New Equipment from Pioneer in September??? [Archive]

CircusMidget

25-Jan-09, 02:48pm

carl cox is a big boy and shouldnt have any trouble carrying record crates

i would be bold enough to say that he could carry two crates on each arm and one between his teeth

would prefer to see him playing traktor through the TTs, but it doesn't matter as his personality compensates for cdj

Bumpy

25-Jan-09, 03:20pm

yeh read this this morning.. pioneer making something like Serato/Trakotor.. interesting

kasper_flip

25-Jan-09, 11:33pm

And Cox, recently named No.1 DJ of the past 25 years by dance music bible Mixmag, is still at the forefront.

i lol'd

SlicyDicer

26-Jan-09, 10:12am

Me too, you cunt. I came in here to point that out :(

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/108911/coxy.PNG

Rips

26-Jan-09, 07:35pm

yeh read this this morning.. pioneer making something like Serato/Trakotor.. interesting

I doubt it, reading between the lines this will either be...

A fully digital device possibly with a CD-J like interface that can pull media off basically any portable hard drive and store it internally.

Or it will be an all in one solution that combines the above with the mixing console.

Whatever it is, its not going to require a laptop or sound card or any other crap you have lug around to be a digital dj these days.

Pioneer are really very smart when it comes to knowing what's required to make a product industry standard.

KuRuPTeD

26-Jan-09, 11:14pm

Pioneer are really very smart when it comes to knowing what's required to make a product industry standard.

How so? By marketing the shit through there sponsorships/advertising?

Bracko

26-Jan-09, 11:58pm

Whatever it is, its not going to require a laptop or sound card or any other crap you have lug around to be a digital dj these days.

yeah, becasue vinyl and CD's are so convenient.

:crazy:

Rips

27-Jan-09, 12:57am

How so? By marketing the shit through there sponsorships/advertising?

Partly of course but more importantly they focus on keeping everything as simple and reliable as possible. Its really ease of use and build quality that's brought them this far.

Obviously they are not always first on sound quality or features but these mean little if you don't have the above right.

yeah, becasue vinyl and CD's are so convenient.

:crazy:

Not at all but neither is having to bring a laptop, external sound card and midi controller to every gig, set-ups like that stand no chance of ever becoming industry standard.

Add to that the fact that a lot of club owners really don't like Dj's messing around with their rigs unless you've basically hired out the whole venue and life starts to become difficult.

Most Dj's just want to be able to just rock up with their tracks in hand and play, without worrying about all the connectivity issues.

I think Pioneer recognise this and that's what they will be trying to address with this next release.

Digital Dj'ing made easy.

truba

27-Jan-09, 05:20am

pioneer and build quality, fucking lol

Bracko

27-Jan-09, 07:40am

blah blah I've never actually DJed with a digital setup blah blah.

1. you don't need a midi setup to run either DVS system
2. you could fairly easily standardise on a system per club, it's just that someone misses out.
3. club owners don't give a fuck, most setups in sydney now have opted out of custom made booths and have gone back to simple desk vibration mounts.
4. so you're thinking they are going to re-release the CDJ 400 which is exactly what you've just described. any integrated system is going to be custom made and difficult to use across the board. using an integrated laptop/mixer is cost prohibitive.

digital DJing is easy, you just have to be a little flexible and realise that you can't turn water into wine.

and pioneer's formula is to make it as simple as possible. while sucessful, it's not always the best. I have grave doubts about their up-coming product.

Rips

27-Jan-09, 01:13pm

I've used plenty of DVS systems mate. So you took out 1 item for some users, wow. Doesn't change my point at all.

CD-J 400? lol as if. I have an idea what else they might do but I'm not going to speculate on unreleased product details.

And as for water into wine, I don't even know what the fuck your talking about there.

I'm just putting forward my thoughts in a pretty reasonable manner but you sound like a bit of a wanker so I'm not going to bother discussing it any further.

Please don't misquote me either, its really immature.

Dr Bones

27-Jan-09, 01:25pm

And as for water into wine, I don't even know what the fuck your talking about there.

only jebus could do that dude, is all he meant.

Eclerkid

27-Jan-09, 01:47pm

How so? By marketing the shit through there sponsorships/advertising?

Thas exactly right, and I couldn't agree with rips more. Clearly if they have been the industry standard for nearly a decade, then it follows that they are pretty smart when it comes to making something the "industry standard"

Remember that "industry standard" means nothing more then the equipment is standard in most workplaces.

