which cdj's is best for turntablism? [Archive]

THIERRY01

28-Oct-09, 11:02pm

don't know what happen to my last post!!

but am thinking of purchasing some cdj's not sure which one cause i've never used them before...which would be best for turntablism (cdj 800,1000 or 2000) please help.

Papanikolas

28-Oct-09, 11:04pm

SL1200s

THIERRY01

28-Oct-09, 11:08pm

SL1200s

am going from turntables to cdj's only cause most gigs hardly even has turntables these days...

just want to know which cdj's is best for scratching,beat juggling,sampling etc..

macc4

28-Oct-09, 11:11pm

wouldn't you want to get the same ones as these gigs?

johnjay

28-Oct-09, 11:22pm

hahahahah

THIERRY01

28-Oct-09, 11:32pm

wouldn't you want to get the same ones as these gigs?

of course!

but what would be better in the cdj's?

but most places has different one's some even still have the old denon 2000 but am after cdj's..

aliasneo

28-Oct-09, 11:39pm

cdj 1000's mk3... and right now they are very affordable :) Get yourself a pair of them and you will be mixing in no time, just like you do with the turntables, I use them in vinyl mode all the time and if you can use 1 or the other you can usually pick it up quite easily within 10 minutes tops :P

Goodluck.

volts_wagen

29-Oct-09, 01:22am

SL1200s

was going to say the same thing :D

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 06:52am

Eclerkid

29-Oct-09, 08:20am

Make sure you check out the Dennons options, heaps of videos available with people using the 3500s & 3700s for beat juggling scratching etc......

You can also use a real piece if vinyl on the platter for the more authentic feel......

brendanClay

29-Oct-09, 09:29am

cdj 1000's mk3... and right now they are very affordable :)

Have I missed something here?

Where are you shopping?! The last time I checked, prices were starting from $1,600.00.

Dr Bones

29-Oct-09, 09:34am

he probably means second hand affordable because there are those who are selling to get 2000s.

slackas

29-Oct-09, 10:47am

Turntablism is not possible on CDJs IMO...

someone prove me wrong with a video that isnt shit....

pomrocks

29-Oct-09, 10:57am

Turntablism is not possible on CDJs IMO...

someone prove me wrong with a video that isnt shit....

it's like trying to play football (soccer) with a rugby ball

Gregama

29-Oct-09, 11:02am

heh, I did think the thread title was a bit of an oxymoron!

slackas

29-Oct-09, 11:03am

it's like trying to play football (soccer) with a rugby ball

Or saying your a football player when you only play FIFA '09 on xbox 360...

JUST NOT THE SAME....

Vinyl/DVS should be the only option for turntablists IMO...

WADZA

29-Oct-09, 11:35am

Turntablism is not possible on CDJs IMO...

it's called 'CDJism', or one who practices the art of CDJism its a 'CDJist' :lol:

but seriously, to the OP, if you want to do 'turntablism' then you need to stay on vinyl (or serato with TT's). If you're playing at clubs where they book you for your 'turntablism' skills, i'm sure they would have to have 1200's in their booth, or at least somewhere there for you to use.

if you wanna switch to cd's but still bust out a 'wicky-scratch' every so often, just switch to 1000's or 800's at home. but still not very good for 'turntablism' imo.

Funkedub

29-Oct-09, 02:31pm

am going from turntables to cdj's only cause most gigs hardly even has turntables these days...

just want to know which cdj's is best for scratching,beat juggling,sampling etc..

junggling ? CDJs?

1 loop on each CDJ ... cut back n forth ... even cooler if the mixer has the nifty digital auto start fader thingy plugged in ... next to zero skills required :zabiela:

Face it, you're going to be faced with Pioneer decks 9 times out of 10 ... so get a feel for scratching on them.

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:00pm

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:02pm

Have I missed something here?

Where are you shopping?! The last time I checked, prices were starting from $1,600.00.

$1600 each? thats pricey..

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:06pm

Turntablism is not possible on CDJs IMO...

someone prove me wrong with a video that isnt shit....

really that kinda sux!
but are they ok for scratching?

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:11pm

it's called 'CDJism', or one who practices the art of CDJism its a 'CDJist' :lol:

but seriously, to the OP, if you want to do 'turntablism' then you need to stay on vinyl (or serato with TT's). If you're playing at clubs where they book you for your 'turntablism' skills, i'm sure they would have to have 1200's in their booth, or at least somewhere there for you to use.

if you wanna switch to cd's but still bust out a 'wicky-scratch' every so often, just switch to 1000's or 800's at home. but still not very good for 'turntablism' imo.

yea true thanks..
much of difference between 800 and 1000?

louislogic

29-Oct-09, 05:12pm

really that kinda sux!
but are they ok for scratching?

nah, not really. actually... fuck you.

slackas

29-Oct-09, 05:13pm

really that kinda sux!
but are they ok for scratching?

no, not at all... cdj's arent designed to.

