Warmup DJs - Advice from a pro

[richcur]

Taken from Danny Howells' blog over the weekend, regarding his current Aus tour:

Only two days in, yet wondering what I'm doing here. It's not the crowds or the venues that's wrong, but I'm just curious as to what my purpose is.
I'm supposed to be promoting my Renaissance cd - if anyone's heard it, it's quite deep, and the tempo ranges from about 120 to 127 bpm. I don't know how I'm supposed to promote it or play remotely in that style when opening djs decide to play techno/trance at 132 bpm right before I go on.

Last night in Perth was a great example of a lost opportunity. Really cool, intimate club with a nice crowd. However, as I was walking in, the first track I heard was "The Man With The Red Face" being blasted at 132 bpm. This is not just ignorance, this is downright rude. If you're playing a support slot, you really need to have at least the vaguest idea of what the headline dj is going to play. After the promoter told this dj to "bring it down a bit", he brought the tempo down a notch. The music, however, was the kind of driving prog/trance that I imagine Armin Van Buuren plays. As a result I played a shorter set than I was supposed to. It was impossible to hold onto the energy that this guy had created, and so there was very little I could do musically.

I don't come down under very often, so it's a kick in the teeth when I'm forced into either banging the shit out of it all night thanks to the opener, or am forced into playing a reduced set time. I come here to do my best, and if I'm not being given the platform to do that, then I'm very sorry.

I'm talking to my agent about ensuring the rest of the tour goes to plan - if this means I have to do all the opening slots myself, then that's what I'll do.
Sorry to sound so grumpy, but I wanted to air this. Keeping my fingers crossed for the rest of the trip!

Danny x

[pomrocks]

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=236385

have a read of that.......;)

this is a pet peeve of mine atm....

tis 50% the promotor not communicating with the DJ's he's booked to warm up (espec for an INT)

plus 50% the Dj playing first...doesnt matter what sort of night it is, smashing it at 10pm does NOT work

[djman]

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=236385

this is a pet peeve of mine atm....



+1

Maybe we should send a copy to the clubs as well. I was at a launch on saturday night, where the first DJ was pumping out the big hits track after track, no build up and when the second DJ took over at 1.30am the place died, the DJ had little or no chance to maintain the momentum, by 3am there would have been about 20 people left in the club.

[Strech]

I was at the night.

Lets just say wrong venue for Danny to be playing at, this is your typical MOS annual sort of sound & crowd.

From what I can remember the DJ was banging it away but the people there are just used to it so i dont think he thought he was doing anything wrong.

I sensed something was up as when he came on he was about 20 mins late & then word got around that the DJ was bangin it to hard and Danny wouldnt come on until the music was more minimal.

He still came on and for that one hour built a good foundation of a set and I was ready for him to take it to go further into it but he just packed up his headphones after an hour and left.

Chatting to him he seemed really dissapointed, shame really hopefully next time he comes he plays at a better venue with a better promoter.

[Spicy]

what a soft cock, how long has he been DJing? and he wusses out when the crowd pack up on him?

ok.

edit: i should add before people start ruffling feathers, my comment is somewhat tongue in cheek, with a hint of truth still. (i.e. howells is a soft cock for bailing :P the opening DJ should really have done some research though.)

[ferretrock]

What a dumbcunt the warmup dude and the promoter were for not making it clear what the role of a warmup DJ is.
Definetely a peeve of mine, as well, if I were Howells though I would've just brought it down myself and then played into it... i'd rather he played an extra half hour than a half hour less.

[Strech]

I would've just brought it down myself and then played into it....


He did

He slowed it right down infact, you noticed the drop in bpms for sure. I rekon it went from around 129 to his first track at Im guessing around 123bpm. He built it up from there and yeh just when you thought he was going to delve deeper he was packing his cans in

Ahh well

:meh:

[Spicy]

out of curiosity, who was the DJ before howells? i bet he's feeling sorry as fuck when he read this hehe.

[johnjay]

so who was the warmup dj?

[D4Dirty]

your all quick to blame the warm up DJ, but who organised this event? who did the set times? you dont hire a DJ without hearing their work, and why the hell would you have MOS type DJ's opening for a minimal DJ?

[daveyjaye]

:lol: danny howells isnt a minimal DJ

and yes it is the warm up dj's fault.

If you're warming up for an international who is promoting his new cd, you think you'd warm up for that style.

it is just plain ignorant, disrespectful and rude for a dj to play in that fashion.

[youngman]

A while ago I saw Sander Kleinenberg at Home on the same night as Junkie XL. Junkie played an hour live, absolutely smashed it out - was jumping on top of the DJ booth and carrying on like a rock star - it was awesome.

Sander then came on and basically started again. BPM slowed right down and for a while it seemed that the night was never going to get any better - about an hour and a half later he just really built it into a killer set.

Different DJs, different circumstances - my point is that a warm up DJ absolutely needs to be mindful of their role. They are (usually) being paid to do a job and that is to lay a platform for the headline act. However, a quality DJ should also be able to recover and deliver a good night.

[dkolonic]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!

[D4Dirty]

:lol: danny howells isnt a minimal DJ

and yes it is the warm up dj's fault.

If you're warming up for an international who is promoting his new cd, you think you'd warm up for that style.

it is just plain ignorant, disrespectful and rude for a dj to play in that fashion.

prog tech house whatever thats not my point... ignorant DJ's or not a promoter should know what to expect for each DJ and pull them inline if they are screwing with the night.

[Spicy]

fair enough, maybe it was just the wrong venue and wrong crowd for howells then.

[BBC]

I disagree Dirty, if you are opening for an international, it doesn't matter who you are, you do some homework. To hear 'Man With A Red Face' before 12 would be a joke, doesn't matter who you are supporting!

It can happen the other way too, when you build up a nice set, and the next DJ comes on, pulls your last track up half way through and rips the ass out of what you had built for the whole night with something totally inappropriate. Happened twice over the weekend. At least when this happened for the second time, EVERYONE left the room, which felt quite good actually.

[D4Dirty]

I disagree Dirty, if you are opening for an international, it doesn't matter who you are, you do some homework. To hear 'Man With A Red Face' before 12 would be a joke, doesn't matter who you are supporting!

It can happen the other way too, when you build up a nice set, and the next DJ comes on, pulls your last track up half way through and rips the ass out of what you had built for the whole night with something totally inappropriate. Happened twice over the weekend. At least when this happened for the second time, EVERYONE left the room, which felt quite good actually.

Fair enough, i mean that is what should happen. But the whole sit could be avoided by knowing the DJ's you are hiring and keeping tabs with how you want your night to go right?

[ferretrock]

^hahaha... nothing better to prove that you can warm up a room.

Personally ,while I can understand that the warmup slot was late (12-1:30), KNOWING WHAT Howells plays I wouldn't have gone near 128bpm (it would be pretty rare for me to play that fast anyway, but that's besides the point).

[mashedman]

This is the thing that really shits me most about a lot of club nights. But my main problem is the cunts that get on and just smash out whatever they want. It really isn't hard to make a little effort to find out the sort of thing the DJ playing after you will be playing, let alone when it's fucking Danny Howells promoting a Renaissance mix. How embarrassing for Australia, i hope whoever it was sees what was said and learns something.

[pomrocks]

I disagree Dirty, if you are opening for an international, it doesn't matter who you are, you do some homework. To hear 'Man With A Red Face' before 12 would be a joke, doesn't matter who you are supporting!

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if you're a promotor who's booked an international, which wouldnt be cheap, you'd at least have a chat with all the people playing......:slap:

[dkolonic]

Danny Howells Can Have A Table Spoon Of Cement And Harden The Fuk Up!!

Bloody Cry Baby....

[pomrocks]

Danny Howells Can Have A Table Spoon Of Cement And Harden The Fuk Up!!

Bloody Cry Baby....

i'd be interested in hearing what you played then....

[YossarianIsSane]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!

You guys tend to play a more MOS orientated sound from the times i've been there. I think your definition of 'down a notch' is probably a little different to Howells.

However I think it's probably more the promoter's fault than anyone else's, I'd be pretty surprised if anyone at frisk played a mellow enough warm up set. Wrong venue, wrong crowd (For the most part I think).

[ferretrock]

man, he played all these fully sik tracks that had the house rocking!

WASN'T YOUR JOB! Warming the room was your job

Yup - venue/promoter choice is a big one. I for one am worried about this coming week for Howells at laundry... again - I think they bang it out too hard, too early there...

[mashedman]

Danny Howells Can Have A Table Spoon Of Cement And Harden The Fuk Up!!

Bloody Cry Baby....
yeah i'm sure you've got mad dj skillz.

Out of interest ever listened to a Renaissance mix?

Apparently Danny asked for the Drake as he has warmed up for him before, so i think he knows whats what.

[Chach]

Wrong venue

There's nothing wrong with that room, its a rectangular room with a good dj box and a good dancefloor and a good soundsystem and its the oldest dance music club in Perth, the perth scene was born there.

[liseyt]

and some might say died there too...

[YossarianIsSane]

There's nothing wrong with that room, its a rectangular room with a good dj box and a good dancefloor and a good soundsystem and its the oldest dance music club in Perth, the perth scene was born there.

I wasn't meaning to imply the room was shit, it isn't. Wrong club night was probably a better term.

[Chach]

and some might say died there too...

Yeah we'll see about that Dec 12 when Robert Babicz and Audiofly tear it a new one.

