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To me, I think the term 'technically brilliant' is a term that is chucked around about DJ's when they play boring shit music, but they mix it all together well...to me that is not brilliant at all, its boring...you are mssing 99% of being a good DJ, the fundamental aspect of playing good music...


That's bollocks man..."good music" is entirely subjective...I think Craig Richards is a "technically brilliant" DJ because he mixes/EQs/blends on point everytime I've heard him, but he plays oodles of whacked out, fucked up, obscure and inaccessable music which 98% of the polulation of the world would class as awful...and at the same time, Sasha is "technically brilliant" with his DJing and doesn't play whacked out/fucked up shit.

I can't stand RnB, but that doesn't stop an RnB DJ from being "technically brilliant", and I can't say he's not playing "good music" as it's nothing more than my own personally tastes dictating that I, personally, do not like it...yet there's fucking thousands and thousands of people that do.
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Technically, it's the default definition for dj's that don't evoke emotion.
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So technically ability is just being a good DJ?

Not just good - Brilliant... Everything is absolutely perfect

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That's bollocks man..."good music" is entirely subjective...I think Craig Richards is a "technically brilliant" DJ because he mixes/EQs/blends on point everytime I've heard him, but he plays oodles of whacked out, fucked up, obscure and inaccessable music which 98% of the polulation of the world would class as awful...and at the same time, Sasha is "technically brilliant" with his DJing and doesn't play whacked out/fucked up shit.

I can't stand RnB, but that doesn't stop an RnB DJ from being "technically brilliant", and I can't say he's not playing "good music" as it's nothing more than my own personally tastes dictating that I, personally, do not like it...yet there's fucking thousands and thousands of people that do.

There is boring, shit music in every genre...I wasn't talking about, say, a trance DJ playing music that I dont like...I was talking about someone who doesn't engage the crowd with good music from their selected style.

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technical ability you say?

Something like this yea?

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There is boring, shit music in every genre...I wasn't talking about, say, a trance DJ playing music that I dont like...I was talking about someone who doesn't engage the crowd with good music from their selected style.

Well you weren't very clear, your post makes it sound like you think you can ONLY be a "technically brilliant" DJ if you're playing sub-par music.
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Well you weren't very clear, your post makes it sound like you think you can ONLY be a "technically brilliant" DJ if you're playing sub-par music.

what I was implying was 'technically brilliant' seems to be a term used by chin strokers who go watch a DJ, the DJ plays music they weren't expecting, or played a boring set, so they say 'technically he was brilliant, but the music was a bit flat'

Now to me...being 'technically brilliant' isn't worth shit in that sentence...he was shit, full stop, his job was to entertain a crowd with their music, not show how well they can mix some tracks together...

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OK, on same page now, and agree...track selection is paramount to that kind of "techincal brilliance"
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^^ in that sentence, to me, it would mean he didn't trainwreck and whoever is reviewing didn't get into it.
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Yeah I guess thats right. He was a good DJ, but didn;t get in to it.

But then is he really a good DJ if people weren't getting in to it?

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Well you'd need a video of the night to see what the crowd thought of it imo , i'm sure no one expects a dj to please everyone, but certainly please the majority/keep the dance-floor busy.

edit: and i personally expect them not to trainwreck either!
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Yeah I guess thats right. He was a good DJ, but didn;t get in to it.

But then is he really a good DJ if people weren't getting in to it?

No, he's a technically good dj.

Not a good DJ
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But then is he really a good DJ if people weren't getting in to it?

the important question isn't whether he was really a good dj if people weren't getting into it buddy; the important question is what's the sound of one hand clapping.

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The music that I push in my opinion is probably a bit too mature for someone who listens to "Trance" but hey, we all have to start somewhere?

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So technical ability is:

1) Can beatmatch
2) Mixes predominatly in the right key
3) Has a good flow

So be be technically good...you just have to do what is expected from the DJ anyway...

We seem to be setting our standards a little low.

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So technical ability is:

1) Can beatmatch
2) Mixes predominatly in the right key
3) Has a good flow

So be be technically good...you just have to do what is expected from the DJ anyway...

We seem to be setting our standards a little low.

not low, that's just being realistic

you can have the technical's down pat but not be ground breaking.

I can drive pretty well, so you could say i'm "technically" a good driver. However, i'm not at F1 standard
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So technical ability is:

1) Can beatmatch
2) Mixes predominatly in the right key
3) Has a good flow


flow > key
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Now I am confused...you said before that you used the sync feature in Traktor...

