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TECHiONE
05-Jul-02, 12:56pm
For a long time I've been burning back-up CD's of all my sounds, samples, data, sequences, songs, programs, performances, patches etc... from/for my sampler, synths, effects, and Cubase.

I do this as often as I can, usually every few weeks, and before every live performance. Sure I end up with a pile of CD's that may not ever be needed... but last week... my most recent burnt back-up CD's saved me... big time!

The Seagate 4.5 gig SCSI hard-disc in an external box, I've been using with my sampler (and PC) for the last 4 years, which was full of all my 'TECHiONE' sounds, and live set data... started making very nasty sounds on save/load, I found it wasn't successfully saving/loading at all, then one of the 3 partitions ceased to exist, the one I was using at the time (always the way!). Things got worse when the hard-disc started to cause what ever it was connected to (sampler or PC) to lock up/crash on any save/load attempts to the SCSI hard-disc... So, yes, I think it's very dead.

I needed some form of read/write SCSI storage quickly! I was in the middle of putting together a new live set, and new tracks (for Swarm Sequence actually)... Luckily, I found a SCSI 100mb Iomega Zip drive for sale in the Trading Post, cheap too, and only a couple of suburbs away from where I live. I Picked it up, bought the SCSI cable I needed (typical SCSI where there is no one standard interface/format) from David Reid Electronics (Sydney), who always have everything that Dic.k Smith, Tandy, and various computer places never do! Picked up some 100mb Zip discs, and continued on...

I connected up the SCSI Zip drive to my PC, loaded up the stuff from the back-up CD's I needed, transfered the sounds/data from them, and some of the recent loops/sounds I'd created in software on the PC, all to a Zip disc. Also happy in the knowledege that everything else that was on the SCSI hard-disc, is backed up on burnt CD's.

I connected up the Zip drive to the sampler, loaded all the sounds, data up, and I was back in action...

Quite impressed with the speed/ease of use with the Zip drive, and discs too. I'd never used one before.

Had it not been for my back-up CD's, I would have lost a huge collection of my samples, sounds, loops and data.

Yes, it can happen to you, it happened to me...

I actually should have got a Zip drive, and been backing up my samplers sounds, data for live gigs to Zip discs as well, a long time ago. Because if I arrived at a live gig, and found my SCSI hard-disc had had this problem, I wouldn't be able to play!

I will replace my SCSI hard-disc when I have some $ and from now on will certainly be bringing the Zip drive and backed up Zip discs along too, just incase this happens again, worse case at a live gig.

A couple of other tips... when you back-up your data, send copy/s to another location regularly as well! Be prepared for the worse! eg: fire, theft, flood etc.

I also have MIDI file back-up's of all my synths, effects, patches, programs, performances as well. Just save the sysex data from your synth, effect into Cubase, and save it as a MIDI file, you never know when you might need it as well.

And... if you travel interstate with your music gear, via planes, get your external hard-drive, and/or Zip discs hand inspected, don't put them in your luggage, carry them with you, don't walk through the metal detector with them! and don't put them through the X-Ray machine, no matter how much the airport security people ask you to, and assure you it will have no effect (which it probably doesn't) but don't take the chance, because they won't be held responsible if it does, and you won't be very happy!

Hope this helps someone!

Cheers Dave TECHiONE

hpstekno
05-Jul-02, 01:02pm
word to that i've just got a scsi zip on order now coz my hard disc is starting to get read write errors so i'm not using it untill the zip arrives:)

zip drives are a much better idea to take live than hard discs also hdd's are way to fragile to be transported regularly

and yes back up everything as futile as it semms you'll be praising the gods when ya hdd crashes i just lost my 20 gig audio drive to the hdd gremlins and luckily i had my smaple library backed up phew

mungo
05-Jul-02, 01:14pm
I was looking for a scsi zip drive how much should it be second hand all these ppl are asking $80 and more i reckon thats a rip off

hpstekno
05-Jul-02, 01:26pm
you wont get one much cheaper mungo i just payed $89.95 for mine and they have been discontinued only serial and usb now

the only other options are 2.2 gig iomega scsi jaz drives which retail for nearly $800 bux or this one
here (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/orb-online/orb22exulscs.html) for just under $400 aus

TECHiONE
05-Jul-02, 01:33pm
I paid $80 for the one I got s/hand. Considering it's going to cost me a few hundred to replace my SCSI hard-disc I didn't think it was too much, and I was desperate at the time.

Actually you'll find that it's very difficult to find smaller SCSI storage devices these days, which is not good for all the music people out there with SCSI gear, samplers etc.

From all the frantic phoning around I did, I learnt that SCSI is being phased out as a format for any low end use/devices. I don't really need more than a 4 gig SCSI hard-disc for my sampler, and the smallest SCSI hard-disc you'll find around now (brand new) are 18 gig, and not cheap!

Everything is going USB, or FireWire format now. If you wanted a brand new SCSI Zip drive, you would have to order it in, probably from over seas. A few stores told me they are not made anymore, and have not been stocked for at least a year. But, the Iomega site still seems to have them on there as a product, so I'm not sure.

It's only very recently that new music hardware is coming with USB, and FireWire interfaces. There's a USB interface I can get for my Akai s5000 sampler, but I'm told you can't use these USB hard-drives, and USB Zip drive with it, well currently... probably never now that Akai have moved on to the development of their Z samplers...

a_618allstarr
09-Jul-02, 02:36pm
Should this be in Buying & Selling... anyway, I have a barely used Iomega Zip 250 Parallel drive for sale plus lotsa discs.. will sell discs in 4 packs.

