Should a man be able to sue a woman if she gets pregnant?

[Kazi]

.....was reading a article about this...what do u guys think....i lean more towards no as really it takes two to tango and there is such a thing as contraception.....

what are ur thoughts??

[Mellow D]

Do you mean if she's trying to get pregnant but he thinks she's on the pill or something....??

Altho I think it's totally low for a chick to by lying about contraception they shouldn't hold the sole responsibility for it.
So if a guy really doesn't want a kid, and the trust isn't there, condoms are the only way to be safe!

[sofu]

No, but he should be given the right to punch her in the stomach once.

[bella boo]

I agree with you Kazi...it takes two to tango and there is such a thing as contraception. People should learn to use it.

[kpkp]

i don't think suing is the answer but it's definatley a dodgy area... just ask my brother, a soon to be daddy

[Mellow D]

Sofu....

If you look really really closely at your screen... you'll see that ITM has a tiny thin line running down it.

Dude.... you tend to cross that really thin line sometimes....




;)

[emstar69]

No way. Both people are responsible for their actions.

[Cosmica]

There was an issue recently where a man sued a woman for falsely claiming the child was his, and after he paid 40,000+ in child welfare, found out that the child was not his. He had no other way of getti9ng his money back.


Is this the issue you are referring to?

[kpkp]

yes both are responsible for their actions... but when a girl says she's on the pill it's her responsibility to wear protection anyway

[Mellow D]

I think that it is so fkg wrong of women to con some poor guy into thinking their child is his and taking maintenance money off them.

What's worse is when the father finds out the child his supported and called his own for so long isn't his.... I couldn't imagine anything more devastating to say the least...

[JessMess]

Originally posted by sofu
No, but he should be given the right to punch her in the stomach once.

well, no they shouldn't be able to sue, there's no way of telling whether a pregnancy was intentional or not if someone is saying that it was intentional on one party's behalf and not the other's....

I can see it coming under "intentional infliction of emotional distress" tho....

And sofu, that's pretty fucked up.

[Kazi]

yeh they were saying should a law be put in place too protect men from woman who deliberately get pregnant....yes i do agree on this...

but then the argument was - you cant prove that a woman deliberately got pregnant andf if a law is made, then would it become to the point that woman would then be forced to terminate pregnancies....

in two minds just thought it was a interesting article...

[madhatter]

If you have sex and the girls gets pregnant, men should not be able to sue. That would be completey retarded if they could. After all it takes two to have a child. If you don't want children, there is variuos methods to avoid it. USE PROTECTION if you don't want a child. Like come on it's basic commen sense here.

[FunkStu]

Anal is the answer.

[kpkp]

ever heard of entrapment madhatter... it does happen

[Cales405]

A girl once told me she was on the pill and I was doing the unprotected thing, but I queried her as I was spending days and nights with her and never saw her take a pill or have pills in her handbag. She told me she lied. I felt stupid and learnt from my lesson (not to trust to easily), really it was a little my fault too.

That relationship didn't last as she was a two buck ho and she did the dirty on me with a mate of mine, which recently just had a kid to her. SUCKER!!

[oni0n]

Originally posted by Cales405
I was doing the unprotected thing..... she was a two buck ho

class :/

[SpaceMonkey]

The ability to sue might b going a bit far, but if a woman claims to be on the pill when she isn't in order to get a man to have unprotected sex with her, and this can be proven then there is a potential case for the waiver of child support rights. However I'd say that this would be pretty difficult to prove in court. Hmmm, maybe us guys should carry some sort of form that we get ourt partners to sign before we agree to do the deed? :P

[mike_L]

Originally posted by FunkStu
Anal is the answer.

yeh anal will never get her up the duff

if you knock her up and she told you she was on the pill yada yada yada.....you should be able to not pay child support and all that stuff IF there was an appropriate and "ethical" legal process that would ensure that she got preggos without consulting him and lieing to him saying she was using contraception and so on


but if its a case of accident, like condom breaking or something thats a bit of a tricky one, because thats a risk you know you are taking when you have sex....

so its a sticky situation

[JulesPLees]

Like my health Ed teacher used to always say;
"If u dont wanna have kids then dont have sex"




Yeah right.

[Bushy]

In a way, if a girl blantanly told you she was taking the pill and she wasn't (on purpose at that) then maybe.. Abusing someones trust like that is just plain wrong.. In a way it can be likened to someone being HIV positive, knowing it, assuring you they are a virgin or had a blood test and then having sex with you.. Fair enough if a girl makes a mistake and forgets her pill.. It happens and you deal with it..

In the end though, how would you prove it? A lie detector test?