[Tha Gooch]

sook much Howells?

[dkolonic]

he refused to come on....

[Benald]

Danny Howells Can Have A Table Spoon Of Cement And Harden The Fuk Up!!

Bloody Cry Baby....


are you DJ Kolonic?

[ac1d3o3]

Danny Howells Can Have A Table Spoon Of Cement And Harden The Fuk Up!!

Bloody Cry Baby....

In my opinion Danny Howells can cry all he wants. Hes the headline act and therefore everyone before him (including yourself) should respect his style and what he is going to play. As a warm up dj your suppose to warm up for Danny, not smash out all the current hits. There are a lot of ways to keep the energy and vibe flowing without destroying the headliners set.

Did you even listen to Dannys new cd? If you did, you should know that you shouldnt be playing "Man with a red face" before Danny. Have some fucking respect for the man. Stop being a defensive prick and take everyones criticisms on board and play the right tracks at the right time.

[pomrocks]

what he said..........

[YossarianIsSane]

he refused to come on....

Congratulations! In just a few short posts you have lost any respect I had for you. Instead of explaining what you played and why, in a coherent manner, you have rambled a whole lot of crap about how nothing is your fault and how someone with a valid point, albeit overly dramatised, needs to harden the fuck up. Can you see how this might be a problem?

[b_bop]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...!

Tracklist please

[Al_Mac]

are you DJ Kolonic?

threads gone all anal! :violins:

[DANCINGDI]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!
You really don't think your attitude is professional do you?? The position he put you in ????? you were hired to do a specific job and you blew it. I sincerely hope any one that hires you the future has a good hard look at what they want.

Although with that name they should have had a clue :lol:

[macc4]

Seems like they all fucked up.
Kolonic should have known his role as a support dj
Promoter should have made sure kolonic knew his role
Danny Howell sounds as if he had a pre-planned set, and cracked the shits cos he couldn't use it.

[pete_mac]

Danny Howell sounds as if he had a pre-planned set, and cracked the shits cos he couldn't use it.

Seeing as it's a tour to promote Danny's latest CD, do you really think he should be expected to bang out a set which is totally different to the genre of the CD just because the warm-up DJ dropped the ball? Methinks not. I'd be fucking disappointed if I was in Danny's shoes too. If it was a normal tour then perhaps he wouldn't care as much, but he's entitled to be pissed given that it's a CD promo tour.

I'm praying that Jeff Drake holds back a bit this coming Saturday.

[mashedman]

Pre-planned, more like he's there to to promote a cd and so wanted to play something similar to what the cd is. That is what he was there to do, DJ Kolonic will probably put on his myspace bio how he supported Danny Howells

[Dr Bones]

am i the only one who thinks it's a wee bit out of taste him crying about this publicly while he's on tour?

[DANCINGDI]

^^^Well you should be !! :lol: Djs are human as well:lol:

Update on Danny's Blog

Sunday, November 02, 2008


Previous blog ..

I deleted it ... no point being angry about stuff.
Gotta move on and be positive!!

Danny x

[macc4]

Seeing as it's a tour to promote Danny's latest CD, do you really think he should be expected to bang out a set which is totally different to the genre of the CD just because the warm-up DJ dropped the ball? Methinks not. I'd be fucking disappointed if I was in Danny's shoes too. If it was a normal tour then perhaps he wouldn't care as much, but he's entitled to be pissed given that it's a CD promo tour.

I'm praying that Jeff Drake holds back a bit this coming Saturday.

i see that you have context issues and have earned my pity.

how hard would it have been for him to drop 10 bpm over say two or three tracks?
or could have let the support dj's last track play out, introduce himself to the crowd and start with whatever he had planned.

i never said anything about different genres so not sure what you on about there.
point i was making was that they were all at fault.
he should've stopped complaining and just got on with his job

[COZMOFO]

Seeing as it's a tour to promote Danny's latest CD, do you really think he should be expected to bang out a set which is totally different to the genre of the CD just because the warm-up DJ dropped the ball? Methinks not. I'd be fucking disappointed if I was in Danny's shoes too. If it was a normal tour then perhaps he wouldn't care as much, but he's entitled to be pissed given that it's a CD promo tour.

I'm praying that Jeff Drake holds back a bit this coming Saturday.

i had no idea danny howells was even promoting his new cd ?

[Senate]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!

wtf...? i think you're a little bit confused. you were there to support him and his music. not the other way around.

[Laundry]

man, he played all these fully sik tracks that had the house rocking!

WASN'T YOUR JOB! Warming the room was your job

Yup - venue/promoter choice is a big one. I for one am worried about this coming week for Howells at laundry... again - I think they bang it out too hard, too early there...


i dont think you have ever really listened to the warm up sets done at the Laundry for international artists by your comment

our djs are all professional who warm up for ithe biggest & best international acts every single week & have been doing warm ups for djs like Danny for 5-10 years & we always recieve great feedback from every artists about the warm ups (hence why we got voted in the top 100 clubs in the world by the actual djs who have played at the club)

jeff drake who is warming up for Danny Howells at Laundry has warmed up for Danny on 3 previous australian tours & is a personal favourite & friend & of Danny ,

Jeff has done warm up for spots before all the big progressive artists in particular the Renaissance artists such as Dave seaman , Nick Warren , James Zabiela , Nic Fanciulli, Sasha , Deep Dish for around 10 years and on more than one occassion

this will also be the 4th time i have promoted Danny Howells so i think we are pretty clued up on what is needed

i find your comment pretty stupid

[pete_mac]

i see that you have context issues and have earned my pity.

how hard would it have been for him to drop 10 bpm over say two or three tracks?
or could have let the support dj's last track play out, introduce himself to the crowd and start with whatever he had planned.


He could have done that, but it would be a band-aid solution that would completely fuck up the musical flow of the night. Proper warm-up set FTW.

[seen006]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!



:what:

wow mate.. why didnt you headline the night.. you obviously are such an amazing dj with so much respect for headlining acts... i guess you dropped all the top 10 lists from beatport (that suited) and thought it was awesome..

act professional... ive supported a few big names in my short time on the scene... play something warming... not boiling.. really easy


and we are all mostly friendlyish here.. but when you cant admit that you were in fault.. not even a little.. well that just pisses me off just a touch


so listen to what some of these guys are saying in the forum.. they may know a little as well..but what you have said above.. makes you look a little childish..

was this your first big name you have supported perhaps?

[Ugin]

Surely its far more the fault of the promoter for getting a DJ such as Kolonic to play before Danny. Had the promoter hired a prog DJ to play the warm up set then there would have been no issue.

The theme of the any nite should always be in line with the style the headliner, esp an international of his stature.

And the comment that Kolonic made about 125bpm being rediculous for that time of nite is such an ignorant comment. That bpm is normal for prog and tech house which is what should have been played before danny.

[Euphoria85]

personally i think jeff drake is a a very good and professional dj and he knows his role... someone of howells calibre and skills will obvioulsy will have a hand in who and what type of music he wants to be played before hand...

laundry has always had a music first policy and that it why it continues to be a great club...and the world knows it..

sydney hence australia has lost the art of the warm up... the only decent warm up i heard was robbie lowe at tiesto in the horden...

damn shame... as the saying goes ''sydney needs and anema''

[macc4]

He could have done that, but it would be a band-aid solution that would completely fuck up the musical flow of the night. Proper warm-up set FTW.

ideally, yes proper warm-up set FTW
but what actually happened was;
wrong warm-up, bitch and moan, start set late,
play short set, bitch and moan on internet blog,
delete blog after realising he sounds like a dick.

you cant support an artistic hernia using your oral cavity,
but a well placed band-aid may provide temporary relief.

[ferretrock]

i dont think you have ever really listened to the warm up sets done at the Laundry for international artists by your comment

i find your comment pretty stupid
I was there last week for Deetron, and I've been there many times before (and actually spoken to you, personally), but anyway, that's all fairly unimportant.

It's not only your own club, many of the bigger clubs are guilty of hitting it too hard for warmup. Oh, and by the way, Matt did a smashing job of playing warmup for Deetron (I'll still whinge about it being too loud, though)... unlike many of the warmup sets of heard at Laundry, he really did put me in the mood and didn't peak too much, just built up the vibe.

Jeff Drake has the experience and know-how to pull off a solid warmup, but some guys just don't seem to, or seem to be out there to impress mates by playing the hottest tunes - again not the role of the warm-up dude... Keep it cool and pull people to the floor.

[Sudz]

The main problem was it is a shit club for Howells, those in Perth will know the usual cliental at Frisk on a Sat night. Rough 10-20% would know who Howells was.

Come to think of it when Kolonic was banging out his tunes 90% of the crowd would have thought he was the headline DJ's.

[ferretrock]

sydney hence australia has lost the art of the warm up... the only decent warm up i heard was robbie lowe at tiesto in the horden...
Kate Doherty, Virginia Le, Murat, Andrew Wowk, John Deveccis, Deepchild (and many others) - All guys that i've seen warm a room up very nicely. It mostly only gets problematic when your night is only 5 hours long (as in the cave), so people think you've got to bang from start to finish.

[Laundry]

I was there last week for Deetron, and I've been there many times before (and actually spoken to you, personally), but anyway, that's all fairly unimportant.

It's not only your own club, many of the bigger clubs are guilty of hitting it too hard for warmup. Oh, and by the way, Matt did a smashing job of playing warmup for Deetron (I'll still whinge about it being too loud, though)... unlike many of the warmup sets of heard at Laundry, he really did put me in the mood and didn't peak too much, just built up the vibe.

