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Couple of my demos are planned, couple are just record and see where it goes...I think the record and see where it goes approach is less stressful, and can lead to a better mix session, I do think if you cant do that at home and subconsionsly know what will sound good then how can you do it in a club? I prefer to listen to my planned mix's though, as I know the tracks work perfectly from trail and error, trial and error, then a bit more trial and error...pick 20 - 30 tracks you LOVE, not the latest tracks you own, assemble them in an order (key, flow etc) then put them together. takes a while to get percfect if your doing it with CD's but its worth it in the end.

Bit of self promo here....but here are three of my mix's recently...1 is done completely in ableton, arranged, looped, etc etc, took me about 2 months to be happy with, not saying its perfect but after 2 months I got to the point of 'that will do'...the other 2 are CD mix's with not much planning...
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For the record, I've been playing for close to 10 years, I've played main room warm up or closing sets for Steve Lawler, Nick Warren, Ali B, BLIM, Freq Nasty, Krafty Kuts and more...chump!

That is terribly impressive. Well done with that.
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As a former promoter and DJ I was never interested in rehearsed mixes. They never counted for much in my book.
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its kind of silly that people think using Ableton for a demo is shite when others re record a mix 20 times over to get it right, seems similar to me. Id rather save myself some time and sanity, learn something new and get a really smick sounding demo. At the end of the day no one gives a shit.
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well you seem to give a shit if you feel the need to justify your methods in that way
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not really. i use both so im not that bothered. just love winding people up about it.
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Wow some of you take this shit way too seriously. Isnt it about have fucking fun? How many of you can actually say you earn a living of this and it's you primary source of income?
I doubt many... Yet so many of you talk about it like it's a job. The day i start doing that is the day i find a new hobby. Whats the point? Why so serious? What to the fun? What hapened to the techno? What happened to the underground? What happened to the music? What happened to light the fuck up?!?!
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hehe, true that. still its fun winding people up who take it wayyyyyyy to seriously.
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Just only slightly on topic....I remember that when I started DJing Digitally in 2003 every punter and DJ alike called me a silly c#unt, especially when I used Traktor 1.10 to control the original release of final scratch. I reckon I was the only guy who had it in Melbourne and played out with it (but I'm prepared to be corrected on that). It was an unreliable piece of shit at times, but I played some great stuff on it with persistence and additional controllers.

Stanton gave me a free upgrade to Final Scratch 2 after hearing about it crashing on me during a gig. FS2 never failed me. I loved that box. Why on earth did I sell it? Oh well....
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I had some major dramas with FS2, it was a pig to plug in aswell but i spose considering its age it was pretty decent.
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i think clearly, people have different opinions on what exactly a 'demo' disc means to them, and so it changes how they approach it.


if you are talking demo disc to shop around for gigs, then i understand why youd just record and do a first run mix to show your true worth (although, as stated with Ableton et al. youd wanna make it clear thats what your doing).

But, if your producing a demo as a signature of your sound, i would definitely take time with it. I used to love producing mix CDs as a format to try to distill everything i loved about dance music, with a little more care and freedom than you are obviously afforded in a club.

of course, another point of view is that if you really want to promote yourself heavily, you have to keep your mix rate up ruul high. unashamably i really think its consistency over unique quality. so then you are back to the record and go routine.
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Id like to see the percentages of actual mixed vs ableton mixes, especially among the pro's. Id say almost all of them would be done on ableton or similar.

They can still prove it in the club, do they label it as an ableton or studio mix...? sometimes

If it gets you in the club, and you can play and do a good job. We'll thats all you need.
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I had some major dramas with FS2, it was a pig to plug in aswell but i spose considering its age it was pretty decent.

In the end I pretty much gave up on the vinyl interface and used it as a stand alone sound card. It was a bloody good card though.
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I sent mine home, your right it is good and wasnt worth selling for nix so it awaits my return. Im building a nice collection of soundcards!
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Give me one of your cards then. As you may have read in my "recommend me a setup" thread, I'm gearless and I'm looking to get back in it.
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haha, im in London and its in Perth. Im going down to buy Traktor Duo right now. looks the bizz. No more burning !!!
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im living in wollongong atm and ive had a few chats with clubs here and they requested mix tapes....
one problem i see with the fuckers is you could do a great mix but if the club event manager or owner doesnt like the genre or genres of music you played through the mix then your skills dont matter... i always try and make a mix that suits the club and i always let the person know it is a display of my skills and im not locked to that genre of music...

