[Jares]

Hi Guys,

I've always wanted to rent an empty floor of Riverside Centre or Waterfront Place for a weekend and put on a BYO party in the sky.

I'd imagine that the music could be played until the windows popped out, that you wouldn't disturb any neighbours as there aren't any and that people would stay to watch the sunrise over brisbane.

So from people who may no better, why might this not be able to happen ?

[rancho]

i wasn't aware that office buildings gave out weekend leases now.

[johnbiggs]

not only that, but the cost involved, would be to high. Not even rancho and I being there would make it worthy investment.

[Jares]

if you don't ask, you don't get

[Jares]

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Originally Posted by johnbiggs

not only that, but the cost involved, would be to high. Not even rancho and I being there would make it worthy investment.

you speak of costs ? what costs would be involved ?

Would you need indemnity insurance ?

[TAKEtheBLUEpill]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jares

you speak of costs ? what costs would be involved ?

Would you need indemnity insurance ?

I like the idea of partying in an area like you have mentioned, but honestly, you have not really thought this through have you?

[Jares]

^
Are you one of those people who doesn't read questions in exams then bitches that they got the answer wrong...?

I asked for input as to what is involved and why it may not be able to happen from people who may know what is involved in (legally) getting something off the ground that doesnt require a liquor licence but takes a cover charge.

So in answer to your question, I've thought it through as much as posting this thread and now I call on the wisdom of people who do similar things.

[rancho]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jares

^
Are you one of those people who doesn't read questions in exams then bitches that they got the answer wrong...?

I asked for input as to what is involved and why it may not be able to happen from people who may know what is involved in (legally) getting something off the ground that doesnt require a liquor licence but takes a cover charge.

So in answer to your question, I've thought it through as much as posting this thread and now I call on the wisdom of people who do similar things.

well im sure theres more legality involved when a cover is being charged.

so lets assume that for some reason these companies will give you a vacant floor of an office building for a party...

you will need x security guards per 100 people etc
im assuming liquor licensing will be involved because there will be alcohol (even though it's 'byo')
you will need to pay for all the damage people do to the premises
you will possibly have some requirement due to providing 'entertainment' aka music (not sure if qld laws are as strict as nsw in this regard)

man, theres a lot to think about, and a lot of cost.

although im guessing the hardest part is convincing them to let you use a commercial premises for a party

[RudeTed]

are you sure there is a vacant level in the riverside centre? i'm pretty sure that there is normally never any vacant office space anywhere in the city for obvious reasons. if there is vacant space in the riverside centre then i stand corrected

[TAKEtheBLUEpill]

Whoa turbo, didnt mean to startle you little fella.... easy there.

I like the idea, I really do, but I do think it's unlikely to get off the ground. But I would love for you to prove me wrong!

- Insurance. Even if you can find someone who will give it to you, good luck getting it at a price that's sustainable.
- The venue. Again, good luck. The sites you speak of are expensive, VERY expensive, and as previously said, I cant see anyone loaning it or otherwise for a couple of days only. Like I said, these site are expensive and they dont often sit around unattended without someone being attached to it or in the process of developing it. And if they do, they likely do not have your interests at heart and are probably unlikely to give you a break? If they do, will it have power? Water? Toilets?
- I know the Kana boys have done some similar stuff in the past, give them a yell, because I'm still curious as to how they pull it off, I can't help but feel legal liability will be very squarely pushed at them if someone was hurt at one of these parties, and that would be a shame, but perhaps a very real possibility? Law clearly isnt my specialty, but unless it is yours, I suggest you get some advice.
- The usual problems with these sorts of events and the costs involved generally come down to venue issues and money. (sound gear, artists, venue restrictions, enough people willing to give their time to help organise and promote etc)

This sort of thing would be nice if it could be organised reasonably easily, but unfortunately, they aren't.

[Cosmo Cater]

Assuming you could jump some of the logistical hurdles previously mentioned, you'd probably need public liability insurance. And you'd need to keep it quiet before the gig, because the tenants of the other floors would most likely not want a bunch of clubbers having after hours access to their building. Chances are they'd complain to the building management.

Also you may get those poor unfortunate souls who work for corporate tyrants (aka professional firms) and do happen to be in at work on a weekend. Complaints may flow from them too. You'd probably need to check cleaning/maintenance rosters so that the party doesn't get shut down by pest control fumigation or the Venezuelan cleaner doesn't pull the plug on the entire party in order to do the vacuuming while she signs along to Ricky Martin on her iPod.

