[Noodstock]

Howdy Production Crews and DJ's

I've only recently started contributing pics to inthemix and love attending and covering your events for you!!!

However, the biggest disappointment for me is when I turn up to an event with either no lighting or not much lighting at all and the possibilites of me making your event look great become drastically reduced! (There's only so much I can do with a desk lamp, and believe me it's not much : )

From the many events I've attended it seems pretty clear to me that you would all love great shots of your event looking fantastic and your DJ's looking super cool! (Honestly, who doesn't love a bit of free publicity?)

The best way us photographers can do that for you is by having both sufficient lighting and of course some pretty lights and lasers thrown in for good measure : )

I'd much prefer to use natural lighting when in a club rather than a flash, as the atmosphere can be ruined in a photo that has been drowned out by a flash, not to mention it can get pretty annoying having someone flashing in your face time after time if you are playing a set.

If I've been so lucky as to be invited along to cover your event my commitment to you is that I will put in as much hard work, if not more, as you have with your lighting. If your set up looks the goods then I'm more than happy to spend my entire night in your event covering as much of it as possible, rather than just dropping in for a quick few happy snaps and moving on to the next club.

Anyway guys, just offering you a little feedback to help make things better for all of us invloved.

I commend you all on the efforts you put in for your events. Keep up the great work, look forward to seeing you or meeting you soon : )

[hatzornotahat]

A lot of people in clubs don't look so good when the lights come on.

[Noodstock]

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Originally Posted by hatzornotahat

A lot of people in clubs don't look so good when the lights come on.

I think you'll have a few women upset there if you think a lot of people look better in the dark People spend a lot of time grooming themselves before heading out and not everyone ends up messy by the end of the night as some of us drive home.

I'm not particulary interested in covering the intoxicated, they don't usually want a pic taken either... You'll notice most fan shots on inthemix are taken with flash and I don't think those people look bad at all.

Pretty lights and lasers doesn't mean turning the lights on, they just allow enough light to capture the atmosphere.

There's not much point of taking a photo of a DJ in the dark either, you might as well do it in their bedroom at home and enjoy your night out.

Appreciate the feedback though, thank you

[CircusMidget]

its about music not photos,
someone should ban cameras in clubs.
you get better visuals in the dark anyway

[deXXy_Disaster]

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Originally Posted by CircusMidget

its about music not photos,
someone should ban cameras in clubs.

some overseas clubs do ban cameras in their clubs. even mobile pics & vids. its all about teh undergroundishness

[reeditchaos]

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Originally Posted by CircusMidget

you get better visuals in the dark anyway

yes you do....

[Noodstock]

Quote:

Originally Posted by CircusMidget

its about music not photos,
someone should ban cameras in clubs.
you get better visuals in the dark anyway

I love these forums, you can't say anything without someone having a crack at you, no matter how polite you are being : )

Unfortunately my little circus midget, it's not all about the music and this is why inthemix ask people like myself to go out and cover these events.

Infact not only do inthemix ask me, but the event holders do aswell as this is the perfect way for them to promote their next event. The DJ's ask me also as this is a great way to promote their profile. And usually I won't photograph the fans unless someone comes up and specifically asks me if I can take their photo.

A paragraph about how good the place looked and how much fun everyone was having just doesn't put across the same message.

If you take a look at my work on here you'll notice I have got some great shots in dark spaces that have some coloured lights and lasers.

I know and work with a lot of crews and DJ's and am yet to come across an event that does not want publicity or photos taken.

Unfortunately Brisbane doesn't have the whole undergound thing happening yet... I could show you plenty of photos of empty events with no one at them, because they had no previous publicity.

Here's simple solution for you lads...if you hold events don't promote them on inthemix and no one will turn up to photograph your event.

If you don't hold events, then what are you doing commenting on something that is completely irrelevant to you?

[Villephant]

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Unfortunately Brisbane doesn't have the whole undergound thing happening yet... I could show you plenty of photos of empty events with no one at them, because they had no previous publicity.

that is about as underground as you can get...

[fuziwuzi]

where's pez when u need him

[Villephant]

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Originally Posted by fuziwuzi

where's pez when u need him

taking photos???

[fuziwuzi]

in the dark, with a flash?

[justletgo]

a good photographer can make the best out of any situation sure a little light is great but you should be able to adapt to any club/event you attend as a photographer.

I would be carefull telling promotors how to set up their events. if you keep going you may soon find yourself not welcome at anyones event... just a thought

[MuntedRaver]

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Originally Posted by justletgo

a good photographer can make the best out of any situation sure a little light is great but you should be able to adapt to any club/event you attend as a photographer.