A good mate of mine was about 20 when he was having a casual relationship with a 30 y/o woman.. He was about to break it off with her as she was trying to cross those casual boundaries.. the woman, knowing it would be hard to find another guy like him kept begging to have sex with him again and stopped taking the pill.. Weeks after they broke up she started bribing him to get back with her saying whe was pregnant.. Long story short, he told her he still loved her but felt he was too young to have a kid and somehow persuaded her to have an abortion. Dumped her the next day.

[Sara-Bee]

No.

Just because the woman is the one that carries and
has the baby doesn't mean that it isn't anymore hers
than the guy. As it has been said takes TWO to tango.

Girls should insist on protection. I know its easy to
get wrapped up in the moment and think aaah myeah
just this once... (and I have been there done that) but
its just not worth the risk... and Guys yes there are
pathetic girls out there that say that are protected but
aren't so they can bait guys... fucked up yes.... but it
happens... so TAKE CONTROL yourselves... use protection,
unless you really truely trust the person you are
sleeping with.

[Instant Sam]

I'm assuming that a guy would sue on the basis that he was led to believe she was taking charge of the contreception, hence did not use a condom for coitus.

In a one on one situation, how do you prove in court of law what was or wasn't said before penetration (or ejaculation for you Redfern residers)?

[Lambretta]

It's a hard question and there is no right answer really.

I don't think a man has the right to sue a woman for getting pregnant, accidents happen and there's no real way of telling if someone was on contraception at the time or if it was really deliberate.

However I do believe that if no consent is reached upon the outcome of a pregnancy then people shouldn't be able to sue for child support either.

That way if one person makes it clear that they want no part in bringing up a child, then the responsibility of rearing that child will fall on the partner who wants it.


This will stop people from falling pregnant on purpose and asking someone they dont wish to set up home with to fund the raising of their child. However, it would rely on someone lodging something with the courts objecting to the pregnancy from the outset or they could just walk away later and say "i didn't want it, I'm not paying".

Again, my system isn't perfect and would be open to abuse also.

I think Stu got it spot on. Go up the arse ;)

[socialnarcotic]

Depending on the circumstances, a man may have the right to appeal the demands of the woman if he can prove she wrongfully put him under the assumption she was using contraception. Unfortunately, this is hard to prove (as contraception should be the responsibility of both participants of intercourse).

[Tristan]

Originally posted by Cosmica
There was an issue recently where a man sued a woman for falsely claiming the child was his, and after he paid 40,000+ in child welfare, found out that the child was not his. He had no other way of getti9ng his money back.


Is this the issue you are referring to? He not only found out the baby wasn't his, there wasn't a baby at all. Saw that ACA feature. He was the most pathetic excuse for a man I've ever seen. She right royally fucked him over but if you are that stupid it's gonna happen eventually.

[mkultra]

all I can say is Boris Becker;D

[Tax Invoice]

Originally posted by FunkStu
Anal is the answer.

Head is cleaner.

[BlueSteel]

Originally posted by Tax Invoice


Head is cleaner.



Yes, straight after you finish with the anal.:P

[Hatchet_Harry]

is she sure it's her kid :p

[Lakiita_]

Originally posted by Lambretta

However I do believe that if no consent is reached upon the outcome of a pregnancy then people shouldn't be able to sue for child support either.

That way if one person makes it clear that they want no part in bringing up a child, then the responsibility of rearing that child will fall on the partner who wants it.




Don't think that would work either - I still know many girls who wouldn't have an abortion due to ethical reasons - under your reasoning they would then be stuck with raising the child on their own anyway even tho' they may not have wanted it themselves.

It's wrong to abuse someone's trust and lying about contraception is just beyond awful. Trying to convince someone to have sex without a condom is just as wrong in my opinion. When it comes down to it when there's a child involved the responsibility should be 50:50 I think. Regardless of the circumstances it took two people for the pregnancy to happen. And if laws were put in place waiving that responsibility then very soon that would be used so that people could get out of child support.

My Aunt tricked my Uncle in to getting her pregnant - evil thing to do but he never abandoned the kids because of it - it wasn't their fault that she was a bitch.

[corporateboy]

its an interesting question, we looked at the so called "Sperm Bandits" in Health Law at uni. Some people have brought fraud actions when a woman has lied about contraception.

There is a tension between the woman's rights to say keep the child, and the man's rights in the child as well.

Child support exists because left to themselves many men would happily walk away from a pregnant woman, so to turn the tables so drastically such that men could sue for damage stemming from the child would negate that.

