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.. ooh that scratch is makin' me itch ...


for a DJ forum , there's a distinct lack of discussion about scratching.

is it that everyone jumping on the CDJ wagon can't transfer this skill to the new medium? It's not like you can't adequatley scratch with CDJs ...


Or is it that you're all playing prog/trance/house?


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Dont know how to do it properly and dont really need it for the style I mix... would like to learn though
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Couldn't give a shit about it personally.. therefore never invest any time in it.
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Ive tried to scratch but im too unco.
I even bought the Qbert DVD (which is rad i might add)
but still find it difficult.
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Couldn't give a shit about it personally.. therefore never invest any time in it.

No a truer word spoken!

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perhaps i should have titled the thread

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I like to stuff around with hip hop and rnb at home. That when I practice my scratching.

My problem is I have the same patterns, no matter how hard I try to break them. I can crab but very inconsistently.

I would really like to learn how to slow my scratch down but whenever I start, my instant feeling is to move rub and cut as fast as possible.
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is it that everyone jumping on the CDJ wagon can't transfer this skill to the new medium? It's not like you can't adequatley scratch with CDJs ...

dj isaac (hardstyle dj) scratches with cdjs and he does it very well, almost impossible to tell the difference between vinyl and cd when he does it.

personally im not that interested in scratching, yes it can sound good but not my cup of tea
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I like to stuff around with hip hop and rnb at home. That when I practice my scratching.

My problem is I have the same patterns, no matter how hard I try to break them. I can crab but very inconsistently.

I would really like to learn how to slow my scratch down but whenever I start, my instant feeling is to move rub and cut as fast as possible.


I think the kinda of tracks you are using and the groove will have a big impact on your technique.

If you're scratching over the same kinda of tunes (tempo and rhythm) then you are going to be stuck in that mode/mood.

try scratching over something else ... like DnB ... or house ... or some old funk ... try different styles and types of hip hop too.

the phrases and techniques you employ at 95BPM aren't so easy at 130 ... and of course (as you're experiencing) it's not always easy to make yourself slow down and work with the groove.

Qbert summed it up well when he talked about builing a vocabulary. The more words (techniques etc) you learn ... the easier it is to express yourself, or the more creatively you can express yourself.

it is literally like having a conversation with the music ... it asks you a question ... you talk back with a scratch.

often when im cueing a track and have a couple of minutes before i want to drop it i'll be rubbing that first beat back and forth .... so what the heck, may as wel flip the fader while im doing it here and there.

for me it adds to the rhythmic elements of what you're doing.

it doesn't have to be the obvious scratch samples either ... half the fun is finding cool things to fuk with in other tracks ... of course battle records make this kind of searching a lot easier these days
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i love scratching... at home the music i listen to from my computer runs through my mixer, i'll almost always have a scratch record on the turntable so if i'm listening to something and feel like having a scratch i can!
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My problem is I have the same patterns, no matter how hard I try to break them. I can crab but very inconsistently.

I would really like to learn how to slow my scratch down but whenever I start, my instant feeling is to move rub and cut as fast as possible.

I have exactly the same problem.
Instantaneously when i put a scratch record on my instincts are to move that damn record as fast as possible.
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"Wickey wickey what is a DJ if he can't scratch"

DJs who can't scratch can get by just fine, I suppose every music genre needs its Bob Dlyans to counter with its Jimi Hendrixs, but they're certainly missing a large chunk of the skills required to impress me, or to seperate the jukeboxes from turntablists.

You don't need hip hop beats to scratch either (although its a great place to start), my fave deck wreckers of all time are Archie, James Zabelia and KC (all scratching over house and trance speed beats) and Mark N (hardcore techno scratcher).
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perhaps i should have titled the thread

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Not nece-cellery - saw Cosmo scratching over JMJ at Tonic last week!
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if people are keen we should do a question and answer type thang... like someone get an instrumental and then they scratch for 2 bars, leave it blank for two bars, repeat, then send it to someone else

i maaay start one though at the moment i'm still convincing myself that uni work is more important
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I love scratching, I'm slowly getting better at it. I scratch to hard trance and electro so it doesn't have to be hip hop. It really impresses people. I find when playing out it's the best way to grab peoples attention.

But it sounds to hectic over deeper house and trance.

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I like messing around with some scratching when it's got a heavy echo on it.
On my mixer there is a tape echo sound( like a big dub echo) that sounds good layed over some Dj Krush styled beats.
Having said that though ive got no skills at all, i just like messing with sound.
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at home the music i listen to from my computer runs through my mixer, i'll almost always have a scratch record on the turntable so if i'm listening to something and feel like having a scratch i can


i do this too

there's usually a video game system/dvd player runnin through it as well
provides random bouts of fun


down for the question and answer thing for sure
week 13 at uni so should have some time over the next few weeks



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can't believe people are saying it doesn't 'work' with house or whatever.

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send me a l ink of a house dj scratching

i havent heard it done much but i'd love to hear it

i love scratching, beats the flanger effect
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if people are keen we should do a question and answer type thang... like someone get an instrumental and then they scratch for 2 bars, leave it blank for two bars, repeat, then send it to someone else

i maaay start one though at the moment i'm still convincing myself that uni work is more important


i'd be interested in having some fun with that ... but i havent even recorded a mix the past few months because my mixer is ill ... so's my soundcard scenario

these things ... i'm working on fixing ... then they slaying off ass begins
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What are the characteristics needed for the track you are going to use for scratching? I can never get that noise out of any of my tracks when I try to scratch like that guy.

