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Gold, the look on Abbotts face is priceless.

You have my vote now Julia

As usual, Abbott didn't know wtf to do.

Meanwhile, support from Gail Kelly:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/hands...507-1y954.html

This is the point I've been trying to make...

Mrs Kelly also hit out at businesses attempting to ''run an agenda through third parties or the media''. This approach was not conducive to economic reform, she said.
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As usual, Abbott didn't know wtf to do.

Meanwhile, support from Gail Kelly:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/hands...507-1y954.html

This is the point I've been trying to make...

Mrs Kelly also hit out at businesses attempting to ''run an agenda through third parties or the media''. This approach was not conducive to economic reform, she said.

Yeah like I'm going to listen to the person heading up a bank that screws everyone over with bullshit rate rises.

She's even worse than Gillard.
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Yeah like I'm going to listen to the person heading up a bank that screws everyone over with bullshit rate rises.

She's even worse than Gillard.

Well she's not talking to you, she's talking to your clients.
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Well she's not talking to you, she's talking to your clients.

I doubt anyone listens to a banker any more.
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I doubt anyone listens to a banker any more.

How many of your clients do you think rely on money from banks in order to run their businesses?
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I doubt anyone listens to a banker any more.

except anyone in business
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Lulz at someone in HR saying people shouldn't listen to members of other professions as their opinions are irrelevant.
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Lulz at someone in HR saying people shouldn't listen to members of other professions as their opinions are irrelevant.

lulz at you thinking I work in HR.
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lulz at you thinking I work in HR.

It's all HR to everyone else dubz.

http://www.seek.com.au/human-resourc...ruitment-jobs/

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Except that recruitment has it's own sub-section, which would make it different.

Is it embarrassing when you defeat your own point??
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Except that recruitment has it's own sub-section, which would make it different.

Is it embarrassing when you defeat your own point??

'sub-section' for people who don't care it's all the same.

Like ICT. no one cares if you are a developer or a network engineer unless you work in that sphere.

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They have sub-categories of people who don't work for a living in HR now? Or is that just a blatant attempt by the HR staff working for Seek to make it look like they have a real job?



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One has to say, it's really astonishing how bad this government is. Once again we get a policy that's announced and as soon as someone has a whinge (the unions, once again, what a surprise!) Gillard pretends she didn't know about it.

Crazy shit, they can't even announce a policy properly.
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...zd7a.html#poll

One has to say, it's really astonishing how bad this government is. Once again we get a policy that's announced and as soon as someone has a whinge (the unions, once again, what a surprise!) Gillard pretends she didn't know about it.

Crazy shit, they can't even announce a policy properly.


I voted 'not sure', because I'm not sure.

I'm surprised that 'not sure' doesn't have 100% of the vote

unless Julia Gillard herself voted.
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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...zd7a.html#poll

One has to say, it's really astonishing how bad this government is. Once again we get a policy that's announced and as soon as someone has a whinge (the unions, once again, what a surprise!) Gillard pretends she didn't know about it.

Crazy shit, they can't even announce a policy properly.

Bringing more people under 457 is a fucking atrocious act, especially now that Hastie (who I was working for) has collapsed.

Oh inb4 skill shortage (protip: it doesn't exist, it's just an excuse to bring in Serbs, Chinese and Koreans as cheap labour, I know many, many qualified blue collar workers who can not get work because they are undercut by people working as slaves on 457)
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Bringing more people under 457 is a fucking atrocious act, especially now that Hastie (who I was working for) has collapsed.

Oh inb4 skill shortage (protip: it doesn't exist, it's just an excuse to bring in Serbs, Chinese and Koreans as cheap labour, I know many, many qualified blue collar workers who can not get work because they are undercut by people working as slaves on 457)

Sorry to hear you're part of the hastie mess.

The 457 numbers don't seem that outrageous, also how come companies are complaining that they can't get enough skilled workers? Are the blue collar workers you know willing to relocate anywhere for work?

I don't recruit blue collar so can't comment on that, just read the same articles as everyone else, but I do find people unwilling to relocate, or even just travel a bit further to get a job. Once you spoken to a few hundred people unwilling to go "over the bridge" even for a temp job you start to question things.
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How much are the miners doing to train up school leavers or unemployed for some of these skilled positions?
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How much are the miners doing to train up school leavers or unemployed for some of these skilled positions?

That's a good question. I'd ask another question, of how well the training opportunities for "locals" is being advertised for. Not saying they aren't doing it, I'd just like to know if it is an opportunity, with all its pros and cons being outlayed, that is really being put out there.

