gettin started. putin music on cd's for mixing

[cosmocork]

Hey ive just finished a dj course and was able to use the CDJ's there and get sum practise but anyway im buyin gear this week (CDJ) and i want to know how i should start a cd folder for all the cds illl be using when i dj.
for example say i have 1000 electro songs on my computer..should i just put a few songs onto cds to mix and practise with in my bedroom and only put the songs i need onto cds when i get a gig, OR should i just start putting all my songs onto cds ?
what would be the best way to do this.
thanks.

[mcdoofus]

Electro songs? Easy! There's already a specified Windows directory for them. It's called Recycle Bin.

[cosmocork]

yeah great help so far mate

[Teknikall]

burn your fave tracks first, mix them up a few times, then burn em all and create some sets. dont mix your fave tracks over and over, you'll soon get sick of hearing them and will never enjoy them as much there after

[macc4]

ok, this is how the pro's do it.

you need to make one folder called HD

inside the HD folder, make 25 sub-folders

name these folders HD1,HD2,etc all the way up to HD25

open the HD25 folder. this is where you should put your music.

[hoppuspears]

Hey

Personally id go to the effort first (wish i did) and delete every crap song u dont like.

Or at least make a new folder called Dj songs put only the songs you want to play in there.

Go into Itunes (i made a new account on windows called dj so it was a fresh itunes with nothing else except my dj stuff)

Put all the songs in and then make playlists

cd1
cd2
ect..

Then burn..

When u get new songs make folders in your dj music folder called.... August 2008 with the new songs and add them into itunes go to recently added make more playlist eg. cd51 and burn again

Thats what i do

[cosmocork]

yeah thanks heaps so far . more ideas would be appreciated.

and i dont really get that HD 25 folder thing..wats the otha 24 folders for .. ?

[hoojee]

Electro songs? Easy! There's already a specified Windows directory for them. It's called Recycle Bin.

lol best reply :-D hahahahaha gonna put it in my sig


anyways.. to answer your question, if ur fussy like me, for a collection like that, i sort them into folders only 2 to 4 tracks per cd sorted in simliarity for me, in same key and burn them.. but for electro i guess it doesnt matter about harmonics..

or tracks i get off beatport.. just buy the release and burn the whole release.. effectively, its like a vinyl release where u only have a one followed by a couple of remixes per cd and LABEL them

[mcdoofus]

ok, this is how the pro's do it.

you need to make one folder called HD

inside the HD folder, make 25 sub-folders

name these folders HD1,HD2,etc all the way up to HD25

open the HD25 folder. this is where you should put your music.

I do something similar but with DXM, e.g. DXM-06, DXM-09 etc.

[tony d]

I just have all the genres foldered

deep tech house 001, 002,003
deep house 001 , 002, 003
Deep US House 001, 002, 003

about 9 - 10 tracks per folder


do up a colour coded label for each genre with the tracks printed on it and the date it was burned. Burn two copies of each folder to cds, then back them all up to an external hard drive

[mcdoofus]

But seriously! I do what hoppuspears mentioned. I make a new playlist in iTunes called Disc #1, then put 8-10 songs in there arranged from most likely to play through to least likely. Burn two copies of the disc (so you can mix from one to the other if you need to). Write #1 on the disc.

Repeat :thumb:

[Bracko]

code the CD's and the folders the same (AA01, AA02... etc...) buy a CD wallet and stickers.

put the code on the CD and assign it a spot in the CD wallet, use the stickers to put on the CD wallet and write that CD serial number on the spot in the wallet where it goes.

if you lose one, you know exactly the tracks that were on it. it it gets scratched beyond repair, throw it out and re-burn.

[cosmocork]

alrite thanks for that mcdoofus. i know its probs a bad thing to put say 15-20 songs on each cd but that wud make less cds in my portable cd folder.. ?

[troids_master]

ive changed my mind on how to do this many times... ive got mp3 functionality as most new cdj's should so i wanted to save money on cd's by making mp3 discs with about 30 songs on each one. i also grouped them into styles/genres to keep likely songs i would play in a set together eg a disc for breaks, electro house, fidget, tech funk and the list goes on. works pretty well for me and i also printed off a page for each disc with song lists etc in case im having trouble finding a track

[mcdoofus]

cosmo - You wont fit more than 10-12 regular songs on a CD, and MP3 discs are a bad idea - some older CDJ models can't play them.. which is bad news if you find that out after you turn up to play your gig.

[hoojee]

^ someone once said on the forums:

"bringing mp3s to gigs is like just as unorganised as not bringing ur own carts."

and plus mp3 takes so long to load the waveform =[

[cosmocork]

well yeh nearly all my songs are mp3 cos i dont have the money to buy music and ill just have to hope the cdj models play mp3 lol they shud anyway.

[cosmocork]

sooo.. you guys are saying i should mainly use music in gigs that are not downloaded and not mp3?

[mcdoofus]

well yeh nearly all my songs are mp3 cos i dont have the money to buy music and ill just have to hope the cdj models play mp3 lol they shud anyway.

If you don't have the money to buy music, you don't have the money to play music. You better start saving... :rainman:

[Papanikolas]

and i dont really get that HD 25 folder thing..wats the otha 24 folders for .. ?

you leave the other 24 folders empty. only put your best tunes in the HD25 folder :thumb:

[hoojee]

sooo.. you guys are saying i should mainly use music in gigs that are not downloaded and not mp3?

burn them as audio cds and u should be using mp3 of AT LEAST 320k bitrate or even better WAVes.. else they lack the sound quality in bigger systems...

[Spectrum]

well yeh nearly all my songs are mp3 cos i dont have the money to buy music

Get a job paying $15/hr, work 8 hours, earn $120, quit job, buy 50 tracks and a six pack of beer, DJ like a man.

[cosmocork]

haha sounds good

[hoojee]

^^

or even better.....

centerlink

[RunningWithScissors]

gettin started. putin music on cd's for mixingyeah I've got that one

http://i34.tinypic.com/2wh1bvo.png

[b_bop]

sooo.. you guys are saying i should mainly use music in gigs that are not downloaded and not mp3?

What the hell did they teach you at this course? Sounds like they skipped straight through to lesson 20 "Bitches, Money and Fame - How to handle them like a pro".

[tony d]

sooo.. you guys are saying i should mainly use music in gigs that are not downloaded and not mp3?

I'd get the money back that you paid for your 'DJ Course'

[cosmocork]

yeah well no s*it im not gona get a gig probs for a year cos i just started so im sttartin with mp3 then wen i get cash ill buy music for gigs
this is gone off topic .. anymore advice on my original question wud be appreciated.

[mcdoofus]

:lol: :lol: :lol: RWS

[Bracko]

yeah I've got that one

http://i34.tinypic.com/2wh1bvo.png

b3st e\/rR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OFOPd6pgjI&NR=1

[Jack1591]

yeah well no s*it im not gona get a gig probs for a year cos i just started so im sttartin with mp3 then wen i get cash ill buy music for gigs
this is gone off topic .. anymore advice on my original question wud be appreciated.

mate, what they're saying is the format that you burn the acutal music in. they are saying burn it in WAV format (what u would for a regular CD player) rather than burning them as an MP3 disc. of course the music on ur comp is MP3. Get ur tunes of beatport mate, they're not expensive and burn as 320+ WAVs.

