Upcoming Federal Election

sydney3000 · 27-Nov-09, 11:34am

Which Liberal will be leading the Coalition to the next federal election?

Fangoriously · 27-Nov-09, 11:36am

King O'Malley

esoteric31 · 27-Nov-09, 11:38am

A Dead Kennedy. So very Liberal, so very dead.

fresh555 · 27-Nov-09, 11:38am

Wilson Tuckey FTW!!!

The mad uncle of the Liberal Party...

silverspoon · 27-Nov-09, 12:08pm

Alan Cadman.

trist · 27-Nov-09, 12:15pm

Ironbar! Ironbar! Ironbar!

Spitchen · 27-Nov-09, 12:18pm

nick_t · 27-Nov-09, 05:09pm

Malcolm should lead them in, it's too close to change leadership. Plan to loose, plan to build off it.

Bracko · 28-Nov-09, 10:38am

the only person who has a snowflake in hell's chance of winning is hockey.

i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever...

dbb618 · 28-Nov-09, 10:39am

Godwin Grech, according to his twitter, has thrown his support behind "his man" Joe Hockey.

Whatever that means.

dave1986 · 28-Nov-09, 11:14am

I think Hockey will wait until they lose the next election - and then start again.

He's a likeable guy and I think most of the electorate believe he's an honest and decent minded bloke. He will have to start showing some leadership and grit at that point tho.

dbb618 · 28-Nov-09, 11:17am

Hockey is a paid mouthpiece for big business and big polluters, imo.

Dub DeLay · 28-Nov-09, 04:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bracko

i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever...

i think he may just be playing a game

sydney3000 · 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bracko

the only person who has a snowflake in hell's chance of winning is hockey.

i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever...

I always liked Hockey but don't know enough if he can be trusted. I liked the sanity of Lindsay Tanner as well but he seems corrupted as well lately.

Since Malcolm Turnbull is financially independent he can take positions which are unpopular and take greater risks. I felt after John Howard's loss it would have been wise to simply let every legislation the ALP proposes pass. It would have ruined the country as fast as possible and caused the quickest return of the Coalition to power. All the delay tactics and blocking of the ALP agenda will extend ALP's power in terms of timeframe.

dance strategy · 28-Nov-09, 07:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sydney3000

Since Malcolm Turnbull is financially independent he can take positions which are unpopular and take greater risks.

And flame away but I applaud him for that at least. Someone willing to put his money where his mouth is. Go Big Mal, f*ck all the mutineering bastards. Im luvin it. He certainly has some balls

macc4 · 28-Nov-09, 08:29pm

I would vote for Carte Blanche

Dub DeLay · 28-Nov-09, 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by sydney3000

I always liked Hockey but don't know enough if he can be trusted. I liked the sanity of Lindsay Tanner as well but seems corrupted as well lately.

Since Malcolm Turnbull is financially independent he can take positions which are unpopular and take greater risks. I felt after John Howard's loss it would have been wise to simply let every legislation the ALP proposes pass. It would have ruined the country as fast as possible and caused the quickest return of the Coalition to power. All the delay tactics and blocking of the ALP agenda will extend ALP's power in terms of timeframe.

hmmm, i am right about you.

silverspoon · 29-Nov-09, 01:34am

sydney3000 wins thread.

big eddie · 30-Nov-09, 07:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dub DeLay

i think he may just be playing a game

His ego was always going to be the biggest problem. He's been too used to suing his way out of cheques that his ego had written that he couldn't cash.

Fangoriously · 30-Nov-09, 08:13am

Oh bollocks he is. That has fast become the quick sound bite for commenting on Turnbull.

Yes, he made big bucks in his private life - but you don't become leader of the opposition just by 'suing his way to the top' like everyone seems to think.

big eddie · 30-Nov-09, 08:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fangoriously

Oh bollocks he is. That has fast become the quick sound bite for commenting on Turnbull.

Yes, he made big bucks in his private life - but you don't become leader of the opposition just by 'suing his way to the top' like everyone seems to think.

I don't think he has 'sued his way to the top', I think he has a massive ego and history has proven him to be extremely litigious in defence of his image (read: ego). Couple that with poor impulse control and you have him in the situation he is in now.