Jeff Drake has the experience and know-how to pull off a solid warmup, but some guys just don't seem to, or seem to be out there to impress mates by playing the hottest tunes - again not the role of the warm-up dude... Keep it cool and pull people to the floor.


oh cool well thats good to hear , then you shoud know full well than that the gig at Laundry will be fine

your comment is very broad though & a lot of djs dont do good warm ups for internationals , which is why i always get the guys who do the best jobs consistently to do them

glad to heear you liked Matts set , he is learning to become a good warm up dj

i dont know people by their in the mix user names

[ferretrock]

i dont know people by their in the mix user names
hahah - quite alright - from memory I mostly just commented on the music being good , but too fucking loud for my ears.
It seems the aircon in the Cave is better than it used to be, also:?

[Deepchild]

Oh Lord, i totally feel for Danny - have had similar experiences SO many times. I wonder if its not related to some alpha-male dj shizzle - having to prove your testosterone levels by smashin' out as hard as you can. It's awful, it's selfish and it bears no consideration for the overall nights experience.

And, unfortunately, Australian audiences can lack a bit of patience for the slow-build of a club-night...I did a show recently at a lovely space called The Custard Factory in Birmingham, along with Dan Ghenacia from Freak'n'Chic....the dj before him (he rammed it out SO hard that there really was only a dip in energy levels to follow)...the crowd was burnt out by the end of the warmup djs set, and Dan was really thrown off...I was playing live after Dan, by which stage the crowd had pretty much lost all interest. Was so awful. AWFUL. But worse, I'd say for Dan, because he was left there with this brutal warmup dj and so few options (he's not known as a bollixy hard-core minimal techno vampire!)

...and on the flip....djing with Jesse Rose (obviously he can belt out a fair few wompers) in Berlin. Jesse was like, "Rick....just play whatever you want. Disco, dub". I felt SO touched, and i must admit, it rekindled my love for the warmup set - which can be a GREAT part of the night.

I fear the up and comer djs are almost 'sold' this idea of djing as the guy who's gotta be in the spotlight the whole time, womping out a 60 minute set of party anthems. But djing can be SO much more....so many of my fav sets as a punter have been longer, slower, deeper sets which seduce, rather than date-rape a crowd. Ahem...

And, as a dj, warmups can be such wiiiikid experiences - more room, often, to go a little deeper, more experimental....I still love playing them when i can :)

Trinity, Simon Caldwell, Schwa, Nathan Maclay, Jimie Polar and Jamie Lloyd - to name just a few - are my local heros for this reason. They can warm up a room really well, and they have so much respect for the greater flow of a night....

[Deepchild]

...and on the topic of Murat...

I heard him warming up his stage at Earthdance, and was so happily surprised - coming into the park to the strains of some really warm, deep-house. Perfect....more than just a techno-fiend, to be sure.

Then theres Claire Morgan....I could go on and on and on.

Perhaps we should put on a night called "warmup". Hehe.

[Laundry]

hahah - quite alright - from memory I mostly just commented on the music being good , but too fucking loud for my ears.
It seems the aircon in the Cave is better than it used to be, also:?


make sure you let me know who you are this weekend

everything has been upgreaded in the venue aircon , additional fans

and the sound system has had the biggest upgreade whicch cost big dollars

you dont get the loudness it used to have , its bigger & fuller sound & the djs dont need to push the system at all

[LLsparks]

^ good to hear.

I am immensely looking forward to this weekend :)

[ehcoroche]

the drake warmup ftw!!

[jazzyd]

Its not the DJ's fault, the responsibility falls squarely on the organiser.. If you are getting Danny to do a Renaissance style set you would surely organise all the DJ's for the night to be similar. You wouldn't expect Paul Olkenfield to warm up for Dimitri from Paris for instance. Its up to the organiser to set the expectation and arrange the right person for the job. I don't think we should be bashing dkolonic, who in his own right may be a budding international (what ever that means) himself..

[Chach]

Its not the DJ's fault, the responsibility falls squarely on the organiser.. If you are getting Danny to do a Renaissance style set you would surely organise all the DJ's for the night to be similar. You wouldn't expect Paul Olkenfield to warm up for Dimitri from Paris for instance. Its up to the organiser to set the expectation and arrange the right person for the job. I don't think we should be bashing dkolonic, who in his own right may be a budding international (what ever that means) himself..

Yes and the touring agent who obviously hasn't done his due diligence.

[kloseline]

man you took it down from 128 to 125. damnit how did the crowd react. i reckon the party was over then...

[AlexPwns]

hey guys..it was ME!! and to be honest im not feeling the slightest bit sorry for myself at all...danny howells is a world class dj and should have been able to deal with the situation in a much more profesional manner!! i was on 12 - 130..the club was packed, full of energy like it is every weekend...i think i did a reasonable job maintaining the room...not once did i play any techno/trance or did my bpm go anywhere near 132..infact i maintained it at 128 then in the last 20 min brought it right down to 125 which i personally think is rediculous for that time of the night!! i respect what he does and have always been a fan..but i was pretty disappointed in the position he put me in!!!

Which version of the man with the red face did you play?

[ferretrock]

and the sound system has had the biggest upgreade whicch cost big dollars

you dont get the loudness it used to have , its bigger & fuller sound & the djs dont need to push the system at all
Yep - was noticably cleaner in the midrange, but IMO still too loud in the cave (definetely for the first half of warmup).

Murat surprised me too.. I'd only seen him play peak time or closing sets, and then I heard him play a warmup or two and was like "Woah... he can play tech-house at 124bpm?" Was good shit.
Trinity was another that surprised me... I was used to hearing her play wompy minimal peaktime shit, and then heard her do a warmup at a baggage. Good shit. :thumb:
I think the Future Classic and Mad Racket boys are the kings of it, of course - bar gigs give you alot of practise at bringing on the mood.

[COZMOFO]

Which version of the man with the red face did you play?
he played normal version of it

all i know is that i would of preffered a banging set before tim delluxe's last visit to perth as that night failed to produce any energy :)

[youngman]

everything has been upgreaded in the venue aircon , additional fans

and the sound system has had the biggest upgreade whicch cost big dollars

you dont get the loudness it used to have , its bigger & fuller sound & the djs dont need to push the system at all

I really noticed the difference a couple of weeks back at Michael Cassette. The sound was tuned really nicely and it was not that hot.

[Chach]

he played normal version of it

I'm assuming to you Sandi that would be the Mark Knight/Funkagenda version :P

[ekwipt]

Best thread of the year

[AlexPwns]

he played normal version of it

all i know is that i would of preffered a banging set before tim delluxe's last visit to perth as that night failed to produce any energy :)

Normal version?

Laurent Garnier original or the Mark Knight and Spunkagenda remake?

If the later he wants shooting.

[Spicy]

sydney hence australia has lost the art of the warm up... the only decent warm up i heard was robbie lowe at tiesto in the horden...lmfao! are you saying sydney is the only place in australia where music exists or something?

come down to melbourne for howells tomorrow. rolling connection on before howells. you'll see what warming up means ;)

[COZMOFO]

I'm assuming to you Sandi that would be the Mark Knight/Funkagenda version :P

nah i just asked the punk earlier today he said was just the normal remix :)

[Laundry]

I really noticed the difference a couple of weeks back at Michael Cassette. The sound was tuned really nicely and it was not that hot.


that was still the old system on the night of Michael Cassette

the new system has been in since the last weekend in september

[pomrocks]

normal remix :)

:slap:

[lowlife]

your all quick to blame the warm up DJ, but who organised this event? who did the set times? you dont hire a DJ without hearing their work, and why the hell would you have MOS type DJ's opening for a minimal DJ?

Since when the fuck was Howells a minimal dj?!?!?!??!?!?

[lowlife]

Seems like they all fucked up.
Kolonic should have known his role as a support dj
Promoter should have made sure kolonic knew his role
Danny Howell sounds as if he had a pre-planned set, and cracked the shits cos he couldn't use it.


Pre-planned set? :lol: Tosser......

[Deepchild]

bar gigs give you alot of practise at bringing on the mood.

yes yes and yes. Amazing how many of us started (and still try to maintain) a bar-set presence before becoming more emersed in clubland. Jimmy Polar and Jamie Lloyd being 2 of our more spectacular exports in this respect - as well as serious tech-weapons when asked to be.

It's where Will Saul and so many other of my peers cut their teeth...and their silky mixing skills...

There's a tonne of amazing bar-only djs out there who would rip clubland to shreds, but aren't interested in some of the politics which come along with it all....infact, the more I think about it, the more spring to mind ;) Again, the Telefunken boyz first turned my head because (initially) i think i'd had them pigeon-holed and big-electro tune cats (my ignorance)...how wrong, so very wrong was i...totally flexible djs, with dope taste. And yes, as mentioned about - John Devvechis being another one who's totally bowled me over. Damn. So solid. So flexible. So knowledgable, and SO generous as warm-up djs...real 'listeners' as djs....

IMO a warmup dj would do well to play themselves down a little too - like a support act for a band...keep the kids on their toes a little, acheing for the main act :)

I think that it's a warmup djs responsibility to understand a little of the angle of the main-set dj they are supporting (I say this from a history of lessons personally learned through mistakes!)...