I'm not a tech-spert, but wouldn't you also need three phase power to run a decent rig?

I'm sure most of these and the above-mentioned obstacles could still be overcome with patience, good negotiation skills and MONEY.

[puff puff]

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Originally Posted by RudeTed

are you sure there is a vacant level in the riverside centre? i'm pretty sure that there is normally never any vacant office space anywhere in the city for obvious reasons. if there is vacant space in the riverside centre then i stand corrected

this.

Secondly, most of these buildings have security that requires fobs to gain access after hours, very costly for many people for one night. Also, the property managers will probably charge you for extra security for the foyer area. Could be an expensive exercise.

[Jares]

i'd hope a velvet rope from the front doors to the elevator would be all that you require in terms of foyer security.
obviously this is a dream, but its good to hear peoples input,
i appreciate it.
is anyone aware of when public liability insurance is necessary ? what are the triggers ?
im pretty sure i've got it on my home contents insurance, but its not necessary to have contents insurance so therefore it wouldnt be a necessity to have this type of insurance for a private in home party, so maybe it wouldnt be necessary at this place ?
cosmo can you write binding indemnity waivers ?

[rancho]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jares

i'd hope a velvet rope from the front doors to the elevator would be all that you require in terms of foyer security.
obviously this is a dream, but its good to hear peoples input,
i appreciate it.
is anyone aware of when public liability insurance is necessary ? what are the triggers ?
im pretty sure i've got it on my home contents insurance, but its not necessary to have contents insurance so therefore it wouldnt be a necessity to have this type of insurance for a private in home party, so maybe it wouldnt be necessary at this place ?
cosmo can you write binding indemnity waivers ?

seriously dude, just walk away from it.

[TAKEtheBLUEpill]

Why would you have liability insurance on your home contents?

I spoke to my insurance broker the other day and he made it well clear that it is pretty much ALWAYS necessary if you are in any way dealing with the public in an effort to provide a service. I would say especially if you are advertising a party to be at the said venue. It could all be traced back to you, and you would be touched on the ass if something went wrong and it was your fault.

As for a binding indemnity. Im sure Cosmo would have a much better idea, but my understanding is that even if you have a well written one, you can still be sued if shit goes down, just not to the extent you would have been otherwise?

[johnbiggs]

Alot cheaper to buy a house on a hill and party/watch sunrise from there.

[benj-bam]

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Originally Posted by rancho

seriously dude, just walk away from it.

hahah +1

Seriously dude you have more chances of flapping your arms and flying. I know you came on here for constructive input but surely your common sense should prevail in this situation.

However, if money is no concern (tens of thousands of dollars +) it maybe slightly possible.

[RainbowBrite]

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnbiggs

Alot cheaper to buy a house on a hill and party/watch sunrise from there.

this

[seth111]

I deal with a few building managers in the city and you have almost no chance of getting this off the ground.

Firstly, no tenant in the building already who are paying thousands of dollars a week in rent would allow it, purely for security reasons, which also means the cost of hiring the floor for one weekend would be enormous.

Then there is the issue of damage which is what any building manager would be worried about.

You then have to get an insurance company to give you public liability insurance which i would expect would be very hard or very expensive after which if you do get you will have to obtain some sort of liquor lisence

In the regards to the 3 phase power situation though, every floor of every high rise in the city will have 3 phase power to it, which means you will also be charged for using said electricity at a rate set by the building manager.

As Benj-bam said, unless you have thousands of dollars and can sell ice to eskimo's you have no chance

[deXXy_Disaster]

there's a club in Berlin called Weekend that operates on a few floors of a high rise building. of course thats a permanent club though, but maybe you could contact ze germans to see how its done

[the_pezman]

cheaper and easier to just hire a floor at a hotel. better yet just get a room down at schoolies, everything and everyone is already there for you, you jus thave to join in

[TAKEtheBLUEpill]

Schoolies Pez?

No! No! No!!

[RudeTed]

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Originally Posted by deXXy_Disaster

there's a club in Berlin called Weekend that operates on a few floors of a high rise building. of course thats a permanent club though, but maybe you could contact ze germans to see how its done

I've been to one in Hong Kong that is about ten stories up. Such an awesome place to party, i wish there were more nightclubs on upper levels of buildings..

