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Originally Posted by CheelWinston

apart from the glory for the Tigers and Swans, there was something else good that happened that year. Maybe Mark Webber won a race or something. Cricket World Cup or something? Can't remember.

You must mean that famous penalty that Aloisi slotted..

A-League started in 05

Personally I don't think it's sensible (or fair to our athletes) to be talking any "potentially embarrassing Olympic tally" when day three has barely commenced.

So I'm going to go ahead and lock this, and we can revisit it after the Olympics if it's indeed worth discussing

Well if you absolutely must have a bitch about our performance, here's the place.

Personally I think things went better than expected. Sure swimming wasn't our best haul but there were many other highlights that made amends.

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A potentially embarrassing Olympic tally to come, a far cry from our 4th in the Sydney 2000 games. No world cups to our name, our cricket team is the worst it's been in 20 years with multiple Ashes losses, no grand slams or good tennis players besides Stosur who does okay. A massive choke by our best golfer.

Australian sport fucking sucks right now. For a nation of 20 million we always punched above our weight, but I fear now the rest of the world has caught on to the keys to success and countries with larger populations are going to own us by sheer weight of numbers.

Besides the Tour de France, we've had nothing to celebrate recently.

Will our time in the sun circa 1999/2000 ever repeat itself? If you can recall then what we had, it was practically everything we wanted and the world envied our sporting prowess.

It always amazes me how the armchair sportsman gets so up in arms about the performance of various teams.


I'd rather see increased rates in literacy than more gold medals.

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It always amazes me how the armchair sportsman gets so up in arms about the performance of various teams.


I'd rather see increased rates in literacy than more gold medals.

'Straya do fuken sik in that oi reckon

'Australia's BMX cunce let the team down badly. Give me a go serious'

- Nicole Kidman

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It always amazes me how the armchair sportsman gets so up in arms about the performance of various teams.


I'd rather see increased rates in literacy than more gold medals.

And more money put into roads, driving education and also general infrastructure.

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'Australia's BMX cunce let the team down badly. Give me a go serious'

- Nicole Kidman

Cack

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we could do as well as china

Double cack

With 3 different codes of Football being the first 3 tiers of Aussie sport, it's not like Australian sports could really go any lower.

I think we did ok tbh. We got 16 silver ffs. Take half of those as gold and you have an above par performance from us. But if I was gonna make improvements I would....

-Put less money into top tier athletes.
-More money into infrastructure and grass roots sporting clubs and associations
-Decentralise the Institute of Sport
-Pump money into the Universities ala the American collegial system. This gives top young athletes somewhere to train in decent facilities and get a decent education

Per Capita Australia & New Zuland I imagine are in the Top 3 in the world.

Pretty much says that things are pretty good in these parts when so much $$$ can be pumped into sport

Japan has 6 times our population & got less Golds. Canada has 35 million people & got less Golds than us.

We nearly did just as well as Germany Italy & France. They have populations 3/4 times bigger than ours

Who cares if we didnt make it in the Top 5 Gold medals.

Srsly who gives a flyn fck?

$$$ should be spent on infastructure, animal welfare & the A-League instead of some dude getting up at 5 in the morning to swim up & down a pool




Brazil only got 3 golds. I bet they get at least 10-20 by the next Olympics in Rio. Billions will be pumped into it while the people in the favelas get shunted even more

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$$$ should be spent on infastructure, animal welfare & the A-League

best ITMer ever

Whats the A-League?

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Whats the A-League?

Animal Football League. I agree, more money should be spend on performing animals, monkey cycling and bear unicycle races would be rad too.

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Animal Football League. I agree, more money should be spend on performing animals, monkey cycling and bear unicycle races would be rad too.

What are your thoughts on the eligibility of midgets? Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

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What are your thoughts on the eligibility of midgets? Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

Midgets should have their own classes in Olympic boxing, wrestling, pole vault and high jump.

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Animal Football League. I agree, more money should be spend on performing animals, monkey cycling and bear unicycle races would be rad too.

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Animal Football League. I agree, more money should be spend on performing animals, monkey cycling and bear unicycle races would be rad too.

I know we are right down the bottom right hand corner of the planet but comments like this just prove how much of a redneck kulture we are.




If it grunts ruck it
If it squeels f**k it

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0OTWSHHg8

Is that at the Cronulla-Sutherland Rodeo bro?

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Originally Posted by Dero13

Per Capita Australia & New Zuland I imagine are in the Top 3 in the world.

Pretty much says that things are pretty good in these parts when so much $$$ can be pumped into sport

Japan has 6 times our population & got less Golds. Canada has 35 million people & got less Golds than us.