If every effort is made to make the opportunities made well aware to those with exact- or almost exact-skills and for whatever reason Australians don't want to take up the necessary jobs then I have no problems with immigrant workers bein employed (as long as they are paid what should be paid). But if there is a level of underselling and lack of advertising placed so as to deliberately uninform locals then I think that is poor. At best.
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this is apparently the industry website for job vacancies

http://www.miningoilandgasjobs.com/

I wonder how much of this will be going on at Rinehart's project

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...528-1zffx.html
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I wonder how much of this will be going on at Rinehart's project

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...528-1zffx.html


This is what it's all about, the skills shortage bullshit story has taken a few years to cultivate but now the rewards will start flowing.
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I'm waiting for the Westminster system to give way to the sporting model. Prime minister? fuck no, we've got a leadership group. We're expecting big things this year from the governing group as a whole. The treasury and finance unit have really stepped up, but a week is a long time in government. So we're just going to take it one question at a time.

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How much are the miners doing to train up school leavers or unemployed for some of these skilled positions?

Martin Ferguson said the Roy Hill EMA will provide 2000 training positions for Australians, including 230 apprenticeships and 110 for Indigenous people.
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How much are the miners doing to train up school leavers or unemployed for some of these skilled positions?

Last time I checked, mining was a business not a charity. Each employee represents a risk, companies seek to minimise this risk in whatever way they can, a key method is to hire someone who already has experience in the role you are looking to fill.

School leavers/unemployed = massive risk.
457s for skilled workers = less risk

Expecting a business to take on risk just to look nice is a bit unrealistic.
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anyway back to Juliar v Phoney Toney

this is more A grade trolling in Parliament

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226373543021
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How about you people actually learn a little thing called having a fucking conscious and not being heartless sociopath you piece of shit.

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anyway back to Juliar v Phoney Toney

this is more A grade trolling in Parliament

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226373543021

it's hilarious, but this article doesn't even mention Julia
over to the Thomson thread please
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How much are the miners doing to train up school leavers or unemployed for some of these skilled positions?

it's construction work and dangerous work in many cases........unless someone is already semi skilled, you can't just train people overnight. The number of peple willing to relocate from the eastern states i would have thought is very low, so there are not too many options other than importing workers for many of the immediate shortages.
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it's hilarious, but this article doesn't even mention Julia
over to the Thomson thread please

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I get that businesses are not charities.
But these 'experienced' people the mines are hiring, at some point in their careers had no experience.

We shouldn't make it any easier for the miners to shirk their responsibility of training Australians.
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No issues here if they are getting paid the same rates as local workers. If not, this sets a worrying precedent.
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Yeah, so long as they're paid at Australian rates and have access to the same rights as Australians, who cares?
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I get that businesses are not charities.
But these 'experienced' people the mines are hiring, at some point in their careers had no experience.

We shouldn't make it any easier for the miners to shirk their responsibility of training Australians.

The point here which most people miss is that most of these mines that need the workers are in the construction phase, not the mining phase, therefore, it's dangerous work and you can't have too many inexperienced workers on a construction site.
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God that Gillard speech at the UN was embarrassing.

"OM NOM NOM, OH AMERICA YOUR PENIS IS SO DELICIOUS, NOW LETS KILL IRANIANS!"

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I think one of Gillard's problems is she's just such an uninspiring speaker, I know all pollies speeches are prepared by speechwriters but the ones who can deliver them well (Obama, Howard both fall into that category IMO) can at least make you forget that and come across with some conviction. Gillard always sounds like she's mouthing platitudes off a script. Maybe she needs better speechwriters?

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I think one of Gillard's problems is she's just such an uninspiring speaker, I know all pollies speeches are prepared by speechwriters but the ones who can deliver them well (Obama, Howard both fall into that category IMO) can at least make you forget that and come across with some conviction. Gillard always sounds like she's mouthing platitudes off a script. Maybe she needs better speechwriters?

I agree. To me she sounds like she is speaking to a classroom of 9 year olds. However in Parliament she is usually very good. It's weird.
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Gillard is very good when people are throwing rocks at her. When she gets the controlled fury thing dialled in properly, she actually looks Prime Ministerial. However when people are not throwing rocks at her, she is not good. This is a problem when you have an Opposition whose output is more akin pea-shooting than rock throwing (and a problem wen no-one is throwing anything at all - it would be terribly depresseing to be her speechwriter, becase you'd wirte these great lines and she would deliver tham as though she was reading out a shopping list).