[lowkeyandnude]

^^^ Yeah, with the current low air fares, i think you would find it cheaper to fly to Paris for $1300, catch an easyjet flight to Berlin for $100 and go to Week-end instead. Its great being up there when the sun comes up and you see the city down below

[paradigmshift2012]

I can guarantee you will need liability insurance, to giv u an idea I work in a cafe that seats about sixty, of those sixty seats just eight are situated on the footpath outside the premises and for that my boss has liability insurance for up to 20 million in cover or so he tells me

[nesscat]

Nice thought, but inner city to hard.

The people to speak with are the people who arrange the doof’s! It’s all last minute notice and very underground.

You would need to be thinking – Old Warehouse or Private Farm

[benj-bam]

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradigmshift2012

I can guarantee you will need liability insurance, to giv u an idea I work in a cafe that seats about sixty, of those sixty seats just eight are situated on the footpath outside the premises and for that my boss has liability insurance for up to 20 million in cover or so he tells me

Your boss is full of shit.

[sockz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jares

^
Are you one of those people who doesn't read questions in exams then bitches that they got the answer wrong...?

I asked for input as to what is involved and why it may not be able to happen from people who may know what is involved in (legally) getting something off the ground that doesnt require a liquor licence but takes a cover charge.

So in answer to your question, I've thought it through as much as posting this thread and now I call on the wisdom of people who do similar things.

A little left field, but there is an empty space on Elizabeth street (Top Floor) which has hosted a few BYO parties of late. The space isn't too bad (get's mixed reviews) but there are some advantages- you get to do it BYO and you don't have to apply to 3am lockout or dress codes.

I'm sure there are other similar areas but it's the only one I know of. It won't have the illustrious address or great view of something on Eagle street though..

[sockz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Cater

I'm not a tech-spert, but wouldn't you also need three phase power to run a decent rig?

Not a neccessity for a sound system but lighting equipment is very power thirsty.

[Cosmo Cater]

I forgot to mention that one of the more significant obstacles of putting such an event on in Brisbane is that it will go unappreciated: half the party will turn up for a few minutes, really loose, then leave early to go to a kick-on that the other half of the party aren't welcome at

[Nardo]

ive been spending a lot of my professional life on cbd leasing matters for quite a while.

your issues:

public liability insurance. the building owner's policy wouldn't cover it. if there is a lease in place over the space and you were going to hire it then the lessee's (tenant) policy wouldnt cover it either. the categories of 'use' as defined in the policies are very defined and very limited.

you wouldnt have the cash to pay for that sort of insurance even if you could get it and in any case you wouldnt be able to get it even if you tried. if you thought that you would try to run it without insurance then forget it. the landlord or the lessee wouldnt be covered in hiring it to you, so they wouldnt.

despite what some idiot said already, the standard policy for public liability is $10-20 million. this is required by anyone renting space in these buildings, even on a temporary basis.

the a grade buildings in the city (riverside, waterfront, riparian etc) are pretty much completely occupied anyway, the vacancy rate in the city though for some of the older a grade, b and c grade is high at the moment and theres a few buildings with a massive amount of vacant space. think amp gold, or the new one on turbot street oppposite the dental hospital. plenty of vacancy there. but dont bother because they wont rent it to you anyway.

the only way that space is generally leased/rented is through a leasing agent and not direct from the building owner. most owners of office towers are listed companies, property trusts etc etc. private owners are less common. both types of owner dont need your pissy little amount of cash and they dont need the hassle. they want long term tenants doing multi milion dollar lease deals and they are very concerned about the profile ie reputation of the building.

on that count you havent got a chance either. the leasing agents are on the hunt for massive commissions for lease deals done and so they wont be interested in talking to you just to make a few spare bucks. they wouldnt embarrass themselves by even sugesting it to a building owner and they would have to.

there's plenty of other good reasons why this will never happen, but those are the main ones. dont bother.

try for venues that are considered 'entertainment' type venues already.

[grug72]

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Originally Posted by benj-bam

Your boss is full of shit.

Actually he probably isnt. My work covers a quite few chefs/cafes etc, that is a pretty standard amount.

[rancho]

Quote:

Originally Posted by grug72

Actually he probably isnt. My work covers a quite few chefs/cafes etc, that is a pretty standard amount.

yeah thats hella standard. for sole traders you're looking at a minimum of $5 million liability, small business would definitely be $10 million plus

[techsta_girl]

I just have one question in regards to this.