[saad]

The ignorance of some people is amazing...


My music is sorted in genre folders and genre playlists in itunes. I burn abotu 8 tracks per CD, by Genre, and label the CD "Proggy 5 August" and Burn 2 copies. Then i change the comment field in itunes to say "BURNED" so I know what songs have been burned. For full releases I just burn the whole release.

[jazzyd]

Get Torq Connective for 400 bucks and you won't need to burn anything.. You said you where getting gear and I'd assume it would be something like 2 x CDJ 200's and lets say a Numark DXM09 which would cost around $1940.. you could get a single CDJ400 same mixer Torq Connective and an MAudio trigger finger for around the same price. Do some study, hit youtube and the Maudio website.

PS. don't convert MP3 back to WAV as you will lose sound quality. MP3 320 is fine for your average DJ and is used by club DJs everywhere.

[SlicyDicer]

The ignorance of some people is amazing...


My music is sorted in genre folders and genre playlists in itunes. I burn abotu 8 tracks per CD, by Genre, and label the CD "Proggy 5 August" and Burn 2 copies. Then i change the comment field in itunes to say "BURNED" so I know what songs have been burned. For full releases I just burn the whole release.

This is how you do it.

[JKWITS]

Electro songs? Easy! There's already a specified Windows directory for them. It's called Recycle Bin.

ok, this is how the pro's do it.

you need to make one folder called HD

inside the HD folder, make 25 sub-folders

name these folders HD1,HD2,etc all the way up to HD25

open the HD25 folder. this is where you should put your music.

:lol: :lol:

I'm just a bedroom dj but I have been burning cd's as I buy music. My collection is getting to the stage now where its needs a major re sort which is gonna take ages to re burn a lot of stuff. I would recommend only burning a 5 or so songs per disk and making duplicates of cd's with songs you play frequently since it sucks when you realise that the song you want to play is on the same cd thats playing at that time.

[Teknikall]

This is how you do it.
its friday night, and i feel alright

[pomrocks]

well yeh nearly all my songs are mp3 cos i dont have the money to buy music and ill just have to hope the cdj models play mp3 lol they shud anyway.

so where you getting the music from?

[mcdoofus]

:ahoy:

[kasper_flip]

Hey

Personally id go to the effort first (wish i did) and delete every crap song u dont like.

Or at least make a new folder called Dj songs put only the songs you want to play in there.

Go into Itunes (i made a new account on windows called dj so it was a fresh itunes with nothing else except my dj stuff)

Put all the songs in and then make playlists

cd1
cd2
ect..

Then burn..

When u get new songs make folders in your dj music folder called.... August 2008 with the new songs and add them into itunes go to recently added make more playlist eg. cd51 and burn again

Thats what i do

that is exactly what i do. also make sure to tick 'embed song titles' in the burning options of itunes, that way song titles come up on cdjs even though its burnt as an audio cd. also i usually put about 10 tracks on cd. right now i only have one cdj so i have no need to burn twice, but you may have to do that if u are planning on mixing tracks that are on the same cd.

[genebourne]

HAHA!!!

The 'DJ Booth' is now my favourite forum for shits and giggles. Thank you to everyone involved!

:rock:

[avatar_karma]

i never buy single tracks. only whole releases, so 1 release = 1 CD.
in saying that, i don't have CDJ's.
can we have votes on how soon this guys equipment will be on the buy and sell forum??
i say 3 weeks.

[kloseline]

Get Torq Connective for 400 bucks and you won't need to burn anything.. You said you where getting gear and I'd assume it would be something like 2 x CDJ 200's and lets say a Numark DXM09 which would cost around $1940.. you could get a single CDJ400 same mixer Torq Connective and an MAudio trigger finger for around the same price. Do some study, hit youtube and the Maudio website.

PS. don't convert MP3 back to WAV as you will lose sound quality. MP3 320 is fine for your average DJ and is used by club DJs everywhere.
true that, but the amputate mode sucks... its getting weird after some time having the crossfader on the left and right side but always using one deck.... same for the linefader mixer0s. i highly suggest two decks... but yeah dvs for the win!

[cosmocork]

i cant find that ''embed song titles' in itunes to make the song title come up on the cdjs.
there is a box that says 'include cd text' is that the one ?

[Tha Gooch]

besides the lag time are there any other reasons why burn music cd's is better than just burning the mp3's to cd?

[Papanikolas]

^ not all cdjs have mp3 support

[pEAkeR_hAT]

Why not just put two songs per cd?

I would recommend putting the A side, with the B side it was released with.

:rainman:

[J-radical]

I do as most seem to and import the songs into itunes (make sure it is set to import to 320kbps) then make the playlists i want, i then print the playlist using the itunes print function, i usually try and use a background picture. I then use this picture to make up a cd design with the number and name on it and use white blank cd's to print my own cd labels. you can then easily reference the picture to the cd. if you have copied the tunes from vinyl or itunes or whatever you should have that listed on the heading so you know if its feasible to play on certain soundsystems.

Thats for my bulk of tunes, ive also started taking a smaller cd wallet with single tunes on them with how long it is to the drop and the outro time as i find that having a wallet with so many tunes in it kind of makes your set dart all over the place, its better to have a more narrowed down idea and have the back up of all the others there if you need them.

[Spectrum]

I do as most seem to and import the songs into itunes (make sure it is set to import to 320kbps)....


It's a crying shame you're going from CD-Quality to Less-Than-CD-Quality to play out, especially given the choice, IMO.

[J-radical]

how, if its set to import at 320 there should be no difference.

[omnipresence]

Yeah but 320 kbps isn't CD quality. He's saying it's a shame to use mp3s when you have the option of using a lossless format (wav or flac).

[J-radical]

near enough, does anyone actually purchase wav files?? i dont really see the reason for spending the additional money myself. 320 is suitable for large systems its as close to cd quality as you can get and you would have to have some picky ears to tell the difference, anything below gets a bit tinny, especially itunes stuff, but i still use these for smaller systems.

[Spectrum]

how, if its set to import at 320 there should be no difference.


But does 1411 equal 320?

[omnipresence]

Yeah I buy wavs. Sure, in some cases the difference is not that noticeable and it's not like I never play 320s (some releases don't offer wav, and netlabels are usually mp3), but it can be heard if you know what you're listening for. I might be picky about it but when it comes down to the music ... sound ... why wouldn't I want the highest possible quality available to me?

Sorry to take it off in the mp3 vs wav direction. Not even really sure what this thread is about...

[J-radical]

But does 1411 equal 320?

it does if you start with 320, which most download sites are set too, im not picky enough to warrant the extra spenditure. sounds fine on Funktion 1's which is good enough for me. But yeah this has wavered off a bit, (hooohaaaa awesome pun)

[Spectrum]

import the songs into itunes (make sure it is set to import to 320kbps)

it does if you start with 320


I'm confused. You were talking about importing songs into iTunes 'set to to import to 320kbps', weren't you?

The import setting only affects ripped CDs and the 'convert selection to' option, not d/l tracks dropped into the library.

I recognize that most d/l sites don't offer beyond 320 kbps, and I don't see that being the case forever. It's an absolute disgrace that sites offer less than that with no option for better quality.

[djtoastytraxx]

Electro is where you went wrong. You should know electro is'nt the style to play.