those are my thoughts but they may be wrong as i still havent got a gig since moving to the gong but the local lightsounds crew have me im on call... in a small city like wollongong i think its not what you know but who you know....
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im living in wollongong atm and ive had a few chats with clubs here and they requested mix tapes....
one problem i see with the fuckers is you could do a great mix but if the club event manager or owner doesnt like the genre or genres of music you played through the mix then your skills dont matter... i always try and make a mix that suits the club and i always let the person know it is a display of my skills and im not locked to that genre of music...

those are my thoughts but they may be wrong as i still havent got a gig since moving to the gong but the local lightsounds crew have me im on call... in a small city like wollongong i think its not what you know but who you know....

Im from the gong too mate, have had the same experiences as you. Gong is definatly about who u know.
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Id like to see the percentages of actual mixed vs ableton mixes, especially among the pro's. Id say almost all of them would be done on ableton or similar.

They can still prove it in the club, do they label it as an ableton or studio mix...? sometimes

If it gets you in the club, and you can play and do a good job. We'll thats all you need.

justify it to yourself however you want, at the end of the day you're giving a potential employer a cd and saying "this is me djing", when it's actually you clicking a mouse button.

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justify it to yourself however you want, at the end of the day you're giving a potential employer a cd and saying "this is me djing", when it's actually you clicking a mouse button.

if your a decent DJ trying to get gigs its more about the tracks you play, if you cant mix then shouldnt be trying to play in a club to start with

unless you're one of those tossers with an overinflated opinion of yourself
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On that note, I'm still waiting to hear about this gig!

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Mix.... I will just do it on the fly and play what im feeling

Demo..I will craft it a bit more make sure it's just right not only in the way it mixed and sounds but make sure it's right for theclub/promoter Im giving it too

But it's true if you cant mix like a demon at home for a hour you got no biz in a club
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why don't you just hit record every time you get on the decks. after a while you'll forget about it etc and be able to relax etc
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The gong is aaall about who you know. Full of cheese and ordinary mixing!
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total rubbish

a demo mix is different to what a dj should / would play in a club, it gives you the chance to be a lot more electic with track selection etc.

plus you can get away with the odd slip up in a club, whereas a demo should be tight

i agree with macc
should be an accurate representation of what you can do in the club


2 months working on the same demo?

this is why there are so many shit ****s playing in clubs and why seanious up there is so frustrated
worry about skills and recording will come later

a few months putting together a mix tape ala dephys mixed goods or something is different though.
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i agree with macc
should be an accurate representation of what you can do in the club


2 months working on the same demo?

this is why there are so many shit ****s playing in clubs and why seanious up there is so frustrated
worry about skills and recording will come later

a few months putting together a mix tape ala dephys mixed goods or something is different though.

if people put more effort in their demos maybe there'd be less shit djs in clubs, ie more time taken improves skills / track selection etc
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if people put more effort in their demos maybe there'd be less shit djs in clubs, ie more time taken improves skills / track selection etc

Thats what twisted is saying. If you spend more time working on your skills then fiddling with a demo your going to get better.

If you are already at a level that your happy with tweak away for months on end.
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why don't you just hit record every time you get on the decks. after a while you'll forget about it etc and be able to relax etc

Good call. I used to do that heaps. I've got hours of random mixes of mine from 1996 onwards. They're fun to listen to down the track...
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if people put more effort in their skills / track selection maybe there'd be less shit djs in clubs

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the dude who started this thread shouldn't be frustrated about not being able to record a decent mix
that should eventually just be second nature
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Good call. I used to do that heaps. I've got hours of random mixes of mine from 1996 onwards. They're fun to listen to down the track...

I've got some from when I first started DJing that are fun to listen to now. gives you an idea of how far you've come.
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I've got some from when I first started DJing that are fun to listen to now. gives you an idea of how far you've come.

I've got lots of cringeworthy demos from 1996-97. I hope that everyone who I gave them to destroyed them.
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Id like to see the percentages of actual mixed vs ableton mixes, especially among the pro's. Id say almost all of them would be done on ableton or similar.


That's why i dont buy them anymore.

The last one i spent cash on was Robert Hood's Fabrik mix because i knew it would be a one take warts and all mix.
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What it boils down to:

If your going to do your mix in ableton, take ableton to the club...

