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So you'd think that since I've been listening to dance music for near a decade that I'd be able to beat count and I sort of can (i think) Now I'm about to go out and spend $2k on some DJ gear and I don't have a musical bone in my body. Just wondering if anyone has any links to any beat counting tutorials online or something that could help me out. Would be greatly appreciated. I'm super keen to learn to beat count/mix/match but as I said i'm not musically gifted having never played instrument in my life. I just want to get a base before I go and spurlge $2k and hopefully I hang with it and don't soft cock it out after a few months and sell the equipment cause it's too hard. Any help greatly appreciated.

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just think in lots of 4.

unless you're playing DnB, then it gets a little more technical.....

there was a thread on this recently.

i studied music theory for 2 years and played instruments all my life, but all it takes is locking yourself in a dark room with speakers and your gear for a week or so....
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just think in lots of 4.

unless you're playing DnB, then it gets a little more technical.....

there was a thread on this recently.

i studied music theory for 2 years and played instruments all my life, but all it takes is locking yourself in a dark room with speakers and your gear for a week or so....

Dnb is still 4/4 music so I wonder how it is more technical? Nearly all electronic music is in lots of 4 though, listen to a song and count how many bars between introducing a new sound or a turnaround in a major part of the track... Usually a phrase is 64 beats, with the intro/outro of a song being 4 lots of 64 beats. Mixing the intro with the outro is the fail safe method....
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Hey Cruisy,

Before you can beat match and mix, here is what you can practise, because it is really the basis.
Take a song that is not too fast probably around 125 bpm, and one that you like preferably.
Make sure it is not one that start with voice only, but a song that start directly with a clean drum pattern. Now on the first drum sound count 1, then 2 on the second, 3 on the third and finally 4 on the fourth, then on the five start back at 1 then 2 3 4 and back again on 1 2 3 4 until the end of the song. Now while you do that listen to how those 1234 and what happen each time you start back at 1. Depending on the song, it can sound like a loop or you can have distinctive part for about 4 to 8 x (1234) (1234=a bar or a measure) and then it start again with the same phrase. Note if you start with a song that has 16 beat of drums you might not get to recognise anything before the instrument start to be introduced. This take practise but once you get it, you can start the song 3/4 from the end and try to pick up and recognise the first beat (the 1 before 2 3 4). Once you get this, it definitely makes it easier to beat match, then mixing. Mixing on the other hand is also something that can be a simple as a cross fade, or with lots of practise you can make very creative mixing using the eq etcl..., but there is no point until you can count and recognise the first beat.
If you can't recognise the first beat, then you will have 1 chance in 4 of doing a clean matched mix, as you will not be able to recognise the 1 and might be launching your song on the 2 3 4 which will sound horrible.
Once you get a few of hours of practising counting you'll pickup the rythm and will not really need to cound anymore, is just going to be automatic, you will kind of recognise the first beat just by dropping and lifting your head to the sound.
Out of curiosity just tell me which song you intend to practise on first, then of course you will have to practise on different songs with different speeds.
You can read all you want and all the tutorials in the world, but you have to put in the practise effort.

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Thanks for that, super helpful
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LOL try to avoid counting if you can. Essentially you want to be able to "feel" the cue points as they arrive. If you have been listening to dance music for ages as you say you have you will already have a good "feel" for song structure. Long drawn out explanations of this are only gonna confuse you. Do as has been mentioned. Lock yourself away until it "clicks"

Then you will realise how piss easy it really is.

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Avoiding to count is not going to help if he does not know how to recognise the first beat of every measure (bar). You could have listened to music for hundred years, if you don't know what is it that you are looking for isn't going to change anything nor help you. Counting helps you hearing that change every 4 beats, when you start to notice that first beat and how it changes every 4 beats the counting goes away, and you don't need to count anymore because you are able to will feel it, it just click like that, an you get it (Look no hands!!!). Just my opinion. If you are properly taught then this is very very quick in a matter of minutes you can get it. I guess it is not always easy to get it if you do not have any musical background and so it is important to have a least a minimum of basic knowledge about this, it does help a lot at the end.

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Counting helps you hearing that change every 4 beats, when you start to notice that first beat and how it changes every 4 beats the counting goes away, and you don't need to count anymore because you are able to will feel it, it just click like that, an you get it (Look no hands!!!).

Hehehehe a change every 4 beats ey?