[cosmocork]

is it bad to convert mp3 files to wav files using audacity.. ?

does it make the sound quality much better for playin out and stuff

[mcdoofus]

*sigh*

[cosmocork]

u wana answer the question buddy im actually using xilisoft to convert the files.

[mcdoofus]

I want to answer the question as much as you want to use your brain and the search function.

[cosmocork]

just answer it man

[tony d]

is it bad to convert mp3 files to wav files using audacity.. ?

does it make the sound quality much better for playin out and stuff



If you eat a steak.. it turns to shit.... you cant turn that shit back into steak again

[cosmocork]

but arent mp3 files compressed and then uncompressed usin this program into wav files ?

[tony d]

You've gotta lot of learning to do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3

Your cd burning software should convert the mp3s to wav format if you burn it as an audio disk.

Your gonna get alot of shit from people in here by asking these questions as they've been answered 1000000000 times

[cosmocork]

alrite thanks

[Master Mischief]

i cant find that ''embed song titles' in itunes to make the song title come up on the cdjs.
there is a box that says 'include cd text' is that the one ?

You got it...tick the box...should be in 'preferences'...

[mcdoofus]

If you eat a steak.. it turns to shit.... you cant turn that shit back into steak again

:lol: Perfect analogy.

[J-radical]

I'm confused. You were talking about importing songs into iTunes 'set to to import to 320kbps', weren't you?

The import setting only affects ripped CDs and the 'convert selection to' option, not d/l tracks dropped into the library.

I recognize that most d/l sites don't offer beyond 320 kbps, and I don't see that being the case forever. It's an absolute disgrace that sites offer less than that with no option for better quality.

yeah true, on that one, why is it that dowloaded tunes dont convert to the nominated bit rate? id definitley play the original cd over a compressed file thats for sure. it is kinda shit that you just cant buy wav files for the price of mp3's.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

Ok why was I abused and this kid the biggest twat I think I have ever seen. Not coping anything, he is clearly not done any research on any thing.
Is playing a shitty genre because that’s what the "in" style currently though the commercial world well it’s out now but you know what I mean.
He is clearly stealing his music rather than paying for it. Using an excuses that I thort was ok but it isn’t.

Get a Job do some research and get some ethics.
I understand that I was stealing some of my music before a similar tread were I was abused in. but I didn’t ask stupid questions with out researching or using my head before I asked.

[tony d]

yeah life sucks eh?

[Jack1591]

Ok why was I abused and this kid the biggest twat I think I have ever seen. Not coping anything, he is clearly not done any research on any thing.
Is playing a shitty genre because that’s what the "in" style currently though the commercial world well it’s out now but you know what I mean.
He is clearly stealing his music rather than paying for it. Using an excuses that I thort was ok but it isn’t.

Get a Job do some research and get some ethics.
I understand that I was stealing some of my music before a similar tread were I was abused in. but I didn’t ask stupid questions with out researching or using my head before I asked.


we've all been there mate. relax. he will learn. just like you did.

[b_bop]

just answer it man

I shouldn't have blamed the course. You're just a moron.

[cosmocork]

so did all you guys start out being awesome djs?
you started off knowing everything hey?
this is my research. im on this forum asking questions and learning. no need to be assholes about it.

[Jack1591]

so did all you guys start out being awesome djs?
you started off knowing everything hey?
this is my research. im on this forum asking questions and learning. no need to be assholes about it.


as much as there could be some truth in what your saying, telling other ITMers to "just answer it man" might not be the best thing for you on ur 11th post.
other than that welcome to ITM.

[mcdoofus]

so did all you guys start out being awesome djs?
you started off knowing everything hey?
this is my research. im on this forum asking questions and learning. no need to be assholes about it.

Lesson 1 in being an awesome DJ:
http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/search.php

Feel free to research and learn from the forums, but don't convince yourself that nobody else has asked the same questions as you before.. chances are they've been asked numerous times.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

so did all you guys start out being awesome djs?
you started off knowing everything hey?
this is my research. im on this forum asking questions and learning. no need to be assholes about it.



Don’t ask stupid questions your doing it right now.
This ISNT RESEACH, research is going doing things like googling it, or searching forum for your answers. Then if you don’t find an answerer then you ask then don’t be a smart ass about getting bad response. The asshole thing is just ITM. by asking questions strait out by looking in to it you wont learn as much as reading through stuff that my not directly be relevant but will be useful.

I pretty sure is tells you in the terms and conditions that you are not to post unless you have searched. For this tread you should have your account suspended. For not following to the terms and conditions.

[macc4]

Don’t ask stupid questions your doing it right now.
This ISNT RESEACH, research is going doing things like googling it, or searching forum for your answers. Then if you don’t find an answerer then you ask then don’t be a smart ass about getting bad response. The asshole thing is just ITM. by asking questions strait out by looking in to it you wont learn as much as reading through stuff that my not directly be relevant but will be useful.

I pretty sure is tells you in the terms and conditions that you are not to post unless you have searched. For this tread you should have your account suspended. For not following to the terms and conditions.

fixed for choppy - modstyle

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

Dont know what you changed but thanks also and the first "is" is ment to be a it

[Jack1591]

so young so angry...

[Bracko]

looks like choppy is using spell check now.... *yay*

although his posts still don't make sense :P

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

I’m not using spell check, just slowing down what I say. Yes I need to make shit, make more sense.

[Bracko]

how the fuck can you not spell genre, but can spell suspended than :lol:

opps wait, you also used the wrong straight.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

As I have explained some were else. I spell " Eorgraficly " (some really hard word to spell way). This basically means I spell words only by “sounding out”. There for missing a lot of the hidden rules in English. Do not ask me how but this is caused by my hearing problem I have.

[Jack1591]

your so hardcore bracko.
paying out people with hearing problems. geez thats rough.
gee that hurts. ouch. gee.
ouch.

[djtoastytraxx]

Geez this thread is full of a bunch of piss wining idiots.

Edit - I bet y'all could gang together and have a big orgy?

[macc4]

Geez this thread is full of a bunch of piss wining idiots.

Pot calls kettle black.

[Duck Dodgers]

how the fuck can you not spell genre, but can spell suspended than

opps wait, you also used the wrong straight.

You used the wrong 'then'

Sensical Grammar directly correlates to dj skills and all round uberness

[liseyt]

I burn each track to its own cd and treat it like a record. yes it means I carry a shitload of disks around but thats just how I roll. otherwise i dont know what the fuck is going on - sometimes I will cue the wrong track if I have more than a couple on a cd and then it is all over red rover.

I play mostly vinyl anyway so not too weighed down with cds yet.

[cosmocork]

thanks for that info liseyt

[macc4]

I burn each track to its own cd and treat it like a record.

does you use a laser stylus on them?

*lightbulb flash*

how fuckin good would a laser stylus be?

[liseyt]

they do exist!

http://www.elpj.com/

and I also only buy in wav format as well. even though you pay a bit extra i dont want to have to learn the hard way by a tune sounding shit on a big system.

