that even
ripping the vinyl to your computer would infringe copyright laws, as technically it is making
a reproduction.
My belief was that if you owned the original you could make a copy for safety purposes however that may not be correct either?

Definately shades of grey around the laws by the sounds.

Just read this on another forum didnt think you could use VST's or ableton with any of the
programs YET..

[ "This is a PM I sent a chap over on MS. Should help you out.

FYI, talking about Traktor Scratch First.

First off, the interface is by far the best on the market. It uses Cirrus converters and that's just unheard of in DJ equipment! it samples at 96k/24bit.

Another good thing is that it's all being built by NI, no third party involved anywhere. So they have been able to implement a number of features. The best one in my opinion is that you can run it through Ableton and use Ableton as you master clock, PLUS you can also run VSTs in Traktor Scratch itself. Custom effects anyone? Not only can you customize your effects, but you can use automation to record your movments to make effects even more dynamic and alive.

I've had mine for a bit now (friend works for NI so I got a 'demo' copy = p) and I really can't see anything wrong with it at the moment. Haven't played out with it yet but once I get the feel and trust myself with it more than I'll be taking it out.

But it's still new, and I'm not sure how often they are going to be putting out updates for it like Rane has for Serato. That's one of the reasons I went with Serato because they actually listen to what their users suggest and try to implement them.

Traktor Scratch is by far the superior product at the moment in terms of quality.

If you just use Serato as a record box than by all means no need to get Traktor, but if you have thought about using Ableton to SUPPORT your DJ set than by all means Traktor is the way to go.



Since you already use Ableton I would say get Traktor Scratch but that's me.

Cheers and best of luck!" ]

[Bracko]

Was talking to Chris at Spank about this very thing yesterday and his view is that even
ripping the vinyl to your computer would infringe copyright laws, as technically it is making
a reproduction.
My belief was that if you owned the original you could make a copy for safety purposes however that may not be correct either?

from what Iv'e read, since the laws changed in recording material for backing up purposes you can do this.

same with up until last year it was illegal to record shows you wanted to watch on your VCR player.

[andreas]

Interesting Bracko. Either way you would have to be unlucky if you ripped your vinyl to
laptop for something like Traktor (keeping your vinyl at home) and got busted for
copyright infringement somehow?

[Dj Hempenhymer]

Answer this!

if you have Serato or traktor scratch running, can you just remove a control vinyl and then put a proper record on and play it, it would save having to rip across all vinyl to the pc, and still gives you the option of carrying a case of records to the gig

[archietech]

thanks for sharing that pm andreas, that is pretty much the most insightful review i've read on traktor scratch. looks like a whole can of worms to play with :rock:

i have never heard of a dj being busted for the mp3 thing, but i don't have my ear-to-the-ground by any stretch of the imagination...

as you said you sure would be unlucky to get busted playing stuff you ripped yourself from vinyl haha

[johnjay]

dj hemp yes just change the line to phono

[TurntableTech]

I don't know how people can compare and say Traktor Scratch is better based on paper specs when very few people have used it in the real world.

Based upon the previous efforts eg Final Scratch 1 & 2, that would be enough to scare me away.

[Bracko]

I don't know how people can compare and say Traktor Scratch is better based on paper specs when very few people have used it in the real world.

Based upon the previous efforts eg Final Scratch 1 & 2, that would be enough to scare me away.

I agree, but we're not looking at hardware from Stanton anymore, and traktor software on it's own is a great product.

[Neo_]

I have used both and for me traktor scratch is a better product.

Serato/ rane really need to lift their collective game with their product or they will be left behind.
Dont get me wrong, Serato is awesome. It does what it does extremely well. In this day though its a little rough and needs an overhaul with some decent features to really open up the playing field a bit more.

2c

[Nixtol]

I've been playing out with Traktor Scratch for about 2 Months now. It is a great piece of kit. Solid as a rock. Funny thing is, one of the best things about it is a simple way you hook it up to the clubs mixer. Because I play the same club each week I simply leave the mixer side of the Loom in place. (you can buy extras if you play more venues) All I have to do to set up is plug my laptop in, plug the sound card in to the Lappy (USB) and the plug the two cannons in and I'm ready to roll. Whole process take all of 2 min.

Once the Traktor 3.3 update drops, this thing will shit all over Serato from a very high altitude.

I use to use Final Scratch with Traktor 3... That was OK... the STANTON box being the weak link, not to mention Stanton's lack of customer support. NI on the other hand are an awesome company to deal with, they even sent out demo CD's and brochures at my request because so many people want to know what I'm using. With them having full control over the entire product I'm sure Traktor scratch is gonna become a real competitor in the race to become the standard, which at the end of the day is what we are all waiting to see, which company becomes the Pioneer cdj1000 of the Digital Vinyl control world.

Traktor Scratch FTW!

[andreas]

Thanks for that wrap up nix

[archietech]

I don't know how people can compare and say Traktor Scratch is better based on paper specs when very few people have used it in the real world.

Based upon the previous efforts eg Final Scratch 1 & 2, that would be enough to scare me away.

I sure wish I was lucky enough to have access to a Traktor Scratch unit. Infact I wish I were lucky enough to test any piece of equipment I've ever bought before buying it. Unfortunately I'm not lucky enough to be in this kind of position, and thus the only way I and many other people can conduct research is 'based on paper specs'. Another problem about never getting to play with things etc before you buy them is that people often give 'advice' that is incorrect or misleading, like comparing traktor scratch to the scratch amp for example.

:thumb: :bow:

I am going to buy traktor scratch, based entirely on 'paper specs' very very soon! :love:

[Pro Tool]

Hi everyone. Have emails from some of you again. Sozzles een @ trade show ALL week with no internets at all :( Just checking now and have to go to gigs in like 1/2 hour so will get it all goin over the weekend/monday.

much love.

[Pro Tool]

I don't know how people can compare and say Traktor Scratch is better based on paper specs when very few people have used it in the real world.

Based upon the previous efforts eg Final Scratch 1 & 2, that would be enough to scare me away.
Blah, blah, blah.

[silvaside]

I don't know how people can compare and say Traktor Scratch is better based on paper specs when very few people have used it in the real world.

Based upon the previous efforts eg Final Scratch 1 & 2, that would be enough to scare me away.Enjoy your obsolete serato :thumb:

[spandexxx]

been using serato for a while now and its been great, but the new features on traktor look very nice.... can use it as a soundcard aswell... might consider giving it a go

[ekwipt]

Beat jump- move within a track without losing track/tempo sync

Can anybody give feedback on this one?

[TurntableTech]

Enjoy your obsolete serato :thumb:

I DJ, I'm not a button pusher or a feature user to make up for my inability.

[Pro Tool]

i love you.

[silvaside]

I DJ, I'm not a button pusher or a feature user to make up for my inability.
:lol: You sound like someone who thinks they've been hard done by technology, some kid with a laptop steal your gigs or something? At the end of the day you're only playing other peoples music...clearly you deserve a medal.