I also think that doing some research about who you're supporting and how they're likely to play, is what can make being a professional dj so rewarding in a deeper sense...having said this, rough-experiences are a good way to learn. I cringe at some of my poor choices in years gone by. Don't tell anyone though.

[JeremySuric]

Since when is "the man with the red face a peak time tune" haha.....u cant expect to play 125bpm at Frisk on a saturday night....Kolonic wouldnt of even had tunes that are much below 126......yeah maybe he could of researched the current renaissance album, but im pretty sure Danny howells was abit more banging in previous years before minimal took hold,

"And the comment that Kolonic made about 125bpm being rediculous for that time of nite is such an ignorant comment. That bpm is normal for prog and tech house which is what should have been played before danny" - 125 is not normal at Frisk,,,,if He played that at this club, the crowd would have disrespected him even as a warmup DJ,

Just not a good venue for Danny Howells in the end....Kolonic would have had alot heavier bangers than "The man with the red face" in his bag..........its very VERY VERY possible to take it deeper from that track....a good DJ can slow that shit down and build it back,........it would just suck for Howells bcuz he knew he had work to do

[AlexPwns]

Since when is "the man with the red face a peak time tune" haha.....u cant expect to play 125bpm at Frisk on a saturday night....Kolonic wouldnt of even had tunes that are much below 126......yeah maybe he could of researched the current renaissance album, but im pretty sure Danny howells was abit more banging in previous years before minimal took hold,

"And the comment that Kolonic made about 125bpm being rediculous for that time of nite is such an ignorant comment. That bpm is normal for prog and tech house which is what should have been played before danny" - 125 is not normal at Frisk,,,,if He played that at this club, the crowd would have disrespected him even as a warmup DJ,

Just not a good venue for Danny Howells in the end....Kolonic would have had alot heavier bangers than "The man with the red face" in his bag..........its very VERY VERY possible to take it deeper from that track....a good DJ can slow that shit down and build it back,........it would just suck for Howells bcuz he knew he had work to do

The Mark "tool room's biggest tool" Knight and Spunkagenda remake is peak time stuff IMHO.

And when has Danny Howells been a minimal DJ, I'd say deep/prog/tech/techno

[BBC]

Since when is "the man with the red face a peak time tune" haha.....u cant expect to play 125bpm at Frisk on a saturday night....Kolonic wouldnt of even had tunes that are much below 126......yeah maybe he could of researched the current renaissance album, but im pretty sure Danny howells was abit more banging in previous years before minimal took hold,

"And the comment that Kolonic made about 125bpm being rediculous for that time of nite is such an ignorant comment. That bpm is normal for prog and tech house which is what should have been played before danny" - 125 is not normal at Frisk,,,,if He played that at this club, the crowd would have disrespected him even as a warmup DJ,

Just not a good venue for Danny Howells in the end....Kolonic would have had alot heavier bangers than "The man with the red face" in his bag..........its very VERY VERY possible to take it deeper from that track....a good DJ can slow that shit down and build it back,........it would just suck for Howells bcuz he knew he had work to do

Oh my god!!! Are you kidding? For example, what could of been bigger than 'Man With A Red Face'? Do you even know what your saying?

This club sounds terrible! 125 is not that slow, drop it to 110 and see what they say!

Honestly, like Deepchild said, you know who your supporting, do a little research! Just because the crowd usually goes mental to big room at 12 o'clock, doesn't mean that's how Danny is going to play! I can't believe people are defending the DJ. Just because you play a usual style, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to adapt.

If you wanna see a warm up, drop into my party in Tokyo. The DJ get's 3 hours to do as he/she pleases. Last party, DJ Maty played. He started around 110BPM with some funk, some hip hop and slowly progressed into around 125 with some disco and house. Now that was a fucking warm up! Never once was the crowd bored or over come. It was an honor to follow that kind of set!

[Euphoria85]

lmfao! are you saying sydney is the only place in australia where music exists or something?

come down to melbourne for howells tomorrow. rolling connection on before howells. you'll see what warming up means ;)

of course not.. im just based in sydney so im givin sydney biased opinions,

dude i respect all the locals that can warm up... the djs mentioned dont get enough credit.. but when you get a dickhead wanna be dj loser who's warm up is big house/electro house...then you have to feel for the main act..

perfect example was spring fest at roxy last month or so.... i went as a its across the road and the weather was great... from 2 till midnight.... i heard, infinity, show me love and all the commercial house crap about 10 times... for truth!

every dj that was billed, played like they were the headliners.... tenzin, john glover (played a good set), tass, funky punks.... all tried to out do eachother...

tenzin had the 2nd last set before funky punks closed... he built the set so high up that the intenstity dropped 5 fold when the funky punks came on... tenzin's aural aids gave me blocked ears for 2 days straight.... i thought the fuckin speakers were going to blow... couple that will timmy trumpet going off at full blast... very awful...

[AlexPwns]

tenzin had the 2nd last set before funky punks closed... he built the set so high up that the intensity dropped 5 fold when the funky punks came on... tenzin's aural aids gave me blocked ears for 2 days straight.... i thought the fuckin speakers were going to blow... couple that will timmy trumpet going off at full blast... very awful...

Oh wow, I'm surprised your not in therapy after the sounds of that. {:-(

[quantum8]

....so many of my fav sets as a punter have been longer, slower, deeper sets which seduce, rather than date-rape a crowd. Ahem...

:lol:

now i've heard it all...date rape a crowd...love it :lol:


it does seem to be a fine art that's lost on a lot of dj's...everyone wants to be the centre of attention :meh:

[Radic]

Seems like they all fucked up.
Kolonic should have known his role as a support dj
Promoter should have made sure kolonic knew his role
Danny Howell sounds as if he had a pre-planned set, and cracked the shits cos he couldn't use it.

this sounds about right. Good thread though. I'm sure many people reading this will have learn't something :)

[v904]

it does seem to be a fine art that's lost on a lot of dj's...everyone wants to be the centre of attention :meh:

:~( but true...


QUOTE=Radic]this sounds about right. Good thread though. I'm sure many people reading this will have learn't something :)[/QUOTE]

Dont think anyones learnt anything; most people here already seem to understand the importance of playing to their position, and the others seem content being stubborn in their ignorance

[joeyk]

Yeah i feel for the headliner, if he came there to promote his CD and he couldnt really do it because the warmup dj played to hard, then thats the dj's falt. If your warming up to a headliner you should take some responsibility and check out his style. Its great being centre of attention and banging big tunes but sometimes you have to put your ego to the side and think about your fellow dj's.

I warmup every Friday and Saturday night 8 to 11pm in a trance room playing house music no more than 130bpm. There is a trance dj on after me, so i can go pretty hard for house music. But i do start of with a soft energy and build the energy up, the last hour is quite intense for house music, but the set is very layered. So by the end of the set everyone is just craving for the trance dj and some 140bpm.

[ferretrock]

House - 130bpm? Does not compute?! ASPLODE

[Mad Rooster]

sydney hence australia has lost the art of the warm up...

Speak for your own country bumpkin town, tossbag. Sydney hence Australia... WTF?

[Downpressorman]

Welcome to the deadmau5 generation of dj's.

[thomo_113]

Haha all i can say is i reckon everyone should just forget about what has happened... Obviously someone was in the wrong, who cares, hopefully they'll learn from it...

Lets just leave it up to Brisbane to show Danny Howells how its done on friday night!!!!! Bump n Funk and Drop know what they're doing, he'll be able to smash it at empire! Hopefully anyway...

[JeremySuric]

1)im just defending the DJ, because i know him and he can play a good warm up set, hes done it many times before
2)YES he defenitly should have looked into it before he played
3)you guys may have awesome parties in tokyo but you dont know what the perth scene is like, he should have been picked up by other promoters
3)YES "Man with the redface" can be a peaktime tune,but its not so epic that you cant bring it back....
4)Remember Frisk is like the Onelove or MOS of Perth,,,u cant play a 110bpm set there,theres adapting and then theres being totally out of range
5)I would defenitly have agreed with you guys if i didnt know the circumstances

[jazzyd]

Sounds like it would be a good challenge bringing a set back down to 120bpm over 1.5 hrs in the Renaissance style from "Man with the Red Face" ..

[rowdworx]

The art of the warm up set is something I really appreciate. The nights I run I always really focus on the flow of music through the night and soon enough you realise what dj's can play a good warm up and which ones just want to go for the glory before midnight.

It is really an art that I respect. You can notice the difference in crowd reaction when the music builds, by 3am when the big tunes come on, the crowd loves it.

When I go to nights where there is no warm up, the crowd is tired by the time the headliner comes on.

[Dub DeLay]

Man With a Red Face.

Now that's cutting edge.

[AlexPwns]

Thread should be moved to Classics IMHO

[D4Dirty]

Since when the fuck was Howells a minimal dj?!?!?!??!?!?

since i said he was lol.

fixed up in later post guess you didnt read

[groovewell]

I have certainly learnt a bit from this thread. Coming from a producers perspective I didn't realise there was so much happening over in DJ land.

Much respect to you guys that slug it out week in week out..

[b_bop]

he said was just the normal remix :)

:lol: Oh lordy

[RudeTed]

what the hell is man with a red face?

[Dr Bones]

self explanatory.

a guy with a red face.

[dkolonic]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

[Chach]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

Have you heard of a man called Laurent Garnier per chance?

[pomrocks]

There's only one mix.....

Laurent Garnier - The Man with the Red Face

that is all........

