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Help before I burn my $$$ - Can't decide
Howdy kids.
First time poster here, been lurking, reading, searching for a while.

Eons ago (ok, like some 10 years ago, when I was 14), I rigged my family's old home system, got in a turntable, a mixer a few odds and ends and the bug bit.

Long story short, I never got a chance to do what we all love doing until recently.

I want to get some gear togeaher for mixing it up at home, at the most friends parties. CDJ's and a mixer seemed to be way to go.
I couldn't think of any reason why I need turntables now (yes I read that long post debating cdj's vs turntables).

Just as I was getting all comfy with that idea, I've been thinking, what about digital DJ'ing? Self admittedly I know little/nothing about it, but I do have a laptop....
and if I am wanting to spin tracks at home and have fun .... am I better off going for some mixing software? or maybe even a mixer and 2 laptops ?

The prospect of having 2 cdj's and a mixer is a bit more appealing for the offchance, say a year down the track or something, if I ever get to fill space at some bar or random venue CDJ's would be the norm - correct ??? Or do most venues account for laptop carrying digital enthusiasts?

Appreciate your feedback and ideas.

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http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sho...d.php?t=199081

some interesting reading in there

my 2cents if i was to start from scratch again would go Laptop + tractor pro with control vinyl & cds.
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hmmm if it was me starting all over again, i'd buy cdj 1000s and a semi-decent mixer

get the club standard if you want to head that way, then you're good to go

plus, then you can just get serator to traktor scratch and use the cd/mixer hardware with a laptop setup when you're ready

i think building up some basic skills would suit you best and you'll get heaps more reward learning one thing than trying to learn 2/3 things at once
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hmmm if it was me starting all over again, i'd buy cdj 1000s and a semi-decent mixer

get the club standard if you want to head that way, then you're good to go

plus, then you can just get serator to traktor scratch and use the cd/mixer hardware with a laptop setup when you're ready

i think building up some basic skills would suit you best and you'll get heaps more reward learning one thing than trying to learn 2/3 things at once

Yes that is what I had in mind as well.
so I take it I would be better off with a minimum 3 - 4channel mixer so I can add further past the cdj's to begin with?
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http://www.inthemix.com.au/forum/sho...d.php?t=199081

some interesting reading in there

my 2cents if i was to start from scratch again would go Laptop + tractor pro with control vinyl & cds.

So begin with the software and the laptop and then add in things in to the mix? or did I get that all wrong?
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yeh, four channel mixer if you can afford it

i'd be spending my bucks on getting the best cdjs you can that meet club standards (pioneer cdj 1000) - the mixer can be upgraded later if you don't want to shell out on that

and try to get cases for this gear if you can - you never know when you might have to take them out of the house...
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So begin with the software and the laptop and then add in things in to the mix? or did I get that all wrong?
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well you've already got a laptop...

id go traktor pro next

then cdjs & mixer....

i'm fucking over burning cds & buying vinyl, then figuring out which cds/records to take to gigs "just in case" ill play them

would much rather take 1 x laptop with my music library on it (plus a couple of back up cds)

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just different points of view - guess it really depends on what kind of dj you want to be

cds aren't really that hard to manage - i use everything - vinyl, cds and traktor on a macbook

but that's because i believe in being as versatile as possible when it comes to playing out
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If I were you I would have a look at m audio Torq and Xponent

Mixing Softwear and Midi controller only way to go imo

CDJ's are going the same way TT's did

Dont gt me wrong I got decks and CDJ's but since I got Torq and Xponent everything but one TT and mixer is gathering dust (gotta keep my scratches sharp and xponent no good for that)
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serato itch and vestax vcm300 is also a good option
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Controller, soundcard, and a laptop - you are set!
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CDJ's are going the same way TT's did



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CDJ's are going the same way TT's did

Laptop + Traktor + TT's = fun
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fast accurate beatmatching is fast becoming a lost art form

I just wish more lap top n controller dj's would push the bar more... most ive seen carry on like pork chops behind the decks and should be working the mix more instead.. like I understand you dont really need to concentrate anymore and you can have lots of fun but imo that means you should put more into your set (lots loops, 3 to 4 tracks at once, lots of cutting and reworking etc)

if your not doing that when using lap tops n controller then I think you are a shitty shitty dj and should quit... your making the whole thing really lame.. your just a show pony.. all style over substance... your worse then any drop mixing trainwrecking dj and are cheapening an art form you supposedly love

harsh words on them.. id love to be refuted on them because I really need to get over my complete disdain and lack of respect for EDM dj's who do not beatmatch
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yep [that brings me back to my first point] it's best to start with cdjs