I would be carefull telling promotors how to set up their events. if you keep going you may soon find yourself not welcome at anyones event... just a thought

x1000

[macc4]

If you just get a better camera and leave the flash at home then there wont be any problems

[Sholto]

Well Saturday Sessions is in a rooftop beer garden during the day, never seen you there....

[jazzcat]

re the flash issues, i thought most of the event photographers use a flash to bounce light off the roof so it doesn't have that nasty effect of blasting your subject and killing the atmosphere

[Sholto]

Yeh I get the impression that most of the photographers use those frosted white plastic caps as well to take the harshness off the light as well as not pointing it directly in your victims face

[justletgo]

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Originally Posted by Sholto

Yeh I get the impression that most of the photographers use those frosted white plastic caps as well to take the harshness off the light as well as not pointing it directly in your victims face

a Difuser... its a awesome bit of kit and at only $10 from the good ol' ebay any photographer can purchase one and it will help stop that dreaded flash burn. but im sure noodstock knows that already.

[Villephant]

most lights work best when there is no light.. .. ..
it is the reason your dashboard lights will dim when you turn the outside lights on in the car...
they think it is night time, so adjust the lights accordingly...

[Ruthykins]

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Originally Posted by fuziwuzi

where's pez when u need him

we've got to combine our magic rings if we want to summon him!

to the OP: I don't even know where to start. Agree with JLG, maybe next time think before you post!

[Villephant]

thinking before you post is not the ITM way..

[housengarden]

don't mess about..

http://www.berghain.de

[rancho]

itm social pics. serious business.

[fuziwuzi]

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Originally Posted by Ruthykins

we've got to combine our magic rings if we want to summon him!

you've tried this before ruth, you're not getting anywhere near my magic ring!!

[justletgo]

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Originally Posted by rancho

itm social pics. serious business.

WINNER !!!!

[sockz]

Do you have a collection of cool production-related shots? I like checking out what other crews are doing and have found good photos to be good advertising in the past.

Probably won't get much love on here. Too many uggos.

[Ruthykins]

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Originally Posted by fuziwuzi

you've tried this before ruth, you're not getting anywhere near my magic ring!!

hey! it was an honest mistake that I thought we'd never talk about again

[Dave wratH]

Or just book someone (like me) to do visuals, and do away with the need for any lighting

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[hatzornotahat]

As long as I never get my photo taken, and it stays dark in the clubs then I think everyone will be happy.

[Noodstock]

Quote:

Originally Posted by justletgo

a good photographer can make the best out of any situation sure a little light is great but you should be able to adapt to any club/event you attend as a photographer.

I would be carefull telling promotors how to set up their events. if you keep going you may soon find yourself not welcome at anyones event... just a thought

I know a lot of production crews and they personally invite me along because not only do they like my work but they know I work my ass off for them for free!

I started out doing this to help my mates and was approached by inthemix to contribute for them.

I'm not sure I've been rude or disrespectful, but rather just offering a little advise to make the experience better of everyone.

Not everyone can afford expensive equipment when they are starting out unfortunately...

Great to see your comments everyone, appreciate your support...thanks

[fuziwuzi]

yeah i have to agree your work is awesome.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/photos29/091003-Club320

[Noodstock]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave wratH

Or just book someone (like me) to do visuals, and do away with the need for any lighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aYPg71_oY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hglxcyjRVA0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNS__dO9h2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c62pLqmQRYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-NoUYrU_iw

Now we're talking!!! We need more people like you out there visualing it up!

Awesome work buddy, no doubt we'll be in touch sometime in the near future

[Noodstock]

Quote:

Originally Posted by sockz

Do you have a collection of cool production-related shots? I like checking out what other crews are doing and have found good photos to be good advertising in the past.

Probably won't get much love on here. Too many uggos.

You are sooooo right, there's very little love on here whatsoever!!!

Yeah I have bunches of shots, I do work outside the clubs for DJ's and Production Crews.

Actually I just did one on Saturday with the Let's Get Minimal lads in an old Landcruiser, we kicked the windscreen out and put a smoke machine in the back.... it was really cool!

[Noodstock]

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Originally Posted by fuziwuzi

does lexy know you're telling promoter how to host you better, instead of being professional and figuring another way around the issue. the music is the ain point, and u have to accomodate yourself to map around that. and as i said get a flash. promoters don't give two shits about the photogs, but they wilbe polite. they won't adjust the lighting for photos, because the 30mins you are there taking photos is not the reason they created an event :/

I only attend events I'm invited to, so I will usually spend 3,4 or even 5 hours at an event and get around 500 shots.