[johnjay]

ohk so can someone give me a quicklist of all programs that let you have vinyl control using a laptop,

torq
numark
serato
tracktor

is final scratch serato?

[Bracko]

final scratch is Stanton, SSL is rane.

[TyPhoNiC]

Does Traktor Scratch or any other digital vinyl setup have the colour coded frequency waveforms like Serato? Serato definately has the best waveforms out of all the software I've seen.

[Laptopexcursion]

As a vinyl emulator serato scratch is unreal. Love it and use it all the time. It does what its supposed to do perfectly. Only major drawback is the clunky box. Its a pain to set up and the usb port on it is flimsy.

[SloppyJo]

It comes down to what & how you play & think of your DJing. Tractor interface & setup tends to lend itself to more fluid styles of DJing, for styles like house, techno, trance etc. It also looks more like a CD player read out (on screen).
Serato lends itself more to hip hop & a turntablists view on DJing. Both have its pro's & con's but at the end of the day its more a personal choice.

[blakenelson]

Okay i'm not somone who has the money to purchase traktor/serato and i've just done simple stuff with torq.

Has anyone used torq and can actually give me a good run down if its gonna just die halfway through a set.

It seemed stable when I used it but I wasn't using effects or cueing or looping or any of that stuff.

[andreas]

Ring and speak to chris at spank records as he has been using torq for a while and loves it.

Best I can offer unfortunately

[Bracko]

i wouldn't look at pricing as a direct comparison of quality. Stanton's unit was the same or more than rane scratch live and it simply smashes it in terms of performance.

[Atomic-FX]

There's also Virtual dj with the feature od video mixing capabilities too ( i should be shot for mentioned it). I moved to vdj as a cheap ' hack it up as you go' custom job to the 'packaged and marketed' solutions out there. Before that i ran Traktor with jsut ann external mixer.

we run the system for mobile gigs with an 100Gig collection, also sometimes removing my mates pc ( as we dont have a 4 chan mixer) and placing his hdd in the gig machine adding another 100 or so gig to the collection. VDJ cannont cope with this at all now, it really shows that NI got their programming down right

NI Traktor3 is Just awesome product in so many ways, but for me nothing compares to how it's must crucial aspects to me (screen design/layout and functionality in this aspect AND its database mp3/id3 backend that has often been overlooked in other products giving u a tiny amoun of space to view playlisted songs and not handling importation / anaylisation well at all.

1. It puts its palylists and gets it directory tree from with in the windows file tree. Trust me on this one, a typed paragraph can not explain how benificial this is.

2. it's Search function is just soo damn powerful especialy considering u can show FULL id3 tagging ie ( key, directory path,track in album, release dates,last played ) all this is crucial info to how i operate in those moments where i dont have a song to chuck onto next. BTW the search function and mp3 database collection in vdj is utter tosh.

[mike_jaye]

As a vinyl emulator serato scratch is unreal. Love it and use it all the time. It does what its supposed to do perfectly. Only major drawback is the clunky box. Its a pain to set up and the usb port on it is flimsy.

Compared to the shape of Final Scratch box, Serato is way more convenient. I also heaps prefer the screen layout of Serato, very simple and easier to search/acess tracks quicker. I'd never want the midi functions of Final Scratch, so am chuffed with Serato.

[mike_jaye]

Tractor interface & setup tends to lend itself to more fluid styles of DJing, for styles like house, techno, trance etc. It also looks more like a CD player read out (on screen).
Serato lends itself more to hip hop & a turntablists view on DJing.

How does the interface of one or the other 'lend itself' to a certain 'style of mixing'? Granted that the only times I"ve used Final Scratch have been on a shakey old laptop, but Serato seems to respond quicker, be more stable and tracks better, which for scratching is a little more important. Although I'd have thought thats important for any style of music?

[Pro Tool]

Dude this isn't about Final Scratch. Go buy a newspaper, read the date, and check what's current.

[mike_jaye]

[QUOTE=andreas] and now have the monumental task of
ripping all my vinyl to my computer.

Any one have any tips & tricks for this?
QUOTE]

Yeah, rip at the highest bitrate you are comfortable with. I spent ages ripping stuff, only to realise it was doing it VBR. As far as programs, I believe Audacity is free as an editor, and EAC/Lame is a dope encoder with simple layout and good functionality. Check the user forums at Scratchlive or Stanton, heaps of threads and tricks.

[andreas]

The first time I had a real session on my new Traktor Scratch the other night and I am even
more impressed now than I was before. Played for about 3-4 hours and just ran so smoothly,
easy to find & grab tracks, even using the scroll function on the time code vinyl. Didnt even have to touch the computer. Thought the scroll function on the vinyl was a bit of a gimmick but
it certainly is not.
The last set list of tracks would be great for internet radio sets. Analyze is awesome.
I am still coming to terms with the beat mapping but the Traktor seems to be pretty on point
with its marking of beats.

All in all the more I use this the better I like it.

Three thumbs up from me.

Now down to the task of ripping all my vinyl using the Audio 8 & Audacity.

Am also looking forward to the recording of sets function on Traktor. Should make things easier.

[mike_jaye]

Dude this isn't about Final Scratch. Go buy a newspaper, read the date, and check what's current.

Apologies for my ignorance, I only read the telegraph so I'm a dumb shit :D

http://www.spankrecords.com.au/stock/djgear/djGearDetail.asp?id=34612

Shit, that looks pretty fucking good... are there any known 'issues' with it?

[andreas]

thks mike jay will check the scratch forums.

Any one have some Audacity settings for me to use for good qual

Also where do I find them in Audacity?

Preferences I presume?

[Pro Tool]

Apologies for my ignorance, I only read the telegraph so I'm a dumb shit :D

http://www.spankrecords.com.au/stock/djgear/djGearDetail.asp?id=34612

Shit, that looks pretty fucking good... are there any known 'issues' with it?
:lol: oh god ANOTHER Queenslander! There's a lot you types on here ;)

No really - a heap of people off here got together and group bought Traktor Scratch a couple months back and they're all singing the praises of it.

[silvaside]

Now down to the task of ripping all my vinyl using the Audio 8 & Audacity.

Am also looking forward to the recording of sets function on Traktor. Should make things easier.
I record my vinyl in Traktor and then run it through a program called WavePurity Professional to clean it up and fix levels.

[johnjay]

hay

apparently there are alot of cd players bettern then cdjs yet you do not see many in clubs


get my drift?

[Pro Tool]

wha?

[mike_jaye]

hay

apparently there are alot of cd players bettern then cdjs yet you do not see many in clubs


get my drift?

There's a lot of jukeboxes in clubs that are better than dj's, and they have VARIETY :)

[johnjay]

im saying tha serato is the industry standard

its got the name, and it does the job

why get traktor? you might aswell go for ableton, because it seems traktor is trying to market bs features like that

[Pro Tool]

Oh god you crack my ass JJ. Still bitter about faffing around and missing the group buy?

