programs!!!!!!!!!

[DooF_DooF]

hi,
can any1 give me some programs 2 make hard trance/techno music wif alot of bass and samples.
i know some1 has prob said dis b4 but im new and if any1 can help me it would be widely appreciated

thanxX(

[Hardicus]

HAH!!
I think you will need to understand that it take a little more than a lot of bass and samples to make music, but for your purposes, i'd recommend Fruityloops 3.55.

This isn't a warez forum, so I can't tell you where to get it, but at least you know what to look for.

[driload]

hahah i love that attitude

on a really shitty night heading to a gig my car broke down, so in a taxi i go (40 buck ride... ouch)

anyway cabbie chatting as usual, he was asking what all the silver boxes/cases in the car were, and i said music gear

"a band eh?"

"yeah, but more in an electronic sense"

in comes a 5 minute attempt to describe an Old Person what breaks/dnb is...

he picks up on "tekkkno shit eh? why you need all that shit then? its all the same... boom boom boom and some other shit, why dont you make some real music"


hahaha i nearly cried

the night of hell

i remember it too well




as for asking for programs on this forum...

thats a big fucking no no. the net is full of options ot you. what WE can help with is how to use those programs, as you will find it is NOT "boom boom boom and some other shit"

heh heh

[phunkdust]

yep, this is not the place to ask for warez, no one on here supports warez or will give you warez

however if you aquire programs legally we are happy to provide assistance to you in using those legally aquired programs...

thankyou, come again...

[psycho-martian]

i use 'buzz', it's fairly simple but very powerful. plus it's freeware. it's tempting to go down the pirated software road but without the manuals you'll have a hard time learning the s/w.

use buzz and sort ya self out with a good sound card & monitors and you'll be right.

www.buzzmachines.com
www.buzzmanual.com

[DooF_DooF]

i downloaded buzz and hav been mucking around wif it and it is very hard. can u give me some tips that would be helpfull

[digitalboy2020]

Originally posted by phunkdust
yep, this is not the place to ask for warez, no one on here supports warez or will give you warez

however if you aquire programs legally we are happy to provide assistance to you in using those legally aquired programs...

thankyou, come again...

Yep, no-one on these boards ever, ever used cracked software. no-one even has one single cracked plugin on their drives. :lol:

[meandarkdirty]

I don't think that was necessarily an ask for warez. Anyway

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm

That'll keep you busy.

[phunkdust]

no, i do not use warez. at all :lol:

i used to have a lot of warez, then i wisened up and started paying for software... what with free upgrades and support and such, it's not a bad idea... you *dont* have to start out with a several thousand dollar package like protools or logic, you can start off down the bottom with acid or orion or fruity. reason is more expensive (800 or so) but its worth it...

[N4TE]

This might be a good time to point out the music production and technology FAQ you'll find at the top of these forums. If you're new, and you're serious, read them. THEN come asking questions. If you're new, and you're not serious, or reading a FAQ seems like too much hard work, maybe the fine and intricate art of making a machine make music isn't for you. You need to be patient. You need to work things out yourself, read manuals, get an understanding of what you're talking about, what's possible and what's affordable.

You weren't the first and won't be the last person to be told this. Do your research.

[driload]

for the newer members let me re-iterate

when this forum started we decided its a little safe harbour away from the rest of the net in the vien of the ITM community

we dont talk about warez and serialz for the simple reason that this is covered IN GREAT DETAIL everywhere on the net and ITM doesnt need that influence on here


so wether we use crackz or not, is not the issue

please respect this decision to keep music talk "above ground" and feel free to say/comment/do pretty much whatever you want


here to help and talk shit like the rest of you


ps, for the muso newbies, do not expect it to be as easy as you think. even for 'old salts' like Polarbear every day is a new step in refining your art

pps, and you are allowed to piss polarbear off by constantly emailing him saying "can you get bexta to sign my Make It Phunkee cd"

heh heh

he'd love that

[phunkdust]

Originally posted by driload
pps, and you are allowed to piss polarbear off by constantly emailing him saying "can you get bexta to sign my Make It Phunkee cd"

:lol: gold! :lol:

[kenada]

Originally posted by psycho-martian
i use 'buzz', it's fairly simple but very powerful. plus it's freeware. it's tempting to go down the pirated software road but without the manuals you'll have a hard time learning the s/w.

use buzz and sort ya self out with a good sound card & monitors and you'll be right.

www.buzzmachines.com
www.buzzmanual.com

Tracker based music production is for those who can program languages and think it's pie.

