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Hey guys, I'm looking for some beta testers for software I'm releasing soon.
It's an auto ip changer that will allow to you watch uk and us tv that is provided online by the licensees however has a geoblock on it.
I have a few FAQ on the landing page and a sign up forme, so I am looking for people to help with th testing.

Some will be testing and filling out a form others will just be using the service so we can see the load and the volume that our servers can handle. Either way everyone will get at least 2 weeks free use..

So for now I need some testers. Get Holly
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Bit of a derail, how do you think your product compares with established products like Strong VPN?
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For one you have to manually add your ip addresses when changing to a us service, then change it again to go to a uk service, our software does that automatically.
The speed we provide is pretty dam fast, and as we get more servers it will get faster.
This is also a client side app, so you're not going to a website which I frames your desired content.
Lastly, the way that we present the content is vastly superior...

So how do we compare..... Well I think we're pretty much the best. Yes I am biased.
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How are you going to be able to resist the strong arm of the copyright industry when they find out what you are doing?
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By resist you mean are we actually breaking the law.?... yes we will resist, as there are currently no precedents or applicable laws that define circumvention of geo blocking as illegal in our country. We are not providing links to pirated, self hosted or copyright infringing material. we are sending the viewers to the licenced or creators website to view their freely published tv.

Think of it as going to the ABC Iview websites around the world.

We're actully working on a plan to make copyright infringment a thing of the past (it's a long term plan) but, we want to make it so much easier to go to the places that own the copyright and view their content legally than it is to pirate it.
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no, by resist I mean on infringing on copyright, which is not the same as breaking the law.

As you might know, there are several lawsuits in the USA right now against companies who provide technologies which merely timeshift freely available TV and sports broadcasts.
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so the netflix / hulu subscription is included when we sign up to this service?

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I'll give it a crack. Looks like a lot of the tough questions are already being asked, so I'll be watching for the responses.

In the meantime, let's see what it can do.
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no, by resist I mean on infringing on copyright, which is not the same as breaking the law.

As you might know, there are several lawsuits in the USA right now against companies who provide technologies which merely timeshift freely available TV and sports broadcasts.

i'm pretty sure it's legal currently though, to timeshift free to air tv.
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in this country.
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but if it was illegal how can you use tivo?
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Seems totally not legal, especially when you advertise on your home page the purpose of your software is to watch hulu/netflix which isn't legally available in australia.

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The nextflix and hulu subscriptions are not included in the service but we have the means to allow you to get either of both services pretty hassle free. you can also get, spotify, amazon on demand, blockbuster, Itunes us and so on.....

We also do not time shift, record or anything like that at all. all we do is port your computer through our server in the US or the UK allowing you to use the legal services that are denied to us in ever other country but those.

That's all we are doing but we are doing ti very well!
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While your software isn't illegal (bit torrent argument) the purpose you are marketing it for is. Don't you think this is a little stupid?

You don't see FREE WAREZ on the uTorrent home page

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No, it is not illegal to use a proxy to get around geo-blocking restrictions. as the laws stand the only thing is that you are going against the TOS of sites like HULU or Netflix and at last look breaking a websites terms of service are not a criminal offence.
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^ Agreed, TOS and law are different things.

[edit] I believe there have been rulings that deemed region restriction of DVD and Bluray to be anti-competitive, and region circumvention to be lawful. (Too busy to search). I for one am willing to apply these precedents to digital media in good faith.

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It's not against the law to download copyright music either.

It's a civil violation.

Doesn't stop the police acting as corporate proxies.
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And while companies like Hulu get more money from their advertising and their subscription base increases who do you think will complain? what about Netflix, will they complain as subscriber pay for their services... I doubt it, the only ones to complain will be the local licencee of the content like the Free to air channels and they are so far behind online that i would be surprised if they know how to send an email.

If the local services like the Free to airs actually thought ahead and hosted their content online we wouldn't need these sort of services, even if foxtel provided an online service (one that didn't need you to have a cable subscription as well) then we could view content like most people actually want to.

Like most Australian & New Zealand content providers they have so much fear of the online that they will do anything to not be in the space, thus making this sort of service necessary and piracy just as rampant as always. (I mention NZ becasue we have a fair amount of interest from there)

This is just an answer to the way that consumers want to have their content delivered.
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The nextflix and hulu subscriptions are not included

so basically holly is reselling the service to regions it is not currently available? what happens when netflix comes to australia and holly is no longer required?

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my guess is a writ of cease and desist
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That is a good question you Big Groovy Fucker,

Firstly no, we're not reselling their services, we are selling the ability to use their services. Think of it as, we are the cable that goes to your tv, and Hulu is foxtel, we just give you the pipes is all..

Netflix and Hulu will both be coming to Australia at some point yes, and we do not intend on always being a geo-blocking-circumvention-tool. We will have our own content to view, as well as licencing other content and delivering free online content, BUT, it's the way that we are going to do all of that, which makes us different.

it's a way off yet and to fund the development of our service this is what we are doing, so yeah that's it really...
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So how does this product differ from www.unblock-us.com

Also, obviously circumventing geoblock isnt illegal otherwise a "here's how you do it" article posted in teh smh the other day would never have made it passed the editor.
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Sheesh, either beta test for the guy or don't be a dick.

Don't act like you wouldn't use it.
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You know there's GUI apps that run for free right?

