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caved. Sigma 85 on its way

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my pleasure. of course it does benefit me too by keeping me employed so i can buy more camera toys too

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yeah i'll get the 35 MkII. might have enough money for one by then
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the good news is that even if they announced a 35 mk2 tomorrow it wouldnt be available for eleventy billion years like every other new l series.

sigma might even beat them to it

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if sigma come out with a 35 on par with their 85 i'm sold. I'll rent my arse out for one
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so are there any decent books on photography i could get?

yes, i understand, the internet is full of information... for a dad lol
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Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson is good for a beginner

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Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson is good for a beginner

Ditto, that's the only photography book I've got. AND IT DOESN'T STOP THERE. You get a texticle to a website and then you're asked about 5 questions about the book, like, What is the picture of on page 157? or What aperture was used in the picture on page 17?.... You are given multiple choice answers.

It opens up a library of videos and tutorials that you won't find on YouTube

He looks... different to what I expected

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fuck you herm now you remind me why the siggy 85 was on my want list.


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What a difference 5hr 25mins makes!
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Looking at the Sigma 85mm 1.4 -- bokeh is dreamy!


Fashion model #329 by Markus Schwarze, on Flickr


Christmas lighting #336 by Markus Schwarze, on Flickr


December 9, 2010 #356 by Markus Schwarze, on Flickr

Yeah, very dreamy indeed.

And while I rarely shoot absolutely wide open (usually a click or two smaller), and my 85mm f/1.8 hasn't had too much use since going full frame (tend to favour the 50mm f/1.4 or 135 f/2)...

...but looking at these 85mm f/1.4 shots, that's only 2/3 of a stop faster than f/1.8, and the f/1.8 doesn't even pretend to look like this. And I don't mean in the smooth, buttery texture, but the sheer intensity.

Perhaps it's the fact that the sharp bits are still super sharp despite shooting wide open?

Perhaps they've been tweaked in post?

Or perhaps I need to shoot absolutely wide open more often, and yield something similar?



Problem is, focusing at this shallow field gets to be a real bitch. But I guess if I were to shoot stationary adults rather than manic kids, my nailed focus hit rate would be better.

Sooooooooo.... how much?!

Nah, ain't gonna happen.
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Yeah those shots have been heavily sharpened on post but you can still tell they were sharp as hell off camera

you cant make a soft lens look that sharp in post
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I kind of think those are a little bit oversharpened for my (admitedly amateur) taste. Makes the skin look a bit unnatural. That said though, I wish I knew how to get the eyes like that. All of mine always end up full of reflections like this one of the wife:



I think the way he gets the eyes is what makes his pictures much more intense than anything I can come up with.

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I'm certain the photos are layered.
My take on his processing is...

Nail down exposure/WB/contrast/etc -> virtual copy.
#Original - load of noise reduction for creamy.
#1 - chunk of clarity, sharpening.

Layer them in PS, #1 on top, and blend in the face to the cranked version.

Then probably an increase in brightness/contrast/colour on the eyes.

I almost like doing the post work as much as the shooting
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if sigma come out with a 35 on par with their 85 i'm sold. I'll rent my arse out for one

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85 is here already! And i have no camera to put it on

i wonder how much that 35 is going to cost


ps anyone interested in a 17-40L pm me

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I kind of think those are a little bit oversharpened for my (admitedly amateur) taste. Makes the skin look a bit unnatural. That said though, I wish I knew how to get the eyes like that. All of mine always end up full of reflections like this one of the wife:

They have all been overprocessed IMO. In regards to the eyes it would appear that some reflector or catch light has been used if you look at the reflections in the eyes.

I'm really not sold on those images.
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I'm certain the photos are layered.

bingo. found this, apparently it's a translation from a german forum he posts on.


