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Wireless Broadband, does anyone offer a good service??
Is there any reliable wireless broadband that is usable at all times of the day?? I only need 5 gig a month at the most, but need reliability. I'm using Telstra Elite prepaid and it is fucking shit.

So who is using what and what's it like?
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Telstra have the best coverage in Australia by far. Define what you mean by shit
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Wireless is and likely always will be comparatively shit compared to fixed line, no matter what coalition anti-NBN trolls tell you.
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FYI there are only three networks in Australia: Telstra, Optus, and the now-merged Voda/Three. All the shitsplat providers like Virgin, Dodo etc are just reselling Voda/Three or Optus.

Telstra generally eats the other two networks for breakfast, but you might be in a weird spot where another network is better. Or you might be in a lead lined bunker or something. More details on your location would help, although the most reliable advice you'll get is from your next door neighbour.

Definitely ask whirlpool forums too. Sure, they're not as dashing and witty as us, but you'll probably find 20 nerds in your postcode just dying to post a diatribe on their experience.

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I moved to telstra recently after vacation it years ago to use 3 which is much cheaper and worked. I have used Dodo a couple of months ago to try it out. I use it in Wollongong, south of Wollongong, and in west Sydney. All have great reception everywhere, but during the day, especially the afternoon, and the evening and night, 3 became unusable, Dodo non existent, and now telstra is showing very bad signs like 3 did when it gradually went to shit. Even with decent or full reception, with an established connection, pages will just time out, browser fails to connect to server, YouTube vids fail, eBay bids don't go through. Very late at night and earlymorning they all work fine.

The Internet on my phone ( virgin) is fucking shit too.

Edit: I looked over at whirlpool a week or so ago, but figured here would be more down to earth to ask.
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if you want to know where nearby towers are:

http://maps.spench.net/rf/

http://cellsite.nudge.id.au/
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IEven with decent or full reception, with an established connection, pages will just time out, browser fails to connect to server, YouTube vids fail, eBay bids don't go through. Very late at night and earlymorning they all work fine.

You're experiencing congestion due to so many people using the service in the same cell (wireless coverage area) as you. Wireless is a shared medium and a limited resource, unfortunately this is the side effect.

Not sure there is really anything you can do other than complain to your provider.

Roll on NBN.
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Well of coarse you are gonna have shit reception during daylight hours, wireless broadband takes a back seat when cell phones are connecting to towers.

EDIT suenomartino beat me to it and explained it better.

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Telstra is usually pretty good in that regard though. Yeah it's a bit slower in peak time, but page timeouts? That isn't normal.

What hardware are you using Joe? Does it have a connection for external antenna? Maybe you can borrow another modem and see if the result is the same.
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Yeah, it's starting to go to shit, like "3" was 6 or 9 months ago, very slow and/or page load failures during peak times. I have full or plenty or reception so I don't think that using an external antenna will help.

I had telstra years ago when 1gb was 49 a month, never had any issues. When I moved over to 3 it ran like a dream.

Only difference is that with 3 it was impossible to connect after about 1am most nights, it's like they just turned the towers off, but with reception still showing.

this is the current telstra hardware i'm using:




Does anyone else here use wireless or is everyone hardwired?

How will NBN help with wireless broadband??

Using Telstra Elite prepaing right now (12pm) and it is very very average to slow.
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How will NBN help with wireless broadband??


You'll be able to opt for a decent fixed-line fibre connection instead of a shitty congested wireless service.
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How goes the Telstra 4G rollout? That's a more immediate solution than NBN innit (for wireless anyway)?
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4G is a good alternative for those in congested areas, but it doesn't have ubiquitous coverage yet though.

The coverage map shows LTE areas in detail - http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/net...broadband.html
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You'll be able to opt for a decent fixed-line fibre connection instead of a shitty congested wireless service.


Believe me I'd be on a fixed line if my usage was in one location but 3x fixed lines is a it overkill.

Keep in mind congestion has only been a problem in the last 12 months or less.