Also the way he is flicking the cross fader, is it basically acting as an on/off switch for the scratching noises?

You must have to be pretty good to be able to maintain a constant noise when pulling off a scratch like that, because when I try to manually spin the platter on my mk3s at a constant speed it is all over the place!
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Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00nZFQ-Ifcg


too too much volume on the scratch ... so no .. not like that at all

and FFS ... dont scratch OVER the vocals


oh god ... so much wrong with that
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Also the way he is flicking the cross fader, is it basically acting as an on/off switch for the scratching noises?




fader work is equally as important as what your doing with the CDJ/turntable
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too too much volume on the scratch ... so no .. not like that at all

and FFS ... dont scratch OVER the vocals


oh god ... so much wrong with that

That wasn't me

That was what a 2 second youtube search found
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I play for want of a better word prog and house and I scratch*, although considerably less than I used to when playing a mix of house and breaks a few years back. Scratching instrumental sounds, hits and stabs can work well (especially over some of the more minimal techy tunes), but it does sound out of place over a lot of proggy stuff. Anthony Pappa is a prog DJ who scratches really well - he was a former Aussie DMC champ apparently.

Scratching is better suited to genres which allow you to cut in vocal samples and snatches as well as just instrumentals. That sort of sampling and scratching suits party breaks, hip hop and the commercial end of house well. I have to say I learned to scratch over hip hop beats, at the time I was told that was a better way of learning.

I've recently just made the jump to scratching on CDJs and am still finding my way, I really haven't spent enough time getting the feel of them. I've found it's much more accurate in some ways but also a bit too cold and precise, which doesn't allow for some of the random complex scratches that occasionally happen with vinyl.

That being said - James Zabiela scratches like a demon on CDJs - definitely someone you should check out if you don't believe CDJs can be used to scratch.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPnK...atching+on+cdj


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watch it to the end

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^^^ mind you, there isnt actually any scratchin in the above video.
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Sometimes I scratch my balls... But also some tracks can sound really good with scratching others you should steer clear of I reckon. And excessive scratching can ruin a song. It's really hard to find the balance when you're playing dance oriented styles I think.
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What are the characteristics needed for the track you are going to use for scratching? I can never get that noise out of any of my tracks when I try to scratch like that guy.

Also the way he is flicking the cross fader, is it basically acting as an on/off switch for the scratching noises?

You must have to be pretty good to be able to maintain a constant noise when pulling off a scratch like that, because when I try to manually spin the platter on my mk3s at a constant speed it is all over the place!


not sure if u fit in this category, but its amazing how many noobs believe you actualy scratch the record thats playin.
unless ur an expert, simply ensure u are using the standard "scratch" sample (found on 95% of battle records) on the other TT/CD player, and start by dropping the sample every beat or so.
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I still reckon Zabs is the king of CDJ scratching. Using the transform effect so you have a spare hand to put effects over the scratching is serious genius
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Zabiela is a god. Some people bag his scratching saying that it's just effects. This isn't true! His rhythm when he's scratching is amazing and he integrates it into his sets perfectly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPnK...atching+on+cdj


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watch it to the end

pretty much sums it all up

That routine just shows that as much as you try and emulate vinyl on a CDJ, its just not the same.

Seriously, I know Swamp is a great DJ but that routine was absolute garbage. He missed so many cuts, his juggle patterns were all out and his scratching was ordinary.

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I still reckon Zabs is the king of CDJ scratching. Using the transform effect so you have a spare hand to put effects over the scratching is serious genius

i havent SEEN him do it, only heard him, and always wondered about that!

What is this transform effect u speak of? Does it chop the sound in time with the music?



mind u, i will say that he is FAR from the king of scratchin, and Im sure hell happily admit that himself.
the important part is that he doesnt overdo it, and it sounds great and effective. hearing some self-indulgent wanker whos drunk and only half knows what hes doin can sound pretty average (ie me ).
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mind u, i will say that he is FAR from the king of scratchin, and Im sure hell happily admit that himself.

King of CDJ scratching was the original comment, and I second the notion - Zabs is a freak.
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not sure if u fit in this category, but its amazing how many noobs believe you actualy scratch the record thats playin.

Erm no... i was asking about the track you use to make the scratching noise - sif scratch the live track
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qbert's learn to scratch dvd looks pretty good although i personally haven't really used it


Qberts DVD is awesome. Doesnt really go into to many phrases or patterns tho.
But it does cover all the different types of scratches.

IMO probably the best dvd to get if you wanna get into scratching.
Though as many times as ive watched the dvd i still suck at scratching...
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^^^^

There's the starter type DVD ... and i believe he also has a more advanced DVD

If you want to learn more/different techniques/phrases/styles ... trawl the web for vids

I get pretty inspired every time i watch the Scratch doco

makes me wanna break out a double copy of something and get busy !!!


oh yer .. there's a thing ... anyone here like to juggle doubles ?
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anyone here like to juggle doubles ?

I think the advent of the CDJ has pretty much killed the juggle.
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