In a clear cut case of fraud (ie Boris Becker etc) then the man should not be held responsible, and likewise it isn't fair if a man thinks a woman is on contraception but is in fact not.

What is the difference between a woman relying on a man's promise of using a condom (eg he made holes in it) or a woman saying she is on the pill (eg and not in fact being on it)?

[Atlantis]

Hmmn...

I hate chicks who get pregnant on purpose, it's just not kewl; but what I hate more is chicks who get pregnant by accident (eg. on the pill, but it doesn't work one time cause she is sick or something.) and the guy takes no responsibility for it at all.

Guys I say if your having sex with someone you can't trust or respect... Than you get everything you deserve!

[Carley]

If you aren't 100% sure that the girl is looing after the contraception, how well do you know her? As in, should you really be having unprotected (as in no condom) sex with her?
A nice STD and a kid... all for not using a condom.

I can't imagine many girls insisting on unprotected sex.

[Bella]

contraception doesn't always work... abstinence is the only sure bet*

*unless you are mary magdalene, then anything is possible

bella :)

[SoLaCeLL]

fuck yeah !!

it aint my kid ! X(

should sue for mental anguish, she showed me sumpin i didnt wanna see, i was torn apart i had to tear dat ass up, was damn well hypnotized :tripping:

[BlueSteel]

Originally posted by Atlantis
Hmmn...


Guys I say if your having sex with someone you can't trust or respect... Than you get everything you deserve!





I COULDN'T OF SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!



Well done Atlantis.;) :) ;D

[legless]

i think if the baby turns out really ugly later in life, then it should be able to sue both the parents for mental grievance... :P

and i think of there is obvious tampering with birthcontrol or deception then it is a friggen low act and maybe something should be able to be done about it... and hey if people can succesfully sue mcdonalds for spilling coffee on themselves then maybe it will be possible to sue for this one day....

"who told you to put the balm on, i didnt tell you to put the balm on...."

[BlueSteel]

The Maestro told me.

[opaline]

You people are naive if you think condoms are 100%. I got an ex of mine pregnant twice in a year. First time she was on the pill. Second time I was wearing a condom. Didn't even notice a break or anything.

Answer to this question is: You enjoy the fruits, you accept the consequences. I have no pity for those that are having sex. :)

[djworm]

I went out with a girl who was a total nutbag,we argued all the time. anyhow it was all going tits up when one day she turned around and said - ' I havent taken the pill for months and Im two months pregnant!' I was 17 at the time, doing hsc- she was 19.
She wanted the kid, but there was no way I was gonna have that so in the end I had to practically physically drag her to the clinic to get an abortion. If she'd waited one more week it would have become illegal to do as three months is the cut off point.
it was without doubt the most sickening thing I ever had to do,(i appreciate it wasnt nice for her either) but what sickened me more was the selfish bitch couldnt see the problem in bringing a kid into the world just as part of a pathetic little mind game.
What a fucked up ho.

[djworm]

Let us heed the words sung so beautifully by the cerebral scando-pop musicians....Ace of Base.

Ace of Base - All that She Wants.

She leeds a lonely life
she leeds a lonely life

When she woke up late in the morning light
and the day has just begun
she opened up her eyes and thought
o' what a morning
it's not a day for work
it's a day for catching tan
just laying on the beach and having fun
she's going to get you

all that she wants is another baby
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby

all that she wants is another baby
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby

all that she wants - all that she wants

so if you are in sight and the day is right
she's the hunter you're the fox
the gentle voice that talks to you
won't talk forever
it's a night for passion
but the morning means goodbye
beware of that is flashing on her eyes
she's going to get you

all that she wants is another baby
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby

all that she wants is another baby
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby (is another baby, yeah)


all that she wants is another baby (is another baby)
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby (is another baby)

all that she wants is another baby (is another baby)
she's gone tomorrow boy
all that she wants is another baby (is another baby, yeah)

all that she wants, all that she wants


mmm.......
thats deep man.
:lol: :lol:

[Sweetypie112002]

Originally posted by Lambretta
It's a hard question and there is no right answer really.

I don't think a man has the right to sue a woman for getting pregnant, accidents happen and there's no real way of telling if someone was on contraception at the time or if it was really deliberate.

However I do believe that if no consent is reached upon the outcome of a pregnancy then people shouldn't be able to sue for child support either.

That way if one person makes it clear that they want no part in bringing up a child, then the responsibility of rearing that child will fall on the partner who wants it.


This will stop people from falling pregnant on purpose and asking someone they dont wish to set up home with to fund the raising of their child. However, it would rely on someone lodging something with the courts objecting to the pregnancy from the outset or they could just walk away later and say "i didn't want it, I'm not paying".