Promoters do give a shit about the photos that get taken at the events and that is why I continue to get invited to cover these events.

They do adjust lighting for me too so I must be a very lucky boy. Infact a couple of well known DJ's actually adjusted the lighting for me Saturday night, God bless them

[Noodstock]

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Originally Posted by Sholto

Well Saturday Sessions is in a rooftop beer garden during the day, never seen you there....

That's because you've never invited me along Mr Sholto

I don't like invading peoples space without their permission first...

[macc4]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodstock

I only attend events I'm invited to, so I will usually spend 3,4 or even 5 hours at an event and get around 500 shots.

I'm happy for you, and imma let you finish, but pezman has the best attendance of all time

[hatzornotahat]

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Originally Posted by Noodstock

I don't like invading peoples space without their permission first...

Lucky you created your own thread then.

[fuziwuzi]

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Originally Posted by Noodstock

That's because you've never invited me along Mr Sholto

I don't like invading peoples space without their permission first...

ok, so are you an ITMer photgrapher, or just some random?

if you are a itm photgrapher, lexy will book you, and her boy could probably give you advice for not taking shit photos and annoying the promoters.

you really don't get stuff do you.

all the itmer photoegrahers have a high level or professional, and can handle situations without making a fuss :/ how many times have i heard about pez gettng crushed in teh line of duty, and he never started a thread about it :/

cup of cement and all.

[rancho]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodstock

Not everyone can afford expensive equipment when they are starting out unfortunately...

not everyone can afford to fork out for additional lighting. i dont really feel like paying an extra $5 on the door so i can have pretty lights.

[Lady Lex]

Rancho is spot on

Quote:

Originally Posted by justletgo

a good photographer can make the best out of any situation sure a little light is great but you should be able to adapt to any club/event you attend as a photographer.

I would be carefull telling promotors how to set up their events. if you keep going you may soon find yourself not welcome at anyones event... just a thought

and so is this.




And Im very disappointed - because forums is not the place to "highlight" this issue. Face to face to the promoter is




BTW - I would like to reiterate that ALL contents within the posts of this thread by Noodstock is of his own opinion only and none of anyone else from ITM or the contributing team. Meanwhile Noodstock, if you would care to continue in a more positive and constructive approach with this issue - please do so by email with me. I understand where you are coming from - but there are more effective ways to achieve this

[the_pezman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruthykins

we've got to combine our magic rings if we want to summon him!

to the OP: I don't even know where to start. Agree with JLG, maybe next time think before you post!

Just need to need to “make a call” ruthy



^^poor lighting imo

I tried, I really did, but I just cant resist “having a crack” at someone on the innanets

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noodstock

I think you'll have a few women upset there if you think a lot of people look better in the dark People spend a lot of time grooming themselves before heading out and not everyone ends up messy by the end of the night as some of us drive home.

I'm not particulary interested in covering the intoxicated, they don't usually want a pic taken either... You'll notice most fan shots on inthemix are taken with flash and I don't think those people look bad at all.

Pretty lights and lasers doesn't mean turning the lights on, they just allow enough light to capture the atmosphere.

There's not much point of taking a photo of a DJ in the dark either, you might as well do it in their bedroom at home and enjoy your night out.

Appreciate the feedback though, thank you

1. quite the opposite, the “mood” lighting helps hide their conceived imperfections. b) but the majority of ppl do get messy, at the same time doesn’t mean they don’t want their photo taken or will look bad if they did. Its also your job to work with what you got
2. quite the opposite again, the ones with a few jagers under their belt are always the first ones to ask/yell/punch/kick/throw something to get their photo taken
3. not every club is a rave or some balls trippin bush doof. Are you asking clubs like Alhambra to throw in some fireradioballlazermegawatt laser and some sick strobes so the cocktail sipping lush house lovers can cut sick on the dancefloor? I don’t think so. Atmosphere is relative to the club. Its also relative to the club/promoters budget and margins. Which is pretty much THE biggest point you’ve over looked in you rather selfish request. Also by your theory, places like rockaz should have the best events and photogs should be jumping at the chance to take photos there cos they have lots of lasers and lights right? :S
4. djs play in dark clubs. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Noodstock

I love these forums, you can't say anything without someone having a crack at you, no matter how polite you are being : )

Unfortunately my little circus midget, it's not all about the music and this is why inthemix ask people like myself to go out and cover these events.

Infact not only do inthemix ask me, but the event holders do aswell as this is the perfect way for them to promote their next event. The DJ's ask me also as this is a great way to promote their profile. And usually I won't photograph the fans unless someone comes up and specifically asks me if I can take their photo.

A paragraph about how good the place looked and how much fun everyone was having just doesn't put across the same message.

