Tech house...or should I say deep house?

kMoe · 02-Nov-09, 04:51pm

okay, so I have been browsin' around and got to listen to some tracks that are termed tech house. I a big fan of tech house and the really good tech house tracks sound a lot like deep house...now that got me thinking...

...what makes a track a tech house track and what makes it a deep house track, I really wanna know the difference.

grander · 02-Nov-09, 05:22pm

just listen to music ... if you like it... play it.

johnjay · 02-Nov-09, 05:29pm

music like life must be lived by feeling not by rule.

defected819 · 02-Nov-09, 06:18pm

What about deep tech?

OOOooh the mind boggles!

Spicy · 02-Nov-09, 07:54pm

haha!

as long as it has a flute sample.

OllieBrooke · 02-Nov-09, 09:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kMoe

music like life must be lived by feeling not by rule.

- you said it...

jabbajaws · 03-Nov-09, 07:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjay

music like life must be lived by feeling not by rule.

Wow.

Did someone slip something extra into your coffee this morning? A little too deep for me at this hour.

kMoe · 03-Nov-09, 08:09am

hehehe! was just trying to get a lil technical. So had someone else without my sig posted this thread what would you have all said?

pomrocks · 03-Nov-09, 09:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grander

just listen to music ... if you like it... play it.

it's all house

GeeKay · 04-Nov-09, 03:04pm

I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean?

Just like Pomrocks said "its all house"....

Spicy · 04-Nov-09, 03:26pm

well it's fine and dandy to just put it all under the one house banner, but surely there will come a time where you'd want to differentiate between different styles/sounds.

so there!

walkdogz · 04-Nov-09, 04:33pm

I agree that just play what you think sounds good. Esp with a lot of the crossover between deep & tech house styles recently, a good set will have bits of both imo.

But at the same time, to try best give an answer to the OP which is in no way a hard and fast rule, deep house will usually have a bit more focus on deep warm pads and the groove, floaty synth stabs, soulful african american vocal samples. with techhouse being a bit more rhythmic and percussive and just generally a bit harder, esp in the kick.

edit: oh and tech house has all those ear splitting spanish vocal samples now.

liin · 04-Nov-09, 05:22pm

i always thought that deep house requires rhodes to earn the title of 'deep' house ...

defected819 · 04-Nov-09, 06:00pm

Roads go everywhere!

liin · 05-Nov-09, 04:19am

so deep house goes everywhere???

im confused ...

pomrocks · 05-Nov-09, 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkdogz

. with techhouse being a bit more rhythmic and percussive and just generally a bit harder, esp in the kick.

edit: oh and tech house has all those ear splitting spanish vocal samples now.

the worst tech house has the percussion & latin vocal...fu*king hate this

shit tech house = this;

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this on the other hand is good tech house imo

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good deep house imo;

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Aftertouch · 05-Nov-09, 09:04am

dont think just feel

chimby · 05-Nov-09, 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by pomrocks

the worst tech house has the percussion & latin vocal...fu*king hate this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3KPl6FRrA

That's tribal house.

It's also one of the best tunes of the year for me.

Aftertouch · 05-Nov-09, 11:21am

Pretty tribal , love a bit of latin influence !

shapazz · 05-Nov-09, 11:54am

make a new genre and call it that!

daysofourlives · 05-Nov-09, 11:55am

Proper tech-house

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zizou · 05-Nov-09, 03:53pm

La Mezcla is a very good track.

PerthNewbie · 05-Nov-09, 03:55pm

Its Our House Music....

Ben Royal · 06-Nov-09, 01:03pm

LOL at La Mezcla - its tech house more than tribal house - those four panpipe notes are the start of 'Frere Jacques'! I always think of that when I hear La Mezcla

I think a simple way of describing the difference between deep and tech is that tech usually has a much more complicated (and upbeat) drum beat - a lot more 'other drum/percussion' in between the kick drum on each beat.

truba · 07-Nov-09, 01:16pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7s3ebgWlqU

quantum8 · 08-Nov-09, 04:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeKay

I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean?

Just like Pomrocks said "its all house"....

they're not exactly genres, but rather descriptions! my guess on upfront is anything new...so it could be any genre really

ferretrock · 08-Nov-09, 04:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeKay

I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean?

Just like Pomrocks said "its all house"....