Fangoriously · 30-Nov-09, 08:51am

I'll agree he has an ego - show me the wannabe leader that doesn't, although Turnbull suffers from it more than most I admit.

But its disingenuious to suggest that the only way that he got to the top is via suing. Ok, you weren't necessarily implying that its the only way he got where he is, but its how everyone is describing him now. 'Oh, Turnbull - isn't used to not getting exactly his own way, sued everyone to make his cash so on and so forth'.

There's more to it than that - he's been in politics since '04. That's not long by the standards of some career pollies, but it's not as if he is a rank newbie, either.

big eddie · 30-Nov-09, 09:08am

That's the problem, he's been round long enough that he should know better. Turnbulls leadership has been on life-support for the past few months anyway, he's been terminal since before the ETS was an issue.

legal-affairs · 30-Nov-09, 09:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbb618

Godwin Grech, according to his twitter, has thrown his support behind "his man" Joe Hockey.

Whatever that means.

I think that twitter account is probably only slightly less reliable than "Nick Minchin's" twitter account which contains such gems as "I don't look like Grand Moff Tarkin - Grand Moff Tarkin looks like me".

nick_t · 30-Nov-09, 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by legal-affairs

I think that twitter account is probably only slightly less reliable than "Nick Minchin's" twitter account which contains such gems as "I don't look like Grand Moff Tarkin - Grand Moff Tarkin looks like me".

I didn't know Nick Minchin had the capacity to use twitter.

nick_t · 30-Nov-09, 12:06pm

So if the Australian is to be believed, Joe Hockey will be leading the libs into the next election with Abbott as treasurer and Minchin as minister of finance. Can't say i have a lot of confidence in that lineup at all. If Rudd goes for an early election, i would expect a huge focus on Asylum Seekers from the libs, along with ETS blocking and deficit recovery, the first two appealing to a lot of red neck voters. Will be interesting to watch.

If Joe Hockey has in fact made a deal to block ETS in exchange for Abbot's support in taking the leadership of the party i think he has made a terrible mistake. Hockey to me always seemed more progressive, more in line with Malcolm's way of running the party than Abbott and Minchin's far right views.

Time will tell i guess, anything has to be an improvement from here.

hatzornotahat · 30-Nov-09, 12:15pm

If the Liberals can't come up with their own ETS model than it doesn't matter who leads them. They will lose.

nick_t · 30-Nov-09, 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hatzornotahat

If the Liberals can't come up with their own ETS model than it doesn't matter who leads them. They will lose.

Well realistically they won't win the next election no matter what they do. And with Abbott and Minchin both being outspoken climate change sceptics i doubt they will bother with their own ETS, that is if the Hockey, Abbott, Minchin alliance proves to be true.

thetron · 30-Nov-09, 12:58pm

definitely Rudd.

hatzornotahat · 30-Nov-09, 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick_t

Well realistically they won't win the next election no matter what they do. And with Abbott and Minchin both being outspoken climate change sceptics i doubt they will bother with their own ETS, that is if the Hockey, Abbott, Minchin alliance proves to be true.

Therein lies the problem. Public opinion is demanding the climate change issue be dealt with and senior Liberals still won't even believe it exists. Turnbull has fallen on his own sword by simply daring to agree (slightly) with the Labour position.

MadMike · 30-Nov-09, 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbb618

Hockey is a paid mouthpiece for big business and big polluters, imo.

I've never take much interest, but one of my best mates was his press secretary. Worked for Joe pretty much 24/7 and had only praise for the way he operated.

base615 · 30-Nov-09, 01:59pm

I didn't think I could ever have supported a liberal leader however I've been very impressed with Malcolm Turnbull recently. Look at the polling, his approval rating has been steadily rising and I think if he were to remain leader he could very well bring the Liberal party back to relevence even against a prime minister with such high popularity as Rudd.

As it is, they're pushing themselves into the wilderness for many years to come. My left wing radical side is not too upset about this but I'm also a pragmatist and I think the country needs a strong opposition no matter who is in power (especially since there's currently 2 major parties that are both right wing)

Stealthy · 30-Nov-09, 02:50pm

Turnbull basically picked the wrong party. He figured once Howard was gone and Costello left, the party would more or less his to reform and mould as he chose. He's only realising now to what extent the party is infested with antediluvian ideology. And he didn't realise the resentment some of his colleagues held for him. Career politions who have been patiently waiting in line for a shot at the top job. His involvement with the Liberal party is untenatble let alone leading. He will leave politics soon. In a way I feel a little sad for him but one choses the company one keeps in life, if they turn out to be rotten it's a bit rich to direct blame anywhere but yourself.