[b_bop]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

What a surprise. Get some taste. Show some respect. Learn your job. The whole lot.

[Big Dubs]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

:lol:

[Chach]

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff308/karlpownall/Laurent.jpg

[southern_dan]

:lol:

[mcdoofus]

colonic - Pertaining to or arising from the colon.

Wow.. so who else chose their DJ name going by their taste in music?

[mcdoofus]

The FX loop??

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/images/c/c0/ColonicUse.gif

[Alex36]

This brings up a question I have wanting to ask, if you are a warm up dj and your playing at a commercial house and rnb club, bar. What on earth do you play, I mean do you play unknown/boring music in that genre? I know how bad it is when too many major hits get dropped early. For example a dj at a house & rnb bar I visit, at 10pm his first song was Infinity (klass mix) no one was on the floor ofcourse.

Anyway when I have the right kind of skill/standard and a good selection of songs then I might ask if I can fill in the early timeslot at this bar. Would the manager think I would be a crap dj if I played less interesting house, something other than bomb tracks? or do they know about what warm up dj's should be doing?
Was going to start a topic but if anyone can help me out here that would be great.

[macc4]

The FX loop??

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/images/c/c0/ColonicUse.gif


a true master of the crab scratch, and does splashbacks at the end of each mix.

[liseyt]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

*facepalm*

lol Chach!

[quantum8]

The FX loop??

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/images/c/c0/ColonicUse.gif


:lol:


bowel clearing electro haus anyone?

[b_bop]

This brings up a question I have wanting to ask, if you are a warm up dj and your playing at a commercial house and rnb club, bar. What on earth do you play, I mean do you play unknown/boring music in that genre? I know how bad it is when too many major hits get dropped early. For example a dj at a house & rnb bar I visit, at 10pm his first song was Infinity (klass mix) no one was on the floor ofcourse.

Anyway when I have the right kind of skill/standard and a good selection of songs then I might ask if I can fill in the early timeslot at this bar. Would the manager think I would be a crap dj if I played less interesting house, something other than bomb tracks? or do they know about what warm up dj's should be doing?
Was going to start a topic but if anyone can help me out here that would be great.

It doesn't matter when the music is that obvious, generic and shit. It's all one paced so smash out "My Humps" first up and go from there.

[dkolonic]

hahaha :(

[mashedman]

DJ Kolonic aka Damir warms up a frisky crowd
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=40090386&searchid=86b2965e-b06d-4c43-98dd-0290fa739433

[joeyk]

House - 130bpm? Does not compute?! ASPLODE

Maybe not the stuff that you hear. But when you get to the really heavy house with big basslines, from Alternative Reality, Far Too Loud, some of Max Grahams stuff, they are at 130.

[macc4]

120bpm+8%=130bpm (approx)

[ferretrock]

^Yeah, I just don't really play anything that quick... most of the house/deep-house/tech-house I listen to is around the 125bpm mark... usually faster feels like it's galloping rather than keeping chilled.

[Strech]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2014/collectionca8.jpg

[ferretrock]

I kinda though that with a name like DJ Kolonic, you'd warm up by playing the extended mix of '2 Girls, 1 cup'

[pomrocks]

You're talking through your arse jez

[macc4]

new genre; - out house

[dkolonic]

i dont think i have one of those tunes bojan

[b_bop]

Just when Southern Dan redeemed himself, the djing gods gave us the K man. 1000 myspace friends does not a DJ make I am assuming.

[quantum8]

new genre; - out house

the only place for crap music

[mashedman]

i dont think i have one of those tunes bojan
Really because in the video on myspace you are play that fucking shit Finally remix

[liseyt]

the only place for crap music

shithouse

[Strech]

i dont think i have one of those tunes bojan

just farkin wit ya mainz

;)

[ferretrock]

and you said that you played the funkagenda remix of 'man with the red face'.
Why talk shit?

[dkolonic]

i thought we were mates :P

[AlexPwns]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:

Wow! this thread makes me want to cry.

I know myself and others would love the chance to warm up for a act like Danny Howells. You get the chance and just make an utter utter c u n t of it.

Shame on you.

[Neo_]

^ :thumb:

[Spicy]

:lol: today this thread just drifted around a corner. 5 points!

of course not.. im just based in sydney so im givin sydney biased opinions,

dude i respect all the locals that can warm up... the djs mentioned dont get enough credit.. but when you get a dickhead wanna be dj loser who's warm up is big house/electro house...then you have to feel for the main act..all good. yeh that's true. although after thinking about this, and going by the thread in the perth forum i am suspecting that maybe howells/his manager thought this was a partty meant to promote him and his new cd, while it looked more like a regular club night with little to no promo about danny howells.

management-promoter communication fail.

[dkolonic]

Really because in the video on myspace you are play that fucking shit Finally remix


oi toss head i dont even have myspace....:rainman:

[mashedman]

you dont have to have a myspace for someone to put a video of you on there, playing possible the shittest song released this year

[dkolonic]

show me the link then....

[thierry]

despite all this i still think danny played an awesome set and was disappointed when he stopped.

i probably got there just before he jumped on.

ps. konolic - i understand where you're coming from with it being frisk and it being the time it was... but it's still selfish (or ignorant) and you have completely the wrong attitude.

[Vlammen]

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2014/collectionca8.jpg

/pwned.

:lol:

[YossarianIsSane]

This brings up a question I have wanting to ask, if you are a warm up dj and your playing at a commercial house and rnb club, bar. What on earth do you play, I mean do you play unknown/boring music in that genre? I know how bad it is when too many major hits get dropped early. For example a dj at a house & rnb bar I visit, at 10pm his first song was Infinity (klass mix) no one was on the floor ofcourse.

Anyway when I have the right kind of skill/standard and a good selection of songs then I might ask if I can fill in the early timeslot at this bar. Would the manager think I would be a crap dj if I played less interesting house, something other than bomb tracks? or do they know about what warm up dj's should be doing?
Was going to start a topic but if anyone can help me out here that would be great.

Unknown does not equal boring. Ideal warm up track might be more jazzy chicago house, bit of prog (real prog not deadmau5/dubfire), etc

Even if its a strictly Electro House night, stuff down the vein of D. Ramirez, Tom Neville, Glenn Morrison, Benjamin Bates, John Dahlback, Trentemoller, etc. That's what I'd play warming up for an MOS style night. Maybe even some chill breaks. Mashups of classics and electro house bootlegs are perfect as well. (as long as they're not too heavy)

In your case I'd maybe explain to the manager why you thought you could do better (ie too hard too fast too early) and why you'd lay what you played.

[Alex36]

Unknown does not equal boring. Ideal warm up track might be more jazzy chicago house, bit of prog (real prog not deadmau5/dubfire), etc

Even if its a strictly Electro House night, stuff down the vein of D. Ramirez, Tom Neville, Glenn Morrison, Benjamin Bates, John Dahlback, Trentemoller, etc. That's what I'd play warming up for an MOS style night. Maybe even some chill breaks. Mashups of classics and electro house bootlegs are perfect as well. (as long as they're not too heavy)

In your case I'd maybe explain to the manager why you thought you could do better (ie too hard too fast too early) and why you'd lay what you played.

I see what you mean, great answer that pointed me in the right direction and cleared up some other questions, thanks mate.:thumb:

[dkolonic]

i doubt anyone could have warmed up to dannys standards...i was told he had chucked the shits at a number of events he had played prior to bar open...i dont knwo if many of u go to frisk on nights im opening but im always playing US house so cut me some slack with the electro bullshit..i didnt play one elecrto tune that night....i started of with some house...more of a tribal sound then when i heard danny wasnt coming on i slowed it right down and played some prog tunes!!

[Spectrum]

http://www.kidcyber.com.au/IMAGES/Perth1.JPG

Go, ya good thing!

:slap:

Reminds me of Breakfest 2006 when the deck clowns decided it would be just perfect to slam out Trentmoler's remix of Moby's Go mashed-up with the entire Fingerlickin back catalogue..

...on fuckin' 3pm arrival.

Like seriously, where the fuck did you expect the party to go from there, huh?

Thank goodness Breakfest redeemed itself last year, and this year is set to soar again.

Anyway, thanks to this thread, I now know that Frisk @ Bar Open - like Northbridge in general - is a no-go zone after dark. :|

[La Gooch]

Can't say I didnt see this coming!!
Danny Howells should never have played at Frisk in the 1st place, simple as that. Being a former resident at Frisk I can safely say that it is just ridiculous to book him there. While i love them dearly, none of the guys play anything at all suitable for a warm up for someone like Howells, not to mention the crowd having never heard anything less than 130bpm. In all honesty, I doubt many of the crowd even REALLY knew who he was. Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for the frisk crew and it seriously has its place in the scene but when they start booking people like Danny Howells, there is a problem. I dont understand it, its clear that he is so unsuitable for the night - are we trying to sabotage the Perth scene? How likely is he going to be to come down to Perth again after that!?
Sorry for the rant, but its been doing my head in since he got booked. This isnt just your average DJ, this is an absolute pioneer, royalty of the house music scene! Its insulting!

[mashedman]

show me the link then....
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...d-0290fa739433

[Spectrum]

The aftermarf on the Perf forum...
http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=236654

[Rem_labs_lost]

should have warmed up with happy hardcore tunes.