The idea of 'upfront house' is hardly new, nor difficult to understand.
It relates to the music being 'up front' - you may know it as 'peaktime house', or (usually) cheese.

Expect to hear overcompressed drums, some vocals and run-of-the-mill chord progressions.

Spicy · 09-Nov-09, 10:25am

i thought upfront is the same as 'fresh' or 'new' ?? like what quantum 8 said?

i remember a show on the radio ages ago called 'upfront selection' with sean quinn and kasey taylor (back in the days when i was too young to club hehe), and it was upfront proggy stuff, all the newest greatest latest in prog. that show was fucking good, and so was prog. anyway that's where i learned from, but could be wong.

or it could mean 'honest'. honest house anyone? LOL

Aftertouch · 09-Nov-09, 10:53am

yes i think your on the money spicy

Aftertouch · 09-Nov-09, 10:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben Royal

LOL at La Mezcla - its tech house more than tribal house - those four panpipe notes are the start of 'Frere Jacques'! I always think of that when I hear La Mezcla

I think a simple way of describing the difference between deep and tech is that tech usually has a much more complicated (and upbeat) drum beat - a lot more 'other drum/percussion' in between the kick drum on each beat.

latin tribal tech house , there ya go.

quantum8 · 09-Nov-09, 11:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy

or it could mean 'honest'. honest house anyone? LOL

we all need more honest music!

muzza house anyone?

GeeKay · 09-Nov-09, 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ferretrock

The idea of 'upfront house' is hardly new, nor difficult to understand.
It relates to the music being 'up front' - you may know it as 'peaktime house', or (usually) cheese.

Expect to hear overcompressed drums, some vocals and run-of-the-mill chord progressions.

Ok if you say its easy to understand, how does "upfront" describe the sound? Deep is obviously deep. Afro is african, soulful has a soul element etc etc....

What you just said does very little to describe what up front is? You just said i may know it as peak time.. but I never heard peak time refered to as upfront.

Anyways....

liin · 09-Nov-09, 01:02pm

its whats upfront that counts!

ferretrock · 09-Nov-09, 06:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeeKay

What you just said does very little to describe what up front is? You just said i may know it as peak time.. but I never heard peak time refered to as upfront.

Anyways....

Well maybe it doesn't to you, but I understand the way that compression works. The way that these records are mixed and mastered makes all the percussion (in fact, most of the elements of the song) sound up-front.
Prog is, by and large, similar. Always up-front kick and snare.

lavelle72 · 10-Nov-09, 11:39am

Deep:

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Tech:

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seanious · 10-Nov-09, 12:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grander

just listen to music ... if you like it... play it.

word, post of the year

larrisajones · 10-Nov-09, 03:33pm

Is this just another one of those "lets define a genre" threads?

CloudTwo · 10-Nov-09, 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spicy

i thought upfront is the same as 'fresh' or 'new' ?? like what quantum 8 said?

I agree with Ferretrock, I always took it to mean cheesier big-room stuff. Up Front as in not hiding anything interesting and not very deep, what you hear is what you get

onpoint · 10-Nov-09, 05:04pm

I have never heard the term upfront house...
It's funny though we are calling "big room" upfront, prog "upfront", where does the line stop, upfront prog with a big room bounce sound, mashed with some deeper tech rhythms...etc etc.
It is what it is lol.

Spicy · 10-Nov-09, 05:45pm

hehe you could be right cloudtwo.. but what about Traxsource Upfront Pressure list for example? those tunes aren't all 'big banging' sounds, but just the latest releases that traxsource think are exceptional.

kMoe · 10-Nov-09, 07:11pm

well ive always associated upfront and peaktime together, ive always thought they were one and the same thing. Jus like big room, there's a lot of grey area with these things.

quantum8 · 10-Nov-09, 07:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CloudTwo

I agree with Ferretrock, I always took it to mean cheesier big-room stuff. Up Front as in not hiding anything interesting and not very deep, what you hear is what you get

hmm prolly can be either by the sounds!

we have a local dnb crew that advertised upfront dnb vibes, but they didn't go for "tear out tech" stuff either

Spicy · 11-Nov-09, 10:28am

lol! welp, either way i dare say i love a good stroke of the chin, and this thread certainly provided a lot of it

kMoe · 11-Nov-09, 03:05pm

chin stroking is good

terrain · 12-Nov-09, 01:50pm

tech house surely is a techno/house crossover that would normally be based around very short repetitive loops with fairly aggressive beats and deep house is just that, a feeling of deep qualities such as moody basslines and the like

