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When Rudd was first elected Prime Minister, the Liberal Paty and Nationals together had a majority in the Senate. To get any Bill through Parliament, you needed somebody in those two parties to support it.

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Bob Brown is a nutter that was given a light touch by the q and a love media. Seriously, the abc couldn't be more blatantly biased if they tried. If I were them, then I wouldn't be provoking massive funding cuts following the coalition victory. They sure are asking for it. Very silly. I'm increasingly thinking we need to encourage more private competitors in Australian media and less of this taxpayer funded leftist propaganda. I don't way to pay for a network that spews out a bob brown love fest like this week. What a low point.

There's one public broadcaster and three private.

And there were more pointedly barbed questions to him than brown nosing ones. Amazing how you can reconstruct your reality to suit your bias.
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If I were them, then I wouldn't be provoking massive funding cuts following the coalition victory. They sure are asking for it. Very silly. I'm increasingly thinking we need to encourage more private competitors in Australian media and less of this taxpayer funded leftist propaganda. I don't way to pay for a network that spews out a bob brown love fest like this week. What a low point.

So, what you are saying is, if you were in their shoes you would be interfering with their editorial content. Let's hope the LNP don't think the way you do, because that is, actually, what facist governments do.
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So, what you are saying is, if you were in their shoes you would be interfering with their editorial content. Let's hope the LNP don't think the way you do, because that is, actually, what facist governments do.

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He is suggesting that people be represented at a UN type organisation, rather than governments being the representatives at those organisations. Pretty sure the Syrians would agree with him.

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So, what you are saying is, if you were in their shoes you would be interfering with their editorial content. Let's hope the LNP don't think the way you do, because that is, actually, what facist governments do.

See what I think he meant was that he would pull the funding rug out from beneath their feet and sell their assets to the highest bidder. Because that is, actually, what fiscally conservative governments do.

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Bob Brown is a nutter that was given a light touch by the q and a love media. Seriously, the abc couldn't be more blatantly biased if they tried. If I were them, then I wouldn't be provoking massive funding cuts following the coalition victory. They sure are asking for it. Very silly. I'm increasingly thinking we need to encourage more private competitors in Australian media and less of this taxpayer funded leftist propaganda. I don't way to pay for a network that spews out a bob brown love fest like this week. What a low point.


You are just hilarious...not content with the dominance of commercial television and radio with right wing commentators you want to shut down any voices from the other side...or even from the middle? Its just slightly fascist.

What position is currently under represented on TV and radio that would allow another private competitor? There most certainly isnt an under supply of right wing nutjobs on commercial TV and Radio already. Andrew Bolt , Piers Ackerman , Miranda Devine , Janet Albrechtsen , Alan Jones , Steve Price , John Laws , Chris Smith. So you want another commercial channel cause you dont get enough stories by A Current Affair on the latest technology push up bras?

Everyone pays for commercial TV...its not really "free to air"...there is subsidised spectrum, government funds to upgrade to digital, licence fee rebates - we Australian taxpayers pay nearly as much for the “free” to air broadcasters each year as we do the ABC. Then there are the costs imposed on us that are built into advertising budgets. The thing that makes commercial television run...advertising...costs you money every time you buy something that is advertised.
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There's one public broadcaster and three private.

Apologies for nitpicking, but there are two public broadcasters.

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Apologies for nitpicking, but there are two public broadcasters.

ABC is the only fully government funded one.
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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

Keep up the fight comrades.

That's a pretty good rant. I must say it is refreshing to see some balance in this forum.
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If you were to ban all advertising I'd consider your proposal.

But how would you ensure political bias doesn't just turn TV and media into a method of exerting influence on government?

Oh that's right...it's buying influence on government that you are trying to encourage.

I take it you haven't been following the recent revelations about the collapse of news ltd's bid to take over BskyB for £9.3Billion? I guess you think it's ok for media empires to collude with politicians? The politician gets editorial support...the media mogul gets power and £££s. the public gets deceived.

You know Nardo, you should try visiting a scandinavian country sometime. You'll see that ideas of the left aren't as scary as you think. Publicly funded media, schools and hospitals are not the heinous crimes against humanity you make out

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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

Keep up the fight comrades.


yeah ok then

ABC Managing Director Mark Scott was appointed pre Labor Government.

Chairman James Spigelman was appointed last month. I'm guessing you've noticed a significant move towards the Left since then?

also, you have no idea the lengths they go to to ensure political balance at the ABC.
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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

Keep up the fight comrades.

You're not a fascist, you're just very confused.
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yeah ok then

ABC Managing Director Mark Scott was appointed pre Labor Government.

Chairman James Spigelman was appointed last month. I'm guessing you've noticed a significant move towards the Left since then?

also, you have no idea the lengths they go to to ensure political balance at the ABC.

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You know Nardo, you should try visiting a scandinavian country sometime. You'll see that ideas of the left aren't as scary as you think. Publicly funded media, schools and hospitals are not the heinous crimes against humanity you make out

Oh come on, Scandinavia's not such a Utopia, I mean look at Norway, it's bred nutters like Anders Brevik and Varg Vikernes...

