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First mixer, a few questions.
Hurro DJ's.

I'm picking up 2 CDJ-400's sometime this week and am trying to decide what I want to do for a mixer.

To start, I'm borrowing a DJM-300 off a mate which will do the job for the mean time till K-Rudd comes through with the goods. I'm using $300 of that money plus money I'll save over the coming months to buy a mixer. I can wait longer if I want to spend more money, but probably don't want to spend over $1000.

Now my biggest dillema is do I budget out and get some budget mixer I'll most definitely end up upgrading from in a few years, or do I spend a bit more and hopefully get quite a long life out of a mixer.

Should I get a Pioneer so that I'm comfortable with their mixers if I ever one day get a gig, huge emphasis on if.

Options I currently have/mixers I like:

Xone:22 - This is probably my first pick of the bunch, I would love to have a A&H mixer.
Korg KM-202 - Worried about the build quality of this thing, and seems a bit gimmicky
DJM-600 (Used $500) - Extremely worried about not having a warranty

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I'd say pick up a 2nd hand Ecler Nuo 3
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I'm really iffy about getting a second hand mixer. Since I want something that's going to last me many years down the track I'm thinking and would prefer to buy something new.

Also, I don't think I really want to get the KM-202 much anymore. The metering looks woeful on it. I really want a Xone:22. Somebody convince me what to do
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Xone will be the best sounding out of those mixers.
At the end of the day it depends what you want from the mixer... Do you want effects? Is sound quality important to you? Is feel important to you?

I used to have a DJM-500, and they feel a little plasticy (and the gain knobs are a bit too finicky... jumping, rather than smoothly moving up to more gain) and the sound quality on the old ones (that is, the 300, 500, 600), but the knob sizing and placement on the Pioneer mixers is pretty hard to top.

I've never used a KM-202, but i'm not a fan of the Zero4, even if a lot of others are. I find the knobs small and finicky, and the EQs are total shit - thin and weedy sounding IMO.

I'm not sure how the Xone:22 cues but I haven't loved the cueing on the Xones I've used in the past (why can't you just cue two channels at the same time?) - I prefer the system on the Pioneer and Vestax models. That said, sound quality is pretty damn awesome, and the metering is great.


I've said it before and I'll say it again - A quality mixer should be fine second hand. A decent Vestax two channel (say a PMC-25/250) would be pretty similar to the Xone:22 and also gives you the option of going rotary if you want.
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I also reckon the Ecler Nuo series, both new or second hand.
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Sound quality is a factor, but not the most important really.

I want something sturdy, with decent sized knobs that don't feel like they'll break.

Effects aren't important, they'll likely just be a distraction.

I've fallen in love with the Xone:22 overnight, and a Xone would be the only exception to the no second hand rule I kind of have at the moment. I like the idea of having the VFC's on the Xone, the quality and overall I think it would be a dope mixer to hone my craft on.

The Xone:22 has a knob that pans between channel 1 & 2 for Cue so I'm guessing in the middle position you get both channels.

Anyone know an Australian release date for the Xone:22 or the RRP?
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just keep borrowing your mates djm300, spend time getting to know it before deciding on what you want/need out of a mixer
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It'll be at least two months before I'm funded up to get something, the longer the more money I can put in my mixer fund

I'd love to get an A&H, they make me so moist.
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The Xone:22 has a knob that pans between channel 1 & 2 for Cue so I'm guessing in the middle position you get both channels.

Yep - That's how it is on the 92s I've used. I can't deal with it (well, obviously you make do at a club). I just want to be able to cue both at the same time by hitting a button, personally.
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I'm use to using a knob so it'll be good.
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The filters on the Xone would seal the deal for me. Such a handy tool to use for mixing.
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NUO3, jut buy a new one then
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Yep - That's how it is on the 92s I've used. I can't deal with it (well, obviously you make do at a club). I just want to be able to cue both at the same time by hitting a button, personally.

If you press both channel's you want to cue at the same time you can cue 2 channels at once. Took me a while to figure it out (I've got one and have never been a fan of RTFM).
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NUO3, jut buy a new one then

I'm a noob, so could you explain why a Nuo 3 would be a better choice over a Xone:22. Filters are sealing the deal at the moment, along with everything Xone are renowned for.
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A 3rd channel incase you want to expand by getting a 3rd CDJ or a TT to learn vinyl or a sampler. Ecler make good quality mixers as well. I'm a A&H fanboi because I own one but I've played on Eclers and they are cool as well.
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I've used both the A&H & Eclers a lot and deff prefer the Eclers.