Just contact me...

meandarkdirty
09-Jul-02, 02:52pm
Parallel is no good 618. If you live in Sydney I know the pawn shop near UTS has a couple of scsi zip drives for sale. Didn't check the price on them but it's probably reasonable.

a_618allstarr
09-Jul-02, 02:59pm
Oh I know that it's not good for this purpose, but people might have a need for a Zip drive other than this.

Anway... I have been given a unit and a **** load of discs which I want to offload...

driload
10-Jul-02, 12:18am
im no stranger to the backup-blues, but now im obsessive about backing up. i backup to a SCSI hard drive on one of my pc's and then make another copy to cd-r, sometimes even to cd-rs if it is something important, such as a track im nearly finished.

once upon a time a was part of a production crew with an EP about to be released but a "l33t h4x0r" type who was obsessed about my girlfriend of the time stuck a trojan on my hard-drive and decided to cause a little havoc

very "days of our lives" isnt it... it gets worse... the backup cd-rs were trashed by another crew member's girlfriend during their break-up fight


needless to say we broke up the project and what was an assured EP release (luckily not obligated to complete by the label) turned out to not happen



anyway back to ZIP drives. i had an S2000 but i could NEVER find the right scsi cable for the end to my pc, which is some old Honda drive... impossible to find. plus i never bought a new scsi interface because it would mean too much work messing with what it a VERY SCSI based system

so... now dont laugh Techione.... i used sysex dumps in Soundforge to transfer my samples to the sampler!

go to TOOLS>SAMPLER to check it out if you havent already

then i found a little application which you ran off your pc to make wav files the S2000 format via a:


anyway i sold my S2000, ordered an MPC2000XL, bought a SCSI ZIP off ebay only two weeks ago (about 100 bucks?? worth it i reckon... it came UNOPENED in the box).

of course, AKAI has done the switch on the interface :P
even though an MPC2000XL has S2000 "engine" so to speak, it has SCSI2 interface...

so now im out of pocket another 50 bucks on a cable!!!!!

by the way i got the mpc200xl for 2500 with an 8 out board and 32megs ram and a quiklok stand. not too bad a deal by any means



im YET TO USE my zip, but ive also bought off of ebay an external SCSI case



unlike Techione i HAVE gotten to gigs and been unable to use sampler due to stuffed disks etc etc

now i will always have more then a few backups


and... when in doubt.... BEATBOX!

phunkdust
10-Jul-02, 01:26am
mmm i backup around once every two months... i backup everything onto CD (its the best option right now, i cant afford a JAZ or an ORB) so yeah, i go thru an entire spindle of 50 CD-Rs... it takes all day, but at least i have everything backed up (and i mean, EVERYTHING)

a couple times a week i'll backup recent stuff onto floppy disc (just the working files)

i'm not fortunate enough to own the floppy disk version of my synth so if i want to back up its onto memory card or dump sysex to computer and on to floppy. It's kinda funny tho, being able to fit thousands of presets onto one disk...

hpstekno
10-Jul-02, 11:06am
i hear ya driload i've got an s3000xl and a mpc2000xl apart from having different scsi interfaces the fcuking format is different aswell so you cant use the same drive on both machines:(
although the mpc will read akai format it reads wavs aswell so it has a different disk format grrrrrrrrrrrr

FunkyJ
11-Jul-02, 01:14pm
Yup, I have all my stuff backed up... Now...

After losing a 1 Year old 40gig HD in my PC...

I had half the stuff backed up, but it was quite an old back up, and most of my stuff - samples, acid 3 tunes, and the final product MP3 / Wavs was lost :meh:

Tax Invoice
12-Jul-02, 03:37pm
Originally posted by phunkdust
...It's kinda funny tho, being able to fit thousands of presets onto one disk...

Oh yeah. Did the big backup two weeks ago. 60 CDRs which considering it's three albums, 8 Eps, plus film & ad scores looked quite pitiful! Almost laughable.

To think that 10 years ago I would have had to hire climate controlled storage for mastertape... :lol:

driload
12-Jul-02, 05:03pm
"master tape"


strange word these days isnt it?


imagine how odd its going to be in the future.... like right now we can grab nearly any Master Tape and remaster or remix any old track

i mean, most tape machines are still abundant in capital cities around the world, except for some very oldskool formats, and even then theres going to be someone, somewhere who specialises in it, but what will the future for digital master tapes hold?

ive been hearing that this can be quite a problem right now also. some friends in the USA who use pro-tools are having to buy a hard-drive just to Master their session down to, and they give the hard drive to the label as the masters!

obviously you cant back a, shall we say, Commercial Professional mix down to cd-r as wave files due to the markets love affair with millions of channels of harmonies and effects returns that are given their own module etc etc

and dvd is that common yet as a burning tool



wierd...

think of all the different types of DAW's we all use...

maybe one day the mastering engineer will have to be a backup man too, or else a new industry job...

MASTER-TAPE CREATOR

some industry standard of digital master tape archiving?



you can bet if it will make them money they will do it... and force feed it to us i guess


anyway, i have to go back to backin up 67687878786 cd-rs