02-Nov-09, 04:51pm	#1
kMoe Registered User Member Since: Sep 2009 MemberID: 205419 Location: SA, AU Posts: 40	Tech house...or should I say deep house? okay, so I have been browsin' around and got to listen to some tracks that are termed tech house. I a big fan of tech house and the really good tech house tracks sound a lot like deep house...now that got me thinking... ...what makes a track a tech house track and what makes it a deep house track, I really wanna know the difference. __________________ kMoe - First Decade Of The Millenia music like life must be lived by feeling not by rule.

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03-Nov-09, 08:09am	#8
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GeeKay Registered User Member Since: Nov 2007 MemberID: 149995 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 169	I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean? Just like Pomrocks said "its all house"....
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Spicy Unregistered User Member Since: Dec 2007 MemberID: 150975 Location: Vag, HU Posts: 5,170	well it's fine and dandy to just put it all under the one house banner, but surely there will come a time where you'd want to differentiate between different styles/sounds. so there! __________________ x - o + music is the product of the highest human intelligence, and of the best senses, the listening senses and of imagination and intuition -- karlheinz stockhausen
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walkdogz Registered User Member Since: Mar 2008 MemberID: 162787 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 2,310	I agree that just play what you think sounds good. Esp with a lot of the crossover between deep & tech house styles recently, a good set will have bits of both imo. But at the same time, to try best give an answer to the OP which is in no way a hard and fast rule, deep house will usually have a bit more focus on deep warm pads and the groove, floaty synth stabs, soulful african american vocal samples. with techhouse being a bit more rhythmic and percussive and just generally a bit harder, esp in the kick. edit: oh and tech house has all those ear splitting spanish vocal samples now. __________________ Sydney Underground Podcast This week featuring Dave Stuart

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liin Registered User Member Since: Sep 2007 MemberID: 143170 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 104	i always thought that deep house requires rhodes to earn the title of 'deep' house ...

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05-Nov-09, 04:19am	#15
liin Registered User Member Since: Sep 2007 MemberID: 143170 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 104	so deep house goes everywhere??? im confused ...

05-Nov-09, 09:04am	#17
Aftertouch Registered User Member Since: Sep 2008 MemberID: 177214 Location: VIC, AU Posts: 363	dont think just feel

05-Nov-09, 09:42am	#18
chimby Registered User Member Since: Jan 2009 MemberID: 187206 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 7,180	Quote: Originally Posted by pomrocks the worst tech house has the percussion & latin vocal...fu*king hate this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3KPl6FRrA That's tribal house. It's also one of the best tunes of the year for me. __________________ Mediafire library of assorted DJ Mixes and live recordings

05-Nov-09, 11:21am	#19
Aftertouch Registered User Member Since: Sep 2008 MemberID: 177214 Location: VIC, AU Posts: 363	Pretty tribal , love a bit of latin influence !

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Ben Royal Registered User Member Since: Jan 2008 MemberID: 155252 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,370	LOL at La Mezcla - its tech house more than tribal house - those four panpipe notes are the start of 'Frere Jacques'! I always think of that when I hear La Mezcla I think a simple way of describing the difference between deep and tech is that tech usually has a much more complicated (and upbeat) drum beat - a lot more 'other drum/percussion' in between the kick drum on each beat. __________________ DOWNLOAD September 09 Tech-House Promo Mix http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G82E4L6L

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08-Nov-09, 04:17pm	#26
quantum8 stinky chicken says 'meh' Member Since: Sep 2004 MemberID: 46808 Location: seeking wisdom from obnoticus Posts: 4,069	Quote: Originally Posted by GeeKay I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean? Just like Pomrocks said "its all house".... they're not exactly genres, but rather descriptions! my guess on upfront is anything new...so it could be any genre really __________________ Catch me at: Chalk, 6th, 13th & 20th Feb Delicious @ Chalk, 26th Feb Mixes: Percussionism - Sunday Fling