Sounds a bit 'warmer'
Love the big eq knobs
Cueing is MUCH better on the ecler
I prefer the faders.
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Looking on StoreDJ the Nuo 3 is ~$1000.

The Xone:22 has a recommended retail price of 266 (+VAT) according to beatportal which converts to only $600. I realise it may be more than this but I doubt it will be anywhere near as expensive as the Nuo.

Still leaning towards A&H since it has VCF's.
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Yeah, I do find the EQs on the A&H a little 'precise' if that makes sense (I know it doesn't)... not quite as warm as I like. Filters are nice though.
If they really are $600, that's a steal!
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anything with a non contact fader will be fine second hand. anything else will be not. my opinion
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stay away from 2nd hand djm600. The pots crackle after a while.

I have the xone 62 for about 3 years now and its great.... absolutrly nothing gone wrong with it. Only gripe is the low pot takes out some of the mids aswell when turned down fully. But you can get over it by using the vcf.

Something very warm about a pure analog feed. vinyl into an A&H = aural sex
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I'm pretty set on a Xone:22 depending on how much it'll cost me, or possibly a second hand Xone. It'd probably be a bit of overkill getting any other Xone mixer than the 22 for my first mixer.
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just get any shitty mixer for starters. its not a bad thing to mix on crap when you are learning.

then upgrade when u have outgrown it, and know what u want in a mixer
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Originally Posted by louislogic

anything with a non contact fader will be fine second hand. anything else will be not. my opinion

you also have pots to worry about.


besides, I've seen many a DJ destory channel faders and not touch the X-fader.
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I don't use the crossfader anyway, yet.
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Dude, found this while searching for a replacement crossfader for my Xone92.

Apparently the RRP for the Xone22 will be $799 in Australia so that will more than likely be it's entry price. It will drop after hype dies and it's established into their line.

Source: http://www.tag.com.au/component/opti...roduct/id,921/
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first street price will be 20% off that then eventually 50% judging on past products.
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Yeah eventually being an important and possibly redundant addition to that sentence given the mentality of Gen-Y. I think most places will have it at the RPP with maybe 10% movement when it's first launched then follow the pricing scale of the higher Xones. The 92 rrp is $3500 according to that website (which I think is the A&H importer)
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Cheers LittleBrains.

If I can pick up one for around $650-$700 in Aus I'll be quite happy, now to start saving!

You don't know when it's being released do you?
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A Nuo3.0 would be a great choice mate.

If you were willing to spend a little bit more then a Xone:42 (~$1200) would also be a good choice.

If you can hang on to your mate's DJM-300 for a while and save up more $$$ then I would actually suggest you do that. Although you could get an upper range 2 channel mixer such as the Xone:22 (which looks great) you don't want to realise 6 months later you'd like another channel and have to upgrade again.

I'd say hang on to your mate's DJM-300 as long as you possible, get as much mixing practice as you can and by then you'll have a better idea of what mixer is really going to suit your needs.

But yes, anything Ecler is a great all round choice.
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Man. Great question. Can of worms. Two of one, half a dozen of another.

I gotta weigh-in.

My $0.02 cents.

Allen and Heath only make mixers. They also make the best mixers on earth. Users complain about their egronomics, but it is all about what you are used to. If you are just startin' out, you aren't used to particular manufacturer's usual design.

Have not seen or heard first-hand anything specific to the Xone: 22. It comes with a great deal of critical acclaim. It also come with a lot of hate mongering.

There are two kinds of DJ's:

1. Pioneer lovers (i.e. most of Australia)
2. Pioneer haters

With no disrespect to Pioneer, their operating budget is fucking HUGE. THEY MAKE A LOT OF SHIT. Thus, they spend a shit-load on marketing.

Industry standard? Yes. Best quality of mxers on the planet: likely NO.

However, price points, and economies of scale, make Pioneer more lucractive and attractive to potential buyers here in Australia.

Obviously I'm fucking biased. I came from a school where it was "A&H" or it wasn't shit! That said, I also came from a school where, the more ghetto mixer you honed your skills on, the more refined they will become. If you learn on an old-school Gemini 2 channel analogoue, and then step-up to an Xone: 92, you'll have a fucking orgasm, and be blown away by the difference in quality.

