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wav. vs mp3
hey people so i might have a gig at a club in the up coming month and wanted to know what everyone thought about this. before you say never use mp3's i should mention that i'd only be using 320kbps mp3's, so the high quality ones. i've read that this is a topic that doesn't have a right or a wrong but i'd still like to know what you think? thanks
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Let your ears decide. The sonic difference between 320k mp3s and original WAV files is usually subtle. For most dancefloor situations the audience is not going to be able to notice any difference. mp3s are much more convenient to lug around (much easier than 4 crates of vinyl too) and don't forget the mp3's ID3 tags that are really useful. Most new CD/mp3 'media' players are able to search ID3.
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AIFF is the way to go in my opinion.

You get the best of tagging, and quality.

(But not filesize! )
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320K MP3 is fine, you really need a high quality system to really notice the difference, WAV is perhaps a little punchier, but 99% of people would struggle to pick the difference
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AIFF is the way to go in my opinion.

You get the best of tagging, and quality.

(But not filesize! )

What about FLAC?
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I think this is a decision we all have to make ourselves, use your own ears, if you can't tell the difference then why not use the MP3's.

We all have different opinions on this topic because we all have different ears, minds and we all play on different systems....
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No one has good enough ears to discern any noticeable difference at those extreme volumes in a club. Wavs aren't vinyl, you're not going to hear anything magical about them.

It's different in a purpose built environment to test, but that is irrelevant. Clubs are too loud.
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Loud isn't the issue, it's the fidelity of the sound system and as most club systems are crap you are probably right in a lot of cases!
Personally i prefer to keep things as good as i can, you never know when you'll play on a system where you can tell the difference!
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tbh i heard an mp3 being played on a kick arse funktion one system in fabric london, and it didn't matter. still sounded kick arse.
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Loud isn't the issue, it's the fidelity of the sound system and as most club systems are crap you are probably right in a lot of cases!
Personally i prefer to keep things as good as i can, you never know when you'll play on a system where you can tell the difference!

Of course loudness is an issue. Ear fatigue sets in incredibly fast at those levels, which throws any argument about super high quality systems right out the window.

In a real world club example, there is no discernible difference between Wav and 320mp3. There is with Vinyl, but what you're hearing is actually a degradation in sound which we perceive as "better". Even that difference can be harder to spot at club levels.
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You are probably right in a lot of cases, i have been to a lot of clubs where the system is a lot louder an distorted than it needs to be, in the real world clubs are too loud and ear fatigue is always a issue.
In the studio we can walk away for an hour now and then but in a club you have to keep playing, gradually turning up the monitors and system with every mix!
i still believe i can hear the deference, maybe it is all about psychoacoustics but i can only talk about my experience!
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depends on the rig when playing out. AIFF/WAV at home with a decent headphone monitor such as on the ecler mixer range than you can instantly hear the difference with a good set of cans. I notice the levels dont jump around so much on the mixer and is much more controlled on the bass. everyones personal taste though, i am still on the school of thinking that decent rcas also make a difference though many would dispute this!
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It all adds up, file types, players, cables, mixer, crossover, EQ, amps, speakers, room acoustics and of cause our ears, brains and weather we convince our selves it all sounds the same or not!!! Such is life!
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Decent RCAs are very important - rocked up to a gig and they were using some swiped from a tv (had the third cable) - the punch wasn't there!
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320kbps mp3s are fine for any club environment. and the reason is it's highly unlikely the soundsystem in any club in australia is tuned well enough to make a noticable audible difference.
wavs, flac and aiff produce a more lossless quality sound. but unless the sound system can replicate this, its unoticable. You can tell the difference in a good pair of headphones.

funktion one soundsytem is a good example on that you can tell the differnce in quality, but again, it needs to be tuned correctly. and thats alos only to someone who has a good ear for the nuances in music,
long story short, punters wouldn't be able to tell the differnce


the only thing that you need to consider is (assuming you play cd's) fitting several mp3s on one disc, as opposed to only a couple of AIFF or WAV files, per disc, due to size
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the only thing that you need to consider is (assuming you play cd's) fitting several mp3s on one disc, as opposed to only a couple of AIFF or WAV files, per disc, due to size

"A couple" is a bit of an exaggeration there don't you think? 750MB CDs easily fit 8-10 tracks in .WAV or .CDA format...depending on the minute length of each track...sure, you can pack in mental amounts of MP3s, but I don't see any real point in doing that unless you burn 2 copies of each set of tracks so you don't find yourself wanting to mix in a track which is on the disc that's already playing.
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tbh i thought .WAVs were much bigger than that?
well there you go.

cd's are sooooo last decade anyway
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Naah, WAVs the same size, more or less as CDA, so just think a normal DJ mix CD, you can fit that much stuff on there.
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I actually find wav's are way too harsh for most club systems. Stick with the MP3's.
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Do you find audio CD as harsh as WAVs? Just curious.
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Haven't read the thread but I'm sure this has been said.

99% if not 100% of the crowd won't even be able to tell the difference between 320kb mp3 and WAV. Heck, most of the club systems are pretty shit anyway and you won't notice a difference on them.
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RCA isn't even balanced...
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Do you find audio CD as harsh as WAVs? Just curious.