We nearly did just as well as Germany Italy & France. They have populations 3/4 times bigger than ours

Who cares if we didnt make it in the Top 5 Gold medals.

Srsly who gives a flyn fck?

$$$ should be spent on infastructure, animal welfare & the A-League instead of some dude getting up at 5 in the morning to swim up & down a pool




Brazil only got 3 golds. I bet they get at least 10-20 by the next Olympics in Rio. Billions will be pumped into it while the people in the favelas get shunted even more

Per capita Australia isn't even in the top 10. They also fare badly when you look at the GDP rankings and team size.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/data...ve-medal-table

I wish you'd shut up about animal welfare, like that's a big issue in this country. Sometimes I wonder what planet you're on.

i agree on the per capita thingo.......we always wear it as a badge yet in real terms it ain't correct.
we actually had the 3rd or 4th biggest team.

the olympics kinda sux as it tries to highlight our elite and cover over what is really going on underneath.

I know you're not that smart Dero but clearly you can tell that's in the USA

It's the Banana Derby, America's Favourite Monkey Jockeys

Speaking of New Zealand they got another gold this morning too, the shotput winner got busted for drugs and the NZ lady who came 2nd got promoted to gold... Good on 'em

Had a read of this thread...some LOL's and some WDFs...

I don't buy into this per capita bs...only Aussies seem to find a lame way to make ourselves feel better and say, "IF" we re-arrange the medal tally to 'per capita' we be tops (we did this last Olympics too)...What's the population in Kenya? Just under 40m people...their main focus is long distance running so having 6 golds in Beijing was a job well done...whereas in London they only got 2 golds...its a utter failure:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8JD4Z320120813

What I'm trying to get is Australia prides itself as a "sporting nation", its the beauty about Australia is that we have options and freedom to do whatever we want, sometimes too many options and not enough 'financial backing' so athletes these days have to be smart and go where the financial rewards/gains which may well be another sport or a different profession altogether...so, of course this reflects it in these Olympics and as a result we did crap, plain and simple...so it shouldn't be much of a surprise...

Now, are you happy with the performance with our athletes? Some Aussie athletes whether they finished first or last should be proud of themselves and have their heads held high as they showed courage, passion and commitment (Kim Crow, rowing & Alicia Coutts, swimming gets my vote) in giving their best but at times as we have witnessed, there was someone or many others better on the day...but on the other hand, some athletes were a disgrace and should get a face palm...i.e. you have a Aussie shooter that almost missed her games because she simply slept in! Or, we have the very famous James Magnussen busy at work creating nicknames and promoting its, 'Weapons of Mass Destruction" team and from what I saw in his interviews, a right-up arrogant prick that failed miserably...you haven't learnt from the Americans and their famous lines about smashing guitars? I was actually more relieved that he failed so he can come back down to earth and learn from this and notice the difference between confidence and arrogance...

I don't think we can do any worst and I'm sure we be back amongst the best in the next Olympics in Rio (assuming more money being pumped back into our sports again)

Trackmasta how can you call Magnussen a complete failure when he won a silver medal (not to mention only missed out by 0.01 sec . Nobody mentions how arrogant Sally Pearson was being, I wonder if they would have had she missed the gold?

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What are your thoughts on the eligibility of midgets? Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

midgets are bearly eligible at the best of times, but going by weight classes we punch well above our wait

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/data...ve-medal-table

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average them all out, factor in body mass index then multiply by football codes

Rank Country Medals
1. Nauru 94.5
2. Federated States of Micronesia 91.1
3. Cook Islands 90.9
4. Tonga 90.8
5. Australia 81.7
6. Samoa 80.4
7. Palau 78.4
8. Kuwait 74.2
9. United States 74.1
10. Kiribati 73.6
11. Dominica 71.0
12. Barbados 69.7
13. Argentina 69.4
14. Egypt 69.4
15. Malta 68.7
16. Greece 68.5
17. New Zealand 68.4
18. United Arab Emirates 68.3
19. Mexico 68.1
20. Trinidad and Tobago 67.9

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Trackmasta how can you call Magnussen a complete failure when he won a silver medal (not to mention only missed out by 0.01 sec . Nobody mentions how arrogant Sally Pearson was being, I wonder if they would have had she missed the gold?

You can be confident, but you can come off very easily as arrogant and cocky
"brace yourselves"
Hope this has been a big lesson to him.

Under promise, over deliver.

Dero having a cry cause someone out-trolled him. Taste of your own medicine

Ya fucken sook.

