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Cueing tracks
anyone here likes to cue tracks on 1/2 bar, been doing this for a while now and i really enjoy it, there's a certain moment where timing changes or something like that (not vey good with technical phrasing of dj mixing ) but anyway, includes lots of listening while you mix.
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Track A = 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Track B = .....1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

Can get some crazy delay-like synth effects (call and response style) by delaying one track a beat or two behind the other, then cutting between the two, as well as new percussion layers.

The transitions of each track being out of time from each other would be my only concern.

If that's what you meant?
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Well phasing can only be caused by the exact same track playing over the top unless of course u have an effects unit. but ill deffintly try this out
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Track A = 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
Track B = .....1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

Can get some crazy delay-like synth effects (call and response style) by delaying one track a beat or two behind the other, then cutting between the two, as well as new percussion layers.

The transitions of each track being out of time from each other would be my only concern.

If that's what you meant?

thanks man as i said i'm pretty illiterate when it comes to tech language but yes dropping on lets say 4 or 2 not 1, its really cool cause it sounds like the track is off by 1 bar and then if you follow it it turns sort of around.

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Yeah it's similar to a 1 beat delay effect. You can a nice build up without using effects if you do this too.

Feels really strange if this is done with vinyl, like you body doesn't want to drop it then and wants to wait for the start of the next bar, really un-natural. It throws you out a little if you dancing as well if you fade all the way from one track to the next.
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and as for transitions between tracks thats the best part, there's a certain moment when that happens, thats why you gotta have phones on your head the whole time. its a lot to do with volumes as well when at one point you change volumes, its not as easy as your standard mixing for sure. lot of pro dj's mix like this, may for example constanly mixes like this, and gamblore check out that accapela carter was playing, see how he drops the ext track one bar late
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I've never heard it sound good to be honest. I always think, gee, they fucked that up, or the tune skipped on them.
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depends on the genre ... can work pretty well cutting between techno or ghetto tech (and breaks and hip hop goes without saying) ... can't see it working with prog or trance though

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Also looks like his meter levels are about to blow up
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I've never heard it sound good to be honest. I always think, gee, they fucked that up, or the tune skipped on them.

If you know this classic rave tune from the mid-90s... Commander Tom's "Are Am Eye"... then imagine the break in middle with the synth stabs, then imagine it duplicated, with the second record sitting one beat behind (ie. 1/4 note delay), and flicking the crossfader back and forth on the beat. Neat trick.

Actually, here's an edit of that tune which begins with those synths...

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Of course, as you say, it goes belly up if one attempts to mix it that way when the drums kick back in.

Actually scrap that, I've watched a DJ from the Jungle Punks techno doof crew (again late 90s, and may have been Manson?) cue the second record just 1/2 a beat behind the first, flick the crossfader back and forth in double time, so the 4/4 beats fire at 8 times per bar... d,d,d,d,dddddddd,d,d,d,d,

...or flick it one way to throw the beats into off-time for several bars, then flick it back again to get everything back on track.

Works a treat, makes sure everyone's still awake.

But one has to still understand their proper phrasing or changes will happen a bar early/late and I'll have to stroke my chin.
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Also looks like his meter levels are about to blow up




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Holy shit Godfather is a fucking beast. That opened my eyes a lot.

Who are some other djs that shred it like this so i can Youtube them!!
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you've been reading too many ITM threads

Nah I learnt about that from somewhere else.

But dude his level are at the very last red light on both the input and master levels...

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Nah I learnt about that from somewhere else.

But dude his level are at the very last red light on both the input and master levels...

better email the dude and tell him he doesn't know what he's doing then huh ...
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you've been reading too many ITM threads

probably your threads.....
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Originally Posted by truba

gamblore check out that accapela carter was playing, see how he drops the ext track one bar late

Had to watch it three times to pick it up but eventually got it!
Sounds good when Carter does it actually. I'm sure it would sound great with Derek May does it, it fits his kind of music.

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But one has to still understand their proper phrasing or changes will happen a bar early/late and I'll have to stroke my chin.

Yeah thats what I was getting at. It just feels strange, like what Grusso said, if not done correctly, it sounds like a fuck up.

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Also looks like his meter levels are about to blow up

I thought that was the only way you play a DJM600? :ducks for cover:
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works with house as well, been mixing for a while like this, true its piss easy with techno and minimal, but i like doing it with house, the mix can sound totally different by cuing the track one kick late or one kick early. as i said takes a lot of listening while you mix and vol. adjusting. it 's easy to get lost if you dont listen. when the transition happens its like the track that has been cued in one kick late sort of rolls over the track you're mixing out of. imagine that spring thingy that you push down the stairs and it just keeps rolling down from step to step, thats what it reminds me of. hehe
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this would be like cuing tracks when you hear a key not a drum kick, and keys can be put anywhere.
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and keys can be put anywhere.

yea ... that's why it's so easy to lose them
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i thought you might be into this funke, personally i cant get enough of mixing like this, i love tweaking shit while doing this, killing the bass then giving little stab kicks a bar or two late, or when you have 2 rekids running then giving little kicks from either track late or early.
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check the mix around the 33 sec mark onwards, every track is cued 1 bar late

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByQcdHnYIVA

p.s.check out how he mixes the adonis track, i know he smashes it wit efx but you can tell its a bar late

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depends on the genre ... can work pretty well cutting between techno or ghetto tech (and breaks and hip hop goes without saying) ... can't see it working with prog or trance though

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=StlhdVZwtjg

dats what i'm talkin bout , how funny is that he can do more effects wit his hands than that djm 600 he's mixin on
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