Depends on the size of the CD.
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Decent RCAs are very important - rocked up to a gig and they were using some swiped from a tv (had the third cable) - the punch wasn't there!


For reliability, yes for sure.

Otherwise a couple of wire coat hangers would be more than ample to get an unbalanced line level audio signal the 20 or so centimetres it needs to travel from the CD player to the mixer, and with zero impact on sound quality.

There's not a 'punch' of difference in sound quality between a set of RCAs stripped from a cheap AV lead set versus a $100+ Monster branded variety, other than durability.
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I actually find wav's are way too harsh for most club systems. Stick with the MP3's.

What on earth are you talking about!
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There's not a 'punch' of difference in sound quality between a set of RCAs stripped from a cheap AV lead set versus a $100+ Monster branded variety, other than durability.

I subscribed to this school of thought for a long time.

That was, until, I had some sound quality issues with my Serato SL3 when using the "Bass Kleph setup method" (i.e. using a female to female USB cable to connect the two RCA's). I played a gig where the sound was incredibly toppy, slightly distorted and all round, just crap!

Since this time, I began using Monster RCA cables (the THX Certified range), and I immediately noticed that considerably warmth and indeed, punch, was apparent!

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To my ears RCA's make a huge difference, but each to there own!!
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Put it this way, if you buy Monster Cables you won't get a worse sound than standard RCA's so why not?
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Put it this way, if you buy Monster Cables you won't get a worse sound than standard RCA's so why not?

You can get them for decent prices from Amazon US.
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There's more to MP3's than the bitrate that has an effect on output quality. If MP3 bitrate is the basis of making a comparison then you all have a lot to learn. It's like comparing cars engine size and saying bigger engine capacity is better.
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No one has good enough ears to discern any noticeable difference at those extreme volumes in a club. Wavs aren't vinyl, you're not going to hear anything magical about them.

It's different in a purpose built environment to test, but that is irrelevant. Clubs are too loud.

Actually, you're wrong.

The bigger the sound reinforcement system, the bigger the perceivable difference between audio quality is between good, bad and otherwise. Think amplitude...
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There's more to MP3's than the bitrate that has an effect on output quality. If MP3 bitrate is the basis of making a comparison then you all have a lot to learn. It's like comparing cars engine size and saying bigger engine capacity is better.

Are you saying my 7'5litre F350 work ute isn't better then my 5.7litre F100 farm ute..... LOL
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Actually, you're wrong.

The bigger the sound reinforcement system, the bigger the perceivable difference between audio quality is between good, bad and otherwise. Think amplitude...

You are so right, it's a lot easier to get quality sound out of a small system, i'm never afraid of installing small bars but large clubs are a whole new ball game and i have to put a lot more thought into room acoustics and the little things like cabling!

I wounder if i can some how set up CDJ2000's to not read MP3's at all,,,, then i would be happy, but everyone would think i am a bigger prick than i actually am!!!!!
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You can get them for decent prices from Amazon US.

Are any of the Monster cables not ridiculously hard to plug and unplug though? I've used similar high end RCA's before and it's nearly impossible to unplug them and they are completely unsuitable for any sort of usage that involves frequent plugging and unplugging.

I broke my last set doing that, I work at a Audio/Electronics wholesaler so I've used a few different ones have found them all the same.

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Amphenol make a good RCA that gets a great connection but can be removed add some decent Mogami cable and you have a great usable cable!!!
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Amphenol make a good RCA that gets a great connection but can be removed add some decent Mogami cable and you have a great usable cable!!!

Cheers dude I'll have a look, I think one of the guys here knows how to put cables together. Otherwise I've done Ethernet cables myself I imagine it's the same idea.

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Cheers dude I'll have a look, I think one of the guys here knows how to put cables together. Otherwise I've done Ethernet cables myself I imagine it's the same idea.

Its not.... ethernet cables are crimped.

RCA cables are soldered and heatshrinked....

If you have soldered before? go for gold... if not get some tips on how to do it properly first so you get the best connection.
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Its not.... ethernet cables are crimped.

RCA cables are soldered and heatshrinked....

If you have soldered before? go for gold... if not get some tips on how to do it properly first so you get the best connection.

Well then, sounds like I'll just get one of the techs down stairs to do it for me.


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I always buy wav

I always think “I should buy WAV”, but then I buy so seldomly, adding tracks to list every so often and then a solid 2 hour session finding more tracks, so often buy like 40+ at a time…and when all is said and done, adding an extra $1 per track to the total price hurts quite a bit so I stick to MP3

Stupid when I used to buy $20 12” singles all the fucking time, but there you go
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Stupid when I used to buy $20 12” singles all the fucking time, but there you go

I know the feeling, i buy only WAV and Vinyl but i always freak out at the checkout when buying files but i never worry about the cost of vinyl!! maybe i'm just a little nuts!!
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Amphenol make a good RCA that gets a great connection but can be removed add some decent Mogami cable and you have a great usable cable!!!

You can drive a van over them. I think they make them in Australia? Or at least they were developed by Amphenol in Australia. They're the best bang for buck RCA.
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Not sure if driving a van over a RCA is a good idea but they are a rock solid RCA, i've been using them for a long time!
Yeah, American company but they use to make the XLR series here, i doubt they are still made here, Amphenol use to be over in Keysborough i think but i haven't been there since maybe 91.
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