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Jesus fucking Christ......

All its getting a big retarded isnt it?? No fucking way is someone going to scan my details willy nilly so I can get into their gay ass club.

Also, I have been out clubbing and walked in and out more than five times in a night and its been completely unrelated to drug dealing... tossers.
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the companies that implement this kind of system would have already thought of all these concerns, and will presumably have addressed them.

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i did read up about the fingerprint scanners they are putting into Home (?), and it seemed pretty secure to me. when a company is in the business of looking after this kind of info.. they have to be able to answer ALL of these concerns

Yeah you'd think so hey. Take a look at the secure electronic voting machines in the US. They're a bit higher stakes and still seem to have massive shortcomings.

Even if the technical aspects of the proposed system are perfect and your private data is safe, policy statements like "''So if somebody goes out four or five times in one night, I'll say, 'put that name on the side, put an alarm bell code on it, when he comes in next week, get ready'.'" are, in my opinion, hardly encouraging.
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Yeah you'd think so hey. Take a look at the secure electronic voting machines in the US. They're a bit higher stakes and still seem to have massive shortcomings.

i agree. whenever i read about electronic systems like this, my mind jumps straight to the fact that eletronic voting systems aren't fool proof. if these people are taking my details so they can prosocute me when something goes wrong, i WILL NOT trust their system. i'd probably also bring an expert witness about the shortcomings of electronic system. humans aren't perfect, not are teh machines we make.

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i have 2 licenses from 2 dif states.. would that break the system?

yeah I'm wondering how exactly it will work, if it actually scans the name on the card or just goes off the overall appearance

I've had my 18+ card long enough that if it was a driver licence it would've expired, and I've been meaning to get a new one anyway... would having an up to date photo (with totally different hair lmao) and presumably a different card # be enough, or would I need to deed poll my name as well
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Your license number stays the same, well at least mine has. Also, there is software that could quite easily convert the picture into text to be entered and compared against a database.
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ahh this opens up a can of worms for more issues

but it has the potential to work out well.. only time will tell i guess.
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Yeah you'd think so hey. Take a look at the secure electronic voting machines in the US. They're a bit higher stakes and still seem to have massive shortcomings.

Even if the technical aspects of the proposed system are perfect and your private data is safe, policy statements like "''So if somebody goes out four or five times in one night, I'll say, 'put that name on the side, put an alarm bell code on it, when he comes in next week, get ready'.'" are, in my opinion, hardly encouraging.

yeah true, on both points

i would hope that leaving a few times would not be grounds for a bannage :/
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yeah I'm wondering how exactly it will work, if it actually scans the name on the card or just goes off the overall appearance

I've had my 18+ card long enough that if it was a driver licence it would've expired, and I've been meaning to get a new one anyway... would having an up to date photo (with totally different hair lmao) and presumably a different card # be enough, or would I need to deed poll my name as well

i perved on your 18+ card friday night

clubs have been using these scanners for ages haven't they?
i know [don't laugh] kallangur tavern and twisted arm at caboolture use scanners
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Some clubs in the UK trialled a club entry system that involved licking liptus paper to see if you were on drugs.
If this had been introduced it would have been disastrous for clubland.
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so it'll be like going to strip clubs now? will i get booted for putting tenners down randoms tops?

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so, i'm a bit confused... are we getting new licenses for scanning? with barcodes?

Im not sure when they are being introduced but the new drivers licenses will have like a like hologram like passports do of your pic if im correct, anyone? Its easy to scan
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Im all for this, tho I think a life time banning is a bit rich. Maybe if you stab someone, but being a drunk dick could probably warrant a weekend banning or a month banning...

Im not too worried about my privacy...maybe only slightly paranoid, but we've just had our credit card details stolen, so identity theft is something at the front of my mind at the moment.
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that was clever, how many beers did it take?


Probably nowhere near as many as you'd have to feed someone for them to consider fucking you.

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Probably nowhere near as many as you'd have to feed someone for them to consider fucking you.

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There is no way in hell anyone should trust a private company's word when it comes to your privacy, particularly a hotelier!