Personaly i use an Ecler EVO 5 and would not piss on a DJM if it was on fire, but that does not prevemt me from acknowledgeing the DJMs as the industry standard.

Dr Bones

27-Jan-09, 01:50pm

Personaly i use an Ecler EVO 5 and would not piss on a DJM if it was on fire, but that does not prevemt me from acknowledgeing the DJMs as the industry standard.

qft.

'cept i'm a rane kinda guy.

ShuffleStuff

27-Jan-09, 09:05pm

Personaly i use an Ecler EVO 5 and would not piss on a DJM if it was on fire, but that does not prevemt me from acknowledgeing the DJMs as the industry standard.

hopefully Daveyjaye would i leant mine to him. Not sure i would though. Hope he treats it like it's his and not mine.

Bracko

27-Jan-09, 10:54pm

Please don't misquote me either, its really immature.

cry moar, there's no point quoting a huge post when it's 2 above mine.

if you have an idea... then put it down, that's what this place is, a forum, to talk about things....

i would [honestly] be interested to see what it is people think can be improved.

i think the current DVS systems are pretty good as they are, i've owned 1, roadtested in gig situations the other main player, so i'm fairly pro-DVS and anti CD player at the moment.

they are by no means a jump to the digital world. i firmly believe the future is in programs like ableton and traktor (full version) for ultimate power and flexability.

Mad Rooster

27-Jan-09, 11:43pm

Why pay out on him Mr. 27k posts? He obviously came on here to offer his opinion. Not to be shot down by you.

Sorry. Rant over. Just shits me how people get shot down so much here.

Bracko

28-Jan-09, 12:23am

because if you read above, he hasn't said anything.

besides, i don't know how blunt i can be.

if you have an idea... then put it down, that's what this place is, a forum, to talk about things....

i would [honestly] be interested to see what it is people think can be improved.

Oli-G

28-Jan-09, 08:43am

can I ask when carl is using his 3 CDJ's as described in the article through traktor.. is he beatmatching?

cause he talks of sync'ing and stuff... so Is it fair to say carl cox doesnt beatmatch anymore? (not like he needs to prove he can)

Dj Shuflz

25-Mar-09, 12:59pm

:( that's where technology sucks i hate that auto-sync stuff, takes the fun right out of it, but if its all going digital whats stopping ppl from just syncing

bobanny

25-Mar-09, 01:34pm

Simple designs IMHO are the best. The more complex something is the more likely it is to fuck up and that goes with just about anything ever made in the history of man.

Is there better cdj's out there? I haven't seen them.

NORBY

25-Mar-09, 03:20pm

:( that's where technology sucks i hate that auto-sync stuff, takes the fun right out of it, but if its all going digital whats stopping ppl from just syncing
i dont see the issue with auto beat matching, it gives the dj the freedom to do the other stuff such as layering of tracks, cutting in and out of many tracks at once etc. Saying that, those who can (and do) beatmatch themselves are better 'technical' dj's

Dj Shuflz

13-May-09, 10:18am

death to auto-sync

jarrardscott

13-May-09, 10:27am

Garthyboy

13-May-09, 11:50am

What does fully traktor compatible mean?
It can play the time code cds???
Its got MIDI like the CDJ400
OR
Are you suggesting full native support for Traktor
EG track names appear on the CDJ screen etc etc

Hate to say it, but it just sounds like Pioneer are playing catch up on Denon at a much higher RRP

slackas

13-May-09, 12:13pm

hate using denon, have used 3500s a fair bit and didnt like them at all.

Met an aussie DMC champ who loves them, but me, pioneer all the way.

jarrardscott

13-May-09, 12:41pm

i mean traktor will pretty much be displayed on screen on the cdj in a simpler format.

ekwipt

13-May-09, 12:41pm

pioneer CDJ-next or CDJ1000-next. (cant remember)
fully traktor compatible.
colour screen like on the dvj mixer
full wavelength for the track (like on traktor)
you can use the cdj to scroll through your tracks
usb plug to play tracks off, cord between the two so u only need 1 usb
price = high 2 grands.

perfect for traktor and serato

We'd you get the info from :stroke:

It's obviously the next step forward for the CDJs :ninja:

trouble hifire

13-May-09, 12:54pm

i guess the only downside is they are still cdj's :P

KuRuPTeD

13-May-09, 01:20pm

Next step for CDJ's?

http://education.jpl.nasa.gov/inventionchallenge/2006/images/image005.jpg

Dr Bones

13-May-09, 01:47pm

Met an aussie DMC champ who loves them, but me, pioneer all the way.

i'm more surprised you met a dmc champ that loves cdjs.

i guess the only downside is they are still cdj's :P

:lol:

slackas

13-May-09, 04:05pm

i'm more surprised you met a dmc champ that loves cdjs.

