Question about sound quality on mixers

[oneandone]

Hey guys had a quick search but couldnt find an answer for my question so decided to start a new thread.

Im in the market for some CDJ1000s and a mixer, considering im buying the 1000s brand new i dont have much to spend on a mixer probably 800 max now the stuff in my price range is
Vestax vmc002xl/185xl/004xl/004fx
numark dxm06/09
djm600 2nd hand

im finding it difficult to pick up a djm600 so im moving towards the others but i have heard from a few stores that they are really poor sounding mixers. what do you guys think especially those who have any of them and are there any others people recommend. Im not into scratching and im not fussed either way about effects.

i have been told about the ecler nuo2 and nuo 3 but dont know much about them or most other mixers?


cheers
oneandone

[Garthyboy]

DMXO6 is 299 at storedj.com.au

I'd grab that for that price.....i don't think you will get a better mixer at a very cheap price

I mean even if you use it for 6 months....then sell it for 100 bucks when you upgrade....thats like 33 bucks a month

[oliosky]

Get an Ecler Nuo 3. Best build and sound quality out of the ones you've listed and can be had for 800ish, especially if you are picking 2 CDJ1000s from the same place.

[littlebrains69]

DMXO6 is 299 at storedj.com.au

I'd grab that for that price.....i don't think you will get a better mixer at a very cheap price

I mean even if you use it for 6 months....then sell it for 100 bucks when you upgrade....thats like 33 bucks a month


And you'll sell it for more then $100.... I sold mine for close that new price only a few months ago ^^^

[plan-b]

djm400 out of the question:?

[oneandone]

one of my mates has told me to stay away from the djm400 he said the sound quality is not very good compared to a 600 or an 800 but its always a possibility i guess.

[oneandone]

DMXO6 is 299 at storedj.com.au

I'd grab that for that price.....i don't think you will get a better mixer at a very cheap price

I mean even if you use it for 6 months....then sell it for 100 bucks when you upgrade....thats like 33 bucks a month
yeah saw that on their site my mate has his one lying around because he upgraded to a djm600 but to be honest i dont rate it.

[oneandone]

Get an Ecler Nuo 3. Best build and sound quality out of the ones you've listed and can be had for 800ish, especially if you are picking 2 CDJ1000s from the same place.
dont know much about these, never used one so im a bit iffy on em.

[Gruso]

Hate to be the first Pioneer hater in the thread, but if you're after sound quality forget the DJM400/600. Take an Ecler for a test drive if you can, as Oliosky said, best build & sound quality in your price range.

Props by the way, for putting sound quality before fx/pretty features/other superfluous shit. :thumb:

[oneandone]

Hate to be the first Pioneer hater in the thread, but if you're after sound quality forget the DJM400/600. Take an Ecler for a test drive if you can, as Oliosky said, best build & sound quality in your price range.

Props by the way, for putting sound quality before fx/pretty features/other superfluous shit. :thumb:
hahaha thanks mate. i dont mind to sacrifice a bit of sound quality for the djm600 for club familiarity purposes seen as though the 600 and 800 are similar layout wise because as much as it may get said my aim is to play in clubs.

effects annoy me to be honest but its also can be fun sometimes so im not fussed but my main priorities are sound quality and well laid out.

[Gruso]

Yeah, fx and other features are all good of course, but when you're on a budget you might as well go for the best quality you can. Once you're gigging, you'll find that you quickly adapt to the million types of mixer out there - especially if you keep it simple with your home mixer.

[plan-b]

Hate to be the first Pioneer hater in the thread, but if you're after sound quality forget the DJM400/600.

400's aren't that bad... 600's are still a POS though

[plan-b]

Yeah, fx and other features are all good of course, but when you're on a budget you might as well go for the best quality you can. Once you're gigging, you'll find that you quickly adapt to the million types of mixer out there - especially if you keep it simple with your home mixer.
I agree... also less tempting to go overboard on the filters n shit like that as well...

[oneandone]

so i take it the ecler nuo3 is no1 on everyones list in that price range

[littlebrains69]

I may also point out that for bedroom bangin' purposes the 'sound quality' of a mixer is redundant because your not going to be playing on a decent enough system to notice it.

[frankinfx]

What about an A & H Xone 32?? can pick em up second hand for $800 or so...

[plan-b]

I may also point out that for bedroom bangin' purposes the 'sound quality' of a mixer is redundant because your not going to be playing on a decent enough system to notice it.
I disagree... I like my fine quality audio at home (I just don't have the cash to show it :P... When I go visit my dad on the other hand)

What about an A & H Xone 32?? can pick em up second hand for $800 or so...

