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I think every halfwit with a set of cdj's IS a DJ.

Not necessarily a good DJ, but a DJ nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by johnjay

maybe when they go out they dont want their head done in with shit music by some lil shit?

have you thought of that?

some of us go out to hear music


Mate, if that is the case - I think you are having serious problems with club selection.

If you are at a venue where you dont like the music, that is your problem, not the clubs or the DJ's.

Blame yourself for putting yourself into a situation where you are going to get pissed off cause of the music. In any city in Australia (barring Darwin) I would think on most nights there is little reason you cant be at a club where they are playing music you like. And if that fails and you are so awesome I suggest you stay home and mix music you like

And define good music mate, whats the next step to this thread, are we going to have that whole electro is shit debate now.
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wat the f* is people's problems with cdjs???

do you wanna get pussy slapped??

No pussy with cdjs.

Only with vinyl.
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errrr... OP references turntables as well. this has fuk all to do with the choice of music medium ... so let's move on from that old debate
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No pussy with cdjs.

Only with vinyl.

You deserve a pussy punch. lol

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We all need to be awesome DJs so we get more head from girls.

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Whenever I'm talking with people and someone say that i DJ i always say, no I'm not really a DJ but i have decks. To be honest I'm better than a lot of people that would call themselves "DJs". But the fact that I'm very critical of what i do because I'm passionate about it and feel to call myself a dj would cheapen something i love.

When people ask I tell them it's DJing... it's just easier to explain it to them that way.. If guys like Sasha and John Kellly still have 'dj' prefixing their name in their URL it can't be all that bad to label it as DJing..

When people ask me why/what the appeal is to me, I go through the "creative" aspects of it and explain why it's about more than just playing tune after tune... I explain that my biggest gripe with DJs these days is they more often than not play tune after tune, and don't really have much of a sense of direction as to where they're going... More often than not I'm talking to a new guy at work over a few beers at the pub, and they'll usually walk past my desk a few times hear tunes pumping from my PC and then click on to what I'm on about...

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Shame it takes money to make the DJ.

Commercialism at its worst, IMO.

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Agreed.. A DJ/Producer trio I used to like years ago have taken their music in alot more of a 'pop trance' direction, they've continually gotten bigger and bigger, their promo emails are more frequent, and their latest promotional tool is a youtube channel, with a weekly 10-30 min documentary of videos of their DJ sets all around the world.. When did it stop becoming so much about the music??

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Ive decieded not to put the dj tag infront a made up name because it doesnt make sense at the moment, Ive bought some gear, know the basics, but it feels so steriotypical to slap the dj tag on your name for some kind of instant respect. It's a bit of a shame I have to choose/make up a name if I was going to do club/bar work. It's like if you turned up to a venue to get the job and they say what is your name and I'd say "alex", then they'd be like "your not a dj get the hell outta my office"

Putting DJ in front of your name was a fad that went out of fashion at least 5 years ago dude

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This rubbish about being paid makes you a DJ is Crap. Is a voluteer social worker that dedicates all their apre time to helping the needy, any lessd of a socila worker then a paid council employee?

If you can get paid for doing what you love then great. If you don't it does not make you any less passonite or skilled, probably makes youy more passionate as you are totally self motivated to spend thsoe longs hours behinf the decks to perfect a mix

These days when I play out I chuck my set fee to the leukemia foundation or canteen or something similar (If I don't trust the promoter I'll take my set fee and do it myself), does that make me less of a real DJ Music is my passion, not my bread and butter...

So what have we established?? From reading this thread I've drawn the following conclusions:
- You have to play out to be a 'DJ'
- Most of posters in here consider themselves to not actually be a DJ, but they do practice 'DJing'
- You need a pay cheque to be a 'DJ'
- Real DJs spin vinyl
- DJing doesn't actually require a specific skill level

Fucks me what makes a DJ, and fucks me whether or not I'm a DJ based on this, but really I do what I do and I don't really care whether or not it's DJing

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Well ... learnt on crappy vinyl decks. Been doing it for about 5 years now. And when i feel that I'm getting cheapened by the ease of CDJ's i go back to vinyl for a while so i know i can still do it properly. Improves beatmatching speeds to!