[GrEnNo]

buy those cds that look like vinyl, makes you look like your playing vinyl but really ur not:stroke: :lol:

[BigJC]

buy those cds that look like vinyl, makes you look like your playing vinyl but really ur not:stroke: :lol:


i know the ones you mean they are verbatim.

i have some of them they are the shitest cd's ever. bar laser cd's.

haha you'd need clear glass made cdj's so the public can see the "vinyl" cds spinning on the inside.. haha then you'd be no. 1

[GrEnNo]

yeah there the ones haha

:stroke: you would be the coolest thing going round

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[avatar_karma]

laser stylus do exist, but its ridicoulously expensive.
anyway.
if your question didn't get answered.
mp3 = lossy
wav = uncompressed.

mp3 does not equal wav. as when mp3 is compressed some audio data is throw out never to be regained. but 320 cbr mp3 is as good as wav to our ears, human hearing cannot tell the difference between the 2.

in saying this. if you buy a cd rip it onto your computer using a properly setup EAC. if you buy tracks off the internet as wav just drop them into your music player.
DO NOT CONVERT THEM TO MP3
now everytime u burn them to a cd, they will be lossless (as .wav's) on the cd. capice?

[cosmocork]

yeah thanks avatar

any more suggestions to putting my music on cds and how i shud go about it ?
i dont want to put 1 song per cd because that would take too long i think
would 10 songs per cd be the maximum or perfect ?

[avatar_karma]

there is no right or wrong answer.
1 track to 1 cd is being a whore.
fill up the whole cd and you could forget whats on there (unless u properly reference them)
i still say 1 release = 1 cd.
in saying that i bet you don't buy whole relases. actually, i bet you don't buy ur music at all :) ahaha
so in conclusion: you might as well do as many as u can genre by genre, make sure u burn 2 of each cd. and make sure u someone print off whats on each cd.

[cosmocork]

haha k thanks

[cosmocork]

another quick question.. my speakers which are connected to my dj gear tend to make a fuzzy static noise when i put the volume high . any ideas? cud it be the cause of dust ?

[macc4]

another quick question.. my speakers which are connected to my dj gear tend to make a fuzzy static noise when i put the volume high . any ideas? cud it be the cause of dust ?

does it do it only when its playing?
could be dust in groove, worn stylus, magnetic interference, bad earth, bad lead, bad amp or behringer.

[macc4]

another quick question.. my speakers which are connected to my dj gear tend to make a fuzzy static noise when i put the volume high . any ideas? cud it be the cause of dust ?

don't put the volume quite that high :thumb:

[cosmocork]

yeh it was doin it a bit wen it wasnt playin but thats fixed sumhow.. im usin cdjs so dusnt have to do with stylus.. and the volume isnt really that loud wen it starts to go fuzzy ..

[macc4]

cdj firmware issue. the cdj trying to recreate the warm feel of vinyl. contact manufacturer

[Mad Rooster]

You're not using HD-25s. Get with the programme.

[cosmocork]

hd 25s? its not the headphones its my speakers

[shaggdoggz]

normally its the speakers hitting the max potential and starting to distort. This will happen to all speakers if you push them too much and as time goes ur speaker systems will slowly upgrade, when you get better you will purchase better quality tunes and chose something you will work most on that will be perfected. when you get so far with one thing it will force you to start to learn about other areas as they will begin to cause limitations on u advancing, natural course of most things in life.

[trouble hifire]

could be that your using pirated music you fucking cheapass.

[shaggdoggz]

^^All articles and marketing things ive read constantly say that 98 - 99% of australians actively pirate music/movies/appz/gamez etc, so chances are your trying to just stir shit and its really a waste of time making a statement like "could be that your using pirated music you fucking cheapass" especially if its just bedroom djing he is currently doing. Just make it more of a point that a person should have legit music on gigs because its wrong to profit from other peoples work.

[trouble hifire]

no i think the statement still stands, i have heard pirated music being thrown through setups before (big and small) and alot of the time it sounds like shit.

i can honestly say i have zero pirated music, djing-wise all i mix is vinyl, general music-wise apart from cd's i buy (to support the artists) all the music i download is sets/demos/promos

and yeah im am stirring shit.

[Spectrum]

all the music i download is sets/demos/promos

Ah, so illegal, unauthorized pirated stuff.

Or do you really believe those royalties get paid from those DJ sets? :P

[trouble hifire]

the majority of the sets i have are released by the dj's themselves (myspace, facebook, djfez etc)

RE live recorded sets 99% of the time its stated in the contract for that event that they either allow or decline the recording of the set for promo purposes.

no one is getting royalties as that wasn't their purpose when they were recorded in the first place.

[shaggdoggz]

I honestly cant say that i can 'hear' pirated music. I play vinyl and cd, and spend alot on buying stuff, but im not nieve enough to not realize that a majority of music pirated come orignially from beatport and that often pirated music is alot better quality then a dj who buys tracks from itunes which some 'god forbid' still do. Also alot of pirated music is better quality then what can be purchased within australia when a track isnt openly released so all that can be found 190kbs etc. a majority of promos and sets that are released are techniquelly illegal music and downloading them is walking close to the line on whats considered legal and not also. I also know some very successful artists have views on piracy which are in the wonderfully 'grey' areas on what they think and do.

[Spectrum]

the majority of the sets i have are released by the dj's themselves (myspace, facebook, djfez etc)

RE live recorded sets 99% of the time its stated in the contract for that event that they either allow or decline the recording of the set for promo purposes.

no one is getting royalties as that wasn't their purpose when they were recorded in the first place.


Live = DJ set?

Are DJs above the law?

Without the express permission from the people who own the copyright of the songs/tracks themselves, or using the correct channels (eg. APRA), what authority does a DJ have?

DJs can't say yay/nay in some gig contract (which they made a shitload of money out of) to whether their set may be recorded/distributed/sold unless they own the copyright to the tracks they play.

...which (in most cases) they don't.

I'm not suggesting DJ sets aren't prevalent or the norm these days, but let's not confuse that with the legalities and how copyright law works.

Of course, if an artist sued a big-name DJ for playing their track out without paying the associated royalties (which they're perfectly entitled to), I expect it'd be the last record that artist sold.

But it doesn't mean it's not piracy.

[mcdoofus]

^ What's the alternative? DJ sets are obviously are the lesser of two evils between "borrowing" a track to play it live, and stealing it outright in the first place (through MP3 blogs, P2P etc).

[trouble hifire]

Live = DJ set?

Are DJs above the law?

Without the express permission from the people who own the copyright of the songs/tracks themselves, or using the correct channels (eg. APRA), what authority does a DJ have?

DJs can't say yay/nay in some gig contract (which they made a shitload of money out of) to whether their set may be recorded/distributed/sold unless they own the copyright to the tracks they play.

...which (in most cases) they don't.

I'm not suggesting DJ sets aren't prevalent or the norm these days, but let's not confuse that with the legalities and how copyright law works.

Of course, if an artist sued a big-name DJ for playing their track out without paying the associated royalties (which they're perfectly entitled to), I expect it'd be the last record that artist sold.

But it doesn't mean it's not piracy.

Comparing a recorded dj set/promo mix to someone stealing songs off p2p is pretty whack, granted the dj set/promo part may be a largely grey area but the p2p simply isn't.

the point i was making is he is using cdj's so its not like music is at all expensive (what a couple of dollars a song) if you want to do it at least man up and pay the pittance for the music your mixing (and like therefore theoretically support)

[DaBro]

But it doesn't mean it's not piracy.