B_e_de · 30-Nov-09, 11:21pm

Vote for Hockey. He's got a cool name.

hatzornotahat · 30-Nov-09, 11:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealthy

In a way I feel a little sad for him but one choses the company one keeps in life, if they turn out to be rotten it's a bit rich to direct blame anywhere but yourself.

Don't feel too sorry for him. The money he could be on in the private sector would make his politician's wage look like pocket change.

lowkeyandnude · 30-Nov-09, 11:44pm

This is going to be a very interesting vote tomorrow. The former senate opposition whip was just on lateline tonight. He was supporting Hockey at lunchtime, but by this evening, he had jumped ship to support Abbot.

Hockey, in order to not appear as a puppet of Minchin and the skeptics has said he will allow a free vote on the bill in the senate. That in effect will allow the ETS to pass in the senate. So a vote for Hockey will deliver the ETS, but oust Turnbull, who wanted it passed...its crazy.

I reckon that will lead the skeptics and delayers to vote for Abbot...and absolute destruction at the next election. Its going to be a fun day tomorrow!

Edstacee · 01-Dec-09, 12:00am

So the ETS has 2 out of 3 chances to pass after this vote basically, and one of those chances is Abbott. Abbott has none of the charisma of the other 2 but has alot of the old fart "flat earthers" on his side.

re: poll above..where's everyone's favourite bitches..Bishop? (either of them).

sydney3000 · 01-Dec-09, 06:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowkeyandnude

Hockey, in order to not appear as a puppet of Minchin and the skeptics has said he will allow a free vote on the bill in the senate. That in effect will allow the ETS to pass in the senate. So a vote for Hockey will deliver the ETS, but oust Turnbull, who wanted it passed...its crazy.

http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sho...&postcount=307

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View Poll Results: Which Liberal will be leading the Coalition to the next federal election?
Malcolm Turnbull	6	17.14%
Tony Abbott	2	5.71%
Joe Hockey	14	40.00%
Kevin Andrews	0	0%
Barnaby Joyce	0	0%
Wilson Tuckey	6	17.14%
Peter Costello	0	0%
Brendan Nelson	0	0%
John Howard	1	2.86%
Kevin Rudd	6	17.14%
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27-Nov-09, 11:34am	#1
sydney3000 Registered User Member Since: Mar 2008 MemberID: 162581 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 600	Upcoming Federal Election Which Liberal will be leading the Coalition to the next federal election?

27-Nov-09, 11:36am	#2
Fangoriously Registered User Member Since: Jun 2007 MemberID: 131483 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 1,933	King O'Malley __________________ Thanks for coming over, guys....thanks for breaking my lamp

27-Nov-09, 11:38am	#3
esoteric31 clean & serene Member Since: Sep 2002 MemberID: 13957 Location: maggie's farm Posts: 9,076	A Dead Kennedy. So very Liberal, so very dead. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by trajik Anyway we can now stop discussing my anus. I made my confession, it was awkward and horrible.

27-Nov-09, 12:18pm	#7
Spitchen musical host Member Since: Mar 2001 MemberID: 286 Location: In a very beautiful place Posts: 17,981	__________________ There is pleasure in the pathless woods, There is a rapture on the lonely shore, There is society, where none intrudes, By the deep sea, and music in its roar: I love not man the less, but Nature more.... Lord Byron

27-Nov-09, 11:38am	#4
fresh555 Registered User Member Since: Aug 2009 MemberID: 204347 Location: VIC, AU Posts: 176	Wilson Tuckey FTW!!! The mad uncle of the Liberal Party...

27-Nov-09, 12:08pm	#5
silverspoon purple duck cutie mouth Member Since: Feb 2003 MemberID: 19209 Location: da ghetto Posts: 2,930	Alan Cadman.

27-Nov-09, 12:15pm	#6
trist too many years on ITM Member Since: Mar 2001 MemberID: 362 Location: Sydney Posts: 4,596	Ironbar! Ironbar! Ironbar!