JJ poo poos it and chases 2nd hand (and faulty if I recall?) Serato while the rest of the world just gets on with it.

[archietech]

i wholy approve of the word 'faffing' :thumb:

[andreas]

OH MY GOD.. I hadnt realised that Serato was the "industry standard". Heck I havent seen
it out in any clubs at this point?? Wow I am behind the times...

I am going to rush out to sell my Traktor and chase the inferior Serato unit.. Choice :thumb:

[johnjay]

you will see the serato box in many booths, including many booths in melbourne

nah not pissed over it, i am selling serato as well because i dont like serato either

its just that the way traktor has been marketd to me seems that is more of a computer program then a dj product that is made to let you play mp3s just like vinyl

even serato has gone to far, i hate the waveform display it distracts me and i hate having to stare at a laptop and fkn fiddle with plugs, and use my laptop everytime i want to hear music

[Pro Tool]

mmmmmmmmmhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[johnjay]

plus im glad i got serato

because now i can actually re sell it,

[andreas]

Why would you want to re sell it??

Try before you buy. Personally I love the Traktor Scratch interface & you could play a whole
set without actually touching the computer if you wanted using the control vinyl to select
tracks as well as play them.. ??

EDIT: PS part of the reason Traktor is quite Xpensive is the high quality external sound card they ship with it..

[Pro Tool]

plus im glad i got serato

because now i can actually re sell it,
now that makes no sense at all.

[DJ Fusion]

plus im glad i got serato

because now i can actually re sell it,

Yeah mang you and me think the same, I'm glad when I get anything coz then I can resell it. Why can't people see the logic in this? Cuz they're jealous of us and our leet resell abilities thats why mang.

[archietech]

*takes the spade off jj*

[johnjay]

resale value

you know the thing those techincs turntables and pioneer cdjs have, which traktor doesnt

[andreas]

How do you know that Traktor doesnt have resale value? Why would you be focused on that?
Its not like you buy it with the plan of selling it.

[TurntableTech]

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum_us/showthread.php?t=52243

Apparently stability, crashing and freezing aren't things you should be worrying about!

[andreas]

Yeah reading through that there is a large cross section of purchasers that are having problems??
Its the same few people writing in. Some of whom are absolutely incoherrent (obviously english is not there primary language).

Look I havent used it enough to say that its totally stable but I am running it on a new
macbook pro at the lowest latency available and havent had any problems.

I will definately keep everyone posted once I clock up some real hours on the system though.

[RZArector]

im gunna stick with serato

spent $800 on it

hopefully a new patch comes out soon

[Pro Tool]

resale value

you know the thing those techincs turntables and pioneer cdjs have, which traktor doesnt
You're the funniest shit round here since sliced bread.

You bought it second hand dude. = you will sell it for the same ass 2nd hand price. The same logic applies if you bought a 20 year old Ford Falcon.

I like my n00bs determined. :thumb:

[silvaside]

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum_us/showthread.php?t=52243

Apparently stability, crashing and freezing aren't things you should be worrying about!
:lol: The Serato forums are no different... so what's your point again?

:lol: @ industry standard. johnjay must be an alias of turntabletech :ninja:

[TurntableTech]

Some of whom are absolutely incoherrent (obviously english is not there primary language).

That would be the tech support people from Native Instruments wouldn't it? The NI moderators seem to be pretty bad and obtuse?

Remember NI is a software company and one that has released some pretty shoddy software that would be considered alpha and beta releases by other companies standards, they're not a hardware company. Here is where I think potential problems may arise.

Scratch Live is a combination effort by a US pro audio manufacturer that's been around for over 25yrs (Rane), and an NZ software company that made a name for themselves making plug-ins for Pro Tools. This is why Scratch Live worked straight out of the box and did what it supposed to back in mid 2004 and they've built upon that @ users requests.

I've had about an hour on Traktor Skratch and it's not for me. I don't like the GUI and it's a lot more CPU hungry than Scratch Live. I've never had Scratch Live crash or lockup on me in 3yrs, yet I see a lot of people having that issue playing out with TS. The whole reason I got SL was it replicated vinyl manipulation perfectly and still does today.

Horses for courses...

[mike_jaye]

For what it's worth, I find the serato support really good.

[silvaside]

I've had about an hour on Traktor Skratch and it's not for me. I don't like the GUI and it's a lot more CPU hungry than Scratch Live. I've never had Scratch Live crash or lockup on me in 3yrs, yet I see a lot of people having that issue playing out with TS. The whole reason I got SL was it replicated vinyl manipulation perfectly and still does today.

Horses for courses...
Yeah and it's clear you're a Serato fanboy. Of course newer software is going to use more computer resources. People don't buy quadcore's to run dos do they?

It means nothing to me that serato can run on something I threw out 5 years ago. Perfect manipulation? :lol:

[TurntableTech]

Yeah and it's clear you're a Serato fanboy. Of course newer software is going to use more computer resources. People don't buy quadcore's to run dos do they?

It means nothing to me that serato can run on something I threw out 5 years ago. Perfect manipulation? :lol:

Serato has had 15 new versions of software in 3yrs dickhead. Guess what, still can run on a P3 1.2GHz and 256MB Ram. Traktor is locking up on current computer configurations. I started out with v1.2 and it's now up to 1.7.3.

NI wouldve charged for the upgrades 5x over.

[mike_jaye]

With all this bitching do you guys get a chance to actually mix anymore?

[Pro Tool]

In soviet russia, record scratches YOU!

[silvaside]

Serato has had 15 new versions of software in 3yrs dickhead. Guess what, still can run on a P3 1.2GHz and 256MB Ram. Traktor is locking up on current computer configurations. I started out with v1.2 and it's now up to 1.7.3.

NI wouldve charged for the upgrades 5x over.
I'm running TS on a 2-3 year old laptop and it works fine. Have you used TS for extended periods? Has it crashed on you? There are so many factors involved when something crashes and it seems like you just want to blame NI and their "dodgy" software without looking at the bigger picture.

[archietech]

turntabletech i used to really value your opinion but it seems that you're just another nerdling trying to be a hero on a virtual forum on the internet. sigh.

[ekwipt]

http://imagehosting.2illegalaliens.com/traktor3.gif

[TurntableTech]

turntabletech i used to really value your opinion but it seems that you're just another nerdling trying to be a hero on a virtual forum on the internet. sigh.

How about you read everything I have written and consider the FACTS?

[archietech]

i did read everything that you wrote :)

i have been using traktor w/ final scratch and currently traktor scratch for ages and have never ever ever ever ever EVER had a single crash or problem. these are my facts that i have experienced first-hand not read on the intertron or what-not :D

[TurntableTech]

i did read everything that you wrote :)

i have been using traktor w/ final scratch and currently traktor scratch for ages and have never ever ever ever ever EVER had a single crash or problem. these are my facts that i have experienced first-hand not read on the intertron or what-not :D

Obviously it's short-comings didn't bother you or your skills didn't experience them?