Solution: she needs to pay a bunch of people to throw rocks at her in private, and then to wheel her out so that she can point the controlled fury at the Opposition.

It wasn't how she presented her speech at the UN was the problem, it was the entire speech itself.
Seriously it was like the thing was written by AIPAC and the Pro-America lobby. A UN security council seat is about ensuring peace and not acting rash, she went in there basically calling for Iranian blood for the blood god and then spouted about how America was the greatest place in the Universe, Oh and then the massive lie about how Australia values UN matters more than any other country (Except when it comes to Refugees and Human Rights, then the UN can go fuck itself)

How is Iran or Syria an issue for Australia? They are not, the speech just confirmed even more that Australia is the US' biggest lapdog.

How anyone can say "Australia should be independent from the Monarchy" is a joke, when we are pretty much now a satellite state of the US.
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"stability" in the middle east is every Western country's issue.

i.e. stability being keeping the darkies at bay.

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the willingness to resort to violence in order to preserve this ideal may drive fear into those that might not think this inability to cause offence through free expression is an especially ideal state and won't speak out due to this fear of reprisal.

That's the whole point though. People who break rank in their society are already pariahs, it ain't perfect but it's their system.


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social harmony (or cohesion) can often be just an excuse to oppress female and minority rights for this supposed common good.

I don't think it's an active choice - they don't wake up and go "*yawn* I might oppress some women today". The cast has already been set.
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"stability" in the middle east is every Western country's issue.

i.e. stability being keeping the darkies at bay.

And the oil flowing.

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"stability" in the middle east is every Western country's issue.

i.e. stability being keeping the darkies at bay.

Bombing the fuck out of one of the most populated and culturally rich Central Asian countries isn't stability I think.

Also Iranians aren't "darkies" they are Persian.



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I just don't think calling for the blood of an entire country and the deaths of potentially millions of people because Israel and the US want to them destroyed for Geo-Political reasons using imaginary "Weapons of Mass Destruction" again as Casus belli is a good idea.
Also damaging our relations with China, making us a military target when the inevitable US/China conflict begins is a great idea as well.

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We should certainly try to persuade the United States to rely upon diplomacy and negotiations. Unfortunately, when a great power's influence is, in world terms, starting to diminish, it tends to rely more on that element of her power which remains supreme. For the United States that means a greater reliance on her military. The argument will not be easy.

We have to tell America that policies of containment won't work and are arousing significant hostility, and that will grow. Such a position would also send a powerful message to our neighbours in the region in which we live – including China - that we want to play a cooperative and constructive role in partnership with them to secure peace throughout the whole region.

We have a good trade and economic relationship with China, but we cannot continue as the Government does to assert that our trade relationship has nothing to do with our strategic relationship. The two are intertwined and part of the whole. It is time we stopped thinking of ourselves as supplicants and started to think for ourselves as a people who are prepared to stand up. Oh how, in today's world, I envy New Zealand.

Let there be no mistake with today's policies, America is in charge of our destiny and that fills me with concern. The imperative for Australia is to make sure that Australian Governments place the interests of the people of Australia first. We must be subservient to no-one. We must preserve alliances certainly, but must not extend the scope of those alliances in a way that binds us to follow America into wars, which are contrary to our own interests.

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Saw Fraser on the ABC the other week, talked in length on the same topic as well as the refugee issue. They certainly don't make politicians like they used to here.

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And the oil flowing.

Isn't that stability?


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Bombing the fuck out of one of the most populated and culturally rich Central Asian countries isn't stability I think.

Also Iranians aren't "darkies" they are Persian.

sarcasm my good friend... I disagree with the nature of the talk but I'm not really interested in sharing all my views on Israel and the middle east here.

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1. That's the whole point though. People who break rank in their society are already pariahs, it ain't perfect but it's their system.




2. I don't think it's an active choice - they don't wake up and go "*yawn* I might oppress some women today". The cast has already been set.


1. My point is that it isn't truly an harmonic or cohesive society that enforces an ideal of harmony and cohesion under threat of violent reprisal for disturbing what they think the ideal is.

2. I think it is an active choice by men in those countries that practice forms of institutionalised misogyny. Change only happens through people. Having said that, those men who may want to bring about change for women and minorities are hamstrung by the problems discussed in my first point. Their options require a far tougher choice than I have ever faced in wanting to bring about change here in Australia: their choice could lead to the loss of their life or of their family's lives.
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