Sorry - but sitting there going "1, 2, 3, 4," is really IMO like a formality. Sure it seems right but it isnt necessary. If one starts relying on counting suddenly a small break out the 4/4 structure is going to throw them right off - and confusion will ensue.

Just listening to tunes from start to finish (intro to outro) will start giving somone the "feel" - simply because the sequencing of events will make is so obvious. Did you think that the only thing indicating a drop point was 32/64 beat intervals? No - theres plenty of other far more useful indicators. I spend alot of time trying to teach people this and 9 times out of ten counting just leads them to frustration.

If they can recognise the drop points on feel alone they are already well on their way to understanding song structure... and it will weed out the potentials from the hopelesses IMO

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EDIT: Best advice i can give is find somone who can mix and bring along a double headphone jack. Will really open your eyes to what is going on behind the cans.

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Counting let you understand what is happening every 4 beats (You do not just count but mostly listen to what is happening as you get to 1 everytime). Counting goes away very quickly once you know what is happening. As you said you will feel it, but before you can feel it you have to understand it and be able to know where it is.
Sure you can drop anytime on the first beat anywhere so long you know it is the first one.
I like to drop at 128 beats of the outro, 32 is actually to short for me, as you know there are no rules, the only rule is that it as too sound good...
If people get frustrated counting from 1 to 4, that says a lot about their will. Once you get in the rhythm a break is nothing, because your internal clock is still counting (even though you are not counting).
When you have done this for long, surely everything seems so obvious, but when you just begin it's rather a rough ride.
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Counting 4 beats is sweet, for me it's more knowing when the 16 or 32 or whatever and the time to drop in a track. That's the difficulty for me at the mo
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Dnb is still 4/4 music so I wonder how it is more technical? Nearly all electronic music is in lots of 4 though, listen to a song and count how many bars between introducing a new sound or a turnaround in a major part of the track... Usually a phrase is 64 beats, with the intro/outro of a song being 4 lots of 64 beats. Mixing the intro with the outro is the fail safe method....

not all DnB is 4/4 time signiture.
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You're playing trance so the first beat is the one the cymbal crashes on
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Cruisy,

You definitely don't want to drop on the 16 beats outro as this is only 8 seconds of mixing for songs of around 128bpm, if you need to nudge might only leave you 4 seconds of mixing, now if you mean to match the musical phrase that is another story. Just practise long mix anything from 30 seconds to 1 minuite, it will make you better.

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So farkin funny ppl trin 2 explain how 2 mix on a forum dude just practice and eventually you will get it, or just come over 2 my place and I will farkin teach ya
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Hey Cruisy,

I think you should definitely take the offer of DJ Oldfart, nothing beats someone showing you the stuff for real, DJ Oldfart is a farking dj god...lol

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intro/outro mixing is so 2000
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intro/outro mixing is so 2000

Yeah I prefer outro/intro
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Yeah I prefer outro/intro
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HAHAHA have fun with that *shakes head and giggles
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either way i'm gunna have to figure it out cause i just purchased some new cdj 200's
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It would absolutely do my head in to have to mentally count beats every time I were to mix 'dance' music.

Think about it:

1,2,3,4,2,2,3,4,3,2,3,4,4,2,3,4,5,2,3,4,6,2,3,4,7, 2,3,4,8,2,3,4,9,2,3,4,10,2,3,4,11,2,3,4,12,2,3,4,1 3,2,3,4,14,2,3,4,15,2,3,416,2,3,4 (half way there now) 17,2,3,4,18,2,3,4,19,2,3,4,20,2,3,4,21,2,3,4,22,2, 3,4,23,2,3,4,24,2,3,4,26,2,3,4,27,2,3,4,28,2,3,4,2 9,2,3,4,30,2,3,4,31,2,3,4,32,2,3,4...

"Quick, drop in the next track.... SH!T fumbled on the 'start' button... DOUBLE SH!T gotta start counting again... TRIPLE SH!T didn't start counting from the first new beat"

Can't you 'hear' the musical changes coming without actually counting?

I know there'll be some tracks with minimal aural cues where it helps to count (or where the producer is working in bars of 7 ), however, it should really be a something that you'll get a feel for.
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Counting helps people with no music theory knowlege be aware of the musical changes, when people start to understand the need to count goes away. Just like like learning how to ride a bike...dady holds you so you get comfortable, then dady let go...bastard...
You don't want to be counting all the time...you will get nowhere...