:lol:

hmmmm... good point, doesnt take away from his talent tho

funkyant

13-May-09, 06:44pm

It'll be a CDJ-400 inside a CDJ-1000 chassis.

A CDJ-4000 maybe?

jarrardscott

13-May-09, 10:07pm

^ i've already said what it is.

i think the full colour screen and wavelength is awesome

needaride

13-May-09, 10:44pm

Yeh here it is
Its in assosciation with Neversoft

http://i44.tinypic.com/nfmcti.jpg

mmc_79

14-May-09, 12:30am

Where can I pre order that shit???:rainman:

Violentine

14-May-09, 02:45am

cdjNEXT according to the record store boffins... just like that new hi-end rackmount thing they released but in standard cdj chassis... game over for traktor according to pioneer reps

kloseline

14-May-09, 07:41am

maybe a denon multicore cable like the native instruments one, or an additional set of cinchs, where you conect your soundcard to without unplugging the turntables.... well all things have already been done, pioneer is just going to mess things up...
what i found interesting in the article is the fact that after you read it you could think that traktor is cd only and serato is vinyl only...

eazye

14-May-09, 08:04am

"Carl Cox - Superstar DJ"

ekwipt

14-May-09, 09:07am

so only Australia knows about this the rest of the interweb knows squat.

I call bullshit, tell us your source or i'll kill a kitten

filou

14-May-09, 09:24am

yeah i can't say that jarrad is the most credible person on this forum. his hyping of the we love fail festival was the nail for me. until someone else repeats it word for word, meh.

Dr Bones

14-May-09, 09:26am

hmmmm... good point, doesnt take away from his talent tho

definitely not, and i suppose cut chemist had some cdjs set up next to his turntables at the de la soul gig recently.. i know nu-mark uses them as well.

KuRuPTeD

14-May-09, 11:21am

pioneer CDJ-next or CDJ1000-next. (cant remember)
fully traktor compatible.
colour screen like on the dvj mixer
full wavelength for the track (like on traktor)
you can use the cdj to scroll through your tracks
usb plug to play tracks off, cord between the two so u only need 1 usb
price = high 2 grands.

perfect for traktor and serato

All of this could have been summarised in two lines:

- Native Traktor / Serato support (however this is done by the software producers themselves not the hardware producers)
- Colour Screen / Full wave lengths (this is more of a "when" not so m uch a "will" imho)

jarrardscott

14-May-09, 11:53am

filou, vi just said the exact same thing as me, same source too.
except i dont see how its traktor killer when its made to work WITH traktor.

and we love hype was because initially jeff mills, reboot & josh wink were meant to be playing, they released the lineup and it was a surprise to most people.

Garthyboy

14-May-09, 01:01pm

Price tag at high 2000's if that is the case is too high.

Also, would like to know ongoing partnership with Traktor for native support before i purchased anything also.

Ideally, this is the next step in CDJ evolution and for someone who plays a lot of CDs and Traktor, its a great idea to minimise the footprint of my set up and strip down some gear.

I can't imagine seeing this til early 2010 at one of the US conferences though!

filou

14-May-09, 01:48pm

and we love hype was because initially jeff mills, reboot & josh wink were meant to be playing, they released the lineup and it was a surprise to most people.

meant to be playing... psssh. jarrardscott's mum was meant to be playing but she was too busy shouting out occupations in the other room.

trouble hifire

14-May-09, 03:42pm

^^ best part about that post is he can't respond :lol:

ekwipt

14-May-09, 04:07pm

When there is a cdj/midicontroller next what ever it will be, it will definately be partnered with Serato first, they've had a strategic partnership for a while now, but i can't see them leaving the other companies behind either. Traktor is now too popular through out Europe and it looks to be moving that way here too .America's are still Serato dominated