(actually, i think it's best to start with vinyl because it's harder to move from cds to vinyl than the other way around, but cds are cheaper and downloads are easy as)

i'd def start with a cdj setup if you want to be a digital dj
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Why can't one finesse their beat matching skills on a digi dg software? you still learn to monitor your bpm and develop your matching skills right ?
At the end of the day isn't it more important to have the ability as opposed to perfecting the skill on one particular medium?
or am I missing your argument?
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dont get me wrong I love my decks had them for over 8 years and they have served me every very well

But this guy is asking what he should get to set up

Gonna be a big outlay to get DVS, Mixer and TT's

When he could get the same joy from a controller and the softwear

Especially if he hasnt been using decks he isnt going to miss the feel and the $$$ he saves can be put into tunes and build a awesome collection

If he mixes is up fo a while and feels the need to get decks they can always be added later
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well if you have the skill you can do it on all mediums
from what I have seen of traktor it really doesnt encourage beatmatching or learning it
it has little bars that show when tracks are going in and out... and auto correct buttons etc

beatmatching is best learnt without beatcounters or anything like that


I think riding the slide is a great skill to get.. and thats best learnt on TT's
also cross fader's are better on mixers then midi controllers.. so i think the lap top, decks + traktor combo is far better then lap top + controllers.. thats for lazy unskilled peeps usually imo (cept big dubs.. he has mad skillz and uses this.. )
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[quote=Oli-G]lap top + controllers.. thats for lazy unskilled peeps usually imoQUOTE]

Might be a bit of a generalisation

Also depends on what sort of tunes you play softwear not very good at sync with beats that are not straight 4/4
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also cross fader's are better on mixers then midi controllers.. so i think the lap top, decks + traktor combo is far better then lap top + controllers..

i can't agree more

i just got a numark midi controller and traktor pro
when i was playing around with this last night, i really found myself missing the vinyl controls - there's just so much more mixing control and finesse gained from turntables

but for a first set up, i'd get cdjs because the outlay on music (which is what you'll be enjoying the most) is far less than on vinyl pressings
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I think in a perfect world it is best to start on vinyl, but who has that kind of money. I would get CDJs and a good mixer to start - no need for 4 channels and most decent 3 channel mixers will have a phono/CD switch on a couple of channels anyway. Someone has an Ecler NUO 3 for sale in the buying/selling forum at the moment - that would be an awesome place to start!

Start learning to mix and then get traktor if you think you are going to go on with it.

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Gonna be a big outlay to get DVS, Mixer and TT's

Not really. Second hand decks, basic 2ch mixer and Serato can be had for under 2k.

Or for the same money you could get 2xCDJ400's and a 2ch mixer.
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Torq and Xponent $800 much better than 2nd hand TT and crappy mixer and serato with no effects imo
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^^ tell me why do you need effects when you are just starting out??
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You tell me why not?
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You tell me why not?

If your a beginner, there are far more important things to learn like beatmatching, EQing, phrasing, set structure, learning your tunes etc...

Effects sound shit on entry level mixers.

You don't need effects to make a set sound good.
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I really think this should be what he should be looking at if just starting



$185 at Djwarehouse

gonna do the job without the bells and whistles for less than $200

If he is still into mixing it upo in 6 months def go and get whatever gear you want and spend whatever you like

but if never dj'ed before and just gonna play at home and mates I really dont think he would need anymore than this

Plus no waveforms so gotta learn to mix by ear will make a better DJ in the long run

ALL UNDER $200
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If your a beginner, there are far more important things to learn like beatmatching, EQing, phrasing, set structure, learning your tunes etc...

Effects sound shit on entry level mixers.

You don't need effects to make a set sound good.

yeh, i agree

i think it's best to learn to drive a manual before settling on an automatic

plus, learn how things work so you don't end up crashing out

technique is a match between theory and practice so getting the right tools for the job will help develop good dj techniques
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I really think this should be what he should be looking at if just starting

$185 at Djwarehouse

as horrible as that bit of kti is

for that price its a good start.....

you dont need cdj1000mk3 to learn on.....
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Its the differece between a VW and a Ferrari

Both do the same thing just one with alot more style class and cred

but someone who buys a ferarri on their L's has too much money and not enough sense
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Thanks guys, I am quite happy going for a pair of el-cheapo cdj's and a mixer to begin with.
After 6 months I am sure I will know where I want to go, what I want and what I need.

However on that note, isn't it better to pick up a pair of cd decks which have a jog wheel and a mixer with a bpm counter or better not to ? ...
I take it some of you consider the bpm to be a "cheat" and doesnt allow you to develop a ear to beat matching.....

but what about the jog wheel/scratchability function on some cdjs ?


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lol, what's ur budget?