And this is where the record industry needs to decide how it likes it cake.

How many of us have heard a track at a club or on ASOT or on Pete Tong's show and then bought it for our own use/enjoyment?

DJing is free airplay for records. Its the equivalent of a can of cola in a Holywood movie.

[cosmocork]

iif your gona use itunes to burn your music onto cds is there an easy way to print out a tracklist like with nero ?

[J-radical]

yeah just go to the playlist then hit print, you can choose a few differnt options on how it comes out.

[synick]

You got it...tick the box...should be in 'preferences'...


Hmm, can't seem to find it either. Is it in the Burning tab?

I might upgrade to the latest version, see if there is any difference.

[dan_essential77]

I organise my music in colour-coded order.
First few slips are Uplifting Trance (Blue,) then I slowly move into Progressive Trance (Green,) finishing off with Tech-Trance / Techno (Red.)
In those transitions, there are CD's which include Blue / Green, but it helps me distinguish between tunes, than if I didn't have them colour-coded.
On some tunes as well, I write, DRIVING, OR EDGE TECH-TRANCE, so I can see quickly what type of style I want to lead into.

[macc4]

^does you use stickers or texta when you color in your cd's?

[Taxman]

I use flags. Here's the one for UPLIFTING PROGRESSIVE DRIVING EDGE TECH TRANCE

http://www.colourlovers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/8color.jpg

[macc4]

oh. cos if i had any trance cds, they would all be colored beige.

[Mad Rooster]

Uplifting trance....?

Nice work too Taxman.

[cosmocork]

i just bought 100 no brand blank cds for $26 where as i cudve bought 50 sony blank cds for $20... any difference?

[macc4]

i just bought 100 no brand blank cds for $26 where as i cudve bought 50 sony blank cds for $20... any difference?

50 cds and $6 difference. but remember, sony does have the megabass.

[cosmocork]

just a question which i wud like to be answered properly...

ive been mixin electro music and when i mix track 2 into track 1 ive been bringin track 2 into the mix at the point in an electro song where there is usually silence and building up to the peak and no beats.. it goes pretty smoothly but there is no beat matching involved..shud i be practisin more bringin in the song earlier with the beats and beatmatching?

[shaggdoggz]

^^there is no correct answer to that. just make sure it doesnt sound out and wrong, try practicing different styles and see what u like best after u have knowledge of trying things.

[b_bop]

Hey ive just finished a dj course

shud i be practisin more bringin in the song earlier with the beats and beatmatching?

:lol:

[GrEnNo]

i think everyone wants you to post a mix on here......i say do it:thumb:

:lol:

[cosmocork]

anyone else got something good to say?

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

Oh first he will ask how to record a set off the mixer :rainman:

Also with your question above learn to beat match. Some one wise on here told me you need to learn the rules before you break them. So there for once you know the rules you can break them as much as you want as long they sound good.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

anyone else got something good to say?


Your attitude is so fucked man. Stop demanding respect. Not going to happen.

[cosmocork]

im not lookin for respect i just want good answers to my questions instead of this smartass shit its just wasting my time and your time. i dont care how stupid my questions may be . if you have nothing good to say then dont say anything at all

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

So what your saying is, you think you can come in to a community. Break the rules of the forum. Then not cop the smartass comments by every one. Dude dont break the rules, think about what your asking, and be up for a joke. Then you will get " good answeres". mate the thing is number 1 this is an australia site and in australian culture we hang shit on each other. so dude jsut learn to cop it and stop being such a winny bitch. Anless some one goes to fair.

[Mad Rooster]

First good thing out of chop chop's mouth for a while. Go for it!

[cosmocork]

i dont care if u hang shit on me aslong as i get a decent answer by the end of it
i know where ur comin from chopchop..hmmmmm

[Jack1591]

just a question which i wud like to be answered properly...

ive been mixin electro music and when i mix track 2 into track 1 ive been bringin track 2 into the mix at the point in an electro song where there is usually silence and building up to the peak and no beats.. it goes pretty smoothly but there is no beat matching involved..shud i be practisin more bringin in the song earlier with the beats and beatmatching?


so your saying you mix 1 to the other deliberately in the build up where there is no beat so you dont need to beatmatch? and then fading the other track out before it breaks down? thats like having sex and withdrawing just before you cum, but instead of jizzing somewhere else, you just simply stop so you dont jiz. kinda defeats the purpose of sex dont it?:drool:

[Jack1591]

cosmo, post a mix so we can give you advice.

[b_bop]

i dont care if u hang shit on me aslong as i get a decent answer by the end of it


Quid pro quo doctor. Tell me how you can finish a "dj course" yet have no idea how to purchase music or burn it onto a CD, let alone an understanding that a lot of the time the beats do go on top of each other?

As long as i get a "decent answer" to that I'll give you all the help you want.

[dudu]

maybe the boy is young and doesn't know any better

[scumbag09]

How about buy some records

[trouble hifire]

How about buy some records

the young ones simply don't understand the true value of wax

[GrEnNo]

im not lookin for respect i just want good answers to my questions instead of this smartass shit its just wasting my time and your time. i dont care how stupid my questions may be . if you have nothing good to say then dont say anything at all


not wasting any of my time, im having fun:thumb:

[mixism]

Hey dude check out Ellaskins DJ Tutor video on how to put together a set, might be usefull to you.

http://www.djtutor.com/ellaskins/index.php

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

hahaha the dude has just finnished a dj couse ^^^

[cosmocork]

wah wahh wahh

[GrEnNo]

u want a tissue

[cosmocork]

nah its for you

[cosmocork]

anyone got any cool ideas of an effect to throw into an electro/house mix besides the usual flange/filter.. for example ive see people slow the song down heaps then bring it back up usin pitch control.. and also people movin the fader up n down real quick givin a wave effect...

any other ideas??

[cosmocork]

or maybe even a trick on the cdj 800's that people know of.. thanks..

[mcdoofus]

anyone got any cool ideas of an effect to throw into an electro/house mix besides the usual flange/filter.. for example ive see people slow the song down heaps then bring it back up usin pitch control.. and also people movin the fader up n down real quick givin a wave effect...

any other ideas??

Nothing wrong with leaving the flange turned on for your whole set. Sounds sick bruz

[idiotik]

i wonder what exactly they taught you to do in this dj course ...
take drugs and pose in front of the camera with the bitcheszzzz

[LMAC]

i swear to god hey. you can't beatmatch from the sound of things and you're worried about effects? do you think the positives of how good the effect sounds on the track will outweigh the negatives of how bad it sounds when you try to change tracks? do yourself a favour and ignore effects completely until you've learnt how to mix.

if you're serious about getting involved in this expensive hobby (unless you stole your gear too), learn how to do it properly from the get go otherwise i'll be seeing you over in the buying and selling forum to clean up on some cheap gear.

[Geoffo]

sad thing is most likely he'll probably end up in your club stealing your gigs

[mcdoofus]

And your flanger :(

[cosmocork]

your all fucking gay cunts fuck you alll you havent even heard me mix

[cosmocork]

fucking useless you cunts think your top shit best djs goin round

[mcdoofus]

:lol:

[macc4]

i accidently the whole thread

cosmo i poppped ya mums cork.