Anyway Cruisy, practise makes perfect with good advices...I suggest watching a bit of videos there: www.djtutor.com and experiment, beat matching and all this stuff is not hard...what is hard is being creative...so lots of experiment to do...

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Counting helps people with no music theory knowlege be aware of the musical changes, when people start to understand the need to count goes away.


Missing the point buddy – there is no need to count in the first place – as there are plenty of other far easier-to-use indicators within the music itself to mark what you call “musical changes”.

That is all.

EDIT: ^^^ Now i see the piccie hahahahaha

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IMO (if it counts for anything)....

U should direct MOST/ALL your time into beat mixing (along with level matching). If u can't beat mix, u could be playing 2 toones that go together better than george bush and a noose, but if they're not beat mixed, putting in a mix cd and shaking your hands like u just don't care may be the only option =P

So as a 4-point approach...

1) beat matching
2) level matching
3) track matching
4) key matching

and if u can get an opportunity to play with someone who knows how to play, bonus!

It seems to have worked for me =)

... so far ....

... so what ...
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Missing the point buddy – there is no need to count in the first place – as there are plenty of other far easier-to-use indicators within the music itself to mark what you call “musical changes”.

That is all.

EDIT: ^^^ Now i see the piccie hahahahaha

Buddy you are the one missing the point, are you a newbie? Well I guess not. You seem to think you have to count every time, how do you think Cruisy boy is gonna know what the indicators are??? are you going to tell him or Is he going to guess them??? Counting will help him get to know where these indicators are very very quickly, before this thread is over
hopefully...it is very easy when you have experience, but when you don't it is another story. Some people take out DJing and they don't even know what a blooddy chord is, they don't know a whole lot of shit about music and structure, that is what distinguish them from you...
If you can teach Cruisy how to feel it...then do it, I find it a bit easy to go "oh you have to feel it"...how do you teach people how to fucking feel something???

I guess another one with an attitude problem...

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how do you teach people how to fucking feel something???

Get them to listen to tracks from start to finish unmixed. After going through a couple of whole intro's and outro's with all their cymbals, reverse rides, breaks, sample drops etc etc marking the very points you suggest they count their way to they'll soon get the idea. And in a way that is entirely less confusing.

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You're playing trance so the first beat is the one the cymbal crashes on


tee hee !!

serioulsy now ... best piece of advice so far has been ...

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Originally Posted by FH_Jimbob

Just listening to tunes from start to finish (intro to outro) will start giving somone the "feel" - simply because the sequencing of events will make is so obvious..


first and foremost ... KNOW YOUR TUNES


This whole debate over counting bars/beats is a non-event.

Screw it ...

Don't count ... just tap your foot ... get into the groove. Ever watched a DJ mixing behind the decks and noticed them get their shuffle on ? It's more than just an effect of the funky tunes


Knowing your tracks and getting into the groove are 2 things that don't require cognisant maths skills ... just passion ! But they will help you know where you are in a track and where you can drop/mix the next.

Now let's look at beat mixing eh ...

It was somewhere on these forums i read a brilliant process of honing your beat matching that i mused over for a bit and have subsequently taken to be my standard methodology

taking a couple of records approximately the same tempo (i.e. not a drum n bass track and a slow house track). Now, as you have TRACK A playing you're going to want to figure out where TRACK B is in relation to it in regards to BPM

lets say as you're playing TRACK A ... while its grooving away, find a point on TRACK B where you've got a good drum sound to go off and match the beats with. Using high hats and snares to sync beats is more reliable and easier than trying to use a bassline or kick drum.

what you need to do is have your headphones and speakers sorted so you can clearly hear (but not too loudly) the TRACK B in your headphones ... now drop it (press play or let the record go) over the beginning of any bar in TRACK A ... if they are the same genre (or artists) you might find that they are very close to being matched already.

this is where the fun/brain damage starts.

you've got to come to grips with being able to tell which track is slipping which way ... i.e. which track is faster/slower ... this only takes practice and training your ear. Simple ... no great mysteries or tricks of the trade here ... just practice ... and you'll nail it in the bedroom ... but the first time you step out into a large loud venue ... this will get blown clear out of the water ... but i digress.

So you have TRACK A and TRACK B that you've just dropped over each other ... keep your ears on TRACK B ... is it slower ? or is it faster??

either way ... you're going to have to work the pitch control

here's the magic trick i learnt which i still use today and will give you the ability to do some more off the cuff and quicker kinda mixes.