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Originally Posted by Derelict

Trackmasta how can you call Magnussen a complete failure when he won a silver medal (not to mention only missed out by 0.01 sec . Nobody mentions how arrogant Sally Pearson was being, I wonder if they would have had she missed the gold?

I never saw or read about Pearson being arrogant, can you link those stories?

As to Magnussen, he created his own hype - live by the sword, die by the sword.

If he was in the US team, called himself 'The Missile', his relay team 'Weapons of Mass Destruction', other swimmers they should 'brace themselves' and his biggest opponent was himself we would all be pissing ourselves.

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Originally Posted by Derelict

Trackmasta how can you call Magnussen a complete failure when he won a silver medal (not to mention only missed out by 0.01 sec . Nobody mentions how arrogant Sally Pearson was being, I wonder if they would have had she missed the gold?

i don't think pearson was being arrogant at all. I think she was measured and confident in her ability, but knew she still had to do everything right to win. Magnussen seemed as if he had already won the gold medal in his head and all he had to do was turn up. That's why he was so rattled after the relay flop

Hmm I guess I didn't see enough of Magnussen then. Ah well next time he will win gold.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy B

I think we did ok tbh. We got 16 silver ffs. Take half of those as gold and you have an above par performance from us. But if I was gonna make improvements I would....

-Put less money into top tier athletes.
-More money into infrastructure and grass roots sporting clubs and associations
-Decentralise the Institute of Sport
-Pump money into the Universities ala the American collegial system. This gives top young athletes somewhere to train in decent facilities and get a decent education

Good post. There are some serious inefficiencies in the Australian sport system, and the the biggest problem is that we are completely lacking the high school/collegiate system that exists in the USA. In Sydney for example there is only one or two "sports" high schools which are Westfields and Narrabeen. At Westfield they had one S&C coach for 500 students and he wouldn't work with the S&C guys at NSWIS.

I went to a talent development strategy meeting once for the sport of rowing (ie: a meeting conducted at the AIS which included the national talent development coordinator and all the elite development program coaches). At that meeting we were discussing ways to identify and develop talent of course. I made the simple observation that all of the best rowers in the country at 16-18yrs of age go to private schools so why don't we develop a testing program which engages those schools (ie: conduct VO2max tests or 2km ergo tests once or twice per year). The director said "we've already tried that, they (the schools) are not interested, they won't work with us".

In both swimming and track and field, NSWIS has a talent development program and there are about 50-100 juniors in each program. They get minimal support from (NSWIS) but just enough so that it takes staff away from their job of working with the top athletes.

So you are right on the money here Jimmy, how do you operate an elite development pathway when high schools and universities have little or no engagement with the sports institutes? There is no govt support to help pay club level coaches and completely forget about ongoing coach education programs, mandatory requirements such as having a sport science degree or any funds for other staff such as S&C coaches. Australia routinely punches above its weight at junior level IAAF meets, so we have enough talent out there and (just enough) participation (although this needs to be strongly encouraged), but when you have coaches with a level 1 weekend course writing periodised training and S&C programs to talented 15-18yrs olds, they all end up with poor mechanics and injuries when they finish high school, or they suddenly leave school have absolutely no money given to them at the elite level. I've seen some very promising athletes have their sporting careers basically ruined by bad coaching. Offer better money, and you get better coaches. Pretty simple concept IMO.

What needs to happen is exactly as you said, money needs to go towards good coaching (which includes S&C coaching) and education at club/high school/university level. Then at the elite level you drastically reduce the number of athletes that you offer scholarships to, and those that do have scholarships get some sort of stipend so they can actually see some financial value in giving up paid employment to train full time.

One last thing that needs to happen is to remove the influence of fickle govts and politicans to the funding cycle. GB uses a national lottery to fund its elite sport so they are independently funded which acts like a safeguard.

The countries that do this sort of thing effectively eg: GB in particular, are doing well at the olympics.

I'd like to know if the world decided to not have the Olympics 1 time, 1 time, and directed all that money towards actual needs how much better off countries would be ?
Another thing that annoys me is the buildings that get erected for almost solely for 2 weeks, only to lie relatively dormant after that. Why can't they "recycle" or manage with existing infrastructures ?
Just seems like so much wasteful money.

IMHO, the only real solution is an East Germanesque doping program.

Cheers Midian

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Dero having a cry cause someone out-trolled him. Taste of your own medicine

Ya fucken sook.

There is a big difference with bagging sports teams & personally abusing someone on the internet.

