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Ok. So i have been mixing for a while now 5 or so months and i'm at the point where I can beat match well, and I am good at eq'ing, but the problem I have is that I don't know where to go from here. I am mixing trance as it is my favourite genre of music. I am not to sure what else i can be incorperating into my music and sets to make them sound better. What can i do to make everything sound better?

I hope you understand what i am asking


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Mix better. Do more than just crossfade between tracks. Mix different shit together that wasn't meant to be mixed... but make it fit. Be creative.
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If I knew the answer to that I wouldn't be telling the likes of you! But seriously, not really understanding mate, sorry but .....new records? new sound system? try random record picks, play your set in reverse order, a third deck? A bit of hardware? More practice? Try another genre, more more more, of everything, do you produce? I dont really mix much anymore, but when I did, I found it was a case of the penny constantly dropping, just keep going mate until it's like riding a bike, then you might wanna look at adding further elements. Some of the new mixers offer more than just eqing. First I think you need to identify what it is thats lacking.
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Ok. So i have been mixing for a while now 5 or so months and i'm at the point where I can beat match well, and I am good at eq'ing, but the problem I have is that I don't know where to go from here. I am mixing trance as it is my favourite genre of music. I am not to sure what else i can be incorperating into my music and sets to make them sound better. What can i do to make everything sound better?

I hope you understand what i am asking


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Having said that, then comes track selection. And each track will present its own set of opportunities.
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Mmm its hard to explane but i just don't want to feel restricted and i want to incorperate different things into my sets. Make them unique and my own.
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Sounds like you need stop playing records and get into ableton or some form of producing which is more accessible than ever.
Jimbob maybe onto something, but to each his own, if you dig it, you dig it. And Spectrums absolutely right, I tried to make it sound complicated, when it's really not. Possibly the reason a lot of folk in here have little regard for dj's. Producing is daunting, but you wont look back.

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Mix & cut faster
Just don't cross fade 15 minute trance track into next 15 minute trance track
Drop samples/snippets of tracks of a record whilst another is playing, then rip it off the deck then cue another.
Overlay tracks over one another to create unique sounds.
Your boredom is only there due to your own creative limitations....that's not a dig, just start thinking outside of the box.
Incorporate effects if you like?

But i am guessing if you are bored already, its probably got something to do with your track collection....expand it
Every day I am hearing a new track and then mixing it with tracks I thought I had retired years ago, becuase I hear something that will just work nicely.
Of course you could just do massive rewinds every 2nd track haha

Finally, i echo what has already been said....STOP mixing trance
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Mmm, i think i am going to go through a phase of music maturity and change. By the way i am making this change out of my own free will not because i want to play what others want to hear.

I am looking down the. Breaks, Techno, Tech House, Electro, Minimal path.

with those genres there is movement for alot of creativity and fun i think.
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I am going to have to do some real hard thinking.
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less horizontal crossfader action

more vertical crossfader action

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more vertical crossfader action

Don't you mean more upfader action?
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Mmm, i think i am going to go through a phase of music maturity and change.

Could be just puberty?
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I am looking down the. Breaks, Techno, Tech House, Electro, Minimal path.

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A few things come to mind:

Don't just mix intro-outro etc. Try starting a track halfway through, play the end, mix to something else then play the start. Play the breakdown 3 times if you like. Actually no, trance already has way too long breakdowns, but you get the idea... re-arrange the tracks.

Try mashing up tracks and acapellas to make something new.

Rock doubles. That is, the same record in both decks.

Get a sampler (or just use loops if you have cdj) to drop in recognisable bits of a track.

If you do have cdj's, download as much random samples and shit as you can, there is a world of oppourtunity to mess about with new sounds here.

And as other's have said, maybe look outside of trance. It tends to be very formulaic and boring (although i guess that could be said of most dance music )
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Originally Posted by DSILVR

Ok. So i have been mixing for a while now 5 or so months and i'm at the point where I can beat match well, and I am good at eq'ing, but the problem I have is that I don't know where to go from here. I am mixing trance as it is my favourite genre of music. I am not to sure what else i can be incorperating into my music and sets to make them sound better. What can i do to make everything sound better?

I hope you understand what i am asking


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Keep it interesting, mix different tunes, buy a 3rd deck, go to vinnies buy some old school records and sample the shit out of them, mix trance with opera, Just try new shit and be creative.

Otherwise record a set and have a listen to it and you'll realise that your mixing probably doesn't sound as good as you think it does.
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get a third deck

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What i did was listen to CDs and to see what point the Dj/producer was trying to get across. What each track meant to the other.

Something about keys and all that, that makes sense when mixing.....