Again, my system isn't perfect and would be open to abuse also.

I think Stu got it spot on. Go up the arse ;)

Im sorry lambretta but although u hav some good points brought up, i simply jus cant justify how this would work! I reckon that it's fair enuf that if someone deliberately and deceptively falls pregnant with the intention of entrapment of their partner or even jus to rig up the welfare system to support them is totally fucked!

Does this actually happen???:meh:

But in relation to yr comments bout either party stating their intent of not wanting a pregnancy therefore not financially supporting it, i reckon that is totally skewiff!!! Imagine how many more single mothers there would be on welfare? I mean honestly.... how many guys do u know that would insist that a women went thru with a pregnancy simply so they could take the newborn off their hands and raise it as their own?Really??? (this also would not be in the babies best interest and health) And yet again how many women would actually choose to carry a baby for the full term of 9 months with the intention of handing it over as soon as they pop it out? People hav enuf trouble attempting to find surrogates let alone willing incubators (in a manner of speakin), Welfare would increase by the hundredfold! and jus for the record--> if your grown up enough to be involved in a sexual relationship- then i reckon your grown up enough to suffer the consequences, wether it be unplanned birth, abortion, adoption, Maintenance, child support or what have u! but although there are o heluuva lot of grey ares in this one, if u wanna be safe wear a condom! (its as simply as that) believing a chick is on the pill or has some other method of contraception happening for her is about as responsible as a chick totally trusting in the withdrawal method! i mean honsetly. If your gonna shag outside a trusted relationship Be careful!!!

[kpkp]

Originally posted by opaline
You people are naive if you think condoms are 100%. I got an ex of mine pregnant twice in a year. First time she was on the pill. Second time I was wearing a condom. Didn't even notice a break or anything.

Answer to this question is: You enjoy the fruits, you accept the consequences. I have no pity for those that are having sex. :)

it's not about a guy being responsible for getting a girl pregnant, the situation where a guy would sue a girl is if it was deceitful... ie, they have sex, she says she's on pill then decides to have baby and claim money from the guy...

women do deliberately do this because they're lonely, bored and pathetic... that's the kind of situation where a guy deserves pity... when his life has been turned upside down because he's going to become a father... you're right, it does take 2 people to get a girl pregnant, they each are responsible... but what's fucked up is it only takes one person to decide the outcome of two peoples lives, in this case the girl makes all the decisions and there's nothing a guy can do, that's where i pity the man and understand why he would feel wronged

[kpkp]

Originally posted by Sweetypie112002



Does this actually happen???:meh:


YES, it does happen... it definately does

[sofu]

Originally posted by opaline
You people are naive if you think condoms are 100%. I got an ex of mine pregnant twice in a year. First time she was on the pill. Second time I was wearing a condom. Didn't even notice a break or anything.She was fucking someone else behind your back.

[krazy]

No way known should a man be able to sue a woman for getting pregnant, and that includes if she said she was on the pill and actually wasnt.

Facts are - even the pill is only 98% reliable under best conditions, and if the girl takes antibiotics, or gets a stomach illness leading to diarrhea or drinks too much and vomits one night, it actually can result in the pill being voided at the wrong time, leading to an ovulation. In other words, she could be on the pill and get pregnant anyway.

Similarly, condoms are only 95% reliable.

If a man really does not want to have a child, best way to see to this is to use a condom anyway. If he's not prepared to do that, then how can he sue for someone else's lack of care? It does take two to tango and too often men foist all the responsibility on to the woman involved and then bitch and whine if she turns out to be about as responsible as they are.

It's a game of chance - if not prepared to take chances, don't play.

[Funksta]

Guys, has anyone given any thought to the other extreme; Guys who think they don't have children but actually do??

I have a friend who fell pregnant at 17 and did not tell the father... she is now 23 and has a 6 year old girl who has never met her father simply because he doesn't know she exists. All because she doesn't want to speak to him again.

Is that fair on him? is that fair on her daughter?? I think not.

Its fuct how some girls think that they should have all the rights when it comes to pregnancy.

[Sweetypie112002]

I think they have the right to choose wether or not to go ahead and have the pregancy or not tho... think about it--> its not just a lifwstyle change... Its the rest of your life!

As funksta said tho- i have known of ppl who have gotten pregnant and not told the father cos it was a one night stand or something along those lines.

But as much as i believe the other partner has a right to know, i alson reckon it is ultimately, in the end, the females decision wether or not to go ahead.

i know a few ppl may not agree with me but i spose thats what the forums are all bout eh? having yr 2c worth!