So what else do you do with your 4 bar loop after the computer syncs it for you?

To me...bringing a 4 bar loop in to a track is doing nothing...its bringing something in just to say you are bringing something in, it doesn't add anything to a track, it just gives a false sense of 'skill' to what is essentially a skill that has been made incredibly easy.

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So technical ability is:

1) Can beatmatch
2) Mixes predominatly in the right key
3) Has a good flow

So be be technically good...you just have to do what is expected from the DJ anyway...

We seem to be setting our standards a little low.

You are also looking at this from a housefag pov though

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Seriously confused with this...its a term that is thrown around left right and centre about DJ's.

Now my question is what does 'technical ability' actually mean? It seems nobody can really define it.

Any DJ can get a handful of tracks, assemble them in an order that generates a bit of a flow, get the beats matched, and get the tracks close to the same key. This to me is not being 'amazing technically' it is just being a DJ, it is what the fundamental skill of a DJ is, to play good tracks seamlessly back to back...what else is there aside from that, that makes a DJ 'technically brilliant'.

Someone please try and define it...I'm lost here...

Have a different take on this. Believe the term was first thrown around in a semi-humorous manner in order to differentiate even half-decent djs from the likes of Ruby Rose, Helena et al.

For example -
Muzza 1 - "how was Dubfire at FMF?"
Muzza 2 - "fully sick hey bro, like fully good technical and shit"
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^ So its a term that is used to differentiate between the 'insta Pioneer my first set up' DJ's and the guys that have been around for a long while, and show skill in track selection and flow...

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far out i am so over these arguments and debates on djing.
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far out i am so over these arguments and debates on djing.

technically, triggering loops on a computer is not djing
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far out i am so over these arguments and debates on djing.

I am so over you presuming that any discussion is an argument or a debate. Why are you so defensive about your median of how you play other peoples music? I am not attacking anyone, I am not saying what I think is better and what you think is wrong...I am simply discussing the term 'technically brilliant' because you seem to use it a lot, along with many other 'chin strokers'.

And hey...its a bit more interesting than reading "What sort of mixer should I get?" "SEARCH NOOB!!!" "LOL flame...noob...HD25's...no wait DJM800 and 2 CDJ400's are best" style threads.

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dude, everyone knows that you aren't a fully sick dj if you don't have cdj 2000s.

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dude, everyone knows that you aren't a fully sick dj if you don't have cdj 2000s.

I have a mixture of different cdj's to ensure I spread myself over the whole cool spectrum.

Plus I have 1200's....thats pretty cool.

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lol trent i wasnt even in the argument

it just feels like everyone in this thread are taking one or the other (or both in some cases) side to an argument and its just repeating itself.
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Plus I have 1200's....thats pretty cool.

are they those things that play those really massive cds that don't have a cue button OR a loop button OR a fast forward?

pfft. nothing without at least twelve buttons and LCD lights could possibly be cool.

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technically, triggering loops on a computer is not djing

Technically, grandstanding the same falsehoods doesn't make the bullshit smell any sweeter. I would say, technically you lack the ability to understand the technology.

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no falsehoods, and no disrespect, some do it well. Using the term 'technically' as a prefix to suggestion is what I was getting at.
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I stand by my original answer though: Deetron on 3 decks = technically brilliant.

He was boring as batshit, but I stayed the entire set hoping it would improve. Dude can beatmatch like it's nobody's business, but he played every mix the same (drop the bass on both tracks, thump it back in on new one).
His three deck was boring, Burridge's was good.
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Can someone link us to any reviews etc where this term is used?

I really haven't come across much if at all, but from this thread it seems it's thrown around like a brides garter at a wedding.
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He was boring as batshit, but I stayed the entire set hoping it would improve. Dude can beatmatch like it's nobody's business, but he played every mix the same (drop the bass on both tracks, thump it back in on new one).
His three deck was boring, Burridge's was good.

When was this? Last two times I saw him he was fucking mad, I think I missed his last show though. (the last time I saw him, honkytonks was still honkytonks, which would make it 2006... fuck getting old) Yeah so anyway, he rocked it honkys was going ape shit.

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hmm well unless he got shit in a couple of years I could only guess that playing to an empty room, he was going through the motions somewhat? or that there was an awful lot of shit techno about in 2008 (which there was).