Its not about the sound, because the sound is fine, but you miss out on things like:

*Marking your records
*Needle dropping
*Developing a light touch (on the vinyl)
*real beat juggling.
*crate digging (for vinyl)

Watch scratch (doco), i-emerge 2004 DMC champ, or any oldschool craze vid to see skill that just wouldnt be worth seeing on a CDJ.

I know plenty of my turntablist friends who play out, they normally use tech12's and serato or traktor. If your going to play in a club as a turntablist or a urban dj who puts a little effort into his transitions then you really shouldnt get CDJ's.

If you want to focus on mixing, looping, effects and not carrying much, go for CDJ1000s.

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:15pm

junggling ? CDJs?

1 loop on each CDJ ... cut back n forth ... even cooler if the mixer has the nifty digital auto start fader thingy plugged in ... next to zero skills required :zabiela:

Face it, you're going to be faced with Pioneer decks 9 times out of 10 ... so get a feel for scratching on them.

thanks!
will check them
for scratching whats better 800 or 1000 or are they similar?

slackas

29-Oct-09, 05:17pm

thanks!
will check them
for scratching whats better 800 or 1000 or are they similar?

i would 1000 would be better for what you want, access to hot cues would be better than auto-looping.

p.s. i dont think ur sarcasm detector is working...

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:22pm

nah, not really. actually... fuck you.

why?

Pro Tool

29-Oct-09, 05:23pm

Which thread's is best for repeatism?

THIERRY01

29-Oct-09, 05:31pm

i was only reply to everyone's though on the cdj's not trying to piss anyone off here!

Pro Tool

29-Oct-09, 05:35pm

:lol: I'm just having a laff mate. Relax.

Funkedub

29-Oct-09, 07:00pm

i would 1000 would be better for what you want, access to hot cues would be better than auto-looping.

p.s. i dont think ur sarcasm detector is working...

only lazy morons would use auto-looping ... i always make loops "manually"

archietech

29-Oct-09, 07:15pm

you do everything better though :(

Pro Tool

29-Oct-09, 07:15pm

Oh Funke you're so credible.

I don't buy toilet paper, i wipe my ass with a tree.

aliasneo

29-Oct-09, 07:34pm

he probably means second hand affordable because there are those who are selling to get 2000s.
Yes thats exactly what I meant...I brought mine second hand, its the way to go and they are still in excellent condition. I was thinking of selling mine for a 2000 but I need to like sell both of my 1000 mk3s plus the djm 800 to get just about 1! I will stick to the 1000s for now hahaha

Funkedub

29-Oct-09, 07:52pm

you do everything better though :(

That's what people find easier to assert.

Unlike a lot of folks on these forums i refrains from making attacks on people's personalities, but i sure do get a shedload made against mine XD

I'm no better than the next person, and i know it.

But i also know the next person is no better than me.

slackas

29-Oct-09, 08:12pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfl90nv9Y10

i found someone mixing/scratching on CDJs

toilet trained

29-Oct-09, 08:39pm

Anthony Pappa can scatch on CDj's...that is about all i have to offer

johnjay

29-Oct-09, 08:44pm

de la souls dj was using cdj 1000s when I saw them at summadayze in gold coast

johnjay

29-Oct-09, 08:48pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfl90nv9Y10

i found someone mixing/scratching on CDJs
some shit music for yah right there

Stuen

29-Oct-09, 09:06pm

some shit music for yah right there
the worst

slackas

29-Oct-09, 09:21pm

some shit music for yah right there

i think i proved my point then :D

But seriously, i really dont believe that turntablism can translate to new forms of control ie CD or midi... DVS is the turntablist best friend in these new fangled times...

johnjay

29-Oct-09, 09:24pm

some more shitty music being played on cdjs while some scratching is going on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nKhJutK8ck&feature=fvw

correlation of the two = 1

why?

slackas

29-Oct-09, 10:32pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9gy1puj3rQ

tech12's

louislogic

29-Oct-09, 10:33pm

a cdj is only ever going to pick up directional movement. a record picks up vibrations.. whole different world

slackas

29-Oct-09, 10:35pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiUuCbeKAus

Peakin Pecan

29-Oct-09, 10:38pm

oh god that DJ is terrible... i mean sure he can scratch and whatnot, I just hate that style. any style that encourages the DJ to use the mic is just wrong... mc's are there for a reason, that guy is laughable :lol:

DJBT

29-Oct-09, 10:50pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfl90nv9Y10

i found someone mixing/scratching on CDJs

considering its shit music, i still believe he does a relitivly good job of it though

louislogic

29-Oct-09, 11:33pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9gy1puj3rQ

tech12's

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

excellent.