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Agreed.. A DJ/Producer trio I used to like years ago have taken their music in alot more of a 'pop trance' direction, they've continually gotten bigger and bigger, their promo emails are more frequent, and their latest promotional tool is a youtube channel, with a weekly 10-30 min documentary of videos of their DJ sets all around the world.. When did it stop becoming so much about the music??

wouldn't be talking about Above and Beyond would you ?
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- Real DJs spin vinyl

This was an ortofon advertising campaign a few years back. "Fuck MP3, Real DJs play vinyl"

I still have the sticker on my car. Got yelled at cupla months back by some dude in a cab tellin me to go fuck myself.

musta been passionate bout his cdjs...
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This was an ortofon advertising campaign a few years back. "Fuck MP3, Real DJs play vinyl"

I still have the sticker on my car. Got yelled at cupla months back by some dude in a cab tellin me to go fuck myself.

musta been passionate bout his cdjs...

I know that, it's on the vinyl warning website as well... I've got one on my diary at work... I don't preach it but everytime i leave it on someone else's desk it always gets returned

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haha, there is some shit being spoke in this thread, f*ck!

the 'art' of djing is being able to form a seemless transition between to tracks with a good mix, why does it matter what format? whoever plays vinyl and rates themselves because of it - congrats, u just won the competition that no one was in but u. cdjs allow me to persue my dj aspirations much more cheaply and more enjoyably than vinyl. cdj wankers? i think that vinylists who rag on cdjs are...

... f*ck it, whatever, this is old, im over it. whats the point of arguing on the internetz?

i play cdjs and enjoy it, leave me alone
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if you read the thread properly without prejudice you'd realise this is not about choice of medium
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I started producing for years before I looked at mixing tracks or getting turntables.


I prefer to be dealing with my own music to call myself a DJ/Producer than to be just dealing with someone elses.


YAY. I still don't think Mr Mau5 needed to go so rugged in his interview, though.
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maybe

Warning: I am bias to the bs about Above and Beyond.

I didn't' think the OceanLab album was poppy at all ? Neither was Tri State ?
And Youtube channel is a bit o self promotion yes but i don't think it's for the purpose of "look how cool we are up here" ... think the point would be more to show the experiences they share and the places they see.
Lets be honest here ... you've got to hand it to their originality in terms of actual creation of music ... they time and time again come up with brilliant lyrical songs (that AREN'T cheesy for the most part), which I'd say rarely a trance artist out there has done.

/rant

Back to the topic though, i don't think you have to play vinyl to be a good DJ at all. But i am of the opinion everyone should learn on shitty vinyl decks ... if you learn to master beatmatching on shity vinyl decks, then you deserve to be able to use another medium (live, serato, cdj's etc. ) ... as the fundamentals are learn't the hard way.
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the 'art' of djing is being able to form a seemless transition between to tracks with a good mix,


Load of shit imo.

Dj'ing is about creating a vibe for people to dance to.
That is it, why does it have to be seemless?
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the 'art' of djing is being able to form a seemless transition between to tracks with a good mix,

so does that mean that there's no art in mixing hip hop then?

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The music that I push in my opinion is probably a bit too mature for someone who listens to "Trance" but hey, we all have to start somewhere?

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And what about Turntablism and scratching?


Wicka wah?
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Im well and truly over going out, one because im an old karnt but the main reason is the limited amount of sound's you get to hear in a night.

Im not having a dig at dj's, most have to play a certain way to get the gig, but it has all become so fucking safe-and boring.

Seemless mixing of the same style of tunes, same bpm same same same
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Seemless mixing of the same style of tunes, same bpm same same same

Maybe it's the crowds fault too

"PLAY THAT NEW TIMBALAND TRACK OMG PLZ"
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Im well and truly over going out, one because im an old karnt but the main reason is the limited amount of sound's you get to hear in a night.