I was given 1.5 and Final Scratch 2 to evaluate and I gave them back pretty quickly as it was plainly obvious they couldn't do what I can do with two normal records. They didn't react or sound like real vinyl does. If all you then is beatmix then you probably wouldn't even notice this.

When I got my hands on Scratch Live in 2004, I was blown away. I could'nt find anything wrong with it all and started using it playing out 4 weeks later and have been playing with it ever since.

I don't need any bullshit features and stuff thats on CD players and effects or any crap like that. It's just clutter as far as I'm concerned.

Scratch Live has a very intuitive logical GUI with quick track search and selection. The last thing I want to be doing is playing with a laptop instead of DJing. Scratch Live wins in this area hands down.

IMO, one major faux pas on NI's part is the fact the unit does not have a buffered and isolated phono pass-through circuit on the box. This is a major problem if you're (or others before and after your set) are playing regular vinyl in a club gig.

[Pro Tool]

IMO, one major faux pas on NI's part is the fact the unit does not have a buffered and isolated phono pass-through circuit on the box. This is a major problem if you're (or others before and after your set) are playing regular vinyl in a club gig.

As for pass thru - check the cable that comes with it - it will explain a lot. And you'll see why it's a very clever system. I believe that if you power down the laptop with Serato inbetween no audio gets through yes?

[archietech]

sigh you've done it again TT. you're just talking utter crap and making massively wild assumptions. you don't even need to ever touch your laptop when using TS. you don't have to bother with effects if you don't want, and you can 'hide' them if you want too. i however do bother with some of them for a bit of fun however again i use my trigger finger to control them all and again never touch my laptop. just because you can't get your head around the simple traktor interface and can get it around your beloved serato it doesn't mean a single thing either. another thing to note that nobody is actually saying anything bad about serato, and as you said previously 'horses for courses'. i'm sure if i could be bothered i could find things on the internet saying how bad serato was and how often in freezes and blah blah blah, but again i'm only bringing to the table things i know from my vast vast experience with using the products.

serato does definitely dominate in the ping-pong though :thumb:

[johnjay]

When I got my hands on Scratch Live in 2004, I was blown away. I could'nt find anything wrong with it all and started using it playing out 4 weeks later and have been playing with it ever since.


Scratch Live has a very intuitive logical GUI with quick track search and selection. The last thing I want to be doing is playing with a laptop instead of DJing. Scratch Live wins in this area hands down.

IMO, one major faux pas on NI's part is the fact the unit does not have a buffered and isolated phono pass-through circuit on the box. This is a major problem if you're (or others before and after your set) are playing regular vinyl in a club gig.


nicely said and the reason why serato can be installed in a booth and traktor cant, you can leave the box there and dj's using normal vinyl or cds wont have to bring their laptops

but backspins sound fkn shit on serato

why does traktor need more cpu anyway? isn't its whole point to just play mp3's like records? and doesnt serato do that? so why do you need more cpu? just in case you want to use it like sasah uses ableton and click the mouse every 2 seconds?

i mean if you want a program that takes the whole concept of djiing away from it get ableton, why use something with vinyl control if you do not even really need it?

[archietech]

ahahhah great great post.

sure it's not the resale value mate?

do you honestly think that if you left the traktor box there dj's couldn't use vinyl? do you actually believe that? though i guess your knowledge on the matter never ceases to amaze me.

again let me say what a magnificant post that was. i thought i took the spade off you but i guess you're going to keep on diggin'. nice!

[silvaside]

IMO, one major faux pas on NI's part is the fact the unit does not have a buffered and isolated phono pass-through circuit on the box. This is a major problem if you're (or others before and after your set) are playing regular vinyl in a club gig.
:lol: You really have no idea do you? All that's needed to be done is to flick the channel on the mixer to phono and bam you can play vinyl, how is that a major problem? You can even disconnect the Audio 8 and nothing would happen to the sound coming out.

[archietech]

there are rumours on the internets

:lol:

[johnjay]

:lol: You really have no idea do you? All that's needed to be done is to flick the channel on the mixer to phono and bam you can play vinyl, how is that a major problem? You can even disconnect the Audio 8 and nothing would happen to the sound coming out.



what i think his trying to say

is that yes you can do that, but a dj using vinyl will still need a laptop with the traktor program running, so a dj who plays just straight vinyl or cd will have to either bring a laptop with them or wil have to take the rcas out of the decks or cdj and plug back into a mixer

whereas with serato if it was set up in a professional booth you can something extra that lets you switch to phono and not have to have the program running at the same time

turntabletech is that right? unless you want every dj to bring a laptop with them just so 1 or 2 djs can use traktor, i dont see it being used in clubs

taken from page 3 of serato manual

"Connect a 9VDC external poower supply (not included) to the SL 1 to power the THRU channels when USB power is not present. This allows you to ploay vinyl (or cds) when the laptop is not present, useful for permanent installaions or using more than one laptop. The power supply must be 9 volts DC, 300 mA minimum using a P6-type barrel plug"

how do you do this and is this costly? this is the reason why i am selling serato as I hate having to take turn my laptop on and open serat etc etc when i just want to hear one record

[Bracko]

you don't need the laptop running traktor, plugged into the soundcard or even on.

when you get the traktor cables you will see there's female and 2x male connections on one end then a single set of male RCA connections on the other end (with a multicore connection in the middle, but that's irrevelent to the discussion)

one male = mixer
1x male = player
1 x female = the cable that was connected to the player.

this means that when you finish your set you can just leave the traktor cable there and switch the mixer back to phono.

thus if every club installed traktor cables they wouldn't have to do anything to accomodate traktor users or normal users.

[TurntableTech]

you don't need the laptop running traktor, plugged into the soundcard or even on.

when you get the traktor cables you will see there's female and 2x male connections on one end then a single set of male RCA connections on the other end (with a multicore connection in the middle, but that's irrevelent to the discussion)

one male = mixer
1x male = player
1 x female = the cable that was connected to the player.

this means that when you finish your set you can just leave the traktor cable there and switch the mixer back to phono.

thus if every club installed traktor cables they wouldn't have to do anything to accomodate traktor users or normal users.

You mean the splitting of the signal cable prior to it reaching a preamp or any buffer of any sort??? Like this...

http://www.native-instruments.com/uploads/pics/ts_setup_03.jpg

That isn't very smart engineering practice and will degrade the already low signal coming from the phono cartridge not to mention causing impedance mismatch.

Splitting line level audio signal isn't very smart, that's why audio D/A's exist. Splitting a phono signal is sheer stupidity. Wait for the list of problems that occur with this method in different setup environments.

So how many of you actually play out with this?