Too fast ? Slide the pitch down about 4 of what ever the increments are on your slider ... after this you'll probably find its too damn slow (if not slider it further ... but give it time to catch up) now ... then pitch it back up to a distance of about 75% to where the slider was initially (so if you started on 0 ... you would've intially gone down to -4 ... then back up to -1 ) ... too slow ? pitch it up 75% of what you pitched it up the 1st time (would take you to about -1.5ish) ... too fast ? pitch it down 75% (to about approx -3.5) . repeat, repeat, repeat ... etc (swap fast and slow where applicable in this example obviously)

What this process does is give you narrower and narrower range on your pitch slider where the beats match. use your ears and your eyes

sounds long and complex ... but if you know your tunes and you're in the groove. .. you can lock a track with this technique very very bloody quickly ...
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So you'd think that since I've been listening to dance music for near a decade that I'd be able to beat count and I sort of can (i think) Now I'm about to go out and spend $2k on some DJ gear and I don't have a musical bone in my body. Just wondering if anyone has any links to any beat counting tutorials online or something that could help me out. Would be greatly appreciated. I'm super keen to learn to beat count/mix/match but as I said i'm not musically gifted having never played instrument in my life. I just want to get a base before I go and spurlge $2k and hopefully I hang with it and don't soft cock it out after a few months and sell the equipment cause it's too hard. Any help greatly appreciated.

This must sound so amateur!


Yea im jus starting out too and I had no clue a couple of months back but i decided to do a dj course for $500 and it was really helpful, it taught me everything i needed to no with cdjs and vinyl and even showd me a bit bout beat juggling/scratching/production etc, i suggest u do a similar course cause its fkn worthwile thats for sure, i learnt stuff in weeks that could hav taken up to a year i reckon, n e way mate thats my 2 cents, enjoy.
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first and foremost ... KNOW YOUR TUNES


This whole debate over counting bars/beats is a non-event.

omg what is this world coming to.. i agree with funk.

very well said.

counting is way overrated. i consider myself a decent dj and ive never counted a beat in my life. Listen to the music.. REALLY listen to the music.. FEEL the music... KNOW your music.. and you will know when the perfect time to drop the new track is
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here's the magic trick i learnt which i still use today and will give you the ability to do some more off the cuff and quicker kinda mixes.

Too fast ? Slide the pitch down about 4 of what ever the increments are on your slider ... after this you'll probably find its too damn slow (if not slider it further ... but give it time to catch up) now ... then pitch it back up to a distance of about 75% to where the slider was initially (so if you started on 0 ... you would've intially gone down to -4 ... then back up to -1 ) ... too slow ? pitch it up 75% of what you pitched it up the 1st time (would take you to about -1.5ish) ... too fast ? pitch it down 75% (to about approx -3.5) . repeat, repeat, repeat ... etc (swap fast and slow where applicable in this example obviously)

What this process does is give you narrower and narrower range on your pitch slider where the beats match. use your ears and your eyes

sounds long and complex ... but if you know your tunes and you're in the groove. .. you can lock a track with this technique very very bloody quickly ...

when i first read this i thought.. no f*cking way.. beatmatching using only the pitch fader and not nudging the record is waaaay harder. However.. ive had a think about it.. and your method makes a lot of sense. Very clever.. im going to try it now!
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welll after all the pitch riding ... when it's pretty much locked in, i will give it a nudge if it slips out.
But this also depends on the tracks im mixing ... and how ...

i mean .. if i'm cutting between 2 breaks track ... i'll happily give the record a nudge for that half a bar before i flip the fader back to the track.

But if i have 2 tracks i'm doing a long smooth mix with .. you can't beat riding the pitch. Especially when you have some kind of high pitched string or pad ... you reallllly notice that nudge with those sounds ... so the subtle change of riding the pitch is much prefered

it does sound a but daunting and tricky, but as with any other technique, it's just a matter of practice practice practice and it'll be as second nature as any other habits.

But then again, you also get those days when you're just NOT in the groove and no amount of tricks, tips or techniques will save you
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when i first read this i thought.. no f*cking way.. beatmatching using only the pitch fader and not nudging the record is waaaay harder. However.. ive had a think about it.. and your method makes a lot of sense. Very clever.. im going to try it now!

Its called pitch riding....