Maths and algorithms are ugly, as is the interface, looks like olde corel shit I used to do at school.

Haa haa, that reminds me those corel programs made you turn left 3 times to turn right. I think that sums up buzz for me.

Fork out the klams or beans or whatever you call them and get reason 2, more parameters to tweek then you can poke a preverbial at.


just my 2c ;D

[kenada]

Originally posted by DooF_DooF


alot of bass and samples.

thanxX(

hee hee, couldn't let that go without a roastin'


"C'mon Ya'll" "Wait for the Bassline"

OONCE OONCE OONCE OONCA.

Skitz mix 6 mate. Eat ya heart out. :offchops: :lol: :offchops:

[polarbear]

look, fuck off, idiot.

ask her yourself.

[psycho-martian]

well considering it's free, it's pretty good. it runs excellent on a low spec pc and uses minimal resources. if ya just starting out it's a good package to use. There's hundreds of DSPs, synths & drum machines to keep ya busy.

here's what i read on a Sasha interview in 'remix'

>>>>>>>>>
A lot of interesting processing is going on in "Bloodlock".

That's the one track on the album that has a big-room, club sound, and it was put together differently than the other tracks. I worked on that with James Holden. He used a piece of freeware called Buzz [www.buzzmachines.com]. I've never seen a software program like it. It looks completely different from anything I've worked with before. James knows it inside out. It has its own sound, but we'd also run plug-ins through it. We wrote that track on his laptop and then transferred it to Pro Tools and gave it that big shimmering Pro Tools sound. It came from a different angle than the rest of the album. It also has a bit of an old-school feel with that hoovering bass line and the thrashing 909 stuff.
>>>>>>>>>

interesting huh?

[House of God]

Look im gunna put my head on the chopping block here:)

EJAY!!! (3 or above) If your new to this gig and your NOT qite sure if you have what it takes (trust me alot of people dont) then this is a cheap (relatively at around $100) easy program.....plus the sound quality is professional (which is important if you wanna make cd's) AND they have "Sound collection Cd's" which give you like 7000 royalty free loops etc.....its all royalty free PROVIDED that you DONT sell the individual pieces or the program etc....basically you cant just rip em off.

NOW ive found that there are a few gliches and its fucking tempremental (Dance ejay 3) BUT the enjoyment you get is well worth the hassles and most likely my problems arise from me:)lol

I have been to more bullitin boards and forums and websites than you can poke a stick at which constantly say "Ejay is childs play" or "Ejay sucks cause its cheap" and although i was easily swayed at first i have come to the realization that any program is ONLY as good as the persons ear behind it!!

Ive heard songs by people whove spent thousands upon thousands on gear and time and all that shit and these songs sounded absoulutely CRAP.

BUT (as there always is when it comes to my advice)...

The Ejay line (as it is now anyway) IS NOT a forever tool.

You will eventually have to upgrade if you want to really expand your artistic ability and sound....what i did was buy a Korg ES-1 which basically is a sampler meaning i NOW can create my own signature sounds....plus i look for freebies on the net and then delete them a month later when i decide enough is enough (as i did with Buzz....for me it turned music into a fucking maths exam).

AND (this is a new word with emphasis i will use today):

GET DECENT HARDWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spend your money on a Computer (preferably made specific) now if you are able to do that i suggest talking to Phunkdust as he knows alot about that......and get a sound card (not really necissary to begin well a basic computer one is) as they have all the plug in stuff for instruments and inputs and stuff.

Now the good thing about my advice is that ive been doing this for a mere 10 mnths and im doing very well with 4 songs being picked for dance radio and club play.....Im unemployed so i am as poor if not poorer than you:)...Its safe to say that im starting as from close to the bottom as you can get:) (these days)...

If you choose to go straight to the middle (well the top is BIG BIG MONEY) then so far the recommended programs are...

Reason 2
Cubasis sx (or somefin)
Logic or protools (BUT i believe these are more for bands and stuff)
and then there is what i call your more Dj style programs such as Acid/Fruity/Cooledit meaning low level production and remixes (not low level quality mind you).

Well im sure ive been absolutely no help whatsoever but i just wanted to be mr knowledgable for a day:)

Cheers Kirk.