[TurntableTech]

what i think his trying to say

is that yes you can do that, but a dj using vinyl will still need a laptop with the traktor program running, so a dj who plays just straight vinyl or cd will have to either bring a laptop with them or wil have to take the rcas out of the decks or cdj and plug back into a mixer

whereas with serato if it was set up in a professional booth you can something extra that lets you switch to phono and not have to have the program running at the same time

turntabletech is that right? unless you want every dj to bring a laptop with them just so 1 or 2 djs can use traktor, i dont see it being used in clubs

taken from page 3 of serato manual

"Connect a 9VDC external poower supply (not included) to the SL 1 to power the THRU channels when USB power is not present. This allows you to ploay vinyl (or cds) when the laptop is not present, useful for permanent installaions or using more than one laptop. The power supply must be 9 volts DC, 300 mA minimum using a P6-type barrel plug"

how do you do this and is this costly? this is the reason why i am selling serato as I hate having to take turn my laptop on and open serat etc etc when i just want to hear one record

It's easy to do. Paddington Inn has Scratch Live built into the DJ console as does the Albion Hotel too with a USB socket on the console to plug your laptop in.

All you need is a compact 9VDC Switchmode AC Adaptor from Jaycar and you're sorted.

I haven't seen Traktor used out in clubs. Every club hip hop DJ I know in Sydney uses Scratch Live. Moto, Samrai, Nino Brown, Eko, Stanley, Normz, G-Wizard and I could name every other DJ. Every single one uses it as it's by far the best in the vinyl manipulation stakes.

[Bracko]

time in the market dictates that you're going to see live out more than traktor.

how long was live out before it was picked up by said artists.

[johnjay]

45 KING > The King of the Beats

?UESTLOVE > The Roots drummer and DJ

A-SIDES > D&B Producer & DJ

A-TRAK > DMC, ITF and Vestax Champ

AFRIKA BAMBAATAA > Zulu Nation, Planet Rock

AKUFEN > Does things his way

ALLAN BANFORD > DJ / Producer / Remixer

BASE FM > Auckland Aotearoa, 107.3FM - Coming Soon!

BEAT JUNKIES > International beat phenomenon

BENI G > Mixologists

BJOERN WILKE > Level Non Zero Records

BONOBO > It came from the sea

BOOZOO BAJOU > Dust My Broom - Coming Soon!

CUT KILLER > Pioneer of the French hip hop movement

CUTCANNIBALZ > Beatwars and Da Kid

DAMON WILD > Rave Generator!

DAVE TARRIDA > Sativae Records

DIPLO > Renaissance Man meets Bart Simpson down South

DJ AM > The US Entertainment Industry's Premier DJ

DJ BIJAL > Mr Everywhere

DJ BIZNIZZ > The En4cers!

DJ BOMBASTICO > Ghosttown DJs

DJ CXL > 2003 NZ DMC Champion - Coming Soon!

DJ DEBONAIR > Producer - Arena Rocking DJ - Coming Soon!

DJ EMPRESS > - Coming Soon!

DJ ENFERNO > Live Remix Project

DJ FLAME > Freesouls co-founder and Indonesian Club DJ

DJ GERO > Double French DMC Champion - Coming Soon!

DJ KAI > Rising star of the New York house scene

DJ LEN SWANN > Tech Mob, Revolution champ

DJ MARKY > Innerground Records from Brazil

DJ POGO > One of the UK¹s top turntablists - Coming Soon!

DJ POISON IVY > Queen Of Dirty South

DJ RECTANGLE > DMC Champ, battle record master - Coming Soon!

DJ RIZ > One half of Crooklyn Clan

DJ ROCKID > 5 x Dutch DMC champ

DJ SHORTEE > 'Queen of the Scratch World' - DJ Times

DJ SHORTY > - Coming Soon!

DJ SKRIBBLE > Diversify your soul - Coming Soon!

DJ SOLOMON > DJ for the Golden State Warriors

DJ SPINBAD > Technical master

DJ SPINNA > Producer, DJ, Remixer

DJ SWIFT > French DMC Finalist - Coming Soon!

DJ TOMEKK > Tomasz Kuklicz

DJ VADIM > The Art of Listening

DJ VAJRA > 4 Time DMC USA Finalist. 2002 WSTC world champion

DJ WOODY > 2X World Champ

DJ YODA > No ordinary scratch DJ

DUBFIRE > Grammy winner, one half of Deep Dish

EVIL EDDIE RICHARDS > Britan's godfather of house and techno

FELIX DA HOUSECAT > One of the most creative artists in music today - Coming Soon!

G SPA > Gansevoort Spa & Lounge - Coming Soon!

GROOVERIDER > - Coming Soon!

HAUL & MASON > Four turntable beatdown

HEIKO LAUX > Kanzleramt Records

IG CULTURE > New Sector Movements

JAY DABHI > "Mumbai after dark"

JAZZY JAY > Def Jam founder, DMC DJ Hall of Fame

JAZZY JEFF > The Magnificent

JEFF MILLIGAN > Minimal Techno Producer

JEREMY P CAULFIELD > Dumb-Unit

JOHN TEJADA > Prolific Techno & House Producer

JUNIOR SANCHEZ > DJ/Producer/Remixer

K-N-S > Founder of Diwrek Hit Entertainment

KID FRESH > Lordz of Fitness

KILMORE > Incubus - Coming Soon!

KING BRITT > Vibrationoligist - Coming Soon!

KLUTE > Drum & Bass producer extraordinaire

KUTMASTA KURT > Dr. Dooom

L.E.S. > DJ / Producer - Nas's DJ

LAX > The engine-hot destination for LA's social jet-set - Coming Soon!

LOTUS > New York City Nightlife Staple - Coming Soon!

MAKOTO > Good Looking, Human Elements

MARCO PASSARANI > the Finalfrontier

MARK DE CLIVE-LOWE > Broken-Beat Producer

MARTYN > Get the funk down

MAX GRAHAM > Producer, Composer, DJ

MISSILL > DJ/Graffiti Writer/Producer

MIXMASTER MIKE > Beastie Boys - Coming Soon!

MONK > Halluci-nation

NEIL ARMSTRONG > 5th Platoon

OLLIE TEEBA > The Herbaliser

PEANUT BUTTER WOLF > Stones Throw Records

PLASTICIAN > Terrorhythm Recordings

POWER 106 FM > The #1 Radio Station in the USA for Hip Hop & R&B - Coming Soon!

PRINCE PAUL > Legendary Hip Hop Producer

QUANTIC > Tru Thoughts Records

RINSE FM > Pirate Radio - Coming Soon!

RISING SUN AND 4:20 > 373 Karangahape Road – Auckland City - Coming Soon!

ROB SWIFT > X-ecutioner, DMC East Coast champion

RONI SIZE > Mercury Award Winner - Coming Soon!

SAM ROUANET > a.k.a. Reynold - Coming Soon!