[cosmocork]

laugh it up maaaaaaaaaaate

[Violentine]

laugh it up maaaaaaaaaaate

we are. at you.

[southern_dan]

:lol:
i should of opened this thread earlier.

[macc4]

:lol:
i should of opened this thread earlier.

shall i entertain a guess as to why you didn't?

[southern_dan]

you shall!

[macc4]

you was in the blotter art thread?

[cosmocork]

someone close the thread

[cosmocork]

you cunts go through your whole life without asking questions?

[tiocore]

man..

i think someone needs a hug

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

First you do a dj course you haven’t learnt any thing from. Then you gone out and got your dirty little hands on a pair of cdj 800s that i bet you knew nothing about before you got them.

Then you abuse the shit out of people on a community that you, yourself are the one asking the stupid questions.

Then wanting to jump strait in to tricks not wanting to learn how to mix properly quoting my stupid V.C.E book. "We don’t need to hear you play we already will know what you sound like". MESTRO.

You want to now learn tricks before you can already mix. That is like going to the skate park before and doing tricks before you know how to ride a bike.

Dude STOP MAKING DEMANDS you do what you’re told on this site untill you earn your respect.

As mentioned before stay away from the effects stay away from doing any thing else. But getting even the basics of mixing i been mixing for almost a year and I still wouldn’t use the effects in a set. Although I have looked at some effects like the much joked about cdj 1000 synth loop effect. I wouldn’t use one in a set even if just starting.

Just keep practicing and reading and researching before posting. go and read the terms and conditions

Also looking forward to picking up some cheap gear when he gets board.

[mcdoofus]

^ Well said Chops :thumb:

[ferretrock]

Also looking forward to picking up some cheap gear when he gets board.

ouch. that hurts :D

[ferretrock]

the young ones simply don't understand the true value of wax

Heyheyhey. Don't be so hasty with your words.
All wax around here (and i'm only 21 this last week - mixing since last november).

It's not a cheap hobby - whatever way you look at it, but you should know that before you jump in. Music shouldn't be valueless

If you want a cheap hobby... i dunno - I don't think there are cheap hobbies. If you collect stamps properly you'll probably want all those monthly releases at about $50 a sheet.

To cosmo: You're a noob - understand that people will give you shit. You're only proving them correct with every step you take, so maybe think before you act in the future and save some face.

Beatmatch, beatmatch, beatmatch. Practise will make perfect.
If you're really into this, you'll put in the hours (it's the repetition - 4 days a week where you spend 40minutes each of those days is better than one 4 hour set) - if not, Choppy'll score some cheap gear.
You also don't have to bring the track in straight away once you've matched it - recue and play from where you want. You can bring in the new tune in the old tune's breakdown, but if it's already beatmatched it's more likely to sound 'right'.

Anyways dude - good luck, and try to quit it on the idiocy. Stick to the basics and you'll be on the right path.

[trouble hifire]

Heyheyhey. Don't be so hasty with your words.
All wax around here (and i'm only 21 this last week - mixing since last november).

good to hear :D

[southern_dan]

mmmmm wax

mixing since last November as well, wax only, its the only fucking way to start.

[GrEnNo]

cdj 1000 synth loop effect.

why they call it a synth i dont know, its just looping to a fine point while moving the pitch bend with the master tempo on


:slap:

[GrEnNo]

also cosmocork, when u playing in sydney......need to hear your fresh mixes:stroke: do some 800 effects noises and flange it all night long, love to see the reaction on ppl's faces :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS, wake the fuck up and have some manners, what do u think was gonna happen on a forum, grow a dick.

[southern_dan]

especially when dealing with a bunch of egotistical DJ's. :lol::P
welcome to the internet

ps. please learn to beat match, you will appreciate your gear a whole lot more, epically when you give yourself Goosebumps for the first time. So fucking good!

[b_bop]

First you do a dj course you haven’t learnt any thing from

I think it is safe to say he didn't do a DJ course. In his twisted little mind he thought saying it would give him some credibility though, like saying you have a forklift ticket when you rock up at a warehouse looking for work.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

lol ^
THERE NOT CALLING THE ART OF THE TRICK A SYNTH THERE CALLING WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.its not that hard. but yeh they could of named it some thing less conffusing for some

[GrEnNo]

^ should call it the cosmocork

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[southern_dan]

^ should call it the cosmocock

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
fixd

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

hahahaha lol x2

[RayVibes]

i just came here to laugh at the CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE posts ... now my brain hurts

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

currently loling at Rayvibes dignity nice location.

[RunningWithSisters]

hai chopsta!

[RayVibes]

currently loling at Rayvibes dignity nice location.


dun mess wid da bus bro !

[GrEnNo]

someone close the thread

u opened it

:slap:

[dudu]

[QUOTE=ferretrock]Beatmatch, beatmatch, beatmatch. Practise will make perfect.
If you're really into this, you'll put in the hours (it's the repetition - 4 days a week where you spend 40minutes each of those days is better than one 4 hour set) - if not, Choppy'll score some cheap gear.
You also don't have to bring the track in straight away once you've matched it - recue and play from where you want. You can bring in the new tune in the old tune's breakdown, but if it's already beatmatched it's more likely to sound 'right'.QUOTE]


I still don't get how to do this!
when i start to FF or RW the track to re-cue, I always forget where i'm at on the track. e.g. I want to cue up the final 16 beats of the incoming track, I'll lose it straight away and end up missing the drop by maybe 1 or 2 beats... Would be easier to play from the start of the phrase, then bring it on the final 16 beats?

my mixing is just basic mid>intro, or outro>intro and i wanna experiment more

any tips?

Will be greatly appreciated :)

cheers ferret for the newb advice btw

[RayVibes]

[QUOTE=ferretrock]

I still don't get how to do this!
when i start to FF or RW the track to re-cue, I always forget where i'm at on the track. e.g. I want to cue up the final 16 beats of the incoming track, I'll lose it straight away and end up missing the drop by maybe 1 or 2 beats... Would be easier to play from the start of the phrase, then bring it on the final 16 beats?




get to know your tracks

become familiar with their structure ... use your ears

... then you will know when to drop what where.

Once again it comes down to practice and putting in the hours.

[LMAC]

fucking useless you ****s think your top shit best djs goin round

dude you're doing this the stupid way. like a spoilt little child demanding something from it's mother then throwing a tantrum if they don't get it (even if they don't deserve it).

i'm sure most of the people that have commented in this thread could teach you from start to finish how to dj, and a fair few would be making regular money playing in clubs all over the country. people like deepchild, mark dynamix, mark james, etc all post on itm (sometimes). you can't stomp your way in here and order people to give you information when human nature would suggest that people are less inclined to help people who are being pricks to them.

i've learnt so much of what i know from itm users. everything from the different types of djing gear to the history of musical genres. music theory and straight up exposure to different recommended tracks/labels/artists. i would credit itm as being a major influence on the dj and music enthusiast i am today. i guess what i'm trying to say is you can get so much out of a network of like minded people such as itm, it'd be a shame for you to miss out because you couldn't be mature and give people a little respect.

[dudu]

here here.


I trolled EVERY single thread in the dj booth forum (so many threads reprised over and over again.. no wonder the older people on here get all jaded) to get info before asking anything.

Next on my list is to troll through the entire music production forum..

Cosmo, I say do the same as I did! only takes about a week an a half.