If you take a look at my work on here you'll notice I have got some great shots in dark spaces that have some coloured lights and lasers.

I know and work with a lot of crews and DJ's and am yet to come across an event that does not want publicity or photos taken.

Unfortunately Brisbane doesn't have the whole undergound thing happening yet... I could show you plenty of photos of empty events with no one at them, because they had no previous publicity.

Here's simple solution for you lads...if you hold events don't promote them on inthemix and no one will turn up to photograph your event.

If you don't hold events, then what are you doing commenting on something that is completely irrelevant to you?

1. what if theyre polite about making a crack at you? youre an idiot, please thank you
2. funnily enough, music events are fundamentally about the music. Whether other factors like profit etc play more or less of a role is purely up to the promoter/club. But I can tell you now, social photos from the event are a small bonus, better if theyre on itm but no ones going to go to an event based on the photos alone. Well, unless the event is burning man.
3. a) see previous b) djs will steal photos regardless (don’t think I don’t know who you are :p ) if theyre good or bad since they cant exactly take it themselves. c) this is a very important point: if youre not asking ppl to take their photo, then you arent doing your job as an itm contributor and which is probably why you are focusing more on lights than the actual content you are uploading.
4. of course not (even tho theres plenty of events/artists that are VERY selective with who takes photos at their events (prolly the ones that don’t whinge about lighting ;p ) tho no event anywhere is going to set their lighting up just so one photog is happy.
5. a) bne has plenty of underground gigs, clearly you havent been to them to know. B) I cant remember the last time I check previous publicity on an event before deciding whether to go or not. oh that’s right cos it was NEVER.
6. as much as I like to think so, itm is not the be all to end all for social photos and believe it or not, events were held in a time when there were no such thing as social photos and those events did just fine
7. ppl attend events. This is a public forum. Pretty simple really.



In saying that, I have my peeves and have had good whinges about it, if its small suggestion that they can easily fix like backlighting/lighting the dj booth in the moonbar then theres no harm in asking but trying to get them to tailor their lights so YOU can take a couple slightly better shots is asking a bit much imo

In summary, youre missing the point of the itm galleries, theyre not just there to help promote events, theyre to help generate traffic to the site. This is done by ppl wanting to see themselves or other ppl that went (which is where youre dropping the ball when you wait for the fish to jump in your boat) so trust me when I say, the vast majority of traffic doesn’t want to see slightly better lighting in a corner of a room, or a random fixture, or a flower. They want to seem themselves “havin it” or the chick with the bangin rack. Sad but true, its not an art gallery, you’re there to cover an event, if its dark and dindgy then that’s what you cover. If you don’t like poorly lit venues then don’t ask/accept to cover them.


Rancho is right, end of the day its just social shots, not the cover of national geographic. Do you think those photogs complain about how the African savannah plains were poorly lit or do you think they dip into their photog knowledge and work out ways around it?


My tip - If you think theres not enough light then add it. think about it.

[El Kranky]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave wratH

Or just book someone (like me) to do visuals, and do away with the need for any lighting

Agreed! Your visuals were awesome Dave. More please!

[Lady Lex]

BTW... since a few peeps are jumping on the bandwagon....


whispers that a Melbourne lighting company is coming to Brisbane ^^

vereee interesting

[Lady Lex]

I'm looking at the funny side (no poking fun or being derogatory to anyone) - but this is a first for me!

[fuziwuzi]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lex

BTW... since a few peeps are jumping on the bandwagon....


whispers that a Melbourne lighting company is coming to Brisbane ^^

Ballz Fire Lazer?

[Noodstock]

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuziwuzi

yeah i have to agree your work is awesome.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/photos29/091003-Club320

Thank you, really appreciate your compliment, I'm only trying to make this a better experience for everyone involved

[sockz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lex

whispers that a Melbourne lighting company is coming to Brisbane ^^

vereee interesting

Bytecraft Entertainment?

[Lady Lex]

it continues to be whispers......



Undoubtedly Noodstock is great at his work - especially the Secret Sessions galleries!



Sounds like an ITM Photography Workshop is gonna have to happen huh?

[Noodstock]

Brisbane is such a lovely little town isn't it...so full of friendly, helpful people who are paranoid that everyone is out to get them : )

My apologies for trying to make your lives a little more pleasant...hahahaha

[d_appleseed]

Quote:

Originally Posted by rancho

not everyone can afford to fork out for additional lighting. i dont really feel like paying an extra $5 on the door so i can have pretty lights.

This. Unless the photographer or ITM are willing to hire the lighting for the night, I'll do as much as I can to fit in my budget & still break even.