I have no problem what soever with people taking the mickey out of me on here but when it gets personal that's simply below the belt & cowardly.

This is an internet forum not a place to take your anger out on others.


I dont have a problem with you constantly bagging John Terry, you have done it for years but dont get shitty at me when I was the one who reminded you that you would end up with egg on your face & he would have the last laugh.

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I'd like to know if the world decided to not have the Olympics 1 time, 1 time, and directed all that money towards actual needs how much better off countries would be ?
Another thing that annoys me is the buildings that get erected for almost solely for 2 weeks, only to lie relatively dormant after that. Why can't they "recycle" or manage with existing infrastructures ?
Just seems like so much wasteful money.

Thats a pretty defeatist attitude. You could say that about any large event. Events such as the olympics and the world cup have far more reaching benefits to local economies. I'd say (and I have no facts to back me up here) that the development of world class infrastructure has little impact on how much money you actually make.

At least with olympic venues grassroots and professional organisations can use world-class facilities. Most Sydney 2000 facilities are still used extensively. And im sure if Melbourne got the olympics they would "recycle" the MCG is the same capacity as 1956. If the world cup came to Australia, then yes, you would have a lot of useless rectangular infrastructure that would lay dormant in most states.

mate, half the world is in financial crisis, yet so much money gets poured into a 2 week event. Don't get me wrong i'm very much the sportsman. I just think in light of what needs propping up atm, funds could be better spent for 1 time only.
not defeatist at all.

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Cheers Midian







There is a big difference with bagging sports teams & personally abusing someone on the internet.

I have no problem what soever with people taking the mickey out of me on here but when it gets personal that's simply below the belt & cowardly.

This is an internet forum not a place to take your anger out on others.


I dont have a problem with you constantly bagging John Terry, you have done it for years but dont get shitty at me when I was the one who reminded you that you would end up with egg on your face & he would have the last laugh.

true leader dat guy. even has malouda holding shin pads in place.

Melbourne had the 2006 commonwealth games and did reuse all of our existing buildings. Those games decimated the construction industry because the government wanted the city to look nice so they put everything on hold.

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mate, half the world is in financial crisis, yet so much money gets poured into a 2 week event. Don't get me wrong i'm very much the sportsman. I just think in light of what needs propping up atm, funds could be better spent for 1 time only.
not defeatist at all.

In fairness to London, the games and budget were set/ awarded before the GFC. The award of the Games by the IOC is also dependent upon a legacy being left by the games. Whilst most of the Olympic Park site venues are going to be altered or sent to Rio, there will still be the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park where once stood an absolute shithole.

The Games also leave an intangible legacy, from what I can glean from the folks back home the positivity and urge to get up and do something is quite remarkable.

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I was the one who reminded you that you would end up with egg on your face & he would have the last laugh.

Yeah he really showed me, by not even playing in the final

Believe!

that trophy looks like a garbage bin

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animal welfare

Fuck that, lazy bastards should get a job.

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Originally Posted by hipswinger

I'd like to know if the world decided to not have the Olympics 1 time, 1 time, and directed all that money towards actual needs how much better off countries would be ?
Another thing that annoys me is the buildings that get erected for almost solely for 2 weeks, only to lie relatively dormant after that. Why can't they "recycle" or manage with existing infrastructures ?
Just seems like so much wasteful money.

England would be $16B better off. Picking on Olympics funding is yawnworthy, it's an obvious target over the continual money going down the gurgler in the same areas ppl never notice.

The British Olympic park and stadium is the most sustainable ever built. That's why London got the games amongst other reasons. And if our facilities are still used well enough out at Homebush, London's facilities should be too.

They build new venues when they're required, simple. If it isn't there and there's no alternative then what else? Standards need to met and so do crowd numbers. They build an Olympic park where venues are together for the obvious logistical reasons of keeping most of the Olympics in a central spot.

The simple answer is if you can't afford them don't bid for them - nobody forces you too. If you can then you do it properly and reap the benefits you're able to.

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In fairness to London, the games and budget were set/ awarded before the GFC. The award of the Games by the IOC is also dependent upon a legacy being left by the games. Whilst most of the Olympic Park site venues are going to be altered or sent to Rio, there will still be the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park where once stood an absolute shithole.

The Games also leave an intangible legacy, from what I can glean from the folks back home the positivity and urge to get up and do something is quite remarkable.

Yeah its more than just the games. Just the economic value as well is huge. London buisnesses would have got a pretty decent lift when the country is generally doing poorly atm

Imagine how awesome Rio is going to be for Sth Americans. That is going to be one awesome event and vibe at that olympics