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

dun mess wid da bus bro !


You wanna fight? lol

[kasper_flip]

I trolled EVERY single thread in the dj booth forum.

trolled every thread eh... :stroke:

[GrEnNo]

here here.


I trolled EVERY single thread in the dj booth forum (so many threads reprised over and over again.. no wonder the older people on here get all jaded) to get info before asking anything.

Next on my list is to troll through the entire music production forum..

Cosmo, I say do the same as I did! only takes about a week an a half.


See u know how to approach your answers, hey Cosmoc@#t dudu has manners and wants to learn the propper way, good solid hard work, learn from him

[cosmocork]

alrite guys . id really appreciate a some good answers to this question.

id like to know how you guys use your time on your decks at home. do you just beatmatch from song to song and move on or do you try and put sets together or.. whatever id like to know how you guys do it.. thanks.

[b_bop]

Personally I beatmatch from song to song while being very very careful not to put a set together. Others all they do is play sets but that's not the right way to use your limited practice time in my opinion.

[cosmocork]

thanks bbop .

more ideas are appreciated. also someone in this thread told me earlier that when they put songs onto cds they put the songs in order of most likely to play to least likely.. would it also be a good idea to put the songs in order of bpm. for example make like 10 cds that have 126bpm then another 10 that are 127bpm and so on . ?

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

learn to beat match and that wont be a problem

[Funkedub]

for example make like 10 cds that have 126bpm then another 10 that are 127bpm and so on . ?


:lol:


1 BPM difference ?

I could understand compiling tracks that are 90-100BPM on one disc and tracks that are 125-130 on another ... but that kinda narrow narrow narrow range is hardly worth worrying about

[cosmocork]

yeh i know what you mean but im saying like what if your djing at a club.. and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm doesnt it mean you have to stay at that level for the rest of the night unless your able to do something to speed it down..?

like..isnt it good to know the bpms of your tracks if ur gona dj at a club so you can build it up slowly getting faster n faster... ?

[Funkedub]

yeh i know what you mean but im saying like what if your djing at a club.. and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm doesnt it mean you have to stay at that level for the rest of the night unless your able to do something to speed it down..?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/18/Technics_SL-1210MK2_pitch_control.jpeg/150px-Technics_SL-1210MK2_pitch_control.jpeg

[cosmocork]

LOL i know HOW TO USE the PITCH CONTROL im talking ABOUT what IF YOU dont want to go that fast if your like early in the niGHT

and if a tracks goin at 130bpm and u want to mix in a track thats 126bpm you cant make the 130bpm song slower while its playing know wat i mean you gotta make the 126bpm song faster ?

[Ducked]

Cosmo, in all seriousness, I think you just need to slow down a bit.

It's obvious you're enthusiastic and want things to work for you - which is a good thing. You also want all the answers here and now, which is both good and bad. I don't want to get all zen on you, but in life, the you will NEVER get all the answers to anything straight away. It all comes down to time, experience, and practice.

So yeah, what I'm trying to say, is that DJ'ing is like making love to a beautiful woman. First, you have to get them reallll smashed on agwa, which is the equivalent of setting up your equipment. Then you have to convince them you're a pilot and you earn $US220k per year, which is the equivalent of getting gigs. Then you have to forge your STD test papers, which is... ok, this metaphor isn't really helping.

Take some time, and slow down. The answers will come to you. The chances are that, unless you're of the 0.5% of the population that are unnaturally talented and wonderful at anything they try within the first minute of trying it out (how I hate those people), you're not going to be DJ'ing in clubs anytime soon. And it's all an art, not a science. There's no one proper way to do anything. You'll find out your own way to sort music, how to catalogue it, how to use effects properly (HINT: MINIMALLY), what tracks work with what, etc. If you have questions from time to time, ask away, but be respectful and don't expect it all to be handed to you on a platter. And I say this not to be abusive or a smartarse, but from some of your questions, you're wayyyy back at the beginner's end of the learning curve. So take a step back and a breath and start to absorb some knowledge. You'll get there.


Ninja edit: LONG POST IS LOOOONG

[Spectrum]

yeh i know what you mean but im saying like what if your djing at a club.. and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm doesnt it mean you have to stay at that level for the rest of the night unless your able to do something to speed it down..?


Wow. I'm not one to pile crap on people who might not understand a concept, but I gotta ask, what did they teach you at this DJ course you did?

[cosmocork]

here we go

all i wanted was an answer to my question

[GrEnNo]

this thread just gets better and better:lol: :lol: :lol:

nice work funkdub, always trust u with some humour:thumb:

little advice is go away and figure all this out yourself, thats what most of us did, thats what i did, there is really no right or wrong way of doing it .Everyone i know mixes differently to everyone else, its your own personal way, correct me if im wrong. Gather your music collection, if you have one (and no MOS CDs do not count), the way you feel is best accessible for you, once again there is no right or wrong answer.

once again it must of been a bad DJ course if they didnt teach u about the pitch/tempo control.:slap:

[cosmocork]

what u on about mate i know how to use the pitch control . duno where u pulled that from

what i mean by ( "and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm doesnt it mean you have to stay at that level for the rest of the night unless your able to do something to speed it down..?" ) is that when you match that 126bpm song to the 130bpm song the 126 will turn into 130 and the next song will have to be 130 and so on. and there fore you may have builded up to quick.

[cosmocork]

anyway i think ill just go off and learn everything by myself like they did back in the day

definately not getting any help here no matter how stupid or smart my questions seem to be.

[bussyboy]

...So yeah, what I'm trying to say, is that DJ'ing is like making love to a beautiful woman. First, you have to get them reallll smashed on agwa, which is the equivalent of setting up your equipment. Then you have to convince them you're a pilot and you earn $US220k per year, which is the equivalent of getting gigs. Then you have to forge your STD test papers, which is...


Gold - should have kept going with that. I was waiting for the ITB analogy :lol:

[GrEnNo]

what u on about mate i know how to use the pitch control . duno where u pulled that from

what i mean by ( "and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm doesnt it mean you have to stay at that level for the rest of the night unless your able to do something to speed it down..?" ) is that when you match that 126bpm song to the 130bpm song the 126 will turn into 130 and the next song will have to be 130 and so on. and there fore you may have builded up to quick.

:lol: u have so so soooo much to learn my friend,

and u still are being an arrogant prick, u didnt listen to me or Ducked.

maybe DJing is just not for you mate.

[Spectrum]

and ur goin at 126bpm then you accidently put on a track thats 130bpm

How?

When you would have already *slowed down* the native 130BPM track *before* mixing it into the 126BPM set....

...because that's what beat mixing is, right?


C'mon, you can't get cranky at us now for this.

[cosmocork]

woah i just noticed how stupid and badly worded that sounds lol sorry guys

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

a set dosnt have to progrecce by speed(bpm) from my understanding you can progress by what i call the intencity of the song. For example starting off with like funky house sort of chilled out stuff. that still could be 128 then through to house electro in the one set and each individual song can jump from 126 ish to like 132ish and just pitch adjust each song. you can have the hole set running at 128 beat per min but have songs ranging from 128 to 132 or some thing like that although i just once i finnish beat matching. slid the pitch adjust to its original pace.

[cosmocork]

hmmm sooo.... if the first song you play is 128bpm... does that mean its going to stay at that level all night cos your always beat matching to that level...