27-Nov-09, 05:09pm	#8
nick_t Slagathor Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86084 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 1,756	Malcolm should lead them in, it's too close to change leadership. Plan to loose, plan to build off it. __________________
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28-Nov-09, 10:38am	#9
Bracko in Russia, internet ban u Member Since: Apr 2002 MemberID: 8863 Posts: 30,020	the only person who has a snowflake in hell's chance of winning is hockey. i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever... __________________ D.A.V.E. says see for me, in the past to a girl I'm like, yeah, i like you and they're like, yeah, i like you too and we're like, lets get together Nina says its not that easy anymore D.A.V.E. says G A Y

28-Nov-09, 10:39am	#10
dbb618 Mortal Avatar Member Since: May 2006 MemberID: 89387 Location: Bubble Metropolis Posts: 9,128	Godwin Grech, according to his twitter, has thrown his support behind "his man" Joe Hockey. Whatever that means. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/dbbrx8/tracks http://twitter.com/derekbradley Quote: Originally Posted by B_e_de ur fkn drubnk its the drunjunation of the future
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28-Nov-09, 11:14am	#11
dave1986 Registered User Member Since: Jul 2006 MemberID: 94222 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 1,384	I think Hockey will wait until they lose the next election - and then start again. He's a likeable guy and I think most of the electorate believe he's an honest and decent minded bloke. He will have to start showing some leadership and grit at that point tho.

28-Nov-09, 11:17am	#12
dbb618 Mortal Avatar Member Since: May 2006 MemberID: 89387 Location: Bubble Metropolis Posts: 9,128	Hockey is a paid mouthpiece for big business and big polluters, imo. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/dbbrx8/tracks http://twitter.com/derekbradley Quote: Originally Posted by B_e_de ur fkn drubnk its the drunjunation of the future
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28-Nov-09, 04:45pm	#13
Dub DeLay check the intensive snare Member Since: Jan 2006 MemberID: 81278 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 2,941	Quote: Originally Posted by Bracko i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever... i think he may just be playing a game __________________ "If the sheep falls out, you can always get a new sheep."

28-Nov-09, 05:14pm	#14
sydney3000 Registered User Member Since: Mar 2008 MemberID: 162581 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 600	Quote: Originally Posted by Bracko the only person who has a snowflake in hell's chance of winning is hockey. i think turnbull would have had a chance, and i think he's not a bad leader, but absolutely no sense of judgement what.so.ever... I always liked Hockey but don't know enough if he can be trusted. I liked the sanity of Lindsay Tanner as well but he seems corrupted as well lately. Since Malcolm Turnbull is financially independent he can take positions which are unpopular and take greater risks. I felt after John Howard's loss it would have been wise to simply let every legislation the ALP proposes pass. It would have ruined the country as fast as possible and caused the quickest return of the Coalition to power. All the delay tactics and blocking of the ALP agenda will extend ALP's power in terms of timeframe. Last edited by sydney3000 : 28-Nov-09 at 10:38pm.

28-Nov-09, 07:20pm	#15
dance strategy justified & ancient ... Member Since: Dec 2006 MemberID: 112016 Location: 3rd Age of ITM Posts: 2,611	Quote: Originally Posted by sydney3000 Since Malcolm Turnbull is financially independent he can take positions which are unpopular and take greater risks. And flame away but I applaud him for that at least. Someone willing to put his money where his mouth is. Go Big Mal, f*ck all the mutineering bastards. Im luvin it. He certainly has some balls

28-Nov-09, 08:29pm	#16
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29-Nov-09, 01:34am	#18
silverspoon purple duck cutie mouth Member Since: Feb 2003 MemberID: 19209 Location: da ghetto Posts: 2,930	sydney3000 wins thread.

