Originally Posted by howzitgarn View Post

i am so fucking sick of people trying to use that a shining example. Anyone who currently lives or has lived in Newcastle can tell you any "success" reported is 100% bullshit. Incidents just occur further away from venues where they are reported less, usually after lockout. Any decrease in violence in venues is more attributable to the fact that ID Scanners were introduced in a MAJORITY of the major pubs, now the meatheaded scum just migrate to the 24 Hour McDonalds on King St to pick fights.

It even mentions in this article http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hitting-th...719-2q9w0.html , that alcohol related violent incidents increased by 50% in the two years proceeding the changes, and were reduced only 37% in the 18 months following. Yet somehow; what is still a 17% overall increase in violence which now occurs in a shorter time frame due to operating hours and more often in places that lack the security of licensed venues, is considered a "solution"?!?!?!.

Should open another KFC and let the boofheads cark it from heart disease...

This is my big issue too.
What are the other social & cultural factors surrounding these studies, and which studies and recommendations/authourities are they taking these suggestions on-board from, we're not just in a Nanny-state, we're at the mercy of these fuckwits with no say.