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okay this phrase has been thrown out by djs looooonnnnnngggggg before traktor and cdjs.

so it is essentially refeering to someone who can beatmatch well and someone who mixes well.

thats it,mystery solved.

like i said its been around before digital djing came along so its in no way a reference to using traktor or ableton.

if people want to say thats what it means to them well thats fine but to anyone whos been around before digital djing it means what i stated above
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^ exactly....

it means you can mix without fucking up, pretty much at all...maybe a slight clip every so often
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and believe it or not, A LOT of people can not do that...
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This is one of the strangest threads I've ever read... good to know some people's (the majority, it seems) opinion on things.

Isn't having good technical skills being able to do some really good shit with your hands regardless of what style tunage you are playing or whatever...

Like freakish crabbing and juggling like q-bert... like going nuts on 3 decks cutting and eqing so fast you can't see his hands like mills... like throwing a track on the 3rd deck while he's got 2 already mixing, slamming it in for all to hear without cueing it at all and matching it pefect in 3 beats time like coxy.

What does that have to do with bland music, not making mistakes, being good at the basics, etc...?

Maybe I'm way off, but what would you call the example of technical skills mentioned above...?




EDIT: I suppose just general technical ability, or having it, is just describes the basics of what you are doing with your hands. I dunno now...? Freaking thread is so wack I'm now confusing myself.

EDIT 2: Nah, I was right the first time... it's precision at what you are doing with your hands, even at a basic level.

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Technical

1. belonging or pertaining to an art, science, or the like: technical skill.
2. peculiar to or characteristic of a particular art, science, profession, trade, etc.: technical details.
3. using terminology or treating subject matter in a manner peculiar to a particular field, as a writer or a book: a technical report.
4. skilled in or familiar in a practical way with a particular art, trade, etc., as a person.
5. of, pertaining to, or showing technique.
6. technically demanding or difficult: a technical violin sonata; a technical ski run.
7. designed or used for technically demanding sports or other activities: technical apparel.
8. pertaining to or connected with the mechanical or industrial arts and the applied sciences: a technical school.
9. so considered from a point of view in accordance with a stringent interpretation of the rules: a military engagement ending in a technical defeat.
10. concerned with or dwelling on technicalities: You're getting too technical for me.
11. noting a market in which prices are determined largely by supply and demand and other such internal factors rather than by general business, economic, or psychological factors that influence market activity: technical weakness or strength.

Ability

1. power or capacity to do or act physically, mentally, legally, morally, financially, etc.
2. competence in an activity or occupation because of one's skill, training, or other qualification: the ability to sing well.
3. abilities, talents; special skills or aptitudes: Composing music is beyond his abilities.




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I concur (despite adding to it), but Mayday is Sunday for moi.

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May is a machine, but I've also heard him fuck things up a fair bit, too...but you get that with that style of "no pre-cueing" mixing, just throwing things together.

DAVE The Drummer is probably the best across 3 decks I've seen live...I have seen Jeff Mills once before, but I skull was caving on some nasty acid and I couldn't stay in the room more than 5 mins at a time so really have no idea how good he was!

Oh, Mateo and Matos were fucking brilliant, too...wasn't sure which one was which, but one of them get 4 channels going at once when I saw them, pretty sure from watching as I was right up the front, it was 2 tracks, a locked groove and an acapella...sounded fucking beautiful, too
Pete Gordon - Deep and Low

Slower tempo but still with balls, deephouse, slow-mo, futurehouse, nudeep, indie, nudisco, hints of progressive, whatever the fuck you want to call it, just good shit! Get on it

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i see your dave the drummer, and raise you a dj friction and an andy c.

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The music that I push in my opinion is probably a bit too mature for someone who listens to "Trance" but hey, we all have to start somewhere?

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Never seen them, so no clue...but DAVE was pretty manic, constantly in the mix the whole set, 3 tracks going and he's got his back to the decks sniffing through his record box not even worried about slippage
Pete Gordon - Deep and Low

Slower tempo but still with balls, deephouse, slow-mo, futurehouse, nudeep, indie, nudisco, hints of progressive, whatever the fuck you want to call it, just good shit! Get on it

https://soundcloud.com/random_kiwi/deep-and-low
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friction plays dnb off three turntables.

he drops his first tune.
he drops his second tune.
from this point onwards, there are at least two tunes on the mix, for the rest of the set.

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