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ferretrock speaker whore Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86484 Location: playing music FOR THE HEADS Posts: 9,059	Quote: Originally Posted by GeeKay I hate these stupid sub-genres. Theres about 100 types of house going around at the moment. One I cant understand is "upfront house"? What does that mean? Just like Pomrocks said "its all house".... The idea of 'upfront house' is hardly new, nor difficult to understand. It relates to the music being 'up front' - you may know it as 'peaktime house', or (usually) cheese. Expect to hear overcompressed drums, some vocals and run-of-the-mill chord progressions. __________________ LISTEN TO For the Heads vol. 1
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Spicy Unregistered User Member Since: Dec 2007 MemberID: 150975 Location: Vag, HU Posts: 5,170	i thought upfront is the same as 'fresh' or 'new' ?? like what quantum 8 said? i remember a show on the radio ages ago called 'upfront selection' with sean quinn and kasey taylor (back in the days when i was too young to club hehe), and it was upfront proggy stuff, all the newest greatest latest in prog. that show was fucking good, and so was prog. anyway that's where i learned from, but could be wong. or it could mean 'honest'. honest house anyone? LOL __________________ x - o + music is the product of the highest human intelligence, and of the best senses, the listening senses and of imagination and intuition -- karlheinz stockhausen
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09-Nov-09, 10:53am	#29
Aftertouch Registered User Member Since: Sep 2008 MemberID: 177214 Location: VIC, AU Posts: 363	yes i think your on the money spicy

09-Nov-09, 10:54am	#30
Aftertouch Registered User Member Since: Sep 2008 MemberID: 177214 Location: VIC, AU Posts: 363	Quote: Originally Posted by Ben Royal LOL at La Mezcla - its tech house more than tribal house - those four panpipe notes are the start of 'Frere Jacques'! I always think of that when I hear La Mezcla I think a simple way of describing the difference between deep and tech is that tech usually has a much more complicated (and upbeat) drum beat - a lot more 'other drum/percussion' in between the kick drum on each beat. latin tribal tech house , there ya go.

09-Nov-09, 11:45am	#31
quantum8 stinky chicken says 'meh' Member Since: Sep 2004 MemberID: 46808 Location: seeking wisdom from obnoticus Posts: 4,069	Quote: Originally Posted by Spicy or it could mean 'honest'. honest house anyone? LOL we all need more honest music! muzza house anyone? __________________ Catch me at: Chalk, 6th, 13th & 20th Feb Delicious @ Chalk, 26th Feb Mixes: Percussionism - Sunday Fling

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GeeKay Registered User Member Since: Nov 2007 MemberID: 149995 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 169	Quote: Originally Posted by ferretrock The idea of 'upfront house' is hardly new, nor difficult to understand. It relates to the music being 'up front' - you may know it as 'peaktime house', or (usually) cheese. Expect to hear overcompressed drums, some vocals and run-of-the-mill chord progressions. Ok if you say its easy to understand, how does "upfront" describe the sound? Deep is obviously deep. Afro is african, soulful has a soul element etc etc.... What you just said does very little to describe what up front is? You just said i may know it as peak time.. but I never heard peak time refered to as upfront. Anyways....
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09-Nov-09, 01:02pm	#33
liin Registered User Member Since: Sep 2007 MemberID: 143170 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 104	its whats upfront that counts!

09-Nov-09, 06:46pm	#34
ferretrock speaker whore Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86484 Location: playing music FOR THE HEADS Posts: 9,059	Quote: Originally Posted by GeeKay What you just said does very little to describe what up front is? You just said i may know it as peak time.. but I never heard peak time refered to as upfront. Anyways.... Well maybe it doesn't to you, but I understand the way that compression works. The way that these records are mixed and mastered makes all the percussion (in fact, most of the elements of the song) sound up-front. Prog is, by and large, similar. Always up-front kick and snare. __________________ LISTEN TO For the Heads vol. 1
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10-Nov-09, 03:33pm	#37
larrisajones eh Member Since: Jun 2008 MemberID: 167611 Location: still here Posts: 4,067	Is this just another one of those "lets define a genre" threads?

10-Nov-09, 03:41pm	#38
CloudTwo Registered User Member Since: Jul 2007 MemberID: 133449 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 267	Quote: Originally Posted by Spicy i thought upfront is the same as 'fresh' or 'new' ?? like what quantum 8 said? I agree with Ferretrock, I always took it to mean cheesier big-room stuff. Up Front as in not hiding anything interesting and not very deep, what you hear is what you get