[phunkdust]

dude, are you still usin eJay?

stop now, get a real program and start learning that...

honestly, although eJay does come with a lot of samples, they are largely unoriginal, untweakable, and some day you're going to have used them all, and you'll be quite fucked then...

the real problem with eJay and it's cousin Mixman, is that anybody can use this piece of software and use the same sample you did and make tracks that sound just the same as yours.

now listen up mate...

if you want to become serious, if you want to learn how to produce properly and come join the big boys, then you're going to have to start weaning yourself off this eJay toy and upgrading. Why? Flexibility, and ORIGINALITY.

I'd be looking at downloading some demos, I think you'd be best if you moved to Orion, Fruityloops, or Reason2.

At least Reason is a professional program that has been used to make several commerically-released tracks.

There's more to music than arranging samples in a line. There's hardly any creativity in that. Sure it can sound good, but you're going to have to get serious sometime.

[House of God]

Phunk...hahahahaha.

Mate well ill be sure to go to the back of the yard and tear a few thousand of the "Money Tree" maybe you would like some while im there?

Ive gotten so many damn demos and stuff but MOST will not let you save on them...and i sure as hell am not going to waste 5hrs on a great track and then just let it be deleted...what a joke.

Regarding arranging in lines....well as i said in my last post...alot of people THINK they are producers cause they spend shitloads of money..BUT they make crap songs......you need an ear to be any good at this game.

Ive had alot of people try to make songs on ejay and ive heard alot of people too...and guess what??? Its not that easy my friend:)

No.3 comes with an arranger thing for making my own beats and stuff and an fx studio for changing samples and a whole bank of individual sounds aswell...you can cut and edit individual waves also which i do.

BOTTOM LINE is that just because its easy to use and simple DOESNT make it any less a valuable tool.

You loved my cd and you havnt even heard the latest 2 songs....and you didnt know i was using ejay? I think that says something right there my friend:)

Until ive got the money to upgrade...fucked if im gunna stop the creativity just for all those out there that feel superior and yet arnt making songs worth the bytes they take up:(

Plus i dont really care if people copy my songs.....i would care if i thought i didnt have the talent to follow them up with better ones.

Cheers......Kirk.

[phunkdust]

alot of people THINK they are producers cause they spend shitloads of money..BUT they make crap songs......

hrm, reminds me of a few people i know... ;D

[driload]

some kids grow up collecting baseball cards

some have paper runs to pay for their collection of batman figurines

i worked in a factory as a kid and collected surfboards and music gear and electronics. didnt make me a better surfer or musician but ignited a passion that has stayed with me for life. much of the music ive written is hilarious in retrospect, totally shit, or totally awesome.

i reckon, get what you can afford hard-ware wise, and just crack those demo's you are using. dont waste time with sub-standard software like Ejay. get a good editor and a good tracker/arranger and buy yourself a cheap synth. this gives you the right SKILLS and BACKGROUND that will create the foundation of your future. Ejay wont do that.


im with Cakewalk, who fucked off dongles and other stupid things to concentrate just on their software. all my software now is purchased and im currently going through my most used shareware to slowly register it, and that brings me to the end of my "cut back to what works for me" period where i grew out of Warez-Hood and those Apra checks came in handy


fuck ejay, fuck mixman-ultra-ultra-preset-3000 ezy ezy dj dj mix mix special edition


each to their own but get yourself something that challenges you and keep to the fundmentals of music.

listening to Rythm Device by Uberzone..... fuck me. reckon he did that on Ejay?

heh heh heh


ps, the gear i own doesnt make me a good musician. my incurable OCD does! bahahahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

[House of God]

Well i certainly am not gunna sit back and take this!!!

Im sorry guys but all i hear is alot of unjustified self worship of ones own tools.

I make great songs (im in the process of uploading my latest for you all to listen too).

I am making songs that are getting huge amounts of praise and nothing but great comments...i have had several producers ask to work with me, and ive recieved requests from some little labels to consider them.

4 songs for radio of 1 album full of every song ive done (and a few of them are less than impressive).

And a possible music video to be aired on rage.

The truth is that there is ALL WAYS some one with better equiptment and accesability to better opportunities.

Im sure there are millions of producers in massive studios that would laugh at you guys too and tell you that your equiptment is a toy or whatever BUT the BOTTOM LINE is the EARS are the judge...if it fucking sounds good then put up or shut up i say!

It never ceases to amaze me the arrogance of people who really have no qualifications for it.

(thats more a general term than anything)

Im sorry guys BUT i am not the kind of person who is gunna sit back and listen to other amatuer peopple tell me how amatuer i am, especially when they didnt know, they were impressed.