Never played on one, but played on a Xone92 and Xone62 a few times and they're both fucking weapons (I'm an A&H fan boy though :P

[kasper_flip]

I may also point out that for bedroom bangin' purposes the 'sound quality' of a mixer is redundant because your not going to be playing on a decent enough system to notice it.

thats what i was thinking. i picked up a dxm09 for real cheap and it sounds fine on my $1500 home theatre rig

[oneandone]

What about an A & H Xone 32?? can pick em up second hand for $800 or so...
its more of a scratch mixer, good for what it is but doesnt serve my purpose.


so what is everyones opinion of the vestax vmc range. like i mentioned in my first post i have leaned towards them due to the difficult in finding and a djm in my price range but have been told that they're really poor in the sound dept and have super stiff faders which personally i dont think ide have an issue with.

[oliosky]

A Xone 32 isn't a scratch mixer

http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/ALLENHEATH_Xone32_1.jpg

[oneandone]

A Xone 32 isn't a scratch mixer

http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/catalog/images/ALLENHEATH_Xone32_1.jpg
one of the guys at pro light and sound in melbourne told me it was a scratch mixer but then again im not sure. at the end of the day they are extremely rare to find on the second hand market.

[plan-b]

one of the guys at pro light and sound in melbourne told me it was a scratch mixer but then again im not sure. at the end of the day they are extremely rare to find on the second hand market.
He was wrong :P

[oneandone]

He was wrong :P
fair enough

[Bracko]

nuo 2 or 3 is a GREAT choice. they are designed by a spanish company that hafe solid experience in the sound industry.

poo-in-eer 600..... please stay away from this mixer. the world has moved on, so should you.

vestax 185 is a great choice as well, but for the same price i'd be getting a nuo 3 if they're within $150.

[ChAbIb]

^^ +1 especially on the poo-in-eer comment :p

[oneandone]

hmmmmm interesting. im a little unsure about them still, ive only heard of them in the last couple of days so im a bit iffy on forking out the cash. the other thing im taking into consideration is resale value to be honest.

[oliosky]

Go and play on a Nuo3 at storeDJ. They are seriously good mixers.

[andreas]

Nuo 3 is circa 900 at spank whilst the 2 is 600

however

think there is an ebay seller from Queensland cheap. Some store in the valley?

EDIT: Oh yeah go with the Ecler hands down.

[Funkedub]

WTF is a "scratch mixer"

[Bumpy]

A mixer that is built for scartching?

[Funkedub]

A mixer that is built for scartching?


meaning ?

[KuRuPTeD]

layout of fader ie. ecler HAK series, crossfader curves etc etc

[pomrocks]

Vestax vmc002xl/185xl/004xl/004fx
numark dxm06/09
djm600 2nd hand


i have been told about the ecler nuo2 and nuo 3 but dont know much about them or most other mixers?




the vestax vmc mixers are pretty good, sound is good for the money, only complaint is the eq knobs are VERY stiff and slippery espec when you have sweaty fingers.

ecler for usability and sound quality cant be beaten for the price

[plan-b]

ecler for usability and sound quality cant be beaten for the price

word

[Funkedub]

layout of fader ie. ecler HAK series, crossfader curves etc etc

based on that definition i'd call the Xone 32 a "scratch mixer"

sounds like a gayass marketing term if you ask me ... the master scratch mixer being this beast ...

http://turntablism.com.au/images/ex1200-742112.jpg

[Bumpy]

[QUOTE=Funkedub]

sounds like a gayass marketing term if you ask me ... [QUOTE]

just like the term "Battle" Mixer yo!

[oliosky]

I reckon theres a marked between a "scratch" mixer and more general purpose mixer like the Xone 32.

Keeping within brand, the Xone 02 for instance - fader curve adjustment on all faders, open design around faders, high quality durable moving parts, slider EQ. Still can mix on it though huh ;)

http://ttu.s33.xrea.com/equip/mixer4/xone02_SW.jpg

[jova]

Yo dude i'm kinda in the same boat as you. I'm buying 2 CDJ1000's and wanna spend under $600 on a mixer. The one i've decided on is the Numark DXM09 ... u can get it from Discoworld in Lilydale for $599... BARGAIN !
Everyone who's got one recommends them, all i've heard is good things from them. Gonna pick mine up this weekend :D

[gamblore]

have super stiff faders which personally i dont think ide have an issue with.

Most faders loosen up with use. Most of them are going to be stiff if they are new.

I may also point out that for bedroom bangin' purposes the 'sound quality' of a mixer is redundant because your not going to be playing on a decent enough system to notice it.

If he plays a little party you will notice straight away. If you record your mix you will notice as well.

[pomrocks]

anyone else find spending $1500 each on a cd player which essentially is jsut a start/stop mechanism and then spending <$600 on the tool to mix together more than a little amusing?

[gamblore]

^^^

Yeah was kinda thinking that. Got the best CDJ's money can buy then going to hook it up to a Numark mixer!?!