Before handing over your ID at a venue, ask yourself:
  • What security measures are in place to protect my personal information?
  • Can I trust this venue to have electronic encryption to a standard high enough to stop security breaches? (If your answer is yes, you are naive as to how easy it is for criminals to hack any networked system - not to mention rogue employees)
  • Can this venue guarantee the safety of my personal information? If yes, what procedures do they have in place to compensate you if that guarantee is broken?
  • Can I request a copy of the information you hold on me at any time?
  • How long is my personal information held for? How can this venue guarantee that my information will be deleted?
I'm sure you can guess what the answers to most would be, although I would be delighted if a Bickle representative would answer them for us. In summary, you would have to be a dolt to hand over your ID at a Bickle venue. Don't stand for it - I've been in many nightclubs all over the world and not once has my ID been scanned. You don't need to have yours scanned either.
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I fail to see the difference between this, and your local video shop

Or the rental blacklist, or any other network that shares personal information
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I fail to see the difference between this, and your local video shop

Or the rental blacklist, or any other network that shares personal information

we're using their premises, not taking their property away
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I guess it would be rather handy to know our rights in terms of this new security measure. I'm fairly sure tho, if I say "no you can't scan my id" they'll just tell me "no you can't come into our club"
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we're using their premises, not taking their property away

is it more like, going to the real estate and giving your license to the agent so you can look at rental properties?
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it's easy.

if you don't want your ID scanned, you won't get in.

work out your priorities and either bite the bullet or go somewhere else (barsoma for instance.)
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is it more like, going to the real estate and giving your license to the agent so you can look at rental properties?

yeah pretty much. I haven't had to give out my ID for looking at rentals though
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yeah pretty much. I haven't had to give out my ID for looking at rentals though

i've had to leave $50 for a key. but i assume they understand u need to keep your lisence to legally drive to the property ;P

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i've had to leave $50 for a key. but i assume they understand u need to keep your lisence to legally drive to the property ;P

yeah they used to do that a number of years ago. I'm finding that most agents prefer to have set times (lol) where you view the property when they're onsite
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I fail to see the difference between this, and your local video shop

Or the rental blacklist, or any other network that shares personal information


But if you rent more than 5 DVD's in a short period of time, do they blacklist you as a DVD pirate and stop you hiring from other places?
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There is no way in hell anyone should trust a private company's word when it comes to your privacy, particularly a hotelier!

Before handing over your ID at a venue, ask yourself:

  • What security measures are in place to protect my personal information?
  • Can I trust this venue to have electronic encryption to a standard high enough to stop security breaches? (If your answer is yes, you are naive as to how easy it is for criminals to hack any networked system - not to mention rogue employees)
  • Can this venue guarantee the safety of my personal information? If yes, what procedures do they have in place to compensate you if that guarantee is broken?
  • Can I request a copy of the information you hold on me at any time?
  • How long is my personal information held for? How can this venue guarantee that my information will be deleted?
I'm sure you can guess what the answers to most would be, although I would be delighted if a Bickle representative would answer them for us. In summary, you would have to be a dolt to hand over your ID at a Bickle venue. Don't stand for it - I've been in many nightclubs all over the world and not once has my ID been scanned. You don't need to have yours scanned either.


a bit rich considering your posting about privacy issues on the internet. if someone wants your information theyre going to get it. this instance is no different from you filling out a registration form for ebay or facebook or even ITM. furthermore what information is actually being passed?? looking at my 18+ card my name, DOB, gender and photo are being used.. wow! i didnt realise that was such sensitive information. not to mention the fact that most ppl here who actually frequent a bickle venue already has their information stored from newsletters, membership and competitions. even from a brief look at your profile custaro i know what you look like, what you do, where you work. that more information than any venue will get from my id. what about your ebay account, flybys card, your gloria jeans membership all of which have the same information and are being retained by organisations far less worried about the saftey of your information than the Katarzyna group.

