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Will666
20-Apr-09, 11:44am
I have been reading some of the post's on mix/demo cd's and i just thought that i would post some of the rules that were sent to me from a friend. After some of the guys getting busted a soho's it's good to know where you stand if it's you getting busted. I know there is a heap of writing but a good and eye opening read.

MUSIC FOR DJS – ARE YOU DOING THE RIGHT THING?
As a DJ, your creativity and livelihood depends on music. This guide has been created
to educate you on the do’s and don’ts of using music as a DJ.
Some simple facts
What’s copyright?
When someone creates a piece of music (or a piece of text, a graphic, a photo, a film or anything else that is protected under copyright
laws), there is a whole system of legal rights and obligations that comes into play. These rights and obligations, outline what someone
can and can’t do with the material.
Who owns the copyright in a piece of music?
There is generally more than one owner of copyright in any given musical track. The composer who wrote the music owns copyright
in the musical works. The lyricist who wrote the lyrics owns copyright in the literary works. The artist who performed the music
owns copyright in a sound recording of their live performance. Finally, the maker of the recording (typically a record company) owns
copyright in the sound recording.
What rights do the copyright owners have?
The copyright owners have a number of exclusive rights, including the right to:
• Make copies of the tracks;
• Perform the tracks in public; and
• Communicate the tracks to the public.
How do I know if I am doing the right thing?
Can I copy legitimate CDs I own onto “compilation CDs” or my computer to play at gigs?
The purchase of a CD only gives you the right to own the physical disc, to play it privately, and to pass on the same physical disc to
another person. This means that copying music from a CD, without the permission of all relevant copyright owners, is an infringement
of copyright except in limited circumstances. Recent changes to the Copyright Act allow you to copy music legitimately obtained
for your private and domestic use on another device that you own eg. from CD to iPod. However, this does not extend to
copying music for use at your gigs.
If you want to copy your legitimate CDs into a more convenient format or onto your computer for playing at a gig, you must get:
1. Permission or a licence from the record company that controls the copyright in the sound recordings (contact the
Licensing Department of the relevant record company); and
2. A licence from AMCOS for the reproduction of the music. Generally, AMCOS will offer a “blanket” licence which allows
you to be covered for all reproduction of musical and literary works for certain purposes.
What about sampling music in a mix CD?
Sampling is the taking of a ‘substantial’ or recognisable portion of another artist’s work – including lyrics, melodies, rhythms and even
the recording itself. You have sampled an artist’s work if it is still recognisable as that work, regardless of whether you have altered the
original excerpt or placed it into a new context. Like copying music, sampling is only legal if you have been granted permission from
both the owner of the sound recording (generally through the Licensing Department of the relevant record company) and the owner
of the musical work (through AMCOS).
Is it illegal for me to copy music from the internet?
The basic legal principle is that you cannot copy or distribute music including from the internet without the permission of all relevant
copyright owners. There are a number of legitimate download sites in Australia which are listed on the MIPI website under Links. If
you are unsure of whether a particular website is appropriately licensed, you can contact MIPI.
What about using music obtained by file-sharing?
Unless authorised, the vast bulk of P2P ‘file sharing’ is considered illegal copying and transmission of copyright material. This activity
hurts sales of music and the livelihoods of people in the business.
What if I download music from a site overseas where the law might be different?
Internet activities of this sort typically involve acts of copying, transmission, or distribution in both the ‘receiving and sending’
countries and the laws of each will apply. Be aware that if you download music files to your PC located in Australia, without the
copyright owners’ permission, you are committing an infringement of copyright under Australian law.
Why should I bother to ask for permission to use samples or to copy music?
Not bothering to ask for permission may seem like the quickest and cheapest option when you decide to copy or sample, however
there are a number of other reasons why you might want to think twice:
• As a DJ you will appreciate that musicians deserve to be compensated for their hard work.
• If people aren’t willing to pay for the music they love, the music industry will find it increasingly difficult to commit the kind
of resources it takes to discover and develop new Australian talent.
• It is wrong. You wouldn’t steal a mobile phone, so why would you steal music?
• Under the Copyright Act, infringement of copyright by illegally copying (including over the internet), selling, distributing,
importing, performing or having in your possession illegal discs, attracts maximum penalties of up to $60,500 or 5 years
imprisonment for each infringement.
What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the
copyright owners breaks the law.
Do I need any licences to DJ at a club or other venue?
Yes, generally the venue (for example, the club, hotel, nightclub or restaurant) needs a public performance licence from APRA and
PPCA in order to allow you to play legitimately obtained music in public. However, in circumstances where you are performing at a
venue that would not ordinarily require a licence, you may need to get an APRA or PPCA public performance licence in your own
right.
I own a bar. Can I be responsible if the DJ is playing pirate discs or illegal MP3s?
As the owner or operator of premises you may be held liable for authorizing copyright infringement at your premises by allowing the
DJ to use pirate discs or illegal MP3 files.
Respect copyright in music
Music piracy has a major effect on the music industry. The makers of the music, the composers, lyricists and all the other people
involved in the music industry are paying the price with less legitimate music being sold. People’s livelihoods are affected. Honest DJs
may be forced out of business because they can’t compete with the pricing of the pirate DJ. As a result of piracy there is less money
to be invested in making new music discs, which ultimately means less music for your next gig.
Need more information?
MIPI www.mipi.com.au (02) 8569 1177
APRA|AMCOS www.apra.com.au (02) 9935 7900
PPCA www.ppca.com.au (02) 8569 1111