[pomrocks]

The aftermarf on the Perf forum...
http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=236654

awesome work perff

[Dub DeLay]

i doubt anyone could have warmed up to dannys standards...i was told he had chucked the shits at a number of events he had played prior to bar open...i dont knwo if many of u go to frisk on nights im opening but im always playing US house so cut me some slack with the electro bullshit..i didnt play one elecrto tune that night....i started of with some house...more of a tribal sound then when i heard danny wasnt coming on i slowed it right down and played some prog tunes!!

mate you know what... I think you thought you were doing the right thing. But I think there is a strong argument to say you should have perhaps thought about it a bit more and kept it cool. It's tricky, because you were playing a peak time slot (by some Australian standards) in a club you know well. By other standards, you were playing the just arrived at the club warm up time slot.

I also think Danny Howells could have acted a bit better as well.

I've fucked up before, and it takes a while for it to sink in, but recognising when you get it wrong is how you grow as a DJ (or decide to give up). I think it's possibly 50/50 whether or not you fucked up on this one, but next time you support an international take some more time to think. In this case the challenge could have been to get the crowd into a solid groove while keeping it deep before handing over. Check out Tom Clark's interview on this website. That man kniows his shit. Also, try to extend your repertoire beyond beatport top tens, because they are fucking up the quality of DJs big time. :)

[thierry]

Can't say I didnt see this coming!!
Danny Howells should never have played at Frisk in the 1st place, simple as that. Being a former resident at Frisk I can safely say that it is just ridiculous to book him there. While i love them dearly, none of the guys play anything at all suitable for a warm up for someone like Howells, not to mention the crowd having never heard anything less than 130bpm. In all honesty, I doubt many of the crowd even REALLY knew who he was. Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for the frisk crew and it seriously has its place in the scene but when they start booking people like Danny Howells, there is a problem. I dont understand it, its clear that he is so unsuitable for the night - are we trying to sabotage the Perth scene? How likely is he going to be to come down to Perth again after that!?
Sorry for the rant, but its been doing my head in since he got booked. This isnt just your average DJ, this is an absolute pioneer, royalty of the house music scene! Its insulting!


Not quite as surprising.... but Simon Dunmore at Vegas Mode last Friday seemed a bit out of whack too. Though I can't really think of a venue in Perth which would suit him...

[b_bop]

But I think there is a strong argument to say you should have perhaps thought about it a bit more and kept it cool.

I'm tipping he doesn't have the tunes to keep it cool.

[silvaside]

i played the FUNKAGENDA mix....theres no such think as the NORMAL MIX!! :rock:
quality :lol:

[Dub DeLay]

I'm tipping he doesn't have the tunes to keep it cool.

I'm suggesting he get them.

[Mad Rooster]

I'm tipping he doesn't have the tunes to keep it cool.

If he is unaware that 'Man With A Red Face' doesn't have an original mix by Laurent Garnier (that is probably 10 years old), I would tip that he doesn't have the tunes to keep it cool also.

[archietech]

i'm easily the best text-based dj

[liseyt]

[Reminds me of Breakfest 2006 when the deck clowns decided it would be just perfect to slam out Trentmoler's remix of Moby's Go mashed-up with the entire Fingerlickin back catalogue..

...on fuckin' 3pm arrival.

Like seriously, where the fuck did you expect the party to go from there, huh?

Thank goodness Breakfest redeemed itself last year, and this year is set to soar again.




are you talking about the locals at the top stage or the djs in the ampitheatre?

[dkolonic]

If he is unaware that 'Man With A Red Face' doesn't have an original mix by Laurent Garnier (that is probably 10 years old), I would tip that he doesn't have the tunes to keep it cool also.


dude im well aware that man with the red face has an original mix...i was refering to cozmofos comment when he said "i played the normal mix" by that i meant i played the mix i usually play...

[trouble hifire]

kolonic is failing.

[quantum8]

the man with the red kolon?

[mcdoofus]

:lol:

[mashedman]

Well Sydney get 5 hours :rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

Going to be epic, plus he'll have a decent warm up too

[AlexPwns]

track listing dkolonic please. :D

[mashedman]

^Just take a look at the beatport top 10, should be pretty close

[Mad Rooster]

track listing dkolonic please. :D

I don't think we will get it. But I think you should suprise us kolonic. You've constanty defended yourself (and your music) in this forum, but we haven't seen the proof yet.

[trouble hifire]

do you think that if cosmocork ever made it to a supporting slot this is how it would go down?

[Gregama]

wait wait, is Kolonic the ranga from the gurners thread in the Perth Forum, who whinged when someone said he look trashed?


If so, thats fucking HILARIOUS! :lol:

I'll link when I get home (woo training)

[liseyt]

nah that was esstee87

[Mad Rooster]

kolonic = cosmocork??

[Papanikolas]

do you think that if cosmocork ever made it to a supporting slot this is how it would go down?

nah, he's still figuring out how to put music on cds

[snaker87]

I feel sorry for the fans who missed the warmup set, waited the 20 mins for him to come on and then having him leave early not knowing wtf his problem was.

[dkolonic]

More Intensity – pete tong
What is house – david pen..
Tribal experience – jesse garcia
All over the world - ???
Modern love – kosmas
Sofa king – mark Mendez
From the speaker – orig
“man with red colon” – “normal mix”
Deliver me – calvin fisher
Lola theme
Free to ask – d’julz
Block party – sultan
Positive – amo & navas


here u are heres some tracks i played....this should keep u going for another few days!!!

ps: i was never denying the fact that i banged it out....i was jsut saying that danny shouldnt have being such a fukin girl and refused to come one...:haha:

[macc4]

More Intensity – pete tong
What is house – david pen..
Tribal experience – jesse garcia
All over the world - ???
Modern love – kosmas
Sofa king – mark Mendez
From the speaker – orig
“man with red colon” – “normal mix”
Deliver me – calvin fisher
Lola theme
Free to ask – d’julz
Block party – sultan
Positive – amo & navas


here u are heres some tracks i played....this should keep u going for another few days!!!

ps: i was never denying the fact that i banged it out....i was jsut saying that danny shouldnt have being such a fukin girl and refused to come one...:haha:

:lol:

[samdup]

that tracklist is a joke, right?

[dkolonic]

that tracklist is a joke, right?


ur mummas a joke!!:prydz:

ps: chances are ur probably searching for them right now on beatport nerd burger!!

[dannyhowells]

Ok everyone.
First of all, I've been feeling really bad since writing that original blog. I wanted to write something about why I played a shorter set, but it turned into an angry outburst. The next day I realized it was unprofessional to vent my frustrations in that manner so I deleted it. Too late though as once something's out there, it's out there!
Colon, you're not the first DJ who's banged it before me recently, and I'm sure you won't be the last. Normally I just deal with it, as there's little else I can do. However, on this particular night, my record bag (which, I hasten to add, contains the bulk of my bangers, compared to my cd wallet which takes the bulk of my deeper stuff) had gone missing. So when I got to the club, I was taken to the office for a drink before I came on. On hearing what you were playing, I made it clear that it was going to be very difficult to follow you, especially as my records weren't with me. On no occasion did I refuse to go on, but Roy kindly offered to ask you to "bring it down a bit" which you did ... a bit!
Once I got on it soon became clear that it was going to be very hard to maintain the energy you'd built up, and to hold onto the floor. That was why I requested the next DJ come on a bit earlier, as I felt I was wrecking the night with the change in flow.
Colon, I'm sure you're a nice guy, and probably a great (peak-time) DJ too. But your comments are making it hard for me to like you. I never wanted this situation to escalate like this, but when I see your comments about how I've been "throwing the shits" (??! please elaborate - this is news to me!) and calling me a girl, you're not really doing yourself any favours.

Anyway, I hope this all calms down as generating this kind of drama was never my intention.
Perth, when I return next time, I'm gonna try and find a venue for an all-night Dig Deeper party. That will hopefully make up for the truncated set you got from me last weekend - I do want to make it up.
And Colon - I'm sure we won't be playing together in the near future, but I'm willing to kiss and make up, but only if you can quit with slagging me off! And I would like to apologize for the way I publicly dealt with my frustrations. i took it out on you when in reality, you were just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Danny

[Funkedub]

More Intensity – pete tong
What is house – david pen..
Tribal experience – jesse garcia
All over the world - ???
Modern love – kosmas
Sofa king – mark Mendez
From the speaker – orig
“man with red colon” – “normal mix”
Deliver me – calvin fisher
Lola theme
Free to ask – d’julz
Block party – sultan
Positive – amo & navas




not enough info on the MP3 tags huh ... i wish people would better label the MP3s they rip




anyway ... the best part of this thread was talking about BPMs ... lol .. 5bpm changes




edit : oh neat .. Danny even agrees kolonic is a gimp :-D

[dannyhowells]

Sorry I wasn't calling him a gimp!

I'm actually hoping for some resolve here, help me out!! :-O

[COZMOFO]

kolonic danny is mocking you with his pet name for you 'colon'
;

[Chach]

Sorry I wasn't calling him a gimp!

I'm actually hoping for some resolve here, help me out!! :-O

Just so we know its you, I am going to require you take a photo of yourself holding todays newspaper and post it.

[dannyhowells]

I'm not, stop stirring it up!
I saw Colon in his chart, as Man with the Red Colon, that's why I spelt it wrong.

Kolon, I'm not mocking.

This lot are just trying to get more drama out of us!

[ferretrock]

hahaha... thread takes yet another turn.