SASHA > One of the World's Best DJs

SCRAPE TACTICIANS > DJ / Turntablizm Crew

SHAWN TULSI > A mish-mash of funky house and dark disco - Coming Soon!

SIR-VERE > The face of NZ Hip Hop

STRICTLY KEV > The public face of DJ Food

THE NEXTMEN > Motherf**king International Superstar DeeJays

TRESOR CLUB > Legendary German Techno Club

YES KING > Adams.Rae.Productions - Coming Soon!

Z-TRIP > Party-rocking DJ - Coming Soon!

now djs not on the list i have seen use them

kevin yost
brian jones
jeff milligan
countless around melbourne



serato just has the name, brand, proper marketin, suppourt and it does the job

[johnjay]

i just do not see why some clubs have like 10 cdj 1000's but do not install serato or traktor its like 800 dollars

think of it like this, taking your laptop to a gig only, and, if it screws up it is not your fault but the clubs. whereas if you take it out you have to fuk around with wires, calibrate it, and while you are doing all this crap, you have to continue the track from the other dj and continue mixing from one deck while your screwing around with the other. And then when you have finished, every second hoping it has not crashed, you have to take the rcas out again so the other dj can continue without any silence occuring

[silvaside]

Every single one uses it as it's by far the best in the vinyl manipulation stakes.
:lol: Get your hand off it, they use it because it's been out forever and CBF moving to traktor. If I had bought serato ages ago I wouldn't bother with traktor since the difference wouldn't be enough to warrant the cost of crossing over.

http://www.skratchworx.com/reviews/traktorscratch.php

[mike_jaye]

Pretty sure when I saw Diplo after Good Vibes a few years ago he was using Final Scratch, maybe like Hawtin he switched to Serato? Actually I heard Richie Hawtin still uses both.

[johnjay]

oh yeh add all those detroic techno djs to the list as well

[ChAbIb]

i duno y you guys keep saying you dont even have to touch ur laptop with traktor because you dont even have to touch your laptop with serato either. you can search through the songs using your vinyl or flip the vinyl and it'll play the next song.

[ekwipt]

Although it's much easier with the shift arrow key

[archietech]

quality chime chabib. and good work on taking the time to read the thread :thumb: although i suppose it's a lot more efficient to just read one or two posts then post. ~*~grazt~*~

in other news i just took a pic of a couple of dudes posting on the TS subject:

http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/13518270/blind%20leading.jpg

[noiser]

i'm looking at getting Ms Pinky, does anyone here use it? it seems really cheap, but also quite powerful and as you supply your own hardware it seems like hardware quality wouldn't be an issue. anyone know much about this software?

[ac1d3o3]

ive got ms pinky. whilst its cheap and effective, its not always the best solution. If you already have a true 4x4 sound card, then its a great buy. If you dont have a 4x4 sound card, then get something like torq if your on a budget or Tracktor Scratch if you dont.

Ms Pinky has a shit ugly gui but if all you wanna do is play tunes w/ not too many bells and whistles then its great. Easy to set up and cheap.

[Bracko]

You mean the splitting of the signal cable prior to it reaching a preamp or any buffer of any sort??? Like this...



That isn't very smart engineering practice and will degrade the already low signal coming from the phono cartridge not to mention causing impedance mismatch.

Splitting line level audio signal isn't very smart, that's why audio D/A's exist. Splitting a phono signal is sheer stupidity. Wait for the list of problems that occur with this method in different setup environments.

So how many of you actually play out with this?

meh, I've used it in a few places so far with substandard setups and it's no worse/better than vinyl or the denon rack mount.

[combfilter]

wow the waa waa sisterhood really came out in this thread hey

[andreas]

Hey I havent had one problem or freeze with mine since buying. I will concede thats only about
10 hours use at the moment but will keep reporting back as the hours increase.

[Joules]

You mean the splitting of the signal cable prior to it reaching a preamp or any buffer of any sort??? Like this...

http://www.native-instruments.com/uploads/pics/ts_setup_03.jpg

That isn't very smart engineering practice and will degrade the already low signal coming from the phono cartridge not to mention causing impedance mismatch.

Splitting line level audio signal isn't very smart, that's why audio D/A's exist. Splitting a phono signal is sheer stupidity. Wait for the list of problems that occur with this method in different setup environments.

So how many of you actually play out with this?


Im just looking into it all, so i dont pretend to know anything about either platforms.

Now I hear what ur saying, but according to that review on scratchworks....

Oh wait - Y cables... don't they make for a weak signal? Ordinarily maybe but NI have designed the whole system so that in vinyl mode, the Audio8 Dj switches up resistance so that the phono signal isn't weakened. And when switching between line and phono, the signal diverts before even reaching the interface so it's a direct connection rather than up the cable, into the Audio8 DJ and back again. And it's all patent pending as it's mightily clever stuff

I presume this is in reference to what ur talking about? Would be pretty good if it does indeed work....

[Joules]

Wow...$600 new 4 Traktor Scratch off ebay if ur a teacher or student, as the guys an apple reseller.

Does this mean u can use it on a PC too for that price?

How does the soundcard go with other applications...would it give me no fuss asio low latency with Ableton (if Im not running Traktor) on a C2Duo 2Ghz?

[Joules]

btw, does it run properly in Vista?
Luckily Ive got dual boot, but still keen to see if its supported.

[silvaside]

Does this mean u can use it on a PC too for that price?

How does the soundcard go with other applications...would it give me no fuss asio low latency with Ableton (if Im not running Traktor) on a C2Duo 2Ghz?
Yer it will work on both pc/mac, all the software is included.

Works fine with ableton. I can get around 2ms input and 2ms output latency.

[DJSketch]

traktor wins, have always used it ( since 2, 1 was meh)

serato is good, but too basic for me.

i run ableton and traktor on the same laptop at every gig, 2 or 3in a weekend andnever have any issues at all, (except when i forgot the firewire cable at ambar on friday after 2 other gigs, whoops.)

[Joules]

Well i bought myself Traktor Scratch on the weekend, and I must say I already have mixed feelings.

Indeed, it has a lot of bells n whistles.
And saved me a fortune considering i needed a decent soundcard more than a mvs.
But the instant I start to move the record fairly slowly, the audio is fkn hopeless, or non-existant. Turning off the key lock helps a bit it seems, but not much. I was lead to believe (but its my fault for believing it without having the patience to see for myself) that Traktor Scratch now had the edge in the vinyl manipulation stakes. And whilst its stil pretty darned good for mixing etc (or scratching at higher speeds), i was a little dissapointed....

Still, this could b a problem with mvs's in general (or maybe i need a louder cart or somethin?). How does Serato hold up when u move the platter slowly?


Not a fan of the big kerchunk comin from the DJ8 when a proggie opens the soundcard n stuff either.


Oh, and I cant believe they dont include the USB cable! I was all ready for my toy and almost didnt make the shops intime to buy one to test it on the weekend.

