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Just finished putting a Coopers Pale Ale into the keg, should be ready in around 5 days for bottling.

The previous 3 homebrews I've made were :

English Bitter - way better than I expected it to be. Really good.
Wheat beer - I used a can of wheat malt extract with the hopped malt can, turned out a lot sweeter than I expected. Still pretty tasty.
Sparkling Ale - I used a can of malt extract plus a crap load of extra dextrose. This is one seriously alcoholic beer. 1 x 750ml bottle knocks you about, sort of like Coopers Vintage.


Anyhow,

Coopers have re-done their website, and added a flash based home brew application where you can add your own brewery and making notes etc.

You can also win free beer for a year by setting up your own guild etc.
http://coopers.com.au/#/the-order/in...-local-chapter

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Ooh I can imagine getting right into this if only I could afford the setup.

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After the initial $100 investment in a kit, it ends up costing around $20 to $40 dollars to make 23 litres.

20 for a entry level malted hop tin + brew enhancing sugars.
40 for a premium tin + can of liquid malts.

you might get 20 litres of bottleable beer from this. Bottles are PET and reusable.

so, you can get 20 litres for average $30.

a carton of Coopers Pale costs around $40, and that is around 9 litres.
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^ Wow, I had been told that one can invest as much as a grand more than a grand for a you-beaut setup, but if I can achieve the same results from a Coopers brewkit, there doesn't seem much point.

Sounds like it pays for itself in the end and would be an awful lot of fun.

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Just finished putting a Coopers Pale Ale into the keg, should be ready in around 5 days for bottling.

The previous 3 homebrews I've made were :

English Bitter - way better than I expected it to be. Really good.
Wheat beer - I used a can of wheat malt extract with the hopped malt can, turned out a lot sweeter than I expected. Still pretty tasty.
Sparkling Ale - I used a can of malt extract plus a crap load of extra dextrose. This is one seriously alcoholic beer. 1 x 750ml bottle knocks you about, sort of like Coopers Vintage.


Anyhow,

Coopers have re-done their website, and added a flash based home brew application where you can add your own brewery and making notes etc.

You can also win free beer for a year by setting up your own guild etc.
http://coopers.com.au/#/the-order/in...-local-chapter

so, sup?

Dude, ditch Coopers cans ASAP. They might make a great beer, but their brew kits are sub-par.

Where abouts are you based? If you're in Sydney, get into these guys:

www.daveshomebrew.com.au
www.countrybrewer.com.au

I personally recommend: TCB Wetpak - American Pale. It needs to be simmered for an hour, but is awesome to the power of rad.

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Those kits look tempting ... but my home brewing is dual purpose, to make good beer and to save money. I think the Coopers high end cans make decent enough beer, what are the economics of those TCB wetpacks?
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Those kits look tempting ... but my home brewing is dual purpose, to make good beer and to save money. I think the Coopers high end cans make decent enough beer, what are the economics of those TCB wetpacks?

$40 a brew. Much the same as a premium can kit.

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My dream setup:



Fully integrated mash brewing. Who wants to lend me 6 grand?

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^ That looks absolutely awesome.

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Also, if you want to stray off the path a bit, check these out:

http://www.countrybrewer.com.au/category3_1.htm

How long are you bottle conditioning?

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I'm building up my supplies now ... so initially it was 2 weeks, but as I get more and more bottles, I'm guessing most of the latest batch would be at least 6 to 8 weeks.
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I have just done a dark wheat. I do 40l batches to fill 2x 20 ltr kegs

5kg wheat
3kg pilsner malt
1kg chocolate malt

used cascade, nelson savin & galaxy hops. Pretty nice was making it with white rabbit in mind.

Once I made the move to full grain, I can't do extract no more. They call it the extract twang. Takes a good 6 hours to do a double batch and my son got in trouble at school for bragging he makes beer with his dad!
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I have just done a dark wheat. I do 40l batches to fill 2x 20 ltr kegs

5kg wheat
3kg pilsner malt
1kg chocolate malt

used cascade, nelson savin & galaxy hops. Pretty nice was making it with white rabbit in mind.

Once I made the move to full grain, I can't do extract no more. They call it the extract twang. Takes a good 6 hours to do a double batch and my son got in trouble at school for bragging he makes beer with his dad!

Awesome. I'm hoping to make the shift this year. Going to spend to money on a keg setup first, then once my bank account recovers from that start to buy some mashing gear.