Anyway, it seems no one offers any less congestion than Telstra. 4G would be nice assuming no congestion but it's not in the areas I use. 3G is fast enough when it works at a reasonable pace, at 10pm or later, or before 10am.
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I've just switched over to 4G in Adelaide... I have no idea whether I'm actually on the 4G network or not, but i have noticed a STRONG improvement in the connection and reduction disconnections, the old dongle was fairly old though, so that may have had more of an impact.

the speeds of 4G in sydney CBD have been insane though.

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I moved to telstra recently after vacation it years ago to use 3 which is much cheaper and worked. I have used Dodo a couple of months ago to try it out. I use it in Wollongong, south of Wollongong, and in west Sydney. All have great reception everywhere, but during the day, especially the afternoon, and the evening and night, 3 became unusable, Dodo non existent, and now telstra is showing very bad signs like 3 did when it gradually went to shit. Even with decent or full reception, with an established connection, pages will just time out, browser fails to connect to server, YouTube vids fail, eBay bids don't go through. Very late at night and earlymorning they all work fine.

The Internet on my phone ( virgin) is fucking shit too.

Edit: I looked over at whirlpool a week or so ago, but figured here would be more down to earth to ask.

Telstra is usually pretty good in that regard though. Yeah it's a bit slower in peak time, but page timeouts? That isn't normal.

What hardware are you using Joe? Does it have a connection for external antenna? Maybe you can borrow another modem and see if the result is the same.

On Three/Voda timeouts became really common, I tracked it down to an extremely coarse throttling method they used which kept the DNS results coming through but blocked all the other traffic to the user. Authentication never drops out but the connection just seems to die at regular intervals during peak use times. The pain the the arse was proving the same result across different cells in different states on different hardwares on different operating systems with different IMEIs, having done that they still refused to make their service operate as advertised as claimed there could be no issue with their backend and it had to be a tower problem or incompatibility with the hardware (they supplied).

One complaint to the TIO and I was refunded all the money I had ever paid three.

If you can show that you're getting data selectively filtered and thats not in your contract, you've got a good case to ask your provider to fix it or pay up.

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I had that exact issue on both Voda and Three. Glad to know (i) I'm not insane and (ii) someone out there figured out what was going on. It was weird, because some sites like Gmail would open instantly, file downloads ran at the expected speed, but most websites would just time out. After a year of pain I gave up and went to Telstra.
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Mungo yeah I rang up 3 numerous times and complained when their service started going bad, but I never went as far accumulating proof. I have been on the phone with 3 technical support and at the same time connected to 3 with full reception, ping results 50% to 0% success very common, 100% very rare. Should have taken some screenshots and called TIO there and then, would have got a healthy 4 figure refund.

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I still don't understand how people honestly think that mobile broadband would be an acceptable solution for future broadband internet in place of the fibre connections proposed for the NBN. I really, really, really hope Abbott and co don't get voted in and fuck it up....
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They aren't educated about the subject enough. If they were, they would know that the NBN will actually make wireless better as it takes the load off existing infrastructure and allows much easier installation of new wireless hubs through the NBN.
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NBN is costing a fucking fortune. It is one huge vote buying scheme that will just get used to dowload porn, pirated movies, and for internet gaming, faster facebook and all the other counterproductive gay shit. It's not like everyone that wants NBN needs it for their business to stay competitive with the rest of the globe. Also, NBN is not mobile, and mobile is growing at a much higher rate than fixed line services. Having a mobile phone and mobile internet means people are not stuck in an office all day, which can lead to less requirement for office space = cheaper business overheads, less congested traffic in CBDs.

I'm not saying that NBN is all bad, but it is far from perfect and can't really be compared to mobile services.
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I'm not saying that NBN is all bad, but it is far from perfect and can't really be compared to mobile services.

What Australia has now as far as internet connectivity goes (pre-NBN) is even further from perfect.

Your thread here is a great example of that.
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Actually per internet user it works out at about $2000 ea, not that expensive at all. I'd just like to see it used for productive purposed, not entertainment. High on the agenda is piping TV through the thing, like people don't sit on their arses watching enough of that shit already. 1st on the list is turning on NBN in residential areas, not commercial areas and CBDs.

I guess the net will always be congested until it is fast enough to easily stream 8 blue ray videos simultaneously to 8 different screens on one connection, saturating everyones desire to watch tv/movies/porn, then some new higher def format will come out.
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Cool lack of foresight you're displaying there.