Nice of you to come on and try and get some resolve. :thumb:
Don't expect too much around these parts though - giving shit seems to be what we do best. :stroke:

[Funkedub]

I wouldn't sweat it Danny.

ITM is full of irreverent fukkers. I'm not saying you claimed he was a gimp, you just highlighted why we've labelled him so. He'll get over it, and you'll for ever more get a whole lot more kudos for having the testicular fortitude to post here with your perspective and be an all round nice fella :thumb:

[Richo_]

Wrong Venue, wrong promoter. DJ Klonic was just the face of the bigger problem. ANY frisk DJ i believe could and most likely would have done the exact same thing. If you have been to Frisk before, you would know what its like.

[Chach]

Wrong Venue, wrong promoter. DJ Klonic was just the face of the bigger problem. ANY frisk DJ i believe could and most likely would have done the exact same thing. If you have been to Frisk before, you would know what its like.

What was wrong with the Venue? Mr Howells already said he liked the venue. What do you think is wrong with it?

[Marshy]

Thread is win.

[dannyhowells]

Ok then. I'll let you give shit - I just feel bad when I know that I was the initial stirrer!
I do hope there is some resolve though - Kolonic I'm sure is a great DJ. It just would have been better if he'd played after me on that particular night.
I had to come here and post as the whole situation has been bugging me.
WORLD PEACE!
Danny x

[La Gooch]

Damir, take a serious look at yourself and show some respect.
Who the fuck are you to be sitting here calling an absolute music legend a 'little fuckin girl' amongst other obscenities.
At the end of the day, this is the underlying problem - i dont even think you really know who you are talking to which is also the reason why your warm up wasnt pretty.
Seriously, as if it wasnt bad enough with the fact that Dannys perth gig was shit, now you have to go running your inexperienced mouth off to someone who quite frankly has shaped this scene that you are now involved in and make Perth people, and more specifically Frisk, look like fuckin unprofessional idiots. You have been DJing for what? 6 months??? Wake up to yourself cause your fuckin embarrassing the shit out of everyone.

[Matty_neal]

Danny, if you haven't noticed yet this forum is full of wannabe bedroom bangers and angry nerds with the occasional decent DJ and/or producer. Try not to take it to heart. Danny's straightened things out, everything makes more sense. I can see where you're coming from :)

Good to see you're not an egotistical raging nerd. :rock: I'll tell ya what tho, if it was me I'd have been pretty pissed off!

Anyway, life goes on.

On another note, this thread is good entertainment value :-D


edit: OMG DAYS OF OUR LIVES!

[COZMOFO]

What was wrong with the Venue? Mr Howells already said he liked the venue. What do you think is wrong with it?

venue as in the size,shape,look of the club
u know chach that frisk on sat night doesnt cater too much for a progressive set

maybe few months back bar open downstairs on friday night with goochie warming up would of been the preffered option

[silvaside]

And I would like to apologize for the way I publicly dealt with my frustrations. apologize for what? i applaud your honesty as the scene in australia is full of shithouse dj's too scared to tell it how it is :thumb:

i also think you could avoid further problems by playing 12 hour sets and having no warm up dj's for the rest of your australian tour (at least for sydney anyway) ;)

and for the record klonic is a terrible dj.

and if it wasn't for cdj's this would have never happened :P

[Richo_]

What was wrong with the Venue? Mr Howells already said he liked the venue. What do you think is wrong with it?

Nothing was wrong with the venue. I take that back, Baropen is a great small club. By venue i meant wrong night - which was 'Frisk'.

[SteveTP]

wheres the jackhammer techno

[Matty_neal]

Sometimes I sandwich at the thought of pasting gravy.

[AlexPwns]

Thread to be locked and moved to classics IMHO...

[Chach]

venue as in the size,shape,look of the club
u know chach that frisk on sat night doesnt cater too much for a progressive set

maybe few months back bar open downstairs on friday night with goochie warming up would of been the preffered option

Nothing really to do with the venue though, it was the support Dj's and the Clientele that were wrong.

[v904]

I'm not stirring shit; I personally don't beleive the set Klonic played suited the headline act, which he was paid to WARM UP for.

he's not the only DJ to not play an appropriate set, this event just brought the issue to light in this forum

And for that he is the target for the sniping

I'm not getting in the way cos I think he deserves it

[Matty_neal]

Sometimes I sandwich at the thought of pasting gravy.

Argh, that was a typo. What I meant to say was

This thread is awesome.

[Chach]

running your inexperienced mouth off to someone who quite frankly has shaped this scene that you are now involved in

I must object to this part Steff, and I think the idea of that is the root of whats wrong with dance music, most of what people call House now is actually house inspired pop music and has no place being discussed in the same forum as forwarding thinking modern house music.

[bonfiglio]

Perth, when I return next time, I'm gonna try and find a venue for an all-night Dig Deeper party. That will hopefully make up for the truncated set you got from me last weekend - I do want to make it up.

:thumb: x infinity.

[La Gooch]

You know what i mean Chachy, absolutely broadly speaking he has shaped the general scene - i do see what you are saying but the bottom line is that Danny is a musician who deserves absolute respect and he is quite clearly not being shown that. I dont blame Damir, I never said anything blaming him directly and I still dont think its his fault this has happened but my problem is his attitude in the aftermath of it all. Sorry to be so blunt mate but get over yourself, shut your mouth and learn from this experience quietly.

[Chach]

I just meant that we shouldn't really associate Frisk with the house scene any more than we associate the paramount with the house scene.

[Spectrum]

are you talking about the locals at the top stage or the djs in the ampitheatre?

Amphitheatre. :(


Yeah yeah, I know, the locals stage was where it was at. ;)

[La Gooch]

yeah fair comment i see your point. but that is just the issue. someone with such an influence and history in defining the house scene should never have played at Frisk

[Tha Gooch]

^^ hey are you my long lost spanish cuzzin?

[La Gooch]

Hombre!!! is it really you Esse?

[Tha Gooch]

:lol:

[b_bop]

More Intensity – pete tong
What is house – david pen..
Tribal experience – jesse garcia
All over the world - ???
Modern love – kosmas
Sofa king – mark Mendez
From the speaker – orig
“man with red colon” – “normal mix”
Deliver me – calvin fisher
Lola theme
Free to ask – d’julz
Block party – sultan
Positive – amo & navas


Pay for tracks much?

[darren_J]

unlikely... shame.

[JeremySuric]

Sorry to be so blunt mate but get over yourself, shut your mouth and learn from this experience quietly.

Burnt!!!.....Man i think we need to cut Damir some slack here.......

[mashedman]

the reason people are giving him shit is because of his attitude to the situation. If he didnt act like a total twat this would've died days ago. But when you keep adding fuel to the fire it continues. But he continues to sling shit on someone who many people have admired for some time. Personally Danny Howells music is a big part of how i got into dance music.

[YossarianIsSane]

I just meant that we shouldn't really associate Frisk with the house scene any more than we associate the paramount with the house scene.

oh lol the image that puts in my head... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[macc4]

just got a whole lot bigger. front page rant on ITM newsletter email!

[sumphreak]

Couldn't be bothered reading through all five pages worth so dunno if anyone's said this, but does this whole incident not just underline what a load of crap an event is where a DJ is there to "promote his new CD"??

The warmup DJ perhaps lacked the respect for such an event, Danny Howells had too much respect for it and most of the people on this forum are leaning towards Danny's view.

I think what a load of shit. I want to go to a club/event to see a particular DJ play in the style that I generally know him for. If he wants to play slightly differently to that because it's a promotion then I'd rather not attend at all.

I think for everybody this has been about integrity and dignity.

[generalninja]

what? The warm up dude been deejaying for 6months and got to warm up for Danny???!!
Ive been playing for the same amount of time in sydney and spent 2+ years pouring my heart out in the bedroom.... i want a gig with Danny. =(

At least ill show some respect for the big fella.

[La Gooch]

Burnt!!!.....Man i think we need to cut Damir some slack here.......

Dont get me wrong, Damir is a mate of mine but i feel strongly about this and i just dont think that he is in any position to be abusing Danny Howells! Fair play, in principle i guess it could be called standing up for himself but there is absolutely no need to start talking utter smack to someone like that

[nickbrauer]

Im reading this from London, and i have to say that this has got to be one of the BEST forum threads ITM has ever conjured up.

Web 2.0 at it's finest!

[darren_J]

:lol:

It's certainly a topic that has attracted a lot of attention from around the country.

I think it's something more warm up dj's (especially the newer ones) will think about more (hopefully) when opening up for someone (if they didn't already). Sometimes i think i overthink things opening for an international. A little research in to who you're opening for wouldn't be hard if you don't know much about them...

[generalninja]

how about some before communication between the deejays?? i think that was clearly lacking.

[darren_J]

or communication between promoter and dj...
or lack of too.

[frankxinyu]

More Intensity – pete tong
What is house – david pen..
Tribal experience – jesse garcia
All over the world - ???
Modern love – kosmas
Sofa king – mark Mendez
From the speaker – orig
“man with red colon” – “normal mix”
Deliver me – calvin fisher
Lola theme
Free to ask – d’julz
Block party – sultan
Positive – amo & navas


here u are heres some tracks i played....this should keep u going for another few days!!!

ps: i was never denying the fact that i banged it out....i was jsut saying that danny shouldnt have being such a fukin girl and refused to come one...:haha:

mate these are big big tunes...and no where near as deep as what u need for danny howells.these are way too big room and progressive..

but i understand where you are coming from

the promoters should have told you what you would be expecting

and i take it the venue you play isnt used to hosting acts like danny..

and everyone makes mistakes

dont worry about ppl on the forums....most of them are taking the piss coz they are jaded.