Will keep that recipe in mind, white rabbit out of a keg =

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Oh, some good advice for extract brewing: Get a Bulk priming kit. Not only great for bottling time, but something I like to due during the fermentation process is:

After the wort has fermented for 3-4 days, run it off into the second fermenter and add some finings. It means extra work, and you have to be careful of contamination, but it results in a much clearer finished beer.

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+1 for home brewing being cheap enough for being essential if you want to save money on piss. I invested in a kit just for the 6 months I was expecting to be back in NZ for just to keep myself in beer. basically if you outlay the $80 or so on a starter kit, it about pays for itself in the beer you getout of the included tin, and every brew you make after that is profit. $30 will cover the costs of a decent brew, although paying more will get you more quality. Some tips from the perspective of someone who likes decent beer, but is a lazy fuck and likes to keep it simple:
1: PET bottles are fine. Glass is nice but if you CBF investing in a bench capper, recycled coke bottles work perfectly, just buy a bag of new caps from your local home brew supplier. Stubbies are a pain in the arse, DONT bottle into anything less than 750ml bottles, it's not worth the effort.
2: Brewing should be inexpensive, not cheap. You can put down a brew for $10-$12, and get something drinkable but for $25 you can make something good. Now given that you're geting 23l per brew, I'm happy to pay another 50c or so a litre for good beer. Don't shortcut on your ingredients.
3: Following on from 2. Don't use table sugar (glucose) for primary fermentation. Dextrose is okay, but I prefer a mixture of dextrose, maltodextrin and light malt, it gives the beer more body and flavour. Prepacked "brew enhancer" mixtures are good.
4: Spend a bit extra on good brew kits (tins). The basic Coopers tins are crap, although their premium one are better. Black Rock are good (drinking a patch of the Pale Ale now, very nice) and ESB (who do 3kg tins that require no extra fermentables) are excellent.
5: make sure you keep everything super-clean, but you don't need to invest is super expensive chemicals. Unscented bleach is perfectly adequate for sterilizing.
6: Be patient. Home brew will be pretty foul after 2 weeks, drinkable after 3-4, and awesome after 6-8. When you start brewing, brew 3 or 4 batches one after the other to build up a stockpile. Chances are you'll drink through the first (which iwll probably be the shitty kit that came with the setup) while it's still a bit raw, but by the time you hit the second it will have aged nicely. Always keep 3 or 4 brews bottled and on the go.
7: Don't waste your money on carbonation drops. By a $5 priming scoop, and use normal white sugar. Or bulk prime.

As I said all these tips are the point of view of an experienced "kit and kilo" brewer, and are intended to help you produce decent (ie as good as premium shop-bought beer) easily. If you really want to go nuts and get into serious home brewing with kegging setups, full-mash brews etc then the sky's the limit- but these tips should keep you more than happy, and well supplied with more than drinkable piss.

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Another All Grain brewer here...

If you're just starting out with kits, here's what I recommend (in order of the improvement):

1. Use a better yeast. Yeast has to be stored cold and it should be fresh. How long have those tins sat on the supermarket shelf??? Safale US-05 is great in many ales and even as a pseudo lager yeast. If you're worried about the extra cost, it works out to be less than 10c per stubbie extra! This will make the biggest difference to your brews. Temperature control is also important, for most ales 18 is ideal but under 22 will be fine. Dont believe anything written on the instructions from your coopers kit...

2. Use something other than Sugar as the main fermentable in your brew. It can be as simple as using the Coopers Brew Enhancer 2, which is available at all the supermarkets. Ideally more malt will add more flavour and body, even 50/50 Malt/Dextrose makes a big improvement. Your Home Brew shop shoud have this available.

3. Use some extra hops for flavour. It's cheaper (and better flavour) to buy the pellets. A popular choice is Cascade for ales and Saaz for Lagers. You don't need a huge amount (15g per brew makes a big difference) and you only add a little bit of additional time to the brewing process.

4. Once you're comfortable with these, try using steeping grains to add flavour, colour and body. Again it's not too difficult and the small amount of extra time taken makes a big difference. Even just adding some crystal malt will give you a "fresher" taste and better head retention in your beer. As little as 100g is needed for a standard brew, so it doesn't cost much extra. All you need is a soup pot, a medium size grain bag and an extra 20mins on your brew day.

Master all of the above and you will go from drinking something that's drinkable to "OMG you brewed this???" Then you can think about taking the next step to Extract brewing, without too much extra bits n pieces.


5. Join this forum:

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/

There are thousands of posts, articles and bits of information on there on homebrewing advice, recipes and much more..

cheers

EDIT: What spacemonkey said too.


