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Gambling Addiction?
A woman has been jailed for at least two years for stealing more than $800,000 from her employers to feed her gambling habit.

"I'm not here to make excuses or ask for any sympathy. I just want to warn people that this can happen to anyone."

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My question is. Can "gambling addiction" happen to anyone?

One theory of mine is it comes down to will power. Is it just the weak minded like drug addicts who fall to this sort of addiction & then once they hit rock bottom have to blame someone else for the mistakes they knew they were making before being caught out?

Is it fair to the majority of gamblers that the whole industry be shut down because of a minority being "problem gamblers"?

Just like the legal sale of alcohol & tobacco do you really think legal gambling will be shut down considering the amount of $$$ the government makes from the profits of these activities since the legit introduction of casinos in Australia in the 1970's.

After all if it did we all know it will just go underground like it originally was.
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Says the bloke thinking about putting $100 on the USA for the Olympic basketball.....
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One theory of mine is it comes down to will power. Is it just the weak minded like drug addicts who fall to this sort of addiction & then once they hit rock bottom have to blame someone else for the mistakes they knew they were making before being caught out?

I think maybe you could compare it to those that claim to be "addicted to weed" as it is primarily a mental addiction rather than a physical one such as when someone is addicted to hard drugs.
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So what I think you are saying is the weak minded are the ones who will suffer in the end & they are the ones who lose control of gambling responsibly ?



Cant see the government doing much about this other than fund gambling addiction groups








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Says the bloke thinking about putting $100 on the USA for the Olympic basketball.....


I consider myself a responsible gambler but thanks for reminding me . I dont expect to win $1000 from a $10 bet. More the other way round. 10%-20% return is what i'm happy with

just threw $100 on at 1.17

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I don't have a problem with gambling per se but I do have massive issues with the ubiquity of pokies which are highly addictive and the ever-increasing proliferation of sportsbetting on tv: the former is just a suckhole for cash, and the latter is just fuck-off annoying (I can enjoy a game of footy - any game, not just the teams I support - without knowing the odds every fucking five seconds; it's also a bad influence on kids watching games).

I have no problems with betting agencies advertising their product, just the ceaseless saturation of it. The Roos are $1.05 favourites at 3 quarter time and 50 points up - no fucking shit sherlock.
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just threw $100 on at 1.17

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fuck that shit, you lose $100 for the sake of trying to win $17.00. much rather have 20 x $5.00 bets on things paying between 5 and 10... but thats just me
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fuck that shit, you lose $100 for the sake of trying to win $17.00. much rather have 20 x $5.00 bets on things paying between 5 and 10... but thats just me




So with that theory since you've had a flutter how much have you lost?

I'd be very very surprised if you tell me you are ahead
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I have a bet but the point of betting for me is entertainment. I throw down a 10 way multi every week for the Premier League and expect to lose it. If it ever came up (I've had 9 out of 10 a few times) I'd be ecstatic but to me, the idea of betting to win money is bizarre. I stick money down as an expense I'm not expecting to get back and chat with my mates about the picks / compare with theirs. Good fun and a social thing.

I also play poker with mates every month or so. Again, a social event.

Pokies I have a massive problem with however. They are designed to be addictive and a money pit and the manufacturers spend serious R&D funds on researching the most granular details of which lights are most addictive etc. That along with being the most antisocial way of betting. You see old ladies sitting there, clearly addicted, feeding $50 after $50 into the thing. Predatory in the extreme.

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I have an issue with people who blame their own character flaws or dishonesty on addictions. There are thousands of gambling addicts, but very few of them are criminals or fraudsters. Perhaps this is a case of a dishonest woman who also happens to be a gambling addict? I know people who are addicts but who support their own habit without stealing from others
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I don't have a problem with gambling per se but I do have massive issues with the ubiquity of pokies which are highly addictive and the ever-increasing proliferation of sportsbetting on tv: the former is just a suckhole for cash, and the latter is just fuck-off annoying (I can enjoy a game of footy - any game, not just the teams I support - without knowing the odds every fucking five seconds; it's also a bad influence on kids watching games).

I have no problems with betting agencies advertising their product, just the ceaseless saturation of it. The Roos are $1.05 favourites at 3 quarter time and 50 points up - no fucking shit sherlock.

I agree 100%, I cannot believe the sportsbet companies are allowed to advertise during sporting broadcasts and not only that, use fucking commentators to further influence people! It really is evident of a government who have no intention of using legislation to curb gambling addiction.