Where's my invite?

[TAKEtheBLUEpill]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardo

ive been spending a lot of my professional life on cbd leasing matters for quite a while.

your issues:

public liability insurance. the building owner's policy wouldn't cover it. if there is a lease in place over the space and you were going to hire it then the lessee's (tenant) policy wouldnt cover it either. the categories of 'use' as defined in the policies are very defined and very limited.

you wouldnt have the cash to pay for that sort of insurance even if you could get it and in any case you wouldnt be able to get it even if you tried. if you thought that you would try to run it without insurance then forget it. the landlord or the lessee wouldnt be covered in hiring it to you, so they wouldnt.

despite what some idiot said already, the standard policy for public liability is $10-20 million. this is required by anyone renting space in these buildings, even on a temporary basis.

the a grade buildings in the city (riverside, waterfront, riparian etc) are pretty much completely occupied anyway, the vacancy rate in the city though for some of the older a grade, b and c grade is high at the moment and theres a few buildings with a massive amount of vacant space. think amp gold, or the new one on turbot street oppposite the dental hospital. plenty of vacancy there. but dont bother because they wont rent it to you anyway.

the only way that space is generally leased/rented is through a leasing agent and not direct from the building owner. most owners of office towers are listed companies, property trusts etc etc. private owners are less common. both types of owner dont need your pissy little amount of cash and they dont need the hassle. they want long term tenants doing multi milion dollar lease deals and they are very concerned about the profile ie reputation of the building.

on that count you havent got a chance either. the leasing agents are on the hunt for massive commissions for lease deals done and so they wont be interested in talking to you just to make a few spare bucks. they wouldnt embarrass themselves by even sugesting it to a building owner and they would have to.

there's plenty of other good reasons why this will never happen, but those are the main ones. dont bother.

try for venues that are considered 'entertainment' type venues already.

This post needs to be in the "Brisbane has a lack of content" thread.

Nice.

We need to get together again, I have some stuff going on where your input would be invaluable I reckon!

Hope your well.

[mcdoofus]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Cater

I forgot to mention that one of the more significant obstacles of putting such an event on in Brisbane is that it will go unappreciated: half the party will turn up for a few minutes, really loose, then leave early to go to a kick-on that the other half of the party aren't welcome at

Hahaha too true

[djscitec]

Unless your dad is a multi billionaire or owns one of those buildings (then he'd already be a millionaire) this won't happen it'd be easier for you to buy a house elsewhere and do this at 50x less cost

[thursday]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nardo

ive been spending a lot of my professional life on cbd leasing matters for quite a while.

your issues:

public liability insurance. the building owner's policy wouldn't cover it. if there is a lease in place over the space and you were going to hire it then the lessee's (tenant) policy wouldnt cover it either. the categories of 'use' as defined in the policies are very defined and very limited.

you wouldnt have the cash to pay for that sort of insurance even if you could get it and in any case you wouldnt be able to get it even if you tried. if you thought that you would try to run it without insurance then forget it. the landlord or the lessee wouldnt be covered in hiring it to you, so they wouldnt.

despite what some idiot said already, the standard policy for public liability is $10-20 million. this is required by anyone renting space in these buildings, even on a temporary basis.

the a grade buildings in the city (riverside, waterfront, riparian etc) are pretty much completely occupied anyway, the vacancy rate in the city though for some of the older a grade, b and c grade is high at the moment and theres a few buildings with a massive amount of vacant space. think amp gold, or the new one on turbot street oppposite the dental hospital. plenty of vacancy there. but dont bother because they wont rent it to you anyway.

the only way that space is generally leased/rented is through a leasing agent and not direct from the building owner. most owners of office towers are listed companies, property trusts etc etc. private owners are less common. both types of owner dont need your pissy little amount of cash and they dont need the hassle. they want long term tenants doing multi milion dollar lease deals and they are very concerned about the profile ie reputation of the building.

on that count you havent got a chance either. the leasing agents are on the hunt for massive commissions for lease deals done and so they wont be interested in talking to you just to make a few spare bucks. they wouldnt embarrass themselves by even sugesting it to a building owner and they would have to.

there's plenty of other good reasons why this will never happen, but those are the main ones. dont bother.

try for venues that are considered 'entertainment' type venues already.