If you want to put on a strong stout for winter. Here's an old favourite of mine:

24L batch.
2x Coopers Stout tins
1kg dextrose
1kg of light dry malt
20g of Fuggles (hops) boiled for 15 mins in 5L of water with the 1KG of malt.
150g of steeped Chocolate Malt grain (this gives it a slight burnt coffee aroma)
Nottingham ale yeast

Ferment at 18-20C for 14 days, then store for 3+ months. Has an ABV of around 9% so sip it slowly!

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Fully integrated mash brewing. Who wants to lend me 6 grand?

You could build that yourself for a LOT less than 6 grand.

Im limited on space most of all therefore I brew using a cloth bag in a 40L Birko urn. So basically I do my mash & boil in the one vessel. I probably (hopefully ) have spent much less than a grand for my entire setup + all of my equipment in total. Some of the guys on AHB are using the same setup as mine and consistently win awards in brewing competitions (Im a long way from that stage!), so the end result is really no worse than what one can brew in a complete three vessel HERMS system like the one in your pic. \Here's a good 'how to' for that...

Another guy moved to all grain for thirty bucks!! check it out.

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This really is a good URL, thanks for the heads up.

Grabbed an excellent sounding recipe for Coopers Sparkling.

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/foru...p?showforum=29
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My Cooopers Pale gets bottled today.

Bought a Morgans Iron Bark/Bank Dark ale can, some fuggles hops, some Nottingham yeast, and some "old dark ale" brew enhancer from the specialty homebrew shop a few suburbs over.

That's up next. See how it turns out. The hops is an aroma hops, apparently.
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Currently drinking a Black Rock IPA that I bottled in mid-december, drinking rather nicely I must say.

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i could make that for a lot less...

commercially probably not though.

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I mash in an old 80 ltr tooheys keg, we cut the top out and use a saucepan lid on the top. We welded an outlet at the base with a screw in hose to drain it. We made a burner and fuel it with a pkg gas bottle, cost a couple of hundred.
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Bought a Morgans Iron Bark/Bank Dark ale can, some fuggles hops, some Nottingham yeast, and some "old dark ale" brew enhancer from the specialty homebrew shop a few suburbs over.

That's up next. See how it turns out. The hops is an aroma hops, apparently.

Sounds like it'll be a corker of a English style dark ale!

Any hops cam be an aroma hops. Basically it works like this:

Hops boiled for 45-90min = Bittering (60min being the most common time)
Hops boiled for 20-40min = Flavouring (30 min being the most common time)
Hops boiled for 15 min or less = Aroma (even no boil, just throwing them straight into the fermenter after the fermentation has slowed down ie: "dry hopping" will give an aroma, but a bit more of a 'grassy' taste)

Fuggles works very well with the esters from nottingham yeast, what did your local homebrew shop suggest you do with them?
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Fuggles works very well with the esters from nottingham yeast, what did your local homebrew shop suggest you do with them?

I believe he actually said to put the hops into the hot wort before I add the water to top up the fermenter. Stir them in, let them sit for a minute or so, then strain them out and continue as normal.

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What are they flowers, plugs or pellets... or one of those 'teabags'? If any of the latter three, there should be no harm in just leaving it in there as it will dissolve and drop out of suspension over fermentation.. If you have flowers you're going to need to strain them out, which can be tricky if you dont have a hop sock.

Also, always leave your wort in the fermenter for 14 days if you can. This allows to the yeast to clean up after itself and allows most of the sediment to drop out leaving you with a clearer beer. Just remember to control that temperature!
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This is what I did :

3 litres of tank water, the Jovial Monk dark ale brew enhancer #1 stirred Bring to boil on gastop.

Add 20g fuggles hops crushed pellets as it is coming to boil.

simmer. Add 20g fuggles hops crushed pellets and stir in.

Let cool to about 80C, add 10g fuggles pellets

Put Morgans Iron Bark Dale ale tin into fermenter. Add my boiled ingredients (at about 80C) to fermenter. Stir in. Top with water to 22L. Temperature still at 32C, so add about 30 ice cubes and stir. Temp drop to 28. Add my Nottingam yeast. Seal. Airlock.

So ... any major flaws in the above? Should I still wait 14 days?
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My Cooopers Pale gets bottled today.

Bought a Morgans Iron Bark/Bank Dark ale can, some fuggles hops, some Nottingham yeast, and some "old dark ale" brew enhancer from the specialty homebrew shop a few suburbs over.