ferretrock
20-Apr-09, 11:54am
Would be much easier to read if you used the [Enter] key a touch more often.

slackas
20-Apr-09, 11:54am
Where did you copy this from?

pomrocks
20-Apr-09, 11:58am
it's not fucking rocket science

pay for the tunes you play

Will666
20-Apr-09, 11:59am
If you find it hard to read you can go to the link at the bottom of the post for MIPI. You will find the same info but as a flyer.

Will666
20-Apr-09, 12:04pm
Im not talking about what ou play im talking about mixed cd's that people / DJ's hand out at gigs.

ifuseekamy
20-Apr-09, 12:07pm
what's soho's?
and which guys got busted?

and doesn't ITM host member's mixes online?
what's the deal with that??

Will666
20-Apr-09, 12:13pm
Word was they were giving out mix cd's as part of a promo and got stung with a bill because of "What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the copyright owners breaks the law" I'm not sure about posting mixes hell i put one's on my myspace.

Spinfast
20-Apr-09, 12:20pm
I was djing an u18s for the local pcyc and I was talking to one of the cops and he said they turn a blind eye on it if you give out free mixtapes such as throwing them out at gigs, its when your selling them they care. He said its a real grey area

pEAkeR_hAT
20-Apr-09, 12:26pm
SO every time i want to post up an online mix, i have to write to record companies and get permission ?

macc4
20-Apr-09, 12:27pm
just use an alias

Random_Kiwi
20-Apr-09, 12:28pm
I was djing an u18s for the local pcyc and I was talking to one of the cops and he said they turn a blind eye on it if you give out free mixtapes such as throwing them out at gigs, its when your selling them they care. He said its a real grey area

Yeah, but I think they don't turn a blind eye to "First 100 through the door get a free mix CD" kinda promo. Gotta be careful there...that's like using someone else music to actively promote your party/make money from it, in a round about way...

ifuseekamy
20-Apr-09, 01:14pm
Word was they were giving out mix cd's as part of a promo and got stung with a bill because of "What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the copyright owners breaks the law" I'm not sure about posting mixes hell i put one's on my myspace.

do you mean this case (http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/Music-industry-scores-win-in-DJ-copyright-case/0,130061744,139155178,00.htm) from 2004?

if so, they were making a profit from sales at their events...

just use an alias

if you had richard cobden chasing your tail, you wouldn't want to use that as a defence
the guy's like a 888 terminator for the music biz

Will666
20-Apr-09, 01:34pm
Hey dudes i just thought this might be good to know knowledge is power and all that. The rules are there yes it's a grey area just don't cry to your mum if you get stung with a great big fine.

slackas
20-Apr-09, 02:20pm
Hey dudes i just thought this might be good to know knowledge is power and all that. The rules are there yes it's a grey area just don't cry to your mum if you get stung with a great big fine.

fk you, i WILL cry to my mum

Spinfast
20-Apr-09, 03:16pm
The only time ull get stung is if u try sell it... pretty simple really. Its pretty hard to get caught but, take kronic for instance who is selling mixtapes on ebay lol.

manuka
20-Apr-09, 06:27pm
i know a dj who was sent a couple of letters threatening legal action if he kept distributing demo mixes to a mailing list. his cds did contain ministry of sound tracks (which, btw, are one of the hardest to get a license to use in oz) so he stopped certain runs. but he did find out that if you only press up 100 copies and distribute them to people who 'need to know' i.e. industry types, then that's actually a legal loophole you can use. otherwise the legal implications would be too prohibitive for industry development.

these are not facts, but second hand info - seek professional legal advice if you're unsure.