Lightroom to PS CS 4 (then) exported:

- Increases contrast eyes

- Color Balance: midtones: -6, -1, +13 (face masked so that only affected the background)

- Brightness / Contrast on whole image: 0, +33

- Adjustment layer black / white +7, +88, +138, +135, ****, -111

- This level "soft light" + opacity of 36%

- Once again, eyes contrasts

- Black and white level down about it, head masked, Opacity: 56%

- Used brightness / contrast on the hair only +35, +19

- Color balance with masked head: Bass +5, -5, +3

- Brightness / Contrast with masked head +42, -8

- Color balance applied to all: Bass: 0, 0, +3 Medium: -13, 0, +6

- Black and white to eye on everything: Opacity 30%

- Filled level with a purple, but hair masks, setting Bright light

- Sharpened once (masked hair) with high-pass filter and a larger radius

--Thicker contours emerge

- Sharpened with high-pass filter and a small radius

--All the delicate contours come out (hair, etc)

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Fuck me, that's a fair old effort, I'd best go back to the drawing board on what I do (a quick curves adjustment and that's about it ). Also, I don't understand how his stuff looks the same on my work monitor and at home but mine looks dull and green only on my work monitor???

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your work monitor brightness is probably much lower. yours is underexposed and has low contrast, so on a 6 bit monitor with low brightness is will probably look like balls.

his on the other hand are very processed so they'd look good on just about anything.

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Histogram looks bang in the middle. Makes sense though, I think I reduced the contrast, saturation and exposure through the curves since it looked overexposed and too contrasty on my laptop. Looks like I need a proper calibrated monitor and better post-processing (and photographic) skills

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base yours has a slight green tinge to it on my monitor too.. maybe shift the white balance slightly
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I might buy a monitor tonight anyway so I can see what's really there. I just bought a book on post-processing so I guess it's time to suck it up and learn.

Apart from the lack of post-processing skill and a crap photo to start with, could it also be colourspace? It's in prophoto at the moment (for no other reason than it sounds cool )

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that's defo it! just opened it in photoshop and it's completely different. Her face has so much more colour now
it still looks a bit flat though. could do with some more contrast


btw prophoto is great to use (lightroom only uses this space) but you gotta remember to change it when you export for viewing. Also keep in mind your monitor can't display all the colours in prophoto. It's a massive colour space

sRGB is best if you're gonna stick it on the web. aRGB is good for printing if you're not sure what space to use. A lot of printers have an aRGB profile now
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haha, even opening it in windows picture viewer it looks completely different. disregard what i said before

although it now looks maybe a touch too warm

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Phew, thought everything I'd ever shot looked greenish grey for a minute

Anyway, thread has been hijacked, back to lenses. Why only f/1.8 for Sigma's 24 and 35? Seems they're taking their primes 1 notch down from the Canon equivalents.

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yeah i don't get it. They can do a 50 1.4, 85 1.4, crop 30 1.4, but no 35 1.4? what's the dealio yo
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dunno. they already have a 24/1.8 but it's hella old. they also have 20/1.8 and 28/1.8. they're all decent but the corners suffer a bit on FF.

i'm curious if the 35 would indeed be f/1.8 and not f/1.4. on one hand, it will be cheaper and easier to make but on the other hand.... sif no f/1.4. besides, it's just a rumour anyway!

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I reckon they're dropping the max aperture slightly on all the primes in order to make it cost effective to compete / surpass optically with the L's but still be a lot cheaper:

Canon 24mm f/1.4 -> Sigma 24mm f/1.8?
Canon 35mm f/1.4 -> Sigma 35mm f/1.8?
Canon 50mm f/1.2 -> Sigma 50mm f/1.4
Canon 85mm f/1.2 -> Sigma 85mm f/1.4

Maybe they reckon they're not going to get the Canon fanboys to switch from L so they'll compete for the users who would have bought the non-L lenses as a compromise but would really like the L if they could justify it.

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totally, sigma are a lens for everyone kinda company. fruitless making complicated and painfully expensive lenses like the 50/85 f/1.2s when the target market is so small.

if they made a 500/4 OS for a decent amount, i'd love one. in like 100 years when i could afford one

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Following on from all this colourspace talk..

Im having a shot put on Canvas, whats the best colourspace etc to work in so it doesn't print massively different to what i think im sending off?

Any suggestions on canvas printing places in Melbourne?

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Following on from all this colourspace talk..

Im having a shot put on Canvas, whats the best colourspace etc to work in so it doesn't print massively different to what i think im sending off?

Any suggestions on canvas printing places in Melbourne?

ask whoever you're getting it printed by if they have a colour profil for their printer
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