If I were you, I'd pick up 2 cdj400s and a basic 2ch mixer.
The 400s are a lot like the 1000s, just stripped down and smaller.
That'd cost you about $1800, so depends on your budget atm.
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Get a CDJ with a jog wheel - absolutely. This is the industry standard and you'll just have to re-learn. Do not get a BPM counter as most of them don't even work properly and will only delay the development of your own ear.

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jog wheels or pitch buttons both do the same thing jog wheels attempt to replicate the motions you use on a TT

If your not use to those motions not gonna make much difference imo

and you would have to evaluate the $$$ difference a single new CDJ100 is gonna be 4 or 5 hunderd

and that stanton banger i mentioned gets you going for $325 less than 1 cdj

you can learn with pitch buttons and then if you stick with it not that hard to learn to push a littl wheel matching the beats in yor head is the skill

but if you got the $$$ get the best gear you can

I have just seen mate who have seen all my gear and thought hey I wanna DJ too drop $2500 and just dont stick with it you know
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i first learnt to mix on rack-mount cd players (denon) with no jog wheel just pitch bend buttons. once you've got your ear trained to hear both beats and what's out & how far, you can use that skill on any medium. it'll take a few mixes to get the hang of using a jog wheel (quite a few mixes to get the hang of vinyl tho) but essentially the principle is the same and you just need to adapt to the feel of different technologies.

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Yeah i went from a jog wheel to bend buttons and found them to be faaar more accurate - the tips of your fingers are a lot more sensitive than moving your entire hand forward and backward - that said i am now back on a jog wheel and have been for a while but i do miss those buttons.

At the end of the day if you can hear the difference you can push and pull using whatever - its a moot point
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buy second hand gear and sell when you want to upgrade or when you decide to quit.

this way it costs you $0 in the long term.
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I reckon go traktor pro and two cdj 400... It'll cost you around 3 grand..You'll be able to use the 400's traditionally if you want ,as well as with traktor..
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I've decided to got they way of CDJ's.
I can't afford the 1000's as yet.
Keeping in mind its a hobby, I tend to deidcate my life to another job, I thought no need to go for club-quality gear.
Just stuff to keep me happy and spinning for the next few months.
Any thoughts ?



http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/cat/in...uct_id=1107045

A bit more upmarket:
http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/cat/in...uct_id=1108363
OR
http://www.storedj.com.au/products/product.php?id=808


not as upmarket:
http://www.djcity.com.au/products/pk...mixer_603.html

http://www.djcity.com.au/products/pk...mixer_680.html


and of course the el cheapo one which I consider replaceable in 6 months... so I can mash to my hearts content and decide what I want after that:
http://www.djwarehouse.com.au/cat/in...uct_id=1163036
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hope many $$'s you got to play with?

Is that the buy right the first time so I don't have to buy again school of thought ?
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moreso so you can get best value for money

you dont have to go out and spend $3000 on a first set up, but if you're paying close to $1000 there is some stuff to stear clear of

2nd gear is a good option too, theres a lot of people who buy good gear and dont use it,,,
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if you got the $$$ do it

but if your just gonna "learn" to mix cd's I dont really see the point in dropping all that cash straight up but can def see the good point of spending $185 to see if your gonna stick with it and if so you will have a better idea about what your looking for and what features you really want on your next set up

Plus in 6 months time price might drop on gear your looking at now and you would appreciate the quality equipment so much more aftre coming off the cheap banger

just my 2cents

Its very easy for people to tell you how to spend money thats not theirs
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1200's have been going cheap at the moment. I have seen pairs going for as little as $600 but you probably have to pay at least $800 for a good set loaded (with carts). Cheap mixer (dont spend more than $200 or you may get one with the second hand TT (upgrade it later when you know what you want) and I a DVS. I would go with serato. ($650 if you can find a good deal)

All these things will have good resale except maybe the mixer and if you decide that you do like it. You will end up loosing less money than if you buy one of those stanton cd kits and if you decide that you love it. You will have decent gear that will last you a life time
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1200's have been going cheap at the moment. I have seen pairs going for as little as $600 but you probably have to pay at least $800 for a good set loaded (with carts). Cheap mixer (dont spend more than $200 or you may get one with the second hand TT (upgrade it later when you know what you want) and I a DVS. I would go with serato. ($650 if you can find a good deal)

All these things will have good resale except maybe the mixer and if you decide that you do like it. You will end up loosing less money than if you buy one of those stanton cd kits and if you decide that you love it. You will have decent gear that will last you a life time
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All these things will have good resale except maybe the mixer and if you decide that you do like it. You will end up loosing less money than if you buy one of those stanton cd kits and if you decide that you love it. You will have decent gear that will last you a life time

i agree with all of the above !!!



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