30-Nov-09, 07:10am	#19
big eddie #wanker_club Member Since: Jan 2003 MemberID: 18166 Location: the top Posts: 25,048	Quote: Originally Posted by Dub DeLay i think he may just be playing a game His ego was always going to be the biggest problem. He's been too used to suing his way out of cheques that his ego had written that he couldn't cash. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by drater I gave it another shot over the weekend. Once I got to halfway, I actually quite enjoyed the taste

30-Nov-09, 08:13am	#20
Fangoriously Registered User Member Since: Jun 2007 MemberID: 131483 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 1,933	Oh bollocks he is. That has fast become the quick sound bite for commenting on Turnbull. Yes, he made big bucks in his private life - but you don't become leader of the opposition just by 'suing his way to the top' like everyone seems to think. __________________ Thanks for coming over, guys....thanks for breaking my lamp

30-Nov-09, 08:28am	#21
big eddie #wanker_club Member Since: Jan 2003 MemberID: 18166 Location: the top Posts: 25,048	Quote: Originally Posted by Fangoriously Oh bollocks he is. That has fast become the quick sound bite for commenting on Turnbull. Yes, he made big bucks in his private life - but you don't become leader of the opposition just by 'suing his way to the top' like everyone seems to think. I don't think he has 'sued his way to the top', I think he has a massive ego and history has proven him to be extremely litigious in defence of his image (read: ego). Couple that with poor impulse control and you have him in the situation he is in now. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by drater I gave it another shot over the weekend. Once I got to halfway, I actually quite enjoyed the taste

30-Nov-09, 08:51am	#22
Fangoriously Registered User Member Since: Jun 2007 MemberID: 131483 Location: Strongbadia Posts: 1,933	I'll agree he has an ego - show me the wannabe leader that doesn't, although Turnbull suffers from it more than most I admit. But its disingenuious to suggest that the only way that he got to the top is via suing. Ok, you weren't necessarily implying that its the only way he got where he is, but its how everyone is describing him now. 'Oh, Turnbull - isn't used to not getting exactly his own way, sued everyone to make his cash so on and so forth'. There's more to it than that - he's been in politics since '04. That's not long by the standards of some career pollies, but it's not as if he is a rank newbie, either. __________________ Thanks for coming over, guys....thanks for breaking my lamp

30-Nov-09, 09:08am	#23
big eddie #wanker_club Member Since: Jan 2003 MemberID: 18166 Location: the top Posts: 25,048	That's the problem, he's been round long enough that he should know better. Turnbulls leadership has been on life-support for the past few months anyway, he's been terminal since before the ETS was an issue. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by drater I gave it another shot over the weekend. Once I got to halfway, I actually quite enjoyed the taste

30-Nov-09, 09:11am	#24
legal-affairs Moderator says 2.0 Member Since: Apr 2002 MemberID: 8379 Location: CSI meme-y Posts: 10,312	Quote: Originally Posted by dbb618 Godwin Grech, according to his twitter, has thrown his support behind "his man" Joe Hockey. Whatever that means. I think that twitter account is probably only slightly less reliable than "Nick Minchin's" twitter account which contains such gems as "I don't look like Grand Moff Tarkin - Grand Moff Tarkin looks like me". __________________ But we're fools if we sit back and stare at the ground While the weasels and analysts sing If we want our place in history, we can't let the frustration Drive us to fashionable drinking again

30-Nov-09, 11:54am	#25
nick_t Slagathor Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86084 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 1,756	Quote: Originally Posted by legal-affairs I think that twitter account is probably only slightly less reliable than "Nick Minchin's" twitter account which contains such gems as "I don't look like Grand Moff Tarkin - Grand Moff Tarkin looks like me". I didn't know Nick Minchin had the capacity to use twitter. __________________
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30-Nov-09, 12:06pm	#26
nick_t Slagathor Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86084 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 1,756	So if the Australian is to be believed, Joe Hockey will be leading the libs into the next election with Abbott as treasurer and Minchin as minister of finance. Can't say i have a lot of confidence in that lineup at all. If Rudd goes for an early election, i would expect a huge focus on Asylum Seekers from the libs, along with ETS blocking and deficit recovery, the first two appealing to a lot of red neck voters. Will be interesting to watch. If Joe Hockey has in fact made a deal to block ETS in exchange for Abbot's support in taking the leadership of the party i think he has made a terrible mistake. Hockey to me always seemed more progressive, more in line with Malcolm's way of running the party than Abbott and Minchin's far right views. Time will tell i guess, anything has to be an improvement from here. __________________
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30-Nov-09, 12:15pm	#27
hatzornotahat is not an alias Member Since: Feb 2009 MemberID: 190661 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 2,248	If the Liberals can't come up with their own ETS model than it doesn't matter who leads them. They will lose. __________________ I'm pregnant with a baby elephant, the trunk is already out. Quote: Originally Posted by Dbauch if someone spends all their days posting on an internet music site about crap, then they have no people skills or real friends and are unemployed with no prospects