Im not having a dig at dj's, most have to play a certain way to get the gig, but it has all become so fucking safe-and boring.

Seemless mixing of the same style of tunes, same bpm same same same


i tend to agree ... but then again i've always been out for going out to hit certain gigs or events and not going out just for the sake of going out (or picking up)

The BPM rut does my head in. I'd be pretty sure that 90% of what 80% of "DJs" mix falls within a 10BPM range above and below 130BPM ... and the other 20% play hip hop or DnB

by the way baax ... i'll be playing at Kaliber again soon so you can pop out for a damn good cocktail and some quality and varied tunes
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Maybe it's the crowds fault too

"PLAY THAT NEW TIMBALAND TRACK OMG PLZ"


Totally.

*Old man rant*

Back in the day it was all new, fresh, it didn't matter what was played because it was all new and underground and exciting.

Now dance music is everywhere, it's business and club's get run as a business which is fine but that in turn means there are rules.

Play the type of music that bring's in the crowd with the most cash to spend and so on.
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thats not true

nerds would get bagged if they walked into cool record stores

Ever heard of a cat called Simon Caldwell? If not, look him up.

edit: Also for the guy that said that sets are now boring etc - check out Caldwell... still the man. Saw him play at Lounge Cafe on Friday and he played breaks, disco, house, funk + threw in a couple of hits of turntablism for the heads... saw him plya Mad Racket a month ago and he played solid tech house, but also threw in some TT tricks and still mixed up the styles - playing some chicago and new york style shit as well.

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And what about those people who buy 2 x 1200's and automatically think they're scratch djs?

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Warning: I am bias to the bs about Above and Beyond.

I didn't' think the OceanLab album was poppy at all ? Neither was Tri State ?
And Youtube channel is a bit o self promotion yes but i don't think it's for the purpose of "look how cool we are up here" ... think the point would be more to show the experiences they share and the places they see.
Lets be honest here ... you've got to hand it to their originality in terms of actual creation of music ... they time and time again come up with brilliant lyrical songs (that AREN'T cheesy for the most part), which I'd say rarely a trance artist out there has done.

Tri State and Sirens of the Sea were fantastic albums, listen to their DJ sets from around the time of the release of Tri State, and then listen to their sets from about 3 years before that... Huge difference... I think they've started doing good again though (been out of touch for about a year)... I'm talking about stuff like the club mixes of Can't Sleep and Good For Me.. Great tracks on the album, but bland as hell for club ch00ns..

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edit: Also for the guy that said that sets are now boring etc - check out Caldwell... still the man. Saw him play at Lounge Cafe on Friday and he played breaks, disco, house, funk + threw in a couple of hits of turntablism for the heads... saw him plya Mad Racket a month ago and he played solid tech house, but also threw in some TT tricks and still mixed up the styles - playing some chicago and new york style shit as well.

Yeah ive seen him play heap's, i agree he is one dude who mixes it right up, to bad i don't live in Sydney anymore, although i hear he is coming to Brisbane soon, hopefully he get's a 3hr set.

One of my fav set's ever was Simon at the last Scissor Paper Rock at the dendy, Detroit city!! Ajax was even good back then, he played a killer set of dubby techno.



It doesn't matter to me anymore anyway, im just as happy staying home drinking beer and playing tunes in any style i like, and my little girl and my dog aren't chinstrokers nor do they care about ragged mixing!

But at the end of the day it's just mixing music, it's not something cool like playing an instrument.
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Tri State and Sirens of the Sea were fantastic albums, listen to their DJ sets from around the time of the release of Tri State, and then listen to their sets from about 3 years before that... Huge difference... I think they've started doing good again though (been out of touch for about a year)... I'm talking about stuff like the club mixes of Can't Sleep and Good For Me.. Great tracks on the album, but bland as hell for club ch00ns..

i am in agreeance for club remixes of the album tunes. Good for me, while i like it, i can defiantly see how it would be bland. Agreed with Can't Sleep. But some sound better with club remixes ... i.e. Home and Alone Tonight ( although not much difference between the album and club on that track ).