EDIT: oh - been mentioned hahaha

"massaging" the beat mix with the pitch fader is also very slick as over long mixes. Love it.

Its also, IMO, the optimal way to mix 33's.

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"But then again, you also get those days when you're just NOT in the groove and no amount of tricks, tips or techniques will save you "

So so so true. When your not in the groove beatmatching becomes so mechanical and can take so much longer. When you have got your groove on mixing and beat matching become a living, breathing, riding kind of thing. much more instinctive. All your cuts and tweaks move with the music.
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Too fast ? Slide the pitch down about 4 of what ever the increments are on your slider ... after this you'll probably find its too damn slow (if not slider it further ... but give it time to catch up) now ... then pitch it back up to a distance of about 75% to where the slider was initially (so if you started on 0 ... you would've intially gone down to -4 ... then back up to -1 ) ... too slow ? pitch it up 75% of what you pitched it up the 1st time (would take you to about -1.5ish) ... too fast ? pitch it down 75% (to about approx -3.5) . repeat, repeat, repeat ... etc (swap fast and slow where applicable in this example obviously)

I think its easier to do it like this

Cup up on beat, now when you hear the cued up track is going out of beat in your headphones, change the pitch up or down, then cue up again. Keep doing this and then finally you should cue up and they should go BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM together all at once.


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^^^ no no seriously - the method funkedub suggested is the bomb way to do it. Although i will admit it isnt for the rank out beginner.


The easiest way IMO is find out which sort of nudging you are best at (either slowing down or speeding up) and then get the track you are mixing in and purposefully make it too slow/fast. Then keep nudging it in time whilst slowly incrementally adjusting the pitch in the correct direction - baby baby steps - until finally you will reach the sweet spot spot on. This way you take the guesswork out of "too slow" or "too fast" - you should essentially find the right bpm without going past it.

You shouldnt have to keep returning to your cue point IMO. But if your trainwreckin in your cans beyond control... well.. of course you'll hafta! hehehe!


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I think its easier to do it like this

Cup up on beat, now when you hear the cued up track is going out of beat in your headphones, change the pitch up or down, then cue up again.


see .. the problem here is .. you keep having to go back and cue the track. This takes time .. every time you have to go back and cue the track, you lose another 4-8 bars you could be mixing into.


with the method i outlined you can drop a track and bring it in STRAIGHT AWAY ... and if you're tuned in and riding the pitch you can get the 2 tracks locked in and mixing them in less than 8 bars

in the meantime, with your method, you're still going back to the beginning of the track to try and beat match it

drop it ... ride it ...
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Correct me if i am wrong but i have been DJing for 1 year now, and what you are saying DJD1is that you count the snares in a song as well as kicks, am i correct? Becuase acording to what i do which works every time is you count the kicks only in a song and as you get to the kick number 4 or 8 or 16 there will be a symbol smash or double kick etc to signal a new beat bar.

Pretty much if you want to lean to count beats, get a song, from the start cue it at a kick.

And nod your head for every kick counting each kick as you do. You will soon realise as you get to the 4th kick, 8th kick or 16th kick that a symbol smash or whatever will occur showing a new bar.

I agree 110 percent with Jim bob about the fact that you will soon feel the music and be able to tell when to push the play botton to get it on a new bar, its just practice mate. Atm though just count every so often to get the idea of when a new bar is going to occur.

Just have fun and mix each to there own style.
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see .. the problem here is .. you keep having to go back and cue the track. This takes time .. every time you have to go back and cue the track, you lose another 4-8 bars you could be mixing into.


with the method i outlined you can drop a track and bring it in STRAIGHT AWAY ... and if you're tuned in and riding the pitch you can get the 2 tracks locked in and mixing them in less than 8 bars

in the meantime, with your method, you're still going back to the beginning of the track to try and beat match it

drop it ... ride it ...


but with vinyl just hold it on the 4th beat and let go, once mixed just put the needle back to the start and bang let go and its locked, that takes like 2 seconds


and with cds i guess by pressing cue it takes you back to the start, its not that hard


for a beginnner my way is alot easier to tell a difference because you drop it and itll be on beat from the start and fade away and then you can tell the differene in pitch increment from there.

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dont count the beats at all.. counting is a waste of time and there is no need for it. Just makes things way more confusing. Ive heard of a dj actually physically counting the beats. Counting is only useful for a raw beginner who is learning to understand the structure of 4x4 dance music.

feel the music and u wont need to count.

ive even trained my GF to be able to detect when a new phrase is starting! Once u lisen to a lot of music, and really focus on the structure of the track.. you will get it. Its a piece of piss.