Poker machines, like cigarettes are simply a tax on the poor and stupid.
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Pokies I have a massive problem with however. They are designed to be addictive and a money pit and the manufacturers spend serious R&D funds on researching the most granular details of which lights are most addictive etc. That along with being the most antisocial way of betting. You see old ladies sitting there, clearly addicted, feeding $50 after $50 into the thing. Predatory in the extreme.



Yeh Pokies are dodge.

It prays on lonely people with no life (eg old people) who have nothing better to do. The machine becomes there imaginary friend.

Governments make millions from these things so cannot see these ever being banned.
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But how else will we have Jaimee Rogers constantly on our screens in all her pert, toothy glory?



yeh i didnt think Jaimee was that great to look out at first

Now i think she 's bit of a looker

She's grown on me.



thing is, TAB Sportsbet always give the worst odds
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I agree 100%, I cannot believe the sportsbet companies are allowed to advertise during sporting broadcasts and not only that, use fucking commentators to further influence people! It really is evident of a government who have no intention of using legislation to curb gambling addiction.

is that really such a big problem?

people have had enough of the ever expanding nanny state. let adults be adults.
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I'm not sure that the nanny-state is ever-expanding?

If the Age is talking about the twentieth anniversary of poker machines in Victoria, that's an expansion in freedom to gamble in the lifetime of most people. The reason why sports betting is expanding in the past decade is because it's regulated less.
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I think yes any kind of addiction can 'happen to anyone' per se. It's obviously a generally warped psychological state of mind to get into to get addicted to such a thing.

It could start so simply, and before you know it you find yourself doing the activity compulsively even though it starts to overtake your life. It fills a void that you are missing depending on what is going on in your life. Perhaps you've lost your job, your wife left you, you've had some sort of personal tragedy etc.

Under the right circumstances I beleive it could happen to anyone.

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Are you aware that an actual neurological chemical change occurs inside an addicted person's brain? This changes the normal reward responses that people without addictions experience. It's no so cut and dried.

There are also particular personality types that are prone to addiction. There are also many forms of addiction, including internet addiction, often manifest by people posting utter shit.
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Yes it could but you are responsible for making "that choice".


I personally think that's the ez option. You've pretty much said game over i'm flying the white flag & givin up.

It's sad but there are other positive options you can take.

Ofcourse you are responsible for every choice you make, I agree entirely. I'm just saying there can be factors and personal situations in your life that will greatly effect the decisions that you make.

Imagine you're a successful business man with a beautiful devoted wife and two great kids. You enjoy a beer and a bet on the weekend footy at the local.

Then all of a sudden you lose your job due to cutbacks, your wife leaves you saying she never loved you and takes the kids. Obviously upset you retreat to the pub to drown your sorrows.

Who is more likely to develop a gambling problem? The guy who's lost his job and family, or the same guy that second paragraph never happened to?

Both are responsible for their decisions yes, but they are in completely different psychological states of mind.

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yes I understand it's that so cut n dry.

& there is no need for the personal abuse

but what i'm saying is people can choose to get professional help to fight these chemical imbalances.

Gamblers Anonymous have programs to keep you from blowing all you cash. ie they will look after it for you & give you enough $$$ for food etc

Just like drug addicts the ez option is to go & find your next fix, the pro active option is go to rehab & get help.

Its your choice.



So do have a solution to the problem other than abusing me for forming an opinion?

There is a massive difference though between pokies and other forms of betting though as you yourself have alluded to.

Of course people need to take responsibility for their choices, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but as Davomaxi pointed out there is a psychological factor at play as well. It's not by conicidence that people like Michelle Scott lose these vast sums of money either at casinos or in pokies rooms: it's because those forms of gambling are normally rapid-fire in function designed specifically to cloud a person's reasoning capabilities so they are more inclined to continue than not.

This woman accepts full responsibility for her actions, accepts her punishment, but asks a reasonable question: just like pubs, clubs and bars are meant to administer responsible service of alcohol to their patrons, why does this not also apply to gambling and pokies institutions when delivering their product?
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Sure that sux but that falls under "flying the white flag" & giving up.

I'm sure that's scenario has happened to plenty of people.

No chemical imbalance there. Just sheer bad luck & time will hopefully pep him back up again so he can have another go.

It's not his kids fault so you would think for his kids sake he will find the strength from his kids to want to get back on top of it eventually & be a father figure to them again?

Would he really want his kids to have to feel sorry for him for the rest of his life? That's being selfish imo & all he is doing is punishing his children in the long run.