Or F*CK off with that pre-mixed sh*t...

Seriously, if your going to use ableton to make a demo, but usually mix on decks you might as well just suck the promoters/owners C*ck, it will get you where you want faster.
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What it boils down to:

If your going to do your mix in ableton, take ableton to the club...

Or F*CK off with that pre-mixed sh*t...

Seriously, if your going to use ableton to make a demo, but usually mix on decks you might as well just suck the promoters/owners C*ck, it will get you where you want faster.

I reckon it boils down to this....

Give the promoter a fair idea of what you're going to sound like on the night.
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End of the day, a good mix is all about transitions, flow, selection, programming and blending/EQ'ing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than it is about beat matching...it's the first parts most of us tweak and fuck round with to get right, not the mixing/matching...the only people that even notice a minor slipping mix, are the other DJs...general punters don't notice squat unless you totally wreck it!

Ableton, or some other program, is used for most commerical mix CDs as those dudes making those CDs don't have as much time on their hands as you or I to be able to mix up the 75min set, then listen, adjust, re-mix, re-listen over and over...unless your name is James Zabiela...they focus on the programming and selection and as we know, most people releasing a commercial mix, can mix...it's not about proving how good you are or securing gigs, it's about efficiently releasing a CD in a timely manor. Ableton allows you to just go straight to "how do these sound together?" Good, next one...bad, try others, without all the actual beat matching, getting the drop point, recording that mix, listen to it from a non ears in headphones DJing perspective etc etc.

If someone is using Ableton well, and perhaps using their own tracks, re-editing, looping, creating new shit like you should be doing with it...then all good...if it's being used to just whack out a mix coz you're too bored/lazy to stand there hands on making the mix, then fuck right off and die!
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End of the day, a good mix is all about transitions, flow, selection, programming and blending/EQ'ing WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than it is about beat matching...it's the first parts most of us tweak and fuck round with to get right, not the mixing/matching...the only people that even notice a minor slipping mix, are the other DJs...general punters don't notice squat unless you totally wreck it!

Ableton, or some other program, is used for most commerical mix CDs as those dudes making those CDs don't have as much time on their hands as you or I to be able to mix up the 75min set, then listen, adjust, re-mix, re-listen over and over...unless your name is James Zabiela...they focus on the programming and selection and as we know, most people releasing a commercial mix, can mix...it's not about proving how good you are or securing gigs, it's about efficiently releasing a CD in a timely manor. Ableton allows you to just go straight to "how do these sound together?" Good, next one...bad, try others, without all the actual beat matching, getting the drop point, recording that mix, listen to it from a non ears in headphones DJing perspective etc etc.

If someone is using Ableton well, and perhaps using their own tracks, re-editing, looping, creating new shit like you should be doing with it...then all good...if it's being used to just whack out a mix coz you're too bored/lazy to stand there hands on making the mix, then fuck right off and die!

My biggest problem wiht ableton users is the lack of jesus poses and fist pumping.

i think we have ticked all the right boxes in this thread now
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for what? a shit mix and a whole heap of wankery. go plan your next one now, I hear beatport is having a top 10 sale!!
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for what? a shit mix and a whole heap of wankery. go plan your next one now, I hear beatport is having a top 10 sale!!

Someone might require ointment for that burn....
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I don't think a demo mix can ever be an accurate reflection of what you would do in a club for various reasons.

The first being that you have a crowd to interact with at a club/gig/party. This has a massive impact on your track selection to say the least. Whilst you can plan every track on a demo mix, a club mix is going to be determined by what ever tracks you have on hand and what the crowd is reacting to.

Another factor is the matter of sound quality and accuracy of mixes. At home you have pristine undisturbed sound you have complete control over. In a club/gig you have no freqn idea what to expect sometimes. This tends to mean mistakes are going to be more readily made on a club system ... but aren't going to be noticed either for the most part.

you can literally feel the "vibe" on a "live" mix ... demo mixes can try and emulate this but will seldom match it
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you can literally feel the "vibe" on a "live" mix ... demo mixes can try and emulate this but will seldom match it


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for what? a shit mix and a whole heap of wankery. go plan your next one now, I hear beatport is having a top 10 sale!!

Yikes! Is that really necessary?!
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Yikes! Is that really necessary?!

Saying that, I haven't heard the mix!
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