[nojman]

Funny, funny, funny. Though it reminds me of something Ben Watt said last year in recollection of a gig he played:

"The crowd is sensational. They are grooving bodily to Mic's expert warm-up set (mental note all warm-up DJs out there: he never strayed above 119bpm but the crowd was eating out of his hand in hyped-up expectation). I finally went on at 2am and the place took off."

[pauL_]

LOL @ this thread! That was a great read.

Could DJ Kolonic now be the DJ Zooky of Perth ?? (i.e. most hated local DJ) :lol:




I can't wait for Howell's set at Laundry on Saturday,.. show you Friskfags how it's done :D

[sex hitcher]

Im reading this from London, and i have to say that this has got to be one of the BEST forum threads ITM has ever conjured up.

Web 2.0 at it's finest!


without doubt :lol:

[Grant]

Perth, when I return next time, I'm gonna try and find a venue for an all-night Dig Deeper party. That will hopefully make up for the truncated set you got from me last weekend - I do want to make it up. ...and I will find myself in Perth if that happens. :)


Damn, who from Sydney isn't looking forward even more to this Saturday night's gig?!? It's probably my most anticipated club night of the year. Bring it on!! :)

[liseyt]

the promoters should have told you what you would be expecting



I disagree. Any dj who takes his craft seriously would have done some research beforehand - it's not up to the promotor to tell you what they expect you to play - most assume that you will do some homework, they wouldn't book you otherwise.


When approaching a warm-up set, I just try and put myself into the shoes of the dj coming on after me and the crowd in the room in front of me - if I was a headliner dj, where would I like to start things off from?, if I was a punter in this crowd, excatly what mood would I like to be experiencing right now? it's not that hard - no djing is - but a little foresight is required and is maybe something that is developed with a bit more experience.

[darren_J]

^ what lisa said!

[ultim8DTM5]

and if it wasn't for cdj's this would have never happened :P

quoted for truth :geek:

thread +1 for "classics"

[frankxinyu]

I disagree. Any dj who takes his craft seriously would have done some research beforehand - it's not up to the promotor to tell you what they expect you to play - most assume that you will do some homework, they wouldn't book you otherwise.


When approaching a warm-up set, I just try and put myself into the shoes of the dj coming on after me and the crowd in the room in front of me - if I was a headliner dj, where would I like to start things off from?, if I was a punter in this crowd, excatly what mood would I like to be experiencing right now? it's not that hard - no djing is - but a little foresight is required and is maybe something that is developed with a bit more experience.

well

promoters reallt should book djs specially for the event they are hosting as well...

local djs have their own styles too...

promoters should really carefully plan who they put on before hand..this only shows they had no idea...

i could book tydi to warm up for danny howells, could u say tydi is a bad dj?

[liseyt]

well he plays trance, so yes :P

[mashedman]

yws but as a resident at the club it is HIS JOB to fit in with the MAIN ACT. Not the other way round. I think the headline of the article is particularly harsh towards Danny as well, when he hit the nail on the head. This isn't just a problem in Perth either

[Zodiac]

posting for the lulz

[Chach]

well he plays trance, so yes :P

I thought he played breaks:P

[liseyt]

i'll break your face

[AlexPwns]

i could book tydi to warm up for danny howells, could u say tydi is a bad dj?

No, I would say you are a moron.

[liseyt]

:lol:

[EvenAStoppedClock]

well i could book tydi to warm up for danny howells, could u say tydi is a bad dj?

http://ohnolookoutitsaraygun.com/argh-Picard.jpg

[frankxinyu]

No, I would say you are a moron.

no mate,

the problem everyone has towards him is

he got to warm up for danny,

and you didnt

he fucked up..

so lets all bag him out on inthenerd

the reality is

most of you have no idea..and will never get to play anything that big

so you can sit on inthenerd and stroke your chin and be old and jaded...

get over yourselves....not his fault you are stuck in your bedroom for life

:lol:

[frankxinyu]

and before you start your history education on me

i DONT know u...

what i know is

bagging other djs out publicly is not the way to go..everyone makes mistakes and so do you!

thats why danny himself wanted to let this case rest.

[Dr Bones]

most of you have no idea..and will never get to play anything that big

so you can sit on inthenerd and stroke your chin and be old and jaded...

get over yourselves....not his fault you are stuck in your bedroom for life

:lol:

fuck. you're so right. my life has just been disappointment after disappointment. i'll never be a rock and roll star, i'll never be, anything, anything at all.

edit: all i can do all day is sit on, what was your name for it? right, right, "inthenerd", and be sad fuck.

[pomrocks]

get over yourselves....not his fault you are stuck in your bedroom for life

:lol:

i'd say take your own advice :thumb:

i can name 20 DJ's who've never warmed up for a INT DJ who would have done a better job than this guy and acted in a more professional manner.

[quantum8]

:lol:

this thread keeps on giving

[frankxinyu]

i'd say take your own advice :thumb:

i can name 20 DJ's who've never warmed up for a INT DJ who would have done a better job than this guy and acted in a more professional manner.

exactly my point

its him who got the spot

i can name 50 local djs here in brisbane who could have/would have done a better job

what does it matter?

he did screw up...

bagging him out doesnt help him though, does it..

[pomrocks]

bagging him out doesnt help him though, does it..

no but it entertains me a fair bit

[Random_Kiwi]

Wow - what a thread! :lol:

No time to read it all, but my two cents are as follows...

A) the warm DJ is there to warm up the crowd, in my minds eye that means it's OK to build things up towards the end of set, but yes, not to really got harder than the headliner would play.

B) if the crowd is building up early and gagging for more, give it to them, but have the professionalism to realise you need to start pitching things back down AT LEAST 20-30mins prior to the internationals start...there is no point in leaving the crowd thinking you're fucking boring just as to not offend the next DJ

C) while the warm set should be appropriate, a DJ of Dannys calibre should have the skills and tracks in his bag to handle a situation like this...to start with, the guy did wind it back down, and if it wasn't down enough, let his last track play out and for your first track, play something which has a moody, brooding intro to set the scene. Heard many many DJs do this over the years, the people stay on the floor, the energy remains, you're just bringing things back to the level you want to start at.

D) having a cry about it on your blog is about as professional as the warm up DJ not showing respect to whome he was warming up for.

I'm torn...yes, kolonic, you should pull your head in and play appropriately to whomever you're warming up for, but at the same time, Danny can harden the fuck up as far as I'm concerned as any DJ at that level should be able to deal with this kind of situation like water off a ducks back...reset the mood to what you want it to be, and then build it back up again...ain't hard...whinging about it on your blog makes you look like a big sooky lala

[ultim8DTM5]

bagging him out doesnt help him though, does it..

...and neither does he help himself by posting the shit he did.

Essential elements you've forgotten:


He fucked up
He didn't know he fucked up
He came on the 'internerd' saying what a champ he was
He came on the 'internerd' saying what a girl Danny Howells is
He gets his mates to come on the 'internerd' to say what a great dj he is
Still fails to recognise the concept of what a warm-up is
Gets flamed


I don't care if someone fucks up, and probably only half the people in this thread do. The fact that he acted like a complete tool, and saying that Danny Howells was a lesser dj (edit: which is quite ironic, when he didn't lock-in Laurent Garnier as the original track of Man With The Red Face) because he could follow his set after the fact, displayed a complete lack of respect was his undoing. :nooo:

People like kolonic are testament to the notion that every fuckwit with a set of cdj's thinks he's a dj - it's not just about the tunes, it about delivering for the punters for the whole night, because when you're set is over, the punters will still be there infront of the man following you.

[mashedman]

exactly my point

its him who got the spot

i can name 50 local djs here in brisbane who could have/would have done a better job

what does it matter?

he did screw up...

bagging him out doesnt help him though, does it..
I love it when people think they have a point

[youngman]

Wow - what a thread! :lol:

No time to read it all, but my two cents are as follows...

A) the warm DJ is there to warm up the crowd, in my minds eye that means it's OK to build things up towards the end of set, but yes, not to really got harder than the headliner would play.

B) if the crowd is building up early and gagging for more, give it to them, but have the professionalism to realise you need to start pitching things back down AT LEAST 20-30mins prior to the internationals start...there is no point in leaving the crowd thinking you're fucking boring just as to not offend the next DJ

C) while the warm set should be appropriate, a DJ of Dannys calibre should have the skills and tracks in his bag to handle a situation like this...to start with, the guy did wind it back down, and if it wasn't down enough, let his last track play out and for your first track, play something which has a moody, brooding intro to set the scene. Heard many many DJs do this over the years, the people stay on the floor, the energy remains, you're just bringing things back to the level you want to start at.

D) having a cry about it on your blog is about as professional as the warm up DJ not showing respect to whome he was warming up for.

I'm torn...yes, kolonic, you should pull your head in and play appropriately to whomever you're warming up for, but at the same time, Danny can harden the fuck up as far as I'm concerned as any DJ at that level should be able to deal with this kind of situation like water off a ducks back...reset the mood to what you want it to be, and then build it back up again...ain't hard...whinging about it on your blog makes you look like a big sooky lala




/end thread

[truba]

remember promoters your coke has to be 90-95% pure this 50-55% shit is only good enough for perf