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Mate you live in a dream world, try reality. When your world crumbles and you're in crisis mode, you don't think clearly.




A dream world?

So because you lost your job & your wife takes your kids you think that's a good enough excuse to give up on being a father to your kids fullstop?

Sure for the short term you'll be in shut down mode but for the rest of your life?

Why should the kids be punished? What did they do rong ?
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A dream world?

So because you lost your job & your wife takes your kids you think that's a good enough excuse to give up on being a father to your kids fullstop?

Sure for the short term you'll be in shut down mode but for the rest of your life?

Why should the kids be punished? What did they do rong ?

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Try asking a question that's not completely stupid


As in what is Kings Cross?

But yes you're correct expecting a grown man to bounce back from a marriage breakup is completely stupid
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Pokies I have a massive problem with however. They are designed to be addictive and a money pit and the manufacturers spend serious R&D funds on researching the most granular details of which lights are most addictive etc. That along with being the most antisocial way of betting. You see old ladies sitting there, clearly addicted, feeding $50 after $50 into the thing. Predatory in the extreme.

This times a million. I don’t even think you can use the term gambling and gaming machine in the same sentence. Pokies are the literally the crystal meth of the gambling world, designed by mathematicians and psychologists to extract as much possible money at the lowest possible rate of return from some of the most vulnerable people in society. These just aren’t machines designed for people to have some quick fun with, every single pattern, light, noise and action has been designed to stimulate a part of an addicts brain to hook them in even more.

The fact that Australian clubs and sport are so dependent on the misery of others is morally reprehensible.
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I agree 100%, I cannot believe the sportsbet companies are allowed to advertise during sporting broadcasts and not only that, use fucking commentators to further influence people! It really is evident of a government who have no intention of using legislation to curb gambling addiction.

Poker machines, like cigarettes are simply a tax on the poor and stupid.

This I also agree with. I have no problem with people gambling on sports, but I have a major issue with betting companies being allowed to teach children to associate gambling with sports.

I do not understand why they ban fast food advertising during TV shows that kids may watch and the vast majority of smoking in television shows/all forms of smoking advertising so they don't teach children to form destructive habits, yet betting companies are allowed to pay networks to advertise live odds by announcers during the broadcast of a sports game. Gambling is legally an adult product thus should be restricted in the same way.
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This I also agree with. I have no problem with people gambling on sports, but I have a major issue with betting companies being allowed to teach children to associate gambling with sports.

I do not understand why they ban fast food advertising during TV shows that kids may watch and the vast majority of smoking in television shows/all forms of smoking advertising so they don't teach children to form destructive habits, yet betting companies are allowed to pay networks to advertise live odds by announcers during the broadcast of a sports game. Gambling is legally an adult product thus should be restricted in the same way.

I think the Federal Government said something last year to the effect that, we'll give you two years to sort it out yourselves or we'll do it for you. I suspect these companies, and the sporting comps beholden to them, are smashing it while they can. But I totally agree that as well as being annoying to hear the odds all throughout a telecast it is morally reprehensible that they are making a clear association between gambling and sport through the entrenched pervasiveness of the advertising, which can not be a healthy thing for kids to have imprinted on their developing brains.

Hopefully it gets sorted soon. And fuck the nanny-state accusations right off ay (not directed at you Mids): no one is calling for a ban on the gambling industry, I'm not even suggesting a ban on advertising, just that we not be constantly assaulted with odds throughout the game, and that there is a clear demarcation point between the telecast and the advertising. It's not that much to ask. And no rights are curtailed. The only real reason I got Foxtel was for the sport (and to get HBO/AMC tv type stuff) and while I know that "assault" is most definitely a loaded word I think it is more than applicable if you spend any time watching Fox Sports and Fox Footy of a weekend.
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As in what is Kings Cross?

But yes you're correct expecting a grown man to bounce back from a marriage breakup is completely stupid

As a Melbournite, I think that is a pretty valid question, and people actually responded to it without calling me an idiot/muppet/ignoramus/any other term that can be used to describe the person that must be behind the tripe that you post.

Life is a bit more complicated than how you are making out. in fact, I'm pretty sure that post was a troll attempt (because surely you can't be that idiotic to think that a man who has just had a failed marriage/kids taken probably would be thinking that the rest of his life is probably worthless so the option to gamble his problems away seems pretty good), but it seems not many people have taken the bait. try harder next time.


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is that really such a big problem?

people have had enough of the ever expanding nanny state. let adults be adults.