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^two nutters...neither of them from the left.
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Oh come on, Scandinavia's not such a Utopia, I mean look at Norway, it's bred nutters like Anders Brevik and Varg Vikernes...

And look at places like Denmark.

Free university education for all residents and members of the EU.... but all classes are taught in Danish.

Some utopia, they can't even teach in English.
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^two nutters...neither of them from the left.

Christ this place really needs a sarcasm icon, that was precisely my point, they're both far-right nutbags.

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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

Keep up the fight comrades.

I like the ABC because it's politically based programs are the only ones on television with representative debate that's to my mind inherently without agenda (other than that of the pollies on there)... If I wanted to see biased, poorly researched, alarmist waffle, i'd watch Sunday Night or Andrew Bolt.

You've failed to convince me that state run = left bias = communism Nardo. I just don't see it.
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I'd scrap the abc entirely and deregulate media. If consumers want left wing media then I'm sure there is an entrepreneur out there that's willing to provide it.

Maybe there's a left leaning rich guy like graham wood. Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something. This is why public funding is gobbled up by the left for dear life. They are useless without it.

You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

Yet I'm a fascist apparently. Yeah people like me who argue for media deregulation, free speech and small government are fascists.

Keep up the fight comrades.

Not sure if I agree with this. I think the ABC has its place but I probably would agree with the statement that the ABC is making too much shit of a commercial nature which is just denying someone else from making a few bucks.
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You can argue that the right has news ltd. sure. Welcome to capitalism. If you don't like it, start as small media company and grow it. Quit whinging about it.

That is the argument of a moron.

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Taxpayer funds going towards a left wing editorial bias is just plain inappropriate. It's the north Korean model. Funny you cant see it.

It isn't. You are stupid.

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Maybe, but in my experience most left wingers are the type who whinge rather that actually achieve something.

what talk back radio huh? biggest pack of whining blouses that ever walked.
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bumping this cause Clive Palmer and Bob Katter are on Q&A tonight, should be interesting
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oh shitballs.... this is going to be hilarious.

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Hashtag krazykatter... Doit.

Palmer... Wow, do you not get it.

Katter now advocating closing 457.
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can't belive I actually agreed with Clive on a point or two, just in general. but on the whole those two made me thankful for the major parties.

-ed- also, does anyone know if Palmers party has been registered by the AEC yet? was just checking the news but couldn't find any confirmation of it.
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-ed- also, does anyone know if Palmers party has been registered by the AEC yet? was just checking the news but couldn't find any confirmation of it.

First the AEC has to confirm that the application is valid - once that is done, it will be advertised here:

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If you love foreigners so much why don't you emigrate? It is more efficient for you to move there instead of them to move here.
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If you love foreigners so much why don't you emigrate? It is more efficient for you to move there instead of them to move here.

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If you love foreigners so much why don't you emigrate? It is more efficient for you to move there instead of them to move here.

Why don't we just setup complete protectionist policy because it'd be far easier to build everything ourselves.
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Why don't we just setup complete protectionist policy because it'd be far easier to build everything ourselves.

I disagree. It is time to open the border entirely and let ALL Australians experience the benefits of immigration.
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yes, let's not take a balanced approach and admit that some industries may have skill shortages which could be helped with foreign workers, that's just too reasonable... much better to just go to extremes
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I have no issues with that, but I do become frustrated at people touting that we don't need foreign workers when so many tasks are completely beneath the average Australian and some highly skilled professions are short skilled in Australia.

what I do object to is people abusing the system and companies using it to cheaply employ contract labour.

Glad to see the LAFHA was taken away from 457's last budget, but the result for our company was every 457 coming back to the company asking (demanding) that their take hope pay remains the same in light of the changes.

result - more payroll tax for the Fed's.

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I took post #140 as being sarcastic.

I was trying to point out there might be a middle ground between getting us flooded with foriegn workers, and completely shutting the borders (as Katter wants). There is some industries that really need to import people with skills, but it should be kept at a minimium. The issue is people feel 4457s are being expolited (which is prob true) and being used to fill jobs locals could do. Would be good if people could realise that and not jump to the extreme of wanting them all banned.
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it was. more a ludicrous response to Sydney's ludicrous post.

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It wasn't ludicrous. Australia is haemorrhaging from poor 2% growth. To beat China with its 7% growth Australia must put in 14% growth at a minimum. The only way to get there is to open the borders and let the high IQ foreigners in so that low IQ Australians are made irrelevant.
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ABC is left wing? Since when? The Drum may as well be called the IPA propaganda hour.

Oh right, the ABC is "left wing" because when Liberal Politicians aren't given a script to work with, they come out as complete and utter fucking morons. Last time I watched, Labor and Green politicans get smashed on the ABC as well, even harder usually because the ABC usually tries to make up for the fact that most righties think the ABC is Pravda.

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Study also finds that ABC leans to the right.

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It's stacked with some pretty fucking horrible folks, it's true.

Though for every Young Liberal stooge there are also some fucking retards - the dickhead who stood up claiming to represent Anonymous that one time still makes me inwardly cringe.
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