My conclusion:

Fuck, I'm biased. Wait for the Xone: 22. It looks and seems like a 92 minus the price tag and the channels most DJ's will never utilise.

Alternatively, Pioneer 400, 600, 800, can't go wrong.

Warranty is an understandable concern. Myself, I am weary of used mixers, and I just got fucked over by breaking my own code.

In short, you are just starting out. Go with your budget. You will never regret buying better gear than you need and not having to upgrade. You will start to notice when your skills transcend the quality of your mixer.

Too bad A&E has discontinued the Xone 32. Without qualification, that would be my recommendation here.

Good luck and enjoy.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by samwiseb

Hurro DJ's.


Should I get a Pioneer so that I'm comfortable with their mixers if I ever one day get a gig, huge emphasis on if.

Dude, no worries, if you want a gig, you'll get one. Regrettably, shit has less to do with skills and more to do with PR/Marketing. The DJ market is certainly oversaturated. The like of Pioneer and JB Hi Fi are the biggest conrtibuters! Not hatin' though, just sayin'. Everything that had 'authenticity' is increasingly commercialised these days. Just like Surfing, Wakeboarding, Skateboarding etc.

Once you understand how to mix, and what buttons mean and do, rocking up to one mixer from another is gravy, and if its not, it's just part of 'goin' with it' and comes with the territory of DJing! While you are always going to be your own worst critic, 99% of the people aren't gonna notice certain technical mis-haps....think of it like an avid golfer's golf swing!

Longwinded again. My bad. In short: GO ALLEN AND HEATH. IF NOT, GO PIONEER - THEY ARE QUALITY AS FUCK, AND INDUSTRY STANDARD IN AUSTRALIA. If your budget precludes these, don't lose sleep - rockin' up 'live on the fly' is what lends to the authenticity.

P.S. - If you can, grab some turntables and used records and learn that way. Nothin' beats bangin' vinyly beats.

Again, good luck.
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Quote:

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I'm really iffy about getting a second hand mixer. Since I want something that's going to last me many years down the track I'm thinking and would prefer to buy something new.

Also, I don't think I really want to get the KM-202 much anymore. The metering looks woeful on it. I really want a Xone:22. Somebody convince me what to do

Verdict ain't out on the 22, but word....shit will sound the best by far. Same components and manufacturing as all the rest.
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Quote:

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I'm pretty set on a Xone:22 depending on how much it'll cost me, or possibly a second hand Xone. It'd probably be a bit of overkill getting any other Xone mixer than the 22 for my first mixer.

Dude, how much are you willing to spend? I'll sell you my Xone: 92 for $1300. I'm on the Gold Coast. I just bought it second-hand myself, but so far no issues. Give me a solid week to play it and report back, but yeah, I'm game to sell for around that price if you're game to buy. I'd rather downgrade and pick-up other studio gear. Something to think about (unless I'm a retard and you've already bought your shit and made your way to Festival Status haha).

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Dude, found this while searching for a replacement crossfader for my Xone92.

Apparently the RRP for the Xone22 will be $799 in Australia so that will more than likely be it's entry price. It will drop after hype dies and it's established into their line.

Source: http://www.tag.com.au/component/opti...roduct/id,921/


True that. What he said ^^^^ about the hype etc.

I can't believe how much shit costs over on this side of the pond. I feel even worse for the kids from NZ.

Anyway, any of you know of the Oz release date for the Xone: 22???
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What's the A&H build quality like these days now they are made in china?

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^^^^?????

true story re: china manufacturing now?
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I bought a Xone 42 the other day and its says....Made in the UK by Allen & Heath Limited, i have heard though that some of they're mixers are being made in china.
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I am buynig my first decks soon and along with my CDJ400s I am thinking of getting something like a Numark DXM 06 ( 2 channel) mixer?

Or maybe a Vestax VMC002 XL ( 2 channel mixer) ?

Any thoughts or advice from people would be swell
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^^^^?????

true story re: china manufacturing now?

Flagship mixers are still made in UK such as Xone92's 4D etc.

And seth said his 42 is made in UK so I'm not sure how many and what of the range they are making in China?
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They could be referring to they're studio mixers??
Edit - Just found this - http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/manufacturing.asp

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