This is the best dream-killing post I've ever read. Awesome.

[waldorf]

As unrealistic as your idea might be, its good that you are thinking about doing something a little different. People in BNE certainly need to be exposed to more original creative and cultural experiences.
Take on something you think you can achieve, and then aim just a little higher each time so you challenge yourself.

Just do it!

[taylor williams]

A few years back I went to Club 11 in Amsterdam to see Redshape and that was a club in an office block (ive since heard its been knocked down). Its a brilliant idea for a venue however I have to agree with most of the posts up here that say it wouldnt work in Brisbane.

Even if you got over all the hurdles of insurance, venue hire, legal issues etc etc, your average "punter" in Brisbane isnt cultured enough to support/appreciate it. Most of them wont even walk the extra couple of hundred metres to go and hear probably the best DJ's in Brisbane at Barsoma so getting them to go to an office block in the City would be a struggle.

That kind of warehouse party style event only really appeals to music fans and I dont think Brisbane has enough of them to support it. Not unless your planning on booking Tiesto or someone like that.

[simonb]

Quote:

Originally Posted by waldorf

As unrealistic as your idea might be, its good that you are thinking about doing something a little different. People in BNE certainly need to be exposed to more original creative and cultural experiences.
Take on something you think you can achieve, and then aim just a little higher each time so you challenge yourself.

Just do it!

I second that.. this isn't such a far off idea
plenty of parties in buildings and squats in berlin, london, barcelona, etc..
Australia is shit with rules and regulations but there's still plenty of places for one off events legal or illegal if people are willing to take the risk
be it carparks, unrented spaces its definitely worth keeping a look out and ear to the ground for this sort of opportunity
just depends how you work it and yes they may get closed down but atleast you tried

i think a change of attitude and some secret plotting for something like this would be a great idea or atleast a start

[benj-bam]

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor williams

Even if you got over all the hurdles of insurance, venue hire, legal issues etc etc, your average "punter" in Brisbane isnt cultured enough to support/appreciate it. Most of them wont even walk the extra couple of hundred metres to go and hear probably the best DJ's in Brisbane at Barsoma so getting them to go to an office block in the City would be a struggle.

That kind of warehouse party style event only really appeals to music fans and I dont think Brisbane has enough of them to support it. Not unless your planning on booking Tiesto or someone like that.

I agree. From what i see from my mates is that they will support a relatively underground/newer international act but as far as making an effort to see people that you dont see plastered over posters, they have no interest. Like going to secret sessions and Kana a few weeks ago or making the odd trip to barsoma or step inn they wont have a bar of it. fuckers i hate them

[the_pezman]

roof top of 80 george st. has a HUGE outdoor setion, huge under cover section and a bar that gets used once every couple of weeks

[grug72]

^^ Your a bad man Mr Pez

[The_Signal]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cosmo Cater

I forgot to mention that one of the more significant obstacles of putting such an event on in Brisbane is that it will go unappreciated: half the party will turn up for a few minutes, really loose, then leave early to go to a kick-on that the other half of the party aren't welcome at

At which point mediocre 'local' DJ's will viciously fight it out for the space behind the decks, only to come to very suddent halt when that new tech-house track from the Beatport Top 10 for October comes on. Then the circle jerking ensues

[zouden]

For everyone saying that it's impossible due to insurance costs, security costs, power requirements - how do you think doofs work? I know most of them are completely under the radar (legal-wise) so they probably wouldn't have insurance, but the bigger, well-organised ones are certainly capable of setting up a party in a never-used venue and provide power, amenities, security, first aid, all while being licensed and insured. They usually lose money but that doesn't stop them coming back the next year!

That said, having a party in an "empty floor" of a CBD building is wishful thinking, especially if you hope to break even. The costs for the venue would be prohibitively expensive even if you found such a place.

[slackas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by waldorf

This looks fun

[Monkeymagic_82]

I was reading about the bars in Thailand and apparently due to the restrictive licensing laws that it's easier for bars to have licenses if part of a hotel. Hence there are many bars in skyscrapers.

Would this work in Bangkok?

[MrSnoop]

Your chances just went up!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busi...1021-h8y0.html

[Jares]

MrSnoop, good work, i read that this morning and was about to post the link.
I realise that B, C and D grade buildings might be available, but waterfront place already has those sails set up to stop the glass hitting people when we blow out the windows.
im going to go speak to tower management