Well ... as long as you like the album stuff
Actually didn't mind their sets from around the Tri State album era ... they playing in Sydney during that time and it's still he best set i've ever witnessed ( again ... biased ... in terms of technical skills and set structure and all that AO was better though ).
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i am in agreeance for club remixes of the album tunes. Good for me, while i like it, i can defiantly see how it would be bland. Agreed with Can't Sleep. But some sound better with club remixes ... i.e. Home and Alone Tonight ( although not much difference between the album and club on that track ).

Well ... as long as you like the album stuff
Actually didn't mind their sets from around the Tri State album era ... they playing in Sydney during that time and it's still he best set i've ever witnessed ( again ... biased ... in terms of technical skills and set structure and all that AO was better though ).

For sure.. I didn't really like Alone Tonight that much, it was alright but was horribly overplayed when it was released... And I don't think they've ever topped the hype from No One On Earth (No One On Earth has big shoes to fill though )

They sucked when they played in Brisbane after Tri State was released, was the only time I've walked out during their set.. Seen them twice before that and they were awesome though...

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For sure.. I didn't really like Alone Tonight that much, it was alright but was horribly overplayed when it was released... And I don't think they've ever topped the hype from No One On Earth (No One On Earth has big shoes to fill though )

They sucked when they played in Brisbane after Tri State was released, was the only time I've walked out during their set.. Seen them twice before that and they were awesome though...

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I dont get people who buy CDJ 800s... and then buy Serato to connect to their laptop... i dont get it.

If you got 1200s, thats fine cos theres no way u could burn CDs and play that on tts... while u can just burn a few mp3 discs and theres no need to spend $700 on Serato.... =S
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...while u can just burn a few mp3 discs and theres no need to spend $700 on Serato.... =S


Burning CD after CD after CD for the sole purpose of making digital media 'playable' would have to be the clunkiest concept of the century.

"Hey, I've got these great new tunes"
"Cool, let's hear 'em"
'Wait, just gotta burn 'em... damn, where'd me put me spindle o' CDRs, damn it?!!


The files are ready to go, so tell me, why not use Serato?

It's just a shame there's no bullet-proof, market-leading DJ controller around, and therefore one has to resort to using a frickn' CD player to manipulate the tempo of digital music files.
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I dont get people who buy CDJ 800s... and then buy Serato to connect to their laptop... i dont get it.

If you got 1200s, thats fine cos theres no way u could burn CDs and play that on tts... while u can just burn a few mp3 discs and theres no need to spend $700 on Serato.... =S

better functionality using CDJ's with serato...
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midi setups are superior in that respect... pity you dont 'look' like a real DEeeeeeeeeeeeeejay
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Well ... learnt on crappy vinyl decks. Been doing it for about 5 years now. And when i feel that I'm getting cheapened by the ease of CDJ's i go back to vinyl for a while so i know i can still do it properly. Improves beatmatching speeds to!

see, this i dont understand, ive only played on cdj's onces and have learnt dodge Numark turntables. I was just trying to understand whats eaiser about mixing on cdj's. Is it just the CUE points and alike. Or is there somthing the cdj does that makes beat matching tighter?

I dont understand, it fucking boggles my mind all this shit.
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Or is there somthing the cdj does that makes beat matching tighter?


0.02% Pitch Resolution...

...so I hear.
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but arnt the pitch sliders on turntables analouge, so the pitch res would be smaller. i dont think that right, mm confusing.
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^^ Go watch Greg Downey tear apart Serato and a pair of CDJ1000's and come back and say that..

forking out $2900 for a 2x CDJ 1000... and $750 for Serato to control some mp3s...