Oh wait... that's already been mentioned.
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That is a good question you Big Groovy Fucker

well i hope the business model proves to be viable long-term. anyway mate good on ya for starting up your own venture, i'll get on board the beta test and maybe provide some useful feedback down the track.

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what does it have different from every other vpn or geo blocking work around? .... every single one of them make you change your ip your self but I'm sure that I have alrady said that.

If you're interested in being ina beta test then put your email in the fom on the site and i'll get in touch, if not well, wait till the bugs are worked out.
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So how does this product differ from www.unblock-us.com

they do it better than the others, did you miss that pitch?
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they do it better than the others, did you miss that pitch?


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anyway, why would I get this service when I can have a simple VPN service like VPN Authority or www.seed.st/vpn ?
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^ That looks like a nice little client. I think the avatar covered that question though.

Sod it, might sign up for the beta and see for myself.
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It's just that when wearing my enterprise IT architecture hat, a VPN client meets the goals of simplicity, scalability and performance quite easily. Having a centralized service that routes all traffic seems ... um ... messy, and the necessity of providing scope for targeted advertising and recommendations means some sort of back end tracking of user activity, which always is a danger in this grey area of copyright.
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I'm still confused, the PPTP VPN that I use to America is simple and never let me down, I don't see why a third party application could improve on that. In the third post, I don't understand "content is vastly superior". To me I understand it as someone selling me a NetComm telling me that it's vastly superior at HTTP traffic.
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Let me put this in the simplest way I can.

Your current VPN allows you to watch content from the US, only after you manually edit your settings and then edit them again when you want to browse normally.

You will also need a second VPN to watch content from the UK as well.

Meaning you need to subscribe to two VPNs or get multiple IP addresses...

Our system.

Open program, click the image of the show you want to watch (it is in a feed) = watch show no matter where.

That's it. US and UK content one payment, one click.

Does that make it simpler than dealing with a VPN?... what if you're our target market and you don't know what a vpn is... or how to change your ip address?

I am not trying to sell this to people who know how to do that, as you will be asking why is this system better?

we are trying to sell to people who just want a ONE CLICK APPLICATION.

I am asking for beta testers from people who may actually test the limits of the software so when the target market use it, the system is robust.

I am not trying to sell to you guys as you're not my target market.... your non-tech mates and relatives are... the ones who don't care or want to care about a vpn, they just want to watch their shows...
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http://seed.st/vpn

just start the client, choose the country (US east coast, US west coast, UK, France, NL, HK) and bang, you have your VPN to the destination of your choice. Simple.

It's a one select, one click application. Don't need to know about what a VPN is.

I do see your point though. seed.st is developed by the guys at supertorrent, so is never going to show up high on search engines or feature in Qantas Magazine or PC world. Your application might be simpler for the non tech.

But then again, won't non tech people just wait for it on TV or buy Foxtel?

Not deliberately trying to be a prick here, but unless you have people pointing out negative aspects early on, you could waste a lot of money. I hope you have success, but I can't see it as a solution for me.
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well dbb618, holly is cheaper, so it's still better. what else ya got?
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@the avatar - Ohhh... So you enter your Hulu/etc details into the application and it pushes through thumbnails that you can click without VPN/proxy settings? That does sound pretty sweet, good luck with testing.
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I pretty much got this, obviously not everyone did, but that wasn't their fault. All you've really said about it up to this point is that it's a VPN with an IP switcher, and something vague about presenting content. A screenshot in the OP (although I realise you have to handle that carefully) would have sold the shit out of it and saved a lot of repetitive questions.

Anyway I've signed up. Look forward to testing.
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http://seed.st/vpn

just start the client, choose the country (US east coast, US west coast, UK, France, NL, HK) and bang, you have your VPN to the destination of your choice. Simple.

It's a one select, one click application. Don't need to know about what a VPN is.

I do see your point though. seed.st is developed by the guys at supertorrent, so is never going to show up high on search engines or feature in Qantas Magazine or PC world. Your application might be simpler for the non tech.

But then again, won't non tech people just wait for it on TV or buy Foxtel?

Not deliberately trying to be a prick here, but unless you have people pointing out negative aspects early on, you could waste a lot of money. I hope you have success, but I can't see it as a solution for me.

Devils advocate... I'm hearing ya.

I'm pretty confident of what we have to be honest so if it works excellent, if it doesn't then no big loss.

We do have something over foxtail in the pipeline and while it's a number of versions down the road, we're pretty confident that it's going to screw the big boys pretty royally... Well that's what I am hoping to do anyway.
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@the avatar - Ohhh... So you enter your Hulu/etc details into the application and it pushes through thumbnails that you can click without VPN/proxy settings? That does sound pretty sweet, good luck with testing.

Were taking a parsed rss feed from Hulu and other us services (just Hulu to start) and presenting that in a feed... Same with bbc.

You click the image, software assigns you the appropriate lowest loaded port. ........ Then you're there.
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I pretty much got this, obviously not everyone did, but that wasn't their fault. All you've really said about it up to this point is that it's a VPN with an IP switcher, and something vague about presenting content. A screenshot in the OP (although I realise you have to handle that carefully) would have sold the shit out of it and saved a lot of repetitive questions.

Anyway I've signed up. Look forward to testing.

I am giving a lot away as it is but yeah I agree that a screen would have been better.... We're still working on that though and the beta uni will be a different from the public release so that's kinda why I didn't want it out in the wild just yet.
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