Peakin Pecan
20-Apr-09, 06:50pm
Imposing penatlies for giving out music in mix form for free is absolutely crazy i think... doesnt make sense. no monetary profits are being made as such and no profits arent exactly being stolen from artists, so whats the point of imposing fines? if anything, its getting an artists music out there - maximum exposure, which is never a bad thing. i will never be worried about giving out mix cds, i will sleep easily tonight

forenzik
20-Apr-09, 06:58pm
doesnt make sense... whats the point of imposing fines? if anything, its getting an artists music out there - maximum exposure, which is never a bad thing..yeah but the music industry still thinks it's 1989, not 2009 - they just don't get it

Peakin Pecan
20-Apr-09, 07:40pm
If u think hard enough, i guess u could see them using another artists music (in mix cd form) in order to increase their popularity/profile in order to gain more gigs etc. i guess this could be seen as monetary gain... but really... thats stretching it.

Prosecuting authorities need to look at the underlying truths and issues...

Will666
21-Apr-09, 08:31am
Spinfast The only time ull get stung is if u try sell it... pretty simple really. Its pretty hard to get caught but, take kronic for instance who is selling mixtapes on ebay lol.

What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the
copyright owners breaks the law.

Just incase you didn't read it

ifuseekamy
21-Apr-09, 08:50am
I wonder, would the same laws apply if another DJ tried to represent themselves by using YOUR demo CD? I've heard of this actually happening - a promoter receives two identical mixes from two different people. The trouble is then working out whose is the real mix and whose is the fake? Either way, neither person gets the gig and the person with the legitimate submission is disadvantaged.

If this happened to you, would you take the offending person to court for breach of copyright?

Spinfast
21-Apr-09, 08:57am
What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the
copyright owners breaks the law.

Just incase you didn't read it

Yes I know but they turn a blind eye to it if your not selling it... Unless of course your planning to give out thousands of copies... but a few per a gig wont do any harm. In fact most places encourage u to throw a few out for the crowd

Peakin Pecan
21-Apr-09, 12:12pm
^^^ what places spinfast? i thought u were 17?

Dr Bones
21-Apr-09, 12:15pm
it's not fucking rocket science

pay for the tunes you play

what if i don't have the receipts for any of my records?

Spinfast
21-Apr-09, 12:33pm
^^^ what places spinfast? i thought u were 17?

U18s mainly and stuff like that. The kids go crazy for free stuff haha :thumb:

macc4
21-Apr-09, 12:40pm
:lol:

I doubt the YMCA even gives a thought towards piracy

EvenAStoppedClock
21-Apr-09, 01:11pm
I have been reading some of the post's on mix/demo cd's and i just thought that i would post some of the rules that were sent to me from a friend. After some of the guys getting busted a soho's it's good to know where you stand if it's you getting busted. I know there is a heap of writing but a good and eye opening read.