The NBN also helps to future-proof for technologies and services that haven't even been invented or considered yet. Stuff that current infrastructure wouldn't ever be capable of supporting. I know it is difficult for people to see beyond torrents and porn if that is all they use the internet for, but there is a whole other world of opportunity and services beyond those small factors.
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Cool lack of foresight you're displaying there.

No. I said, typo and all: "I'd just like to see it used for productive purposed, not entertainment. High on the agenda is piping TV through the thing..."

That is the agenda of the ALP, not mine. They are not rolling it out to Universities and Industrial areas with research labs and CBDs full of office blocks, they are rolling it out to residential areas 1st.

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The NBN also helps to future-proof for technologies and services that haven't even been invented or considered yet. Stuff that current infrastructure wouldn't ever be capable of supporting.

Of course. I can't wait to see the NBN piped to locations where people actually innovate and not just consume.


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I know it is difficult for people to see beyond torrents and porn if that is all they use the internet for, but there is a whole other world of opportunity and services beyond those small factors.

I wouldn't call them small factors, porn alone is about a third of all downloads, that's huge. But hey, if all the entertainment traffic demanded by consumers allows for even cheaper and higher quality services to be made available to everyone, including me on my unreliable wireless, then I guess porn and torrents is a good thing

But I'll be pised off if I'm pimpin' on my NBN assisted wireless connection, video conferencing with a customer from Dubai, while uploading him the latest 3D model of the prototype, and some loser chokes out my data flow because he decided to torrent the newest Twilight movie in full blue ray for his piece of shit girlfriend.
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But I'll be pised off if I'm pimpin' on my NBN assisted wireless connection, video conferencing with a customer from Dubai, while uploading him the latest 3D model of the prototype, and some loser chokes out my data flow because he decided to torrent the newest Twilight movie in full blue ray for his piece of shit girlfriend.

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But I'll be pised off if I'm pimpin' on my NBN assisted wireless connection, video conferencing with a customer from Dubai, while uploading him the latest 3D model of the prototype, and some loser chokes out my data flow because he decided to torrent the newest Twilight movie in full blue ray for his piece of shit girlfriend.

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My Telstra connection has now gone like Joe's. This is why I left both Voda & Three.

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Not you too. I've since busted my wirless modem being a complete fucking faggot quite a few times, full connection strength showing on modem with full connection showing on computer, but unable to connect to http://192.168.0.1 which is the modems own settings page for fucks sake.

Requires a reboot of the modem to bring it back to life.

I'm going to have to start to document all of this shit service and hardware possibly playing up to hopefully at least get a replacement modem.
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Mine came good after a couple of days, I figure it was a local tower issue. Sounds like you definitely need to try a different modem. At least they're cheap now, around the $50 mark in lots of places.
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Mine came good after a couple of days, I figure it was a local tower issue.

You'll think that, but maybe not tomorrow, and maybe not next week, but soon it'll all go to crap again.

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full connection strength showing on modem with full connection showing on computer, but unable to connect to http://192.168.0.1 which is the modems own settings page for fucks sake

Assume that you do realize that is not a wireless/3G issue?
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Sounds like an 'I have a d-link router' connection issue.

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Bump,

Been on the phone to telstra twice over the last few weeks regarding all this. They said do some speedtest.net tests.









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Complaint with the TIO lodged.


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Assume that you do realize that is not a wireless/3G issue?

Yes. That issue seems to have subsided.
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Try doing some DNS lookups while everything seems to have stopped responding, it would be interesting to note if they're all using the same tricks.

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Will do but can you please go into a bit more detail on exactly what to do and how to log it for future reference.
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I dont know what OS you are using, but there are network tools for each that let you do small actions. Most nerds are familiar with ping, however you might like this:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d....mspx?mfr=true
Smug users already know how to do this on their os.

I was able to record periods when DNS results from their nameservers would return correct data (not just cached), but smtp and http traffic was timing out.

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Thanks, just what I needed, I'm far from smug and winhos7 here. Just did a few ping tests over the last couple of days and saved screen shots, will look more into it when I have time. TIO have now forwarded my complaint to Telstra and they must contact me by 5pm 23rd of May.
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