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It's just a shame there's no bullet-proof, market-leading DJ controller around, and therefore one has to resort to using a frickn' CD player to manipulate the tempo of digital music files.

Yeah, its quite a shame....

Then when you skip the 'middle man' and buy a desktop midi controller... like the from M-Audio or Vestax, some people scream its too digital and not real deejaying.

Tell me if im not understanding correctly.
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see, this i dont understand, ive only played on cdj's onces and have learnt dodge Numark turntables. I was just trying to understand whats eaiser about mixing on cdj's. Is it just the CUE points and alike. Or is there somthing the cdj does that makes beat matching tighter?

I dont understand, it fucking boggles my mind all this shit.


0.02 pitch range on CDJ 1000's as already said.
It's visual though ... with Turnies, it's all by ear and it's done the hard way.
With CDJ's ... just look at the bpm, move platter forward, adjust .05 / .02 depending on the range of your CDJ.
You can also cheat as well ( and i see ALOT of DJ's do this ) between bpms there's a few notches of a .05 range ... say 10 ? say your bpm is 138 ... just adjust your CDJ so the bpm is the .05 that clicks over to 138 ... if you move the slider back .05 you'll get 137. All you have to do is do the same for your cueing CDJ and you don't' even have to beatmatch, it's already done as they are now running at the same speeds.
Shits me off when people do that. ALOT of so called "DJ's" do it, and i am guessing that is one of the things that fires up people like Funkedub, as it doesn't take much skill to do that.
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0.02 pitch range on CDJ 1000's as already said.
It's visual though ... with Turnies, it's all by ear and it's done the hard way.
With CDJ's ... just look at the bpm, move platter forward, adjust .05 / .02 depending on the range of your CDJ.
You can also cheat as well ( and i see ALOT of DJ's do this ) between bpms there's a few notches of a .05 range ... say 10 ? say your bpm is 138 ... just adjust your CDJ so the bpm is the .05 that clicks over to 138 ... if you move the slider back .05 you'll get 137. All you have to do is do the same for your cueing CDJ and you don't' even have to beatmatch, it's already done as they are now running at the same speeds.
Shits me off when people do that. ALOT of so called "DJ's" do it, and i am guessing that is one of the things that fires up people like Funkedub, as it doesn't take much skill to do that.

doesn't really get me fired up ... i don't mind/care how people mix.

I might however object to folks who think that if they've mastered beat matching a few bars they're now a shit hot Dj
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You can also cheat as well ( and i see ALOT of DJ's do this ) between bpms there's a few notches of a .05 range ... say 10 ? say your bpm is 138 ... just adjust your CDJ so the bpm is the .05 that clicks over to 138 ... if you move the slider back .05 you'll get 137....

Shits me off when people do that. ALOT of so called "DJ's" do it, and i am guessing that is one of the things that fires up people like Funkedub, as it doesn't take much skill to do that.


So this is your point: the most important thing about deejaying is beatmatching...

I dont think thats cheating, i think its called being smart. Dont be pissed of if these deejays are using the CDJs to their advantage.
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back in the 80s ,

if you can't scratch you are not a dj.

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these days there are many ppl who has a pair of cdj100 + djm300 and never played out and call themself "DJ" . just call them "DJ WANNA BE"

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if you have a house party and u call yourself a dj?? hmm,, another DJ wanna be

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for me, if u want to call yourself a dj, make you have a residency at a club, then you should call yourself a dj without a shame .

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i dont' think some who is using a laptop for their set , (except playing live adding effect and new sound etc or unless there are a producer) should call themself a dj. you can just have track playlist ready , all you do is just stand there act cool like a mad **** and add a flanger effect every bar !

some of those laptop dj doesn't even know how to beat match.
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oh god, you guys need to get overselves.
stop trying to justify why you should be called a ' DJ ' as suppose to Bob next door with this techs/cdjs/traktor/ableton/gramophone...

who cares. oh they are playing music off a laptop... really? oh no, they arent 'deejays'. =|
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