30-Nov-09, 12:27pm	#28
nick_t Slagathor Member Since: Mar 2006 MemberID: 86084 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 1,756	Quote: Originally Posted by hatzornotahat If the Liberals can't come up with their own ETS model than it doesn't matter who leads them. They will lose. Well realistically they won't win the next election no matter what they do. And with Abbott and Minchin both being outspoken climate change sceptics i doubt they will bother with their own ETS, that is if the Hockey, Abbott, Minchin alliance proves to be true. __________________
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30-Nov-09, 12:58pm	#29
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30-Nov-09, 01:32pm	#30
hatzornotahat is not an alias Member Since: Feb 2009 MemberID: 190661 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 2,248	Quote: Originally Posted by nick_t Well realistically they won't win the next election no matter what they do. And with Abbott and Minchin both being outspoken climate change sceptics i doubt they will bother with their own ETS, that is if the Hockey, Abbott, Minchin alliance proves to be true. Therein lies the problem. Public opinion is demanding the climate change issue be dealt with and senior Liberals still won't even believe it exists. Turnbull has fallen on his own sword by simply daring to agree (slightly) with the Labour position. __________________ I'm pregnant with a baby elephant, the trunk is already out. Quote: Originally Posted by Dbauch if someone spends all their days posting on an internet music site about crap, then they have no people skills or real friends and are unemployed with no prospects

30-Nov-09, 01:48pm	#31
MadMike Member Since: Mar 2001 MemberID: 539 Location: One More Time Tour Posts: 14,299	Quote: Originally Posted by dbb618 Hockey is a paid mouthpiece for big business and big polluters, imo. I've never take much interest, but one of my best mates was his press secretary. Worked for Joe pretty much 24/7 and had only praise for the way he operated. __________________ a still more glorious dawns awaits not a sunrise but a galaxy rise a morning filled with 400 billion suns the rising of the milky way

30-Nov-09, 01:59pm	#32
base615 A bit of a fat **** Member Since: Jan 2007 MemberID: 113591 Location: NSW, AU Posts: 1,230	I didn't think I could ever have supported a liberal leader however I've been very impressed with Malcolm Turnbull recently. Look at the polling, his approval rating has been steadily rising and I think if he were to remain leader he could very well bring the Liberal party back to relevence even against a prime minister with such high popularity as Rudd. As it is, they're pushing themselves into the wilderness for many years to come. My left wing radical side is not too upset about this but I'm also a pragmatist and I think the country needs a strong opposition no matter who is in power (especially since there's currently 2 major parties that are both right wing)

30-Nov-09, 02:50pm	#33
Stealthy Wealthy & Wise Member Since: Mar 2002 MemberID: 7897 Location: location location Posts: 1,456	Turnbull basically picked the wrong party. He figured once Howard was gone and Costello left, the party would more or less his to reform and mould as he chose. He's only realising now to what extent the party is infested with antediluvian ideology. And he didn't realise the resentment some of his colleagues held for him. Career politions who have been patiently waiting in line for a shot at the top job. His involvement with the Liberal party is untenatble let alone leading. He will leave politics soon. In a way I feel a little sad for him but one choses the company one keeps in life, if they turn out to be rotten it's a bit rich to direct blame anywhere but yourself.

30-Nov-09, 11:21pm	#34
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30-Nov-09, 11:26pm	#35
hatzornotahat is not an alias Member Since: Feb 2009 MemberID: 190661 Location: QLD, AU Posts: 2,248	Quote: Originally Posted by Stealthy In a way I feel a little sad for him but one choses the company one keeps in life, if they turn out to be rotten it's a bit rich to direct blame anywhere but yourself. Don't feel too sorry for him. The money he could be on in the private sector would make his politician's wage look like pocket change. __________________ I'm pregnant with a baby elephant, the trunk is already out. Quote: Originally Posted by Dbauch if someone spends all their days posting on an internet music site about crap, then they have no people skills or real friends and are unemployed with no prospects