i think its a fair idea. if it stops the rough cu#ts from coming into particular venues then great. if your not doing the wrong thing then you have NOTHING to worry about. lets not also forget the several federal laws such as the public records act that prohibit any release of private information, which as a result could spell the end of the dynasty so why would they take risk in fuc#ing that up?? clearly your ignorance and false conception of how business work has led you to belive what your saying.
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[quote=custaro][*]Can I trust this venue to have electronic encryption to a standard high enough to stop security breaches? (If your answer is yes, you are naive as to how easy it is for criminals to hack any networked system - not to mention rogue employees)

you actually said it yourself. it IS that easy! but considering this information would be kept in-house it would be FAAAAAR easier to obtain this information and more by simply driving by your house and jacking onto your wireless network, 3G network etc. mate you need to wlecome yourself to the 21st century.... nothing is original... nothing is sacred... and.... nothing is private!


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nothing is original... nothing is sacred... and.... nothing is private!

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same goes for lie detection. innocent people are often mistaken for crimes.

all they do i pick up with you reacted to teh question, and just because you didn't commit the crime does not mean you'll sit calmly through a test.

the only way to do effective lie detection is give them a multi choice quiz eg "how much was stolen at the event, a) $100, b) 200 etc etc. and if you have the ciminal they will often trigger at facts of the crime. so the rate of false positive (innocent people as quilty) is totally reduced, but because the rate of detecting criminal is slightly lower, they refuse to use it

I have to pull you up on this sideways rant. Lie detectors are not accepted by any court in Australia due to their unreliability. You're being a bit alarmist on this count.

My concern with the ID scan is that it won't work as it is supposed to.
EG: Say you punch someone and get booted out onto the street, the bouncers can't demand your ID to scan while their chucking you out. I really don't think they're going to trawl back through security footage to match your face up with the image they scanned from your drivers licence photo (which was taken 5 years ago, in happier times, before you had a haircut).

Having said that - the murder at the Alex HIlls hotel a couple of months ago WAS solved by police meticulously reviewing footage and ID scans. This was a very serious matter and the process probably took days, but hey thats a murder not a smack in the chops.

ID scans WILL allow them to ban people who they classify as "drug dealers" as long as they leave more than 4 or 5 times. I can understand that this would obviously be a priority as it cuts into liquor sales revenue but again I don't think it would be very effective.
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ID scans WILL allow them to ban people who they classify as "drug dealers" as long as they leave more than 4 or 5 times. I can understand that this would obviously be a priority as it cuts into liquor sales revenue but again I don't think it would be very effective.

Well that's a bit shit. I'm in and out of Empire most Saturday nights on a rather frequent scale... it might be okay for me as the door people recognise me as the missus of one of the DJs, but still...I think that it's a fairly flimsy excuse!
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you actually said it yourself. it IS that easy! but considering this information would be kept in-house it would be FAAAAAR easier to obtain this information and more by simply driving by your house and jacking onto your wireless network, 3G network etc. mate you need to wlecome yourself to the 21st century.... nothing is original... nothing is sacred... and.... nothing is private!

You're right, anybody can drive by my house and raid my mail, if they're that keen to steal my identity.

But at the end of the day, what I leave in my mailbox is my responsibility, and so is the personal information I leave about myself online.

Being forced to hand over my photo identification which is then kept on record with no guarantee of its safety, along with the records of thousands of others, is much different. I'm a paying customer, I believe they have no right to keep that information, nor any need, and I have no faith in them whatsoever to be responsible with my data.

Be calm wookie nipple. I'm not stopping you from going to a Bickle venue. I just personally find this measure uneccessary, out of step with anything else I've seen globally, and dangerous to my privacy. I'll choose not to hand my ID over, but if you've got no probs with it, knock yourself out mate.
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Well that's a bit shit. I'm in and out of Empire most Saturday nights on a rather frequent scale... it might be okay for me as the door people recognise me as the missus of one of the DJs, but still...I think that it's a fairly flimsy excuse!


So he keeps leaving his "records" in the car, right?
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Originally Posted by hatzornotahat

So he keeps leaving his "records" in the car, right?

if it's not one thing its another... we need another stylus, need more RCAs, need another S-Video cable and because we live in the Valley I get the lovely task of running home to grab these things. Or maybe I'm dealing drugs... WHO KNOWS :p
Ya baloney
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