[Ducked]

hmmm sooo.... if the first song you play is 128bpm... does that mean its going to stay at that level all night cos your always beat matching to that level...

No, you can change the level if you want. Just remember - if your first track is running at 128 bpm, you'll mix the next track in at that speed too... and so on.

If you want to speed things up (which you can do, ever so gradually, through the night if you want) you can nudge the tempo up a little here and there.

But no, you're not "forced" to remain at one BPM - although you'll generally hover around that level anyway.

[cosmocork]

yeh thanks for that i actually learnt that from the dj course to start off with some chill songs then slowly build up with some massive tracks..then go back down for a bit .. then build up again.. haha

[Spectrum]

^^^ Yeah, you're totally excluding the possibility that one can tweak the pitch/BPM subtlety mid-track, thus creeping the BPM up/down in whichever direction you choose throughout the set.

Unless you mix exclusively funky electro prog house that everyone knows only runs at a single BPM anyways. ;)

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

ok i missed all the posts that just happened before posting omg what the fuck is this kid Doing, NOTHING IN LIFE ANLESS YOU ARE A LITTLE RICH BOY OR ARE REALLY GOOD LOOKING IS HANDED TO YOU NOTHING ITS NOT BACK IN THE DAY MATE IS FUCKEN HOW EVERY ONE IN EVERY THING YOU DO IS DONE, SO STOP BEING SUCH A WANKER.

[Ducked]

yeh thanks for that i actually learnt that from the dj course to start off with some chill songs then slowly build up with some massive tracks..then go back down for a bit .. then build up again.. haha

Set progression is more of a "feel" thing than something you learn technically (remember it being an art not a science)?

Some tracks can "feel" faster even though they're still running at the same BPM as every other track - it may be that they have busier percussive elements, or stacatto basslines, etc. So when your DJ course was teaching you about building things up and slowing down, I don't think they meant the tempo of the music - I would hazard a guess they were referring more to the feel of the track.

Here's what I mean - go to beatport.com (you know about beatport, yes?) - and look up a track called "Riko - Tokyo (Last Atlant Remix)". It sounds pretty sweet and chilled out, no? From memory this track runs at 128ish BPMs.

Then go look up D-Nox and Beckers - Memory Cell. It sounds a faster and more pacey - even though their BPM's are around the same.

See? Art. Feel. Making love to a beautiful woman. Falling into place?

[cosmocork]

alrite thanks ducked.

i just want to say this... im actually not as bad as a dj as u think i am. i just word stuff stupidly and makes me look like a dumb cu*t. i actually know how to beat match and mix the basic ways coz beat matching takes years to perfect i hear.
..ive been mixing a few different house/electro cds and i want to start building a cd collection from the songs i have...to start doin house parties and stuff .. any ideas...

[Funkedub]

.. any ideas...


don't play electro ?

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

find a high buiding and jump off and then leave in your will your gear to me

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

and stay the fuck away from lime wire

[GrEnNo]

post all your mixes on ITM for ppl to give feedback;)

buy your tracks, u have a long way to go my friend.

be friendly

and remember u will not be a SUPERSTAR DJ overnight

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

thats not him jking about putting your mixes up its a great way to get feed back and know if your a progressing in the right direction or are moving forward then you will have a log of your progresstion

[GrEnNo]

im actually not as bad as a dj as u think i am. i just word stuff stupidly and makes me look like a dumb cu*t.

no one on this thread will believe that,

maybe i think you should of taken english classes than DJ courses.:crazy:

[generalninja]

If u want to go from 130 to 126, move the pitch slider up.... if ur cd player/turntable doesnt have key lock/master tempo... then the pitch change will change the key. :slap:

[GrEnNo]

thats not him jking about putting your mixes up its a great way to get feed back and know if your a progressing in the right direction or are moving forward then you will have a log of your progresstion

:thumb:

[cosmocork]

how does master tempo work and is it good to use while beatmatching or not...

[generalninja]

don't play electro ?

to get my first gig, i had to play electro... in 2weeks, i went from trance prog minimal to electro and indie dance.

yes, the dark side has cookies.

[generalninja]

how does master tempo work and is it good to use while beatmatching or not...

master tempo locks the key that you are playing in, for example, the song u are playing is in Cmajor... and if slow the tempo down by moving the pitch slider up... it will change the key to a lower key and verse versa.... thats why u get the mickey mouse sound if u speed up the pitch.

so key lock/ master tempo = keeps the key the same when u move ur pitch/tempo.

its useful when u need to make 5%+- changes in pitch while ur mixing and not go out of key.

[cosmocork]

ohh k thanks

[mcdoofus]

master tempo locks the key that you are playing in, for example, the song u are playing is in Cmajor... and if slow the tempo down by moving the pitch slider up... it will change the key to a lower key and verse versa.... thats why u get the mickey mouse sound if u speed up the pitch.

so key lock/ master tempo = keeps the key the same when u move ur pitch/tempo.

its useful when u need to make 5%+- changes in pitch while ur mixing and not go out of key.

It also has the added benefit of making your music sound like total shit. I can't stand using master tempo, it does horrible things to the low-end and any sustained sounds in the music. Better to just use subtle adjustments when pitching up/down during a song.

[b_bop]

here we go

all i wanted was an answer to my question

Give us some of the tracks you are playing so we can get a better feel for your style and give you better advice.

[dudu]

thats not him jking about putting your mixes up its a great way to get feed back and know if your a progressing in the right direction or are moving forward then you will have a log of your progresstion


I've posted mixes up but never got feedback :(

I've just posted a new one, so we'll see how this one goes :)

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

yeah dont worry neather do i

[b_bop]

I've posted mixes up but never got feedback :(

I've just posted a new one, so we'll see how this one goes :)

If you don't put a tracklist with it nobody is going to bother downloading it, hence no feedback.

[macc4]

If you don't put a tracklist with it nobody is going to bother downloading it, hence no feedback.

true dat
also if you listen to other's mixes and give honest feedback, good chance they will return the favour.

[cosmocork]

alrite ill get a mix posted up in a few days , ive looked at a few videos on how to plug the mixer to the computer looks simple and do you have to buy that cable from like JB HI FI or somewhere ?

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

yeh there like 2 bucks at jb

[cosmocork]

damn i was just at jb :(

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

its just the same cord you would use as an ipod in to a stero

[cosmocork]

yeh another thing is im not sure it will reach that far cos i dont have a laptop and my comps probs 1-2 metres from the mixer ? lol

[dudu]

true dat
also if you listen to other's mixes and give honest feedback, good chance they will return the favour.


yeah figured i would have to start doing that, more appealing to the eyes with a tracklist.

Yeah i've only given feedback on peoples tracks.. yay mission tonight!

[CHOPPY_INDAHOUSE]

ohh come on dude. buy a bigger cord

[cosmocork]

haha

[Tha Gooch]

cosmocock which course did you do? I'd be asking for my money back....seriously

[cosmocork]

alrite ive connected the cord ... im trying to use sony acid pro 6 to record but have no idea.. anyone know how to do it ?

or an easier program to use to record..

[Funkedub]

^^^^

oh right ... tried reading the manual that came in the box ?

:ahoy:

PS: GTFO of DJing nao plz ^_^