Maybe my latest 2 songs will really show my talent and ability for this.

BTW the ejay program i have differs LITTLE from what the demos ive seen offer...the only noticable difference is the rather bright colours ejay uses....but if you see the screen shots of reason..well it looks just as bigger toy!

Ok my outburst is over.

Kirk.

[phunkdust]

HoG, when you're actually releasing CDs and getting a cheque, then you can masturbate. until then, get your hands out of your pants and get some work done.

[Sean]

Originally posted by phunkdust
HoG, when you're actually releasing CDs and getting a cheque, then you can masturbate. until then, get your hands out of your pants and get some work done.

amen phunk. HoG u need to go down the the local restaraunt and buy urslf a serve of humble pie.

im in agreeance with these boys. you should find some software that will release your creative potential. you obviously have some, but you will be held back in the long term by the fact that you are just using the standard loops that come with a cheap piece of software. that said you don't have to spend a fortune. both acid 4.0 and fruityloops 3.55 are available now at bargain basement prices and both will unlock a lot more of your creative potential then eJay will. both allow you to take advantage of the world of vsti's both free and cheap. and then down the line if u want to, expensive ones too.

like you, i am an amateur producer, i may not have been at it for as long as you have but i know what its like to operate on a small budget. but i know i get a great deal of satisfaction when i can listen to one of my songs and know that every single loop and sound was created by me from my own ideas. it may be harder to do right now. and my tracks may not be as good as if i had sequenced other peoples loops, but i know that my skills as a producer have benefitted.

[House of God]

Look guys....

I know my last post sounded a little full of myself :(

But NO MORE full of myself than a few of the others here...phunk.


I am not saying that i am at a high level as far as skills...not at all.

All i was upset about was this certain reaction of mere mortals to the type of software i use when ive explained over and over again i just CAN NOT afford to upgrade.

I dont think that kind of attitude should be tolerated by anyone and well im certainly one not to tolerate it.

I KNOW my music is nowhere near as good as it could be with proper tools and hardware.....and thats what keeps me going...the dream and anticipation of designing a completely original sound.

But the topic of this thread was someone wanting to get into it....and i truelly believe that Ejay is a great step and trust me when i say..its not as easy as dragging and dropping.

Now ive said my piece...and i DO appologise for the bullshit of my last post about my abillity...but sometimes you do have to say the truth in order to stomp out the lies.

Cheers......Kirk.

[driload]

heh heh

we older and more poorer-thanks-to-studios types are allowed to bitch and whine cause of how much effort and sacrifice it takes to get "here". (my "here" is different to you "here" and so on... but figuratively, its not easy to get "here")


and we are allowed to be egotistical pricks because when all is said and done, it doesnt mean shit and its just music. plus its a game anyway... i never get worked up about this Game.



now excuse me while i go perform fellatio on my MPC and rub KYjelly into my new 21" monitor. oh and i FINALLY learnt how to tune my congas properly... now i can play them again (for fucks sake! hahah im so stupid).

ps, buy our fucking album. top selling album in Central Station at brisbane last week. that doesnt happen with Ejay. that happened with VERY simple gear and a lot of effort by a bunch of (originally) lamers.

pps, we can sell albums but we are still no-talent wankers. think you are good? go listen to Beethoven. we're all shit-house compared to standards like that. think you rule the music world? TRAVEL! go see native musicians. eastern europian music blew me AWAY!

fuck this ejay bullshit. theres a world of accoustics and timing signatures and electronics and culture out there!

[kaossproject]

software, software,software.................boring!!!!!!

The amount of half-arsed wankers that sit around at parties these dayz and wank over programs is incredible.......sort of reminds me of a time when some one who had a set of decks at home was the legend.:lol: (we've now seen what became of these superstar DJ wanna be's - they get their photo in the dictionary beside the word "WANKER" or "musically challenged").

Its all superfluous dribble.

But it does make for some fun when its so easy to cause arguments and watch people get all excited:tripping:

[mungo]

I think "house of god" has missed the point, until you are using samples no bigger than one note you cant say its all your own work. Its fine to occasionally use a 1 bar loop of some cool song from the past and rework it into your own music. But if you just take preset melodic samples and add them to a preset rythmic sample there is no originality in the music although you may learn a little form or structure, that aint going to make a musician. For those interested where all these programs originated from try to dig up a roland classic "do re mix" it was the same thing released in 1994 except all in the midi domain. You just gotta laugh at the "shaker" in it, there is no easier way to generate the same generic crap over and over.