[Bracko]

i have no problem with it.

sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me.

[Joules]

oh, and now my PC hangs when i try and shut down windows.
but that may (or may not) be totally unrelated.

[Joules]

i have no problem with it.

sounds like a PEBCAK issue to me.


fantastic.
what, where, when or who is pebcak?

[littlebrains69]

In my experience Serato has no such problems. (I've used it on both a macbook or a macbook pro)

[Bracko]

google it :lol:

[saad]

My TS came with the USB cable...

[Bracko]

It's easy to do. Paddington Inn has Scratch Live built into the DJ console as does the Albion Hotel too with a USB socket on the console to plug your laptop in.


cause fuck know's they're on the world DJ circuit....

[ekwipt]

http://www.rane.com/nikepromo.gif

TS is shit, Serato have their own Nikes

[Bracko]

:lol: im waiting for a DVS to come bundled with their own branded to the shit laptop, I'm surprised it isn't already out.

[littlebrains69]

:thumb: That serato / nike pack is rad. I'd buy i

[ekwipt]

Freesssh....

[andreas]

Yeah Joules mine came with a USB & works fine moving the platter at lower speeds.

What is the latency set to?
What are the PC specs your running & is the computer working overly hard?

Guess you wont need to pop around & check it out.. Couldnt wait hey..

[Pro Tool]

fantastic.
what, where, when or who is pebcak?
Heya Joules - make sure that you've got the latest update from the NI website - it fixed some glitches that were happening on some systems when keylocking/moving the record slow. Particularly on newer macs. Also I question the no USB cable thing? You should have got one in the box.......

But yes - and any other TS users - check the updates and make sure you're up with them.

[andreas]

I have been playing a bit with mine now & love it. Really does work a treat..

Havent had one prob. (touch wood).

[DJ Fusion]

That Serato Nike shit is some fly shit mofos! I want it!!

[Pro Tool]

Pretty cool looking package - but sweatshop kitsch?

[johnjay]

that packagae is some fine marketing

see to me i dont think traktor can ever have that whole hip image

it looks too nerdy

p.s i sold serato

[archietech]

the most important thing about being a dj is to look cool. it's the reason i love mucking around with music and the reason i got all my business cards made up. as soon as i saw that serato pack i sold my TS to a mate and have ordered that pack. can't wait to rock around in that clobber

[johnjay]

dont only mobile djs have business cards?

[entropy1]

as soon as i saw that serato pack i sold my TS to a mate and have ordered that pack. can't wait to rock around in that clobber

http://www.scratchlive.net/forum/discussion/?discussion_id=55963#new

2nd last line

"Unfortunately, none of these packages are available for purchase."

[Pro Tool]

have that whole hip image

Works for you eh JJ? How bout you just back slowly away. Actually, go for quickly.

Remember your pleases and thankses next time and you might just find yourself less obsessed with the finer points of each product and instead just playing some music like god intended.

[Bracko]

:lol:

[Joules]

Heya Joules - make sure that you've got the latest update from the NI website - it fixed some glitches that were happening on some systems when keylocking/moving the record slow. Particularly on newer macs. Also I question the no USB cable thing? You should have got one in the box.......

But yes - and any other TS users - check the updates and make sure you're up with them.


Yeah, I got one of the student promo packs, and have to send off for my activation number, so until then Im stuck with demo mode and v 1.0.030


Anywayz, im probably splittin hairs. It works pretty damn well, and im lovin it.
Im fairly sure id b sayin the same if I had serato too though.

Seriously, playin mp3s with vinyl is like, well, what an incredibly awesm fcking idea!! Up there with the modem imho (using a phone line to send electronic messages, woohoo! I still remember flickin the switch to data mode and loggin onto my first bbs on my dads 300baud brick from work) Who woulda thought it would work so well, or at all!!



And no Andreas, I couldnt wait!! Patience has never been one of my strong points. :lol:

[Random_Kiwi]

Does anyone have a setup which uses the Serato timecoded vinyl, but not the rest of the package?
Like xwax or djdecks etc?

Obviously you need a soundcard to handle you inputs/outputs and what not, but then you have a good sound card which works for more fucntions than just the in/out/thru of the Serato box.

Seems to be a much cheaper, and more functional, option than Serato...just not sure about reliability...anyone in the know of these types of setups?

[oliosky]

I trialled deckadance with torq TCVs and my BCD as a soundcard. Needless to say I will now be looking to purchase a proper commercial package, i found it VERY inconsistent and laggy...

[Random_Kiwi]

Cool - kinda what I was worried about too. Any other opinions greatly appreciated.

[Pro Tool]

For those who are students (or have a mate........) there is a Traktor Scratch Educational version too. Same product - EDU pricing.

[oliosky]

:lol: What "educational" purpose does traktor scratch serve?

[Pro Tool]

That's a pretty good question.... I dunno. But there are EDU prices for most software - all NI stuff included. I spose it just allows students to get the stuff at a reduced price. Same as MS Office. One's for work, the other for play. Admittedly they do regard creative passtimes a little differently in Germany where being a state-sponsored artist is a whole lot more realistic than here in Australistan.

[ac1d3o3]

I have ms pinky and use it w/ my korg zero4 as my soundcard.
Works perfectly. Have no qualms about it.
Sound quality is ace. No lag. No artifacts.
Its a good package if you have it set up correctly.
It has crashed a few times and some mp3s dont work,
but you cant really complain for $160.

Whats the EDU price on Tracktor Scratch?

[ac1d3o3]

I trialled deckadance with torq TCVs and my BCD as a soundcard. Needless to say I will now be looking to purchase a proper commercial package, i found it VERY inconsistent and laggy...

Id say that your BCD was the problem there.
You have to have a pretty good soundcard to get some decent output.
My m-audio fast track pro sucked w/ ms pinky.
Using my friends Firebox was awesome, and im now using my Korg Zero4.
Which is awesomeness as well.

[oliosky]

I don't think the vinyl control in deckadance is all that great either TBH. Maybe they have improved things after version 1.10...

[ekwipt]

I've used Dj Decks, but it's no Serato Scratch when using timecoded vinyl.

I'd say if you want to use timecoded vinyl use either Serato scratch or NI Traktor Scratch

[Joules]

well arent i a silly boy.

I must say that I was rather dissapointed when i found the Audio 8DJ/TS only seemed to support 2 CDs at once OR 2 TT, not 1 of each (which is what Im currently running).
But I soon forgot as I discovered I could get it working anywayz when on CD mode.......


Naturally, this means the signal isnt boosted, resulting in crappy playback when moving the record slowly, further resulting in me lookn like the impatient n00b that I am (or hopefully was).


Luckily I have 2 1200s spare!! One has no on/off swithch (gettin fixed now), and the other needs a stepdown xformer.
arrgghh, more patience.

[ekwipt]

Traktor 3.3 update for TS users

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?shopdetail&prid=927

[ChAbIb]

anyone hear about 1.8 in serato MIDI AND VIDEO! i cant wait!!

