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The DJM 800 is a mixer as well though and the basic principle for a mixer layout hasn't changed much in the last decade or so + plus it's all midi assignable, for DJing with midi applications it's hard to go past..... for now at least

with the speed of midi mixers coming to a market dominance, i see no reason to buy something that is claiming to be everything to everyone.

waid 24 months and they'll be something sigficantly better and priced accordingly.
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Ecler supposedly has something in the pipeline for next year.

Maybe Manufacturers should take a bit of a backwards step and just release one product for each seperate need. I'd love to have an ecler mixer that was just a 4 channel mixer, nothing else, based around the nuo series, a Nuo 4 without midi or effects. Then you could add parts youself like an effects processor, midi control etc, etc. It would probably cost a bit more but it would suit exactly your needs
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a good audio company should team up with a mixer company and release a hybrid. M-audio and vestax/rane/ecler/ etc... or tascam and one of those...

tascam threw the idea around on their forums for the X-9, but i have a feeling it was binned
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M-audio Torq inside of Ecler four channel, midi control for Torq and Ableton combined on mixer,
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wait 24 months and they'll be something sigficantly better and priced accordingly.

Keep dreaming, something better may just come along, but i seriously doubt in a market like this it will be any cheaper, or realistically priced. Especially if it comes from a known brand.
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finally had a good chance to get stuck into this mixer today.


it's still a pioneer, but it's a marked improvement from the 600. the EFX are better, the the sound colour knobs are a lot of fun, but there still needs to be some decent amount of work to make the smoother, the EQ's are better, but would serve better being full kill... faders have a great stiffness in them which i miss with the vestax mixers.

spent the first 15min of the set getting the mixer back to 0 since the guys before me had it way off the charts for the channels, but when it's sitting on zero it was doing quite well, can't comment on the sound quality as the monitor i think was alto...

for $2500 i wouldn't buy it, nor would i for 2k, maybe 1700... but if it was a $1500 mixer I'd snap one up.
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Yamaha MG 32/14 FX

you need a big soundcard though
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Yamaha MG 32/14 FX

you need a big soundcard though

wow, why so affordable, whats wrong with it?

under $2000
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um nothing to my knowledge. Its made in some asian back water but it sounds heaps better than a behringer is cheaper than a 16 channel mackie and has all the same features (in my opinion it sounds better too). It sounds a little bright though that may just be the soundcards, but seriously find that many channels for that price any where else that isn't a Behringer?
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thats awsome, xmas list. Think I will get a 24, dont really need 32...
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i would have the 24 if it wasn't for the tendency for running out to about 18 tracks of audio. Its useful to have access to mono 24 channels when your production technique includes giving every drum sound a channel and run synths in stereo. Also the access to 6 sends and 2 returns is kinda useful and you can route them back into groups as well. im not trying to sell the thing its just if you want something big and you don't want a behringer and don't want to spend a fortune on a allen and heath or soundcraft desk then its perfect, only issue is that demand for them is pretty high, i think it took 4 months to get hold of one.
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Originally Posted by Bracko

finally had a good chance to get stuck into this mixer today.


it's still a pioneer, but it's a marked improvement from the 600. the EFX are better, the the sound colour knobs are a lot of fun, but there still needs to be some decent amount of work to make the smoother, the EQ's are better, but would serve better being full kill... faders have a great stiffness in them which i miss with the vestax mixers.

spent the first 15min of the set getting the mixer back to 0 since the guys before me had it way off the charts for the channels, but when it's sitting on zero it was doing quite well, can't comment on the sound quality as the monitor i think was alto...

for $2500 i wouldn't buy it, nor would i for 2k, maybe 1700... but if it was a $1500 mixer I'd snap one up.