I think the problem is most people who dont DJ and just enjoy dance music, have never really listened closely to a track before and actually concentrated on what is happening in the song and how it is structured.
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but with vinyl just hold it on the 4th beat and let go, once mixed just put the needle back to the start and bang let go and its locked, that takes like 2 seconds


and with cds i guess by pressing cue it takes you back to the start, its not that hard


for a beginnner my way is alot easier to tell a difference because you drop it and itll be on beat from the start and fade away and then you can tell the differene in pitch increment from there.


i'm not really getting at how hard it might be to do quickly ... i'm getting at the point that you're losing more time on the track playing ... sure you can cue the incoming track further in ... but if you want to get in a tune ASAP and ride it for a while, taking the track back a few times to beatmix it is going to leave you at a disadvantage



so do you guys count the beat when you're dancing too ??
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you dont lose anytime on the track playing because once you have the correct pitch you just take the needle back to the start of the tune and cue up again and now it will be locked and you will just need to add slight adjustments

or press cue and pres play if your using cdjs


or do you mean when you wanna bring in a track asap, but then if u use that method you'll hear a trainwreck untill you have it beatmatched
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Correct me if i am wrong but i have been DJing for 1 year now, and what you are saying DJD1is that you count the snares in a song as well as kicks, am i correct? Becuase acording to what i do which works every time is you count the kicks only in a song and as you get to the kick number 4 or 8 or 16 there will be a symbol smash or double kick etc to signal a new beat bar.

Pretty much if you want to lean to count beats, get a song, from the start cue it at a kick.

And nod your head for every kick counting each kick as you do. You will soon realise as you get to the 4th kick, 8th kick or 16th kick that a symbol smash or whatever will occur showing a new bar.

I agree 110 percent with Jim bob about the fact that you will soon feel the music and be able to tell when to push the play botton to get it on a new bar, its just practice mate. Atm though just count every so often to get the idea of when a new bar is going to occur.

Just have fun and mix each to there own style.

I have been into music since 1984...lol...I don't need to count beats. I studied guitar and music back in 96, I am not a good guitarist for sure as a matter of fact I should have get into keyboard instead... although I am not in production I was also playing a bit with a software called New Beat Trancemission back then, I understand music structure.
The point is when nobody is there to hold your hand and explain to you you how it works, you count and then you hear exactly what is happening, once you get it, there is no need to count, because you feel it. I feel sorry for those who still physically count...
I tap my feet usually to get in the rhythm, but I hear the first beat of the bar no probs there. I have kind of that 4 beats feeling things well rooted inside me

A good point by Buey:
"I think the problem is most people who dont DJ and just enjoy dance music, have never really listened closely to a track before and actually concentrated on what is happening in the song and how it is structured."

And when people count, they understand very quickly what is going on every 4 beats, it can take not even 5 minutes to get it, then it kinds of root inside you, you don't even have to think about it. You see not everybody has the chance of having someone physically with them to teach them, just think that it makes it easier when you are on your own...sure they are unique and very gifted people that never needed to count such as some of the people above (And beyond), but not everybody is that lucky... You see you can drive a car and yet not understand how its engine work, you can buy a house and yet not understand how it is structured...with music it is the same you might have listen to it for a 100 years and yet not understand what is behind that...

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or do you mean when you wanna bring in a track asap, but then if u use that method you'll hear a trainwreck untill you have it beatmatched


indeedly doodly that's what i meant

very often tracks you're mixing are pretty close in BPM terms ... some 12" might have 4 tracks all the same speed essentially .. or at least bloody close. so it's a no brainer as to where to start with the pitch slider

to be sure just give it 4 bars in the headphones then bring it into the mix

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hey guys, i know how to count beats etc.

But i wanted to know, what do you do if you miss the first beat and play the next song either right before it or after it etc.

Cause im just using vdj now, which is all i need till i get some decks. And ive noticed that on real decks there aint no dam + or - button on the tempo like in VDJ lol.

Anyways thanks.
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just push the track along or hold it back.
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And ive noticed that on real decks there aint no dam + or - button on the tempo

Do you seriously mean on here?



No BPM counter either.

Nor effects.

No wonder vinyl is dead/dying.

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