[Bumpy]

^^ Suonds jsut like a dork from school who thinks his some fully sick *unt. Bought 2 DN-S3500's and then says to me that cd players are more important than mixers and that mixers dont matter.

[Funkedub]

^^ Suonds jsut like a dork from school who thinks his some fully sick *unt. Bought 2 DN-S3500's and then says to me that cd players are more important than mixers and that mixers dont matter.

if he's mixing "hard stylez" that's an even bigger larff :P

[entropy1]

the master scratch mixer being this beast ...




you mean rane ttm56

anyway, you can talk djwarehouse/storedj down to about $800 for the nuo 3 btw (and they have a 3 year warranty :))

[oneandone]

well my theory is that i have a lot to learn and would like to learn on something thats bang for ya buck. upgrading is going to happen but i cant afford to go for one of the big boys. later on i will be upgrading to either a xone92 or a djm800 but for now ide like to buy an affordable decent mixer

[frankinfx]

its more of a scratch mixer, good for what it is but doesnt serve my purpose.


I got an A & H Xone32 and i'm runnin 2 x Technics 1200's off it, a DNS3000 and a CDJ100s and i can assure you, i certainly dont scratch. i play mostly breaks. I bought it brand new 3 years ago and cannot fault it. solid quality mixer :thumb:

[oneandone]

I got an A & H Xone32 and i'm runnin 2 x Technics 1200's off it, a DNS3000 and a CDJ100s and i can assure you, i certainly dont scratch. i play mostly breaks. I bought it brand new 3 years ago and cannot fault it. solid quality mixer :thumb:
out of my price range

[Spitchen]

anyone else find spending $1500 each on a cd player which essentially is jsut a start/stop mechanism and then spending <$600 on the tool to mix together more than a little amusing?

But then if you take the argument further... there's no point spending $3000 on 2 CDJs and $1500+ on a mixer if the speakers the sound is coming out are average.

The best thing I ever did at home was purchase some decent quality speakers.

[Neo_]

^^^ Exactly, you will never waste money on GOOD speakers.

[pomrocks]

But then if you take the argument further... there's no point spending $3000 on 2 CDJs and $1500+ on a mixer if the speakers the sound is coming out are average.

The best thing I ever did at home was purchase some decent quality speakers.

i was just having a laugh, its all about buying the best you can afford at the time you can afford it...

nice cheap cd 1st set up

next some reasonable monitors

then new mixer + turntables

then new cdjs & heddies

means i didnt spend way to much to start with, and end up with good gear after some experiance

[Bumpy]

Why dont you buy some CDJ-800's and a better mixer to start with?

[gamblore]

Why dont you buy some CDJ-800's and a better mixer to start with?

Smart suggestion.

OR

2nd hand 800's and a xone

OR

Denon CDJ's and a 2nd hand xone and monitors

You can do a lot with a $2500 budget.

[pomrocks]

CDJ800's and a better mixer would make a lot more sense

CDJ1000 are nice, but not all that necessary for most people. Nothing worse than being extremely comfortable on CDJ1000's then rocking up to a gig and have to play on shity dual denons!

[oneandone]

not at all interested in 800s.
i have the cash but i would rather stick to a budget so thats why im looking in that bracket.

[gamblore]

not at all interested in 800s.

Out of curiosity, what's the reason?

Just another question, is this your first setup or an upgrade?

[oneandone]

Out of curiosity, what's the reason?

Just another question, is this your first setup or an upgrade?
ive had a play with them and dont think much of them, the jog wheel is super tight and dont believe they are worth it. yes this is my first setup but i can play. i just think that even if something goes down and i need cash or i decide to give it up the resale on the 1000s is alot better and ill find it easier to get rid of them

[Peter B]

Why dont you buy some CDJ-800's and a better mixer to start with?


Personally I'd do this too.

But if you really want the 1000's I'd go with a Nuo 3

[oneandone]

Personally I'd do this too.

But if you really want the 1000's I'd go with a Nuo 3
ive decided on the nuo 2 its more than enough. ive been told that you can hook up a third channel which is run by rotary knobs instead of faders which could be a good learning experience.

[Bracko]

correct. but you only have 2 EQ's.

[oneandone]

im a hypocrite guys ended up picking up 2 800MK2 and a djm400 for an unbelievable price at dj warehouse on sat im really happy with it surprisingly obviously a bit disappointed i couldnt grab the 1000s but hey i can always upgrade later on

[Gruso]

:lol: understandable - a bargain is a bargain. You'll have no shortage of fun with that setup. Just keep the mixer levels out of the red, or your amp will pay the price. That applies to any sound equipment of course, but Pioneer mixers require extra caution. Especially when drunken mates are playing.

Anyhoo, congrats and have fun.