It could be that maybe your next step, is playing the piano, or even the tuba?
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For me, in my old days of mixing epic house and trance (hey it was 96), I used to love trying to use the same records but create a different vibe/mood/energy level. Try playing slower/less energetic b-side mixes of tunes (do b-sides even exist anymore, in this age of digital downloads?). Or change the order of the songs. Or chang ethe tempo you are mixing to/at.

Imagine yourself at a wicked club/party, and think about the flow of the evening's music. You're hardly gonna thump at 140+ bpm trance when youa re the first DJ on, and there are 2 people on the dancefloor. Similarly, the closing set of a night is often a different vibe to peak time. Try "role-playing" the different set times, and come up with sets that would suit those times.

That worked really well for me, and won me a few fans, way back when.

Too many trance djs (I blame gatecrasher) kinda lost the concept of ebb and flow of energy in a set, and just thump out peaktime 'choon' after peak time 'choon'm, and that's when trance lost the magic for me.

Try not doing that and see if you can find some more depth to trance than is probably apparent to you.
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Originally Posted by DSILVR

Ok. So i have been mixing for a while now 5 or so months and i'm at the point where I can beat match well, and I am good at eq'ing, but the problem I have is that I don't know where to go from here. I am mixing trance as it is my favourite genre of music. I am not to sure what else i can be incorperating into my music and sets to make them sound better. What can i do to make everything sound better?

I hope you understand what i am asking


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5 months ?!

well this is it innit ... people decide "i wanna be a DJ" ... then buy a few records .. learn how to beat match ... and ask "what now?"

I think this goes hand in hand with one of my pet hates ... people whinging about how much it costs to get tunes ...

There's only one thing that will nullify both these gripes ... and that is time.

In that time you should be forging your own sound by the tunes you collect. To set yourself apart from everyone else's sound, you have to make and define your own sound. If you're playing the same trance tunes as every other trance DJ and his dog are rating at the moment, the chances are you're going to sound pretty similar unless you have some special tricks to smash the mix.

Taking the time to collect tunes and consider how they work with each other will result in a unique sound way more than learning novel mixing techniques. Track selection is paramount.

I couldn't think of anything worse than rocking up to a gig and having half the records the other DJs have and know ... i want tunes that people associate with me ... not DJ Shit Hot from the UK

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Agreed - Track selection and Harmonic Mixing will keep you busy for life. Plus, it's not about how good you are at mixing other people's tunes, it's about how good the tracks are that you select.

Beyond the glory of having people lap up your music at high volume, I reckon the real thrill of this game is the long endless hours spent seeking out those gem tracks to build your superstar track team.. and with digital music now so prevalent, it's even harder and more challenging, yet more rewarding.
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And i do agree with the my sound is my sound your sound is your sound. I am not getting bored yet just want to make my OWN sound. This will come with time i gather.
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haha dont mint me DSLVR - I'm just messing with ya, but it certainly does sound like you are at a crossroad.

I think Tecks has given you some good advice though. Learn to mash - it will open up a few more months of practice at the very least. I would suggest exchanging your trance for another unbroken beat genre for some different blending techniques and start having a play around with breaks for some juicy crossfader mayhem. definitely try to get out the habit of relying on intro outro mixing. Learn the structural properties of the music you are playing and identify other areas of tracks that you can mix out of.
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more flange, always more flange

if i hear one more DJ flanging the sh*t out of an otherwise listenable track i will walk up to him and punch the **** no offense intended donnie!

mu suggestions to improve is as above, mash stuff, i love goingt thru my old records and doing stupid things like tryin to mix beatles tracks off sgt peppers with shadow trip hop (Tip: Beatles , COme together, is around 78 bpms, and goes awesome with a trip hop beat!)

also think in sections 16 bars, 32 bars, if you mix in sections, you can pull out tracks before they finnish or half way thru and it isnt noticeable becuase the drops of the two different tracks are happening at the same time
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Learn the structural properties of the music you are playing and identify other areas of tracks that you can mix out of.


yea ... like mixing out of the intro of any trance tunes you play
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if i hear one more DJ flanging the sh*t out of an otherwise listenable track i will walk up to him and punch the **** no offense intended donnie!




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yea ... like mixing out of the intro of any trance tunes you play

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theres some really good suggestions in here..
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harmonic mixing FTW

The most usefull post yet... http://www.mixshare.com. Mixing in key then track selection based on energy flow in your set. Listen to your favourite dj not based on the track that he plays but the tracks that she mixes together to get an idea of the flow or energy differences that the mix creates.
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mix in some jungle. that should enhance your shit.
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go out and watch other people play .. practice things they do and this'll add into your repetoire and hence develop your own style.

then when you get to that confident and comfortabel level of mixing you will progress through what I like to label the logical progression of dj-ing.


Oh yeah...and try to stray away from trance a little ...
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if i hear one more DJ flanging the sh*t out of an otherwise listenable track i will walk up to him and punch the **** no offense intended donnie!

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