That's up next. See how it turns out. The hops is an aroma hops, apparently.

greekman is getting back into home brewing when we move (no space to set up currently)... can't wait, i spend way too much on teh beerz.

does the end product taste the same as coopers pale? and once you bottle it, do you have to leave it for a while before skulling?
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So you've put 50g total? Whoah that's a lot of hops! It wont be bad, but you'll definitley taste it!

Try to get that temperature down to as close to 18-20C if you can! Yeast can impart some not-so-pretty unwanted flavours when it's fermented at higher temperatures... Be careful about adding ice cubes as freezing water doesnt always kill bacteria and freezers can be germy places, but hopefully it should be ok.

Next time maybe think about refrigerating a 10L container of water (one of those springwater bottles you buy at the supermarket are ideal) overnight to use as your top up water to cool things down. You can also sit your fermenter in your laundry sink and fill it with cold water & chuck ice (or coke bottles filled with water & frozen solid) in there to cool it down too. (you should probanly do this now)

Other than that, yeah let it sit for 10 days minimum I reckon.
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does the end product taste the same as coopers pale? and once you bottle it, do you have to leave it for a while before skulling?

It's pretty hard to replicate coopers pale ale using the kits.... You can still produce a pretty tasty ale though.

Looking back through my old notes, these were some of my better quaffers...


Coopers Pale Ale tin
1.5kg Morgans Wheat liquid malt extract
Amarillo hops (10g on day 1 10g added on day 4)
Safale US-05 yeast

Tasted very similar to James squire golden ale

Coopers Pale Ale tin
1kg LDME,
200g steeped crystal malt grain,
cascade hops (10g on day 1 10g added on day 4)
Coopers Pale Ale recultured yeast.
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actually, checked my receipt. I was out by factor of 2 on the hops. I only had 25g, so it must have been around 12g/12g/6g
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Put down about a month ago. not too shabby at all.

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I've got a brew fermenting at the moment. I was bored one night and decided to make up the one that came with the kit for something to do. I followed the instructions but because the cold water comes from the tap in Broome at a pretty warm tempreature the brew was at about 32degC when I added the yeast. I knew this was much higher than it should have been, but I didn't know if I could use ice and I didn't know if I could leave it sitting until it cooled down. Have I ruined the yeast?
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so I just opened the first bottle of my latest home brew.

Seriously awesome. It was basically the Coopers Sparkling Ale Heritage can with another can of liquid amber malts + 500gm light dry malt + 300g dextrose.

But I think what made it awesome was as I was boiling the ingredients together, I added a handful of fresh sauvin hops. The bitterness shining through the alcohol is great. I'd pay real money for this beer.
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I entered my American IPA in a comp last week, came second out of 21 entries.

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currently drinking:
Coopers Dark Ale - stock standard kit and kilo. not too shabby.

currently conditioning:
Fat Yak Clone (coopers real ale + crystal grain + nelson sauv & cascade hops, dry hopped with nelson sauv, US05 yeast)
Angry Ranga Ginger Beer (Morgans tin, 500g fresh ginger, 400g honey, 300g dark brown sugar, 800g raw sugar, 4 chilis, nutmeg, ginger extract, cloves)
Candadian Buxom Blonde (coopers canadian blonde + crysal grain +400g manuka honey + cascade hops, dry hopped with nelson sauv, US05)

currently planning:
- coopers pale clone, going to reculture coopers yeast and put a few other bits in there.
- another dark ale with added goodies.

Getting the kit and kilo down pat with extacts then going to switch to full mash in another 12 months or so. Currently using glass bottles (except for PET for the ginger beer) but the missus gave me the nod for getting the kegs setup as she is sick of having bottles stacked everywhere. should work out better as I don't have to wait 2 months for the brew to be decent, but will probably end up drinking more :/

Went apeshit with brewing the last few months as the weather has been cool enough to keep the temp around 20deg. Summer is too much hard work in Brisbane. If I run out I will just goto brew-by-u and put one down there, except the only problem is you have to run 6 cartons and keep them cold after bottling. Best to do it with another mate or two.

countrybrewer is great for ordering online. Thinking about buying the sausage and cheese making kits from them too.
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Good on ya matey

Before you move onto full mash, personally id recommend you try a few extracts or even partials before you go the whole AG hog. There's a lot less things that you can fuck up and once you have those processes down pat mashing will be a relatively small upgrade.

All you really need is a 19L stainless steel pot ($20 from BigW) and a medium size grain bag ($10 from a home brew shop), then all you do is buy your malt extract and your hops & yeast separately, as you're already doing, boil them on your stove for 60 mins with your hop additions as your recipe calls for, cool it down, pitch your yeast and ferment as normal. if you need a step by step guide, look here: www.howtobrew.com

Oh, and as I said earlier.. temperature control is your biggest and most important step that you'll ever make in brewing. One of these and a spare fridge and you're set.