Thats the one thing that really shits me with the 600/800. No full kill on the EQ's. That sucks bigtime IMO.
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From here

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nothing yet sorry about that............

wait till the Musik Messe this year (jonny thrice Ecler)
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updates on best mixer for use with ableton

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Originally Posted by Bracko

with the speed of midi mixers coming to a market dominance, i see no reason to buy something that is claiming to be everything to everyone.

waid 24 months and they'll be something sigficantly better and priced accordingly.

any updates??? I'm searching for the right mixer/controller that will allow me to control Eq Three's, Eq eights in my Ableton A/B Decks. Traditional DJ Mixer control- i.e control over 2-4 EQ's/Channels at the same time, without having to flick channels. Is the dJm800 still the go?

To me it seems the best setup would be using an APC40 to trigger clips, control plug-ins and devices etc and channel faders etc., but you still need a traditional mixer , e..g DJM800 to have simultanous control of EQ's.
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vestax VCM600 midi controller and a good soundcard.
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Quote:

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vestax VCM600 midi controller and a good soundcard.

this.
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A launchpad with a VCM600 would be awesome, though I guess an APC40 could fit somewhere in there too.
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vestax VCM600 midi controller and a good soundcard.

sure the vestax 600 is sweet as, but i should have mentioned i don't really want to spend $1500 to have Dj mixer control over Ableton's EQ's when DJ'ing. might just stick with mapping my current midi controller or get the M Audio controller for $150. There does seem to be a bit of a hole in the market between high end mixers and the shitty cheap 'DJ' controllers.

On a related question- if you normally use the vestax or djm 800 as a midi controller for ableton live- would you need to take it to gigs, or could you set up mapping to the venue's mixer, or would the mapping load when you load a live set?
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I just bought a used one for just over $500. Should have it in a day
Map it to EQ8 instead of 3 and nobody's gonna know.

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Depends.
@wits: your mappings would load.

MIDI/HID controllers and audio interfaces should never act as a 'dongle', so plugging in your unit at a gig should be no different to plugging it in at a club.

If you're using a DJM800 at home and have everything mapped, plugging in a club's DJM800 will work in exactly the same fashion.

If you're using a VCM-600 at home and have everything mapped, plugging in a club's VCM-600 WON'T...only because you'll never find one installed in a club *grins*

Given the chance, I'd happily by the VCM-600 again. Built like a tank, and would cart it around to gigs seeing it's part of my work flow and maps soooo nicely to Live.
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I just bought a used one for just over $500. Should have it in a day
Map it to EQ8 instead of 3 and nobody's gonna know.

out of interest where'd you buy it from?
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out of interest where'd you buy it from?

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Look forward to seeing what you come up with using the 600 Tim. We can do a swapsies with the 4D and be each other's tribute band.
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I just bought a used one for just over $500. Should have it in a day
Map it to EQ8 instead of 3 and nobody's gonna know.

itm really needs a middle finger emoticon
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I just bought a used one for just over $500. Should have it in a day
Map it to EQ8 instead of 3 and nobody's gonna know.

Has it got actual audio channels or is it pure controller?
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pure controller.

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Look forward to seeing what you come up with using the 600 Tim. We can do a swapsies with the 4D and be each other's tribute band.

I really just need one button mapped to play. The pre-recorded set takes care of itself and I time my fist pumping accordingly.
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Newbie question here:

I've got Ableton with an APC40 as the MIDI controller, but is there any way to hook up a DJM-800 to the setup so I can use the EQ's on the DJM-800, rather than the EQ's on Ableton when mixing??

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^ get a USB soundcard (audio 4 DJ, or audio kontrol 1 by Native instruments are ok choice) and send all audio from abelton out to that, and it has 4 outputs which u can go RCA intro each channel of your 800, youll need 4 channels in abelton sending audio to 1,2 3,4 5,6 7,8 and name them deck 1,2,3,4 or something. eastiest to watch a video explaining it theres youtube vids on it just search ableton external mixer.

its a cool setup i started out with launchpad into ableton out to djx750 and had heaps of fun with it
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4 out soundcards = 4 channels mono / 2 channels stereo, no?
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ah ok i didnt know that, thats stupid, i just had a audio 2 dj and both those outs were stereo.

so whats the point of having 4 outs if 2 are mono? isnt the point to go out to a 4 channel mixer?
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