Sure, an ADULT can choose to drive to to their TAB, walk over to it if they're in a pub, pick up the phone, log on the internet or use app.

Why do I, or young impressionable children need it shoved down our throats.
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If a Cops wife & kids recently left him & he was in a odd mental state & he tasered someone because he wasn't thinking strait would you accept that is ok? Cops are people too

Such a specious analogy merely highlights the lack of credibility in your position.
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Handouts to low-income earners under the federal government’s carbon tax scheme have led to a surge in gaming revenues at pubs and clubs, prompting calls for the compensation to be paid as credits rather than cash.

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Sure, an ADULT can choose to drive to to their TAB, walk over to it if they're in a pub, pick up the phone, log on the internet or use app.

Why do I, or young impressionable children need it shoved down our throats.

same reason we need ads for anything shoved down our throats
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this is interesting, although hardly surprising

They refuse to learn from their mistakes -- Kevin Rudd's $900 cash handout a few years ago resulted in the highest monthly poker machine yield on record for clubs around the country.
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same reason we need ads for anything shoved down our throats

there is a difference between an advertisment and commentators spending time discussing something because a particular advertiser is paying them.

to take my point to the literal extreme.... what's the difference between this and 'cash for comments' they don't specifically mention they are being paid for the discussion.

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They refuse to learn from their mistakes -- Kevin Rudd's $900 cash handout a few years ago resulted in the highest monthly poker machine yield on record for clubs around the country.

i thought the compo was about 10 dollars?
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there is a difference between an advertisment and commentators spending time discussing something because a particular advertiser is paying them.

to take my point to the literal extreme.... what's the difference between this and 'cash for comments' they don't specifically mention they are being paid for the discussion.

dude it is all about money. there is no difference.
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there is a significant difference. The precedence is based on smoking commercials.

also you don't see the commentators all sitting at the desk with a bottle of VB or [insert alcoholic drink/fast food sponsor here]

It's also been mentioned before that if a ban on fast food and smoking advertising at times is legitimate then why not gambling.

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do you watch masterchief? filled with product placement. did you watch irobot? filled with product placement. everyone does it all the time. it funds the great programming that is available to us.

If it is live sports betting that you are more worried about than the product placement.. why? I thought the general consensus was that sports betting was fine and that only the pokies were evil?
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Gambling is gambling. Pokies might be the worst of it, but problem gamblers can be sports gamblers too. They shouldn't be allowed to push it any more than they're allowed to push alcohol and cigs, IMO.

Interesting though that so many people feel that there is good gambling and bad gambling, and that sports gambling is a healthy way to get in the spirit of things. Like, we'll have a pinga with mates but we're not druggies like those meth users. Which is of course the exact aim of the advertisers.

It goes a bit further than product placement when hosts/commentators are seamless working the going odds into their coverage.
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Interesting though that so many people feel that there is good gambling and bad gambling, and that sports gambling is a healthy way to get in the spirit of things. Like, we'll have a pinga with mates but we're not druggies like those meth users. Which is of course the exact aim of the advertisers.



Kinda agree.

Pingers arent addictive. Meth is.

For myself sportsbetting is no where as addictive as pokies. You know the pokies are for the regular users.

Pokies are the Meth of gambling sportsbetting the pingers
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i thought the compo was about 10 dollars?

Yep, if you had a decent job. People on benefits/the pension/minimum wage etc got the lot.
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Gambling is gambling. Pokies might be the worst of it, but problem gamblers can be sports gamblers too. They shouldn't be allowed to push it any more than they're allowed to push alcohol and cigs, IMO.

Interesting though that so many people feel that there is good gambling and bad gambling, and that sports gambling is a healthy way to get in the spirit of things. Like, we'll have a pinga with mates but we're not druggies like those meth users. Which is of course the exact aim of the advertisers.

It goes a bit further than product placement when hosts/commentators are seamless working the going odds into their coverage.


There is a big difference though between pokies and general sports betting. It is not possible to win at pokies in the long term it almost shouldn't be termed gambling. But you can win betting on sports if you are good enough. I agree that commentators shouldn't be going on about it but I don't mind the other advertising for it.
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this is interesting, although hardly surprising

Paying in credits wouldn't work, because people would have leftover cash from having been given the credits in the first place. Leftover cash goes into the pokies instead of the stimulus payments.
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Yep, if you had a decent job. People on benefits/the pension/minimum wage etc got the lot.

crikey took this stupid media beatup apart today, story is a load of bollocks
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