[palaeo-tech]

Traktor 3.3 update for TS users

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?shopdetail&prid=927

The be all and end all of virtual vinyl systems . . . . if you've got a crazy fast laptop to use it comfortably at low latencies. (Mines getting old :~()

[oliosky]

anyone hear about 1.8 in serato MIDI AND VIDEO! i cant wait!!

No video AFAIK

[ekwipt]

Serato Scratch just came out with a 1.8 beta

New Features:

MIDI Input
Scratch LIVE now supports MIDI input, so that you can control the software with a 3rd party MIDI device.

Great if you don't own the TTM57

Off-line player
You can now play tracks without hardware connected. Set up crates, cue points, make loops etc from the comfort of your lounge chair.

About time

Auto-looping
Create loops of preset length on the fly.

They've had this for a while as an easter egg hidden button combo,but finally released

New Relative mode options
New needle dropping in Relative mode and needle drop to cue points options.

Great improvements

AAC support
AAC files are now supported in Scratch LIVE.

Nice if you ahev a mac or download from the itunes

New TTM 57SL effects
HP Echo and HP Hold Echo (Bass cut versions of the existing effects), phaser, flanger and a bit crusher.

Relocate lost files
Move stuff around on your drive, without stuffing up your library.

YAY

Autobackup
Once a week your Scratch LIVE folder is automatically backed up.

Nice

Tabbed setup screen
A redesign of the setup screen with options under separate tabs.

Housecleaning

[ChAbIb]

what happened to the video. i went to a promotion thing for scratch live a few days ago and the inventer and manager was there and they said it was coming out with video and all the other little bits and pieces.

[Music_Pirate]

I was/am still close to buying Serato, but after doing a quick mix in Traktor 3 on my laptop (with my touch pad ofcourse) I like it... but just a few quick questions

1. Would everyone agree its easier to beat match in SSL as you can see the tempo's and then you have the types of beats next to each other? (Yes I know there is an auto beat-match in Traktor but thats cheating!) Or would one have to just play with the pitch control to get the BPM's the same from viewing them on the laptop?

2. With the effects available in Traktor, they can only be used via laptop right? (unless you buy an external controller)?

3. Which is quicker to setup (as in software/drivers and everything are already setup, like plugging it in hot at a gig)

4. Where can I get Edu discount on Traktor, is it any store that sells it?


Cheers,

Jason

[ekwipt]

what happened to the video. i went to a promotion thing for scratch live a few days ago and the inventer and manager was there and they said it was coming out with video and all the other little bits and pieces.

It's coming, I think they will do a quick beta test of 1.8 then release video and 1.8 together

[kwanlokchum]

Hello Jason

The Traktor Edu discount is on ebay use the search engine and paste this words "Traktor Scratch"

Cheers,
Michael

I was/am still close to buying Serato, but after doing a quick mix in Traktor 3 on my laptop (with my touch pad ofcourse) I like it... but just a few quick questions

1. Would everyone agree its easier to beat match in SSL as you can see the tempo's and then you have the types of beats next to each other? (Yes I know there is an auto beat-match in Traktor but thats cheating!) Or would one have to just play with the pitch control to get the BPM's the same from viewing them on the laptop?

2. With the effects available in Traktor, they can only be used via laptop right? (unless you buy an external controller)?

3. Which is quicker to setup (as in software/drivers and everything are already setup, like plugging it in hot at a gig)

4. Where can I get Edu discount on Traktor, is it any store that sells it?


Cheers,

Jason

[silvaside]

I was/am still close to buying Serato, but after doing a quick mix in Traktor 3 on my laptop (with my touch pad ofcourse) I like it... but just a few quick questions

1. Would everyone agree its easier to beat match in SSL as you can see the tempo's and then you have the types of beats next to each other? (Yes I know there is an auto beat-match in Traktor but thats cheating!) Or would one have to just play with the pitch control to get the BPM's the same from viewing them on the laptop?

2. With the effects available in Traktor, they can only be used via laptop right? (unless you buy an external controller)?

3. Which is quicker to setup (as in software/drivers and everything are already setup, like plugging it in hot at a gig)

4. Where can I get Edu discount on Traktor, is it any store that sells it?
1. :lol: "cheating" like looking at the waveforms/beats is not a form of cheating in itself? if matching two flashing lights flashing in time gives you satisfaction then that's great. In the current traktor scratch you can't auto beatmatch anyway, however you can adjust the phase but its not real smooth. I believe in T3.3 you can auto though.

2.Traktors in-built effects can be used via family pets

3.Probably the same? You just plug some cables in and it's ready. Not sure about Serato's vinyl calibration though? Traktor auto-calibrates

4.Discount would be from a mac store i suppose? google it.

[ChAbIb]

wat would be a good midi device to control serato scratch with. just want to use all the hot cues and looping and things

[ekwipt]

MPD16 or trigger finger would be the cheapest

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/images/products/1164.jpg

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/images/products/861.jpg

The novation Remote SL Zero would be nice and fit underneat or above most four channel dj mixershttp://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/NOVATION_REMOTE_ZERO_SL.jpg

http://www.storedj.com.au/products/images/products/1536.jpg

Could be cool?

[ChAbIb]

cool yea they all look cool

[Music_Pirate]

1. :lol: "cheating" like looking at the waveforms/beats is not a form of cheating in itself? if matching two flashing lights flashing in time gives you satisfaction then that's great. In the current traktor scratch you can't auto beatmatch anyway, however you can adjust the phase but its not real smooth. I believe in T3.3 you can auto though.

2.Traktors in-built effects can be used via family pets

3.Probably the same? You just plug some cables in and it's ready. Not sure about Serato's vinyl calibration though? Traktor auto-calibrates

4.Discount would be from a mac store i suppose? google it.


Thanks for the reply :)

In regards to the discount, I can't find it on the apple site :S Any one else with luck? If I buy it off ebay then I won't get warranty with the item i presume :(

[Pro Tool]

You can get an education discount through any NI dealer... Try a local store - you in Perth? Cosmik?

[Music_Pirate]

Yeah I will ring Kosmic tomorrow, DJ Store said they won't honor the student discount :S

[TurntableTech]

cool yea they all look cool

Korg padKontrol looks cooler, it has pretty lights!

http://www.youtube.com/v/2wuqzbW-qqw

[archietech]

anyone have traktor scratch routed through ableton and synch'd?

[OZilla]

Ok I have ordered Traktor & a new mac lappy and now have the monumental task of
ripping all my vinyl to my computer.

Any one have any tips & tricks for this?

At the moment I have a xitel http://www.spankrecords.com.au/stock/djgear/djGearDetail.asp?id=10559
at the moment which I will probably use for the task.
get some whizz :thumb:

[archietech]

anyone have traktor scratch routed through ableton and synch'd?

i do!!!