Johbremat

30-Oct-09, 01:16am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9gy1puj3rQ

tech12's

That's next level. Dude put so much effort into that routine - rather than shit a brick - two and a half minutes in and he shat a cat!

Eclerkid

30-Oct-09, 08:18am

a cdj is only ever going to pick up directional movement. a record picks up vibrations.. whole different world

best and most logical argument in this thread.....

johnjay

30-Oct-09, 12:44pm

that Ligone vid is dope, but his using custom plates

dmc entrants should only be allowed to use records they have dug

what do u all think?

slackas

30-Oct-09, 01:03pm

that Ligone vid is dope, but his using custom plates

dmc entrants should only be allowed to use records they have dug

what do u all think?

This has been discussed a million times, (maybe not on these boards)

Times have changed, i would much rather see DMC champs with home cut records than a DVS...

louislogic

30-Oct-09, 02:47pm

^^ id personally group custom plates and DVS together.

what difference would it make whether its custom plates or a DVS playing the same 'song' in absolute mode and no touching the laptop? none!

i'd rather watch a much less technically advanced routine exemplifying digging, record swapping, forcing weird shit to work in the hip hop format etc than a custom record or dvs set..
i mean in 2009, custom records are just a more expensive, redundant, out dated method of achieving exactly what DVS was designed for.

and in 'normal' or 'oldschool' dmc style sets I know what is going on at least.. as if anyone knows what is actually happening for 70% of most new school custom record sets. you don't know how they've set up the records.. you have to rewind, pause etc to actually figure it out.

times have definitely changed.. the DMC used to be massive! i doubt that even half of the dj's around at the moment even know what it is...

slackas

30-Oct-09, 02:54pm

times have definitely changed.. the DMC used to be massive! i doubt that even half of the dj's around at the moment even know what it is...

Agreed, didnt the 2009 aussie DMC get cancelled due to financial reasons?

Just glad to i got to see craze in a DJ workshop up close and fkn rip through some of his old DMC winning sets... :D

pEAkeR_hAT

30-Oct-09, 04:26pm

a cdj is only ever going to pick up directional movement. a record picks up vibrations.. whole different world

I don't understand what you mean.

AfroWhitie

30-Oct-09, 05:32pm

I don't understand what you mean.

tap a ttable platter with your finger you will hear a drumming sound in the speakers

Cd player - nothing

Thats because the Needle is essentially a "microphone" picking up the sound vibrations in the grooves...

Very laymans explanation but a shot at least :)

slackas

30-Oct-09, 05:36pm

tap a ttable platter with your finger you will hear a drumming sound in the speakers

Cd player - nothing

Thats because the Needle is essentially a "microphone" picking up the sound vibrations in the grooves...

Very laymans explanation but a shot at least :)

tl:dr, now what did he mean?

pEAkeR_hAT

30-Oct-09, 07:41pm

Yeah i understand that, but what difference does it make when you scratch ?

I'v been scratching for a little while now (vinyl) and all i really do is tears, trasformers, click flares, stabs, babys etc

I hardly see anyone bump the needle or record to scratch, am i missing out on something that everyone does ?

Funkedub

30-Oct-09, 08:09pm

Yeah i understand that, but what difference does it make when you scratch ?

This discussion has been had before on this forum.

It's glaringly obvious that some people understand it, and some don't.

It comes down to physics really ... it's the difference between playing a piano and MIDI keyboard.

THIERRY01

30-Oct-09, 10:05pm

alright thanks i've understood looks like serato or sl 1200 or 1210's is the go for turntablism
but yea i guess at the end of the day i do want to learn how to mix on the cdj's and guess u still can scratch on them but not the way i expected and also will be using for production use too so i can create my own samples and scratch them in track's and mixes but serato still sound kinda better but am not into carrying a laptop around at gigs..
anyway thanks.

pEAkeR_hAT

31-Oct-09, 03:53am

This discussion has been had before on this forum.

It's glaringly obvious that some people understand it, and some don't.

It comes down to physics really ... it's the difference between playing a piano and MIDI keyboard.

Yeah i don't understand still, oh well.

:what:

KidStylesNz

31-Oct-09, 12:33pm

Yeah Thierry you can still scratch on cdj's. And do juggles. Ive had a little jam on cdj's and it wasnt that bad.

Ive seen dj's at dmc comps do juggles on cdj's during the breaks of competitions. Made it sound clean and as if he was on turnies. Practice i guess.

Sounds like you just wanna touch on your mixing skills on j's by adding a few scratch drops here and there and other turntablists techniques during your sets?