MUSIC FOR DJS – ARE YOU DOING THE RIGHT THING?
As a DJ, your creativity and livelihood depends on music. This guide has been created
to educate you on the do’s and don’ts of using music as a DJ.
Some simple facts
What’s copyright?
When someone creates a piece of music (or a piece of text, a graphic, a photo, a film or anything else that is protected under copyright
laws), there is a whole system of legal rights and obligations that comes into play. These rights and obligations, outline what someone
can and can’t do with the material.
Who owns the copyright in a piece of music?
There is generally more than one owner of copyright in any given musical track. The composer who wrote the music owns copyright
in the musical works. The lyricist who wrote the lyrics owns copyright in the literary works. The artist who performed the music
owns copyright in a sound recording of their live performance. Finally, the maker of the recording (typically a record company) owns
copyright in the sound recording.
What rights do the copyright owners have?
The copyright owners have a number of exclusive rights, including the right to:
• Make copies of the tracks;
• Perform the tracks in public; and
• Communicate the tracks to the public.
How do I know if I am doing the right thing?
Can I copy legitimate CDs I own onto “compilation CDs” or my computer to play at gigs?
The purchase of a CD only gives you the right to own the physical disc, to play it privately, and to pass on the same physical disc to
another person. This means that copying music from a CD, without the permission of all relevant copyright owners, is an infringement
of copyright except in limited circumstances. Recent changes to the Copyright Act allow you to copy music legitimately obtained
for your private and domestic use on another device that you own eg. from CD to iPod. However, this does not extend to
copying music for use at your gigs.
If you want to copy your legitimate CDs into a more convenient format or onto your computer for playing at a gig, you must get:
1. Permission or a licence from the record company that controls the copyright in the sound recordings (contact the
Licensing Department of the relevant record company); and
2. A licence from AMCOS for the reproduction of the music. Generally, AMCOS will offer a “blanket” licence which allows
you to be covered for all reproduction of musical and literary works for certain purposes.
What about sampling music in a mix CD?
Sampling is the taking of a ‘substantial’ or recognisable portion of another artist’s work – including lyrics, melodies, rhythms and even
the recording itself. You have sampled an artist’s work if it is still recognisable as that work, regardless of whether you have altered the
original excerpt or placed it into a new context. Like copying music, sampling is only legal if you have been granted permission from
both the owner of the sound recording (generally through the Licensing Department of the relevant record company) and the owner
of the musical work (through AMCOS).
Is it illegal for me to copy music from the internet?
The basic legal principle is that you cannot copy or distribute music including from the internet without the permission of all relevant
copyright owners. There are a number of legitimate download sites in Australia which are listed on the MIPI website under Links. If
you are unsure of whether a particular website is appropriately licensed, you can contact MIPI.
What about using music obtained by file-sharing?
Unless authorised, the vast bulk of P2P ‘file sharing’ is considered illegal copying and transmission of copyright material. This activity
hurts sales of music and the livelihoods of people in the business.
What if I download music from a site overseas where the law might be different?
Internet activities of this sort typically involve acts of copying, transmission, or distribution in both the ‘receiving and sending’
countries and the laws of each will apply. Be aware that if you download music files to your PC located in Australia, without the
copyright owners’ permission, you are committing an infringement of copyright under Australian law.
Why should I bother to ask for permission to use samples or to copy music?
Not bothering to ask for permission may seem like the quickest and cheapest option when you decide to copy or sample, however
there are a number of other reasons why you might want to think twice:
• As a DJ you will appreciate that musicians deserve to be compensated for their hard work.
• If people aren’t willing to pay for the music they love, the music industry will find it increasingly difficult to commit the kind
of resources it takes to discover and develop new Australian talent.
• It is wrong. You wouldn’t steal a mobile phone, so why would you steal music?
• Under the Copyright Act, infringement of copyright by illegally copying (including over the internet), selling, distributing,
importing, performing or having in your possession illegal discs, attracts maximum penalties of up to $60,500 or 5 years
imprisonment for each infringement.
What if my ‘Mix CD’ is going to be distributed for free?
Regardless of whether or not you are making a profit from your CD, copying or sampling music without the permission of the
copyright owners breaks the law.
Do I need any licences to DJ at a club or other venue?
Yes, generally the venue (for example, the club, hotel, nightclub or restaurant) needs a public performance licence from APRA and
PPCA in order to allow you to play legitimately obtained music in public. However, in circumstances where you are performing at a
venue that would not ordinarily require a licence, you may need to get an APRA or PPCA public performance licence in your own
right.
I own a bar. Can I be responsible if the DJ is playing pirate discs or illegal MP3s?
As the owner or operator of premises you may be held liable for authorizing copyright infringement at your premises by allowing the
DJ to use pirate discs or illegal MP3 files.
Respect copyright in music
Music piracy has a major effect on the music industry. The makers of the music, the composers, lyricists and all the other people
involved in the music industry are paying the price with less legitimate music being sold. People’s livelihoods are affected. Honest DJs
may be forced out of business because they can’t compete with the pricing of the pirate DJ. As a result of piracy there is less money
to be invested in making new music discs, which ultimately means less music for your next gig.
Need more information?
MIPI www.mipi.com.au (02) 8569 1177
APRA|AMCOS www.apra.com.au (02) 9935 7900
PPCA www.ppca.com.au (02) 8569 1111

Paragraphs FFS.

slackas
21-Apr-09, 01:21pm
Paragraphs FFS.

Did you HAVE to quote it?

Spinfast
21-Apr-09, 01:44pm
:lol:

I doubt the YMCA even gives a thought towards piracy

Yea cause I fully play that crap...

seanious
21-Apr-09, 02:12pm
thread now descends into everyone trying to be a big man and jokes about sucking penis

ifuseekamy
21-Apr-09, 02:24pm
:stroke:

might be funny

:-D

should have made a joke about cucking socks

:rainman:

what wos i thinking?

:lol:

mrkek
22-Apr-09, 02:37am
I wonder, would the same laws apply if another DJ tried to represent themselves by using YOUR demo CD? I've heard of this actually happening - a promoter receives two identical mixes from two different people. The trouble is then working out whose is the real mix and whose is the fake? Either way, neither person gets the gig and the person with the legitimate submission is disadvantaged.

If this happened to you, would you take the offending person to court for breach of copyright?

Kick the fuck out of the offending DJ.

If anyone has actually done this, they are the lamest fuck on the face of the planet, and should have landed on a kleenex instead.

Seriously, where are the morals.

Will666
22-Apr-09, 09:34am
Paragraphs FFS.

I just cut and paste the info into the thread if you don't like it go to the link so you can read it for yourself...........I'll refrain from words i wanted to use here

slackas
22-Apr-09, 09:53am
I just cut and paste the info into the thread if you don't like it go to the link so you can read it for yourself...........I'll refrain from words i wanted to use here

Could have still split it up for easy reading IMO