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My main problem at the moment is space to do it properly. Would love to build a place one day and have a room setup especially for brewing.

Got the cleaning and sanitising down pat with napisan and iodophor no rinse. The brew belt with a timer has done the trick for me in the past couple of months as I am only running ales. Haven't tried a lager tho as I can't achieve 10deg C. Will get that fridge and thermostat setup one day, I guess I will have to settle for ales until then.

What part of Aus are u from phoneyhuh? And where was that comp which you entered the american pale?
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Another All Grain brewer here...

If you're just starting out with kits, here's what I recommend (in order of the improvement):

1. Use a better yeast. Yeast has to be stored cold and it should be fresh. How long have those tins sat on the supermarket shelf??? Safale US-05 is great in many ales and even as a pseudo lager yeast. If you're worried about the extra cost, it works out to be less than 10c per stubbie extra! This will make the biggest difference to your brews. Temperature control is also important, for most ales 18 is ideal but under 22 will be fine. Dont believe anything written on the instructions from your coopers kit...

2. Use something other than Sugar as the main fermentable in your brew. It can be as simple as using the Coopers Brew Enhancer 2, which is available at all the supermarkets. Ideally more malt will add more flavour and body, even 50/50 Malt/Dextrose makes a big improvement. Your Home Brew shop shoud have this available.

3. Use some extra hops for flavour. It's cheaper (and better flavour) to buy the pellets. A popular choice is Cascade for ales and Saaz for Lagers. You don't need a huge amount (15g per brew makes a big difference) and you only add a little bit of additional time to the brewing process.

4. Once you're comfortable with these, try using steeping grains to add flavour, colour and body. Again it's not too difficult and the small amount of extra time taken makes a big difference. Even just adding some crystal malt will give you a "fresher" taste and better head retention in your beer. As little as 100g is needed for a standard brew, so it doesn't cost much extra. All you need is a soup pot, a medium size grain bag and an extra 20mins on your brew day.

Master all of the above and you will go from drinking something that's drinkable to "OMG you brewed this???" Then you can think about taking the next step to Extract brewing, without too much extra bits n pieces.


5. Join this forum:

http://www.aussiehomebrewer.com/

There are thousands of posts, articles and bits of information on there on homebrewing advice, recipes and much more..

cheers

EDIT: What spacemonkey said too.


If you want to put on a strong stout for winter. Here's an old favourite of mine:

24L batch.
2x Coopers Stout tins
1kg dextrose
1kg of light dry malt
20g of Fuggles (hops) boiled for 15 mins in 5L of water with the 1KG of malt.
150g of steeped Chocolate Malt grain (this gives it a slight burnt coffee aroma)
Nottingham ale yeast

Ferment at 18-20C for 14 days, then store for 3+ months. Has an ABV of around 9% so sip it slowly!

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I went and bottle a batch of a Theakston Old Peculiar imitation that a mate put on at Brews Brothers here in Brisbane. It turned out pretty well but its no really comparible to actual homebrewing because it's not bottle conditioned and is much more expensive (~$25-30 a carton). I'm definitely keen to do some proper brewing in Autumn when the temperature settles down a bit.
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just bought a 3 year old east of golding hops plant (creeper vine) to grow up a lattice down the back of my yard. Freshly grown hops, here I come.
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I've decided to try and make a Sam Adams Boston Lager clone using the same hops and a similar base.

Sam Adam uses either Hersbrucker or Hallertau Mittelfueh for aromatics (I've got 25g Hersbrucker) and Tettenanger for bitters (15g). I'm going with a European yeast (Saf-Ale S04) and a NZ Blackrock lager kit base. Also going to use light malt extract and maybe 150g cracker crystal grain.

I guess I'll see how close I get in a couple of weeks.
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any of y'all brew cider of ginger beer? i would like to start brewing, but i don't really want to do beer.
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I brewed ginger beer a while ago. It was horrid after 3 months of bottle conditioning, horrid after 6 months of bottle conditioning, and fucking AWESOME after 12 months of bottle conditioning.

I never did work out why.

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maybe it was an acquired taste?
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i just bought a starter brew set, and a black rock cider kit. i hear the black rock is pretty plain if you make it straight, so i'm planning on reducing the quantity from 23L to about 19L and using a few litres of apple juice instead of water.

